From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #274 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, July 14 2003 Volume 06 : Number 274 In this issue: Editor (One crusade at a time, please) ALBERTA PRIVACY BOSS COMPARES FEDS' PLAN TO GUN-REGISTRY FIASCO Editor: Low-calibre bureaucrats SHOT BOY, 5, IN COMA 3 TEENS ARRESTED IN AIR PISTOL DRIVE-BY Boy, 5, in critical condition after pellet shot into eye following Molson Indy: Re GUN SHOW SUSPECT ENDS STANDOFF BY TURNING GUN ON HIMSELF Column: Don't leave home without registration certificate: Saskatchewan: Mover faces charges Column: Western diversity doesn't come at the end of a bullet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:44:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Editor (One crusade at a time, please) PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2003.07.14 EDITION: Final SECTION: Comment PAGE: 14 ILLUSTRATION: File photo OTTAWA MAYOR Bob Chiarelli give the thumbs-up outside city hall in June 2001. BYLINE: OTTAWA SUN COLUMN: Letters to the Editor RE "Letters to the Editor," by Al Dorans (July 9): Anti-gun control crusader Al Dorans simply refuses to accede to the will of the vast majority of Canadians and our democratically elected government. Dorans has campaigned relentlessly against gun control and supported the American model which has clearly been rejected by Canadian society. His strategy has evolved from inundating the public with flawed statistics, sloppy thinking and arguments supporting the proliferation of guns, to his final target, the Firearms Act and the gun registry. None of us is happy with the bureaucratic bungling that has taken place. However, the social policy will not change and beneficial programs will not be cancelled. Mr. Dorans' crusade is reminiscent of Custer's last stand. It would be far more beneficial if his attention and efforts were redirected to other pressing social issues. If he can think of any. Paul Blissett Editor (One crusade at a time, please) - ------------------------------------------------------------- Ipsos-Reid Poll: Majority (53%) of Canadians Say Gun Registry Should be Scrapped http://www.ipsos-reid.com/media/dsp_displaypr_cdn.cfm?id_to_view=1692 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:45:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: ALBERTA PRIVACY BOSS COMPARES FEDS' PLAN TO GUN-REGISTRY FIASCO PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2003.07.14 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 3 ILLUSTRATION: photo of FRANK WORK Blasts minister BYLINE: LORI COOLICAN, SPECIAL TO THE EDMONTON SUN - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ID CARD SHUNNED ALBERTA PRIVACY BOSS COMPARES FEDS' PLAN TO GUN-REGISTRY FIASCO - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alberta Privacy Commissioner Frank Work won't be signing up for one of the new national identity cards Immigration Minister Denis Coderre is promising Canadians by 2005. "I'm not going to have one," Work told The Sun yesterday. "So are the police going to knock at my door some night and demand to see my national ID card? "If I don't have it, what's going to happen? I'm going to be what, viewed as a terrorist under the anti-terrorism act, quietly arrested and sent away to some jail without trial?" Work was reacting to comments Coderre made in an exclusive interview with Sun Media last week, after members of a Commons immigration committee returned from a two-week fact-finding mission on national ID cards in Germany, Britain, Greece, Italy and Poland. Coderre champions the creation of a "smart" card with biometric features such as facial recognition, claiming a debate on a national ID system will eventually be imposed on Canadians by international pressure over fears of terrorism and identity theft. Critics have raised fears the cards would lead to a Big Brother-style society in which government agencies and even private companies could gather and access information on all aspects of a person's life, from their financial dealings to their health status. "It's really irresponsible of (Coderre) to toss out such a major, hugely significant initiative like this without any details," Work said. "I mean this is a huge thing and he just tosses it out like we're talking about some little minor initiative, (like) better adhesives on the back of our postage stamps or something. "What is the problem this thing is trying to solve?" With passports and drivers licences becoming more secure, a national card is a waste of taxpayers' money, Work said. "Look at the gun registry. That was just registering gun owners. My God, we're talking about registering 30 million Canadians now. "The potential cost of this is mind-boggling. What is he doing?" Work said he and several others made presentations about the issue to a parliamentary committee travelling the country in February. "What happened to their report?" he asked. "Under what power is the federal government going to do this?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:46:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Editor: Low-calibre bureaucrats PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal DATE: 2003.07.14 EDITION: Final SECTION: Letters PAGE: A13 BYLINE: J.A. Grieve SOURCE: The Edmonton Journal - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Low-calibre bureaucrats - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I find it hilarious when I see our Canadian gun registry idiots want to add their expertise to a global effort to track small arms throughout the world. Their track record proves without a doubt that this grossly overstaffed and overpaid group of incompetents couldn't be trusted to manage a two-car funeral procession. J.A. Grieve, Edmonton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:47:46 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: SHOT BOY, 5, IN COMA 3 TEENS ARRESTED IN AIR PISTOL DRIVE-BY PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2003.07.14 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 3 ILLUSTRATION: photo by Ernest Doroszuk A WOMAN believed to the mother of a 5-year-old boy shot in the eye with an air pistol enters Sick Kids hospital last night. BYLINE: JONATHAN KINGSTONE, TORONTO SUN - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHOT BOY, 5, IN COMA 3 TEENS ARRESTED IN AIR PISTOL DRIVE-BY - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Doctors were last night fighting to save the life of a five-year-old boy who was shot in the face with a high-powered air pistol as he walked with his mom near the lakeshore. The child lost an eye and may have suffered brain damage, Toronto Police said. "I just cannot understand the shooting of a little boy," Staff-Sgt. Ralph Brookes said. "It's beyond comprehension." Police arrested three teens alleged to have driven around in an SUV picking off pedestrians, striking the boy and at least one adult. "They started out shooting objects, like signs, then they began to shoot people," Sgt. Roy Sorgo said. One of the slugs --which police said is comparable in size to a .22 calibre bullet --tore through the boy's right eye and lodged in his brain. His mother was with him at Sick Kids hospital last night as he underwent a battery of tests. "These are life-threatening injuries," Brookes said. Doctors could not save the boy's eye, Sorgo said. He was placed in an induced coma as a team of specialists discussed how to remove the slug from his head, Sorgo said. A delicate operation is expected to be performed this morning. 'JUST HEARD A POP' The boy was shot shortly after 5 p.m. as he walked with his mom near Bathurst St. and Lake Shore Blvd. Police could not confirm a report they were coming home from the Molson Indy. "We just heard a pop and the kid started crying," witness Joe Cassells said. "We looked back and he was pouring blood from the face." Police stopped a gold-coloured Honda SUV several blocks from where the child was hit. Officers found a "series of weapons" in the vehicle that Brookes described as "extremely realistic" replicas of police-issued firearms. A receipt for $454 found by police shows the weapons had been purchased only hours earlier. "They look like our Glock pistols," Brookes said, adding the pistols use CO2 cartridges to fire the pellets under immense pressure. "They look like real guns and they can kill," Sorgo said, adding they're far more powerful than pellet guns. Brookes alleged the three occupants also hit at least one other person in the arm as they "shot at people as they drove through the area." A 17-year-old remains under investigation. Jake Joseph Mercure and Stephen Collins, both 18 and of Toronto, are charged with aggravated assault and weapons offences. They are expected to appear in Old City Hall court this morning. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:48:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Boy, 5, in critical condition after pellet shot into eye following Molson Indy: PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2003.07.14 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A3 BYLINE: Scott Stinson SOURCE: CanWest News Service DATELINE: TORONTO - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Boy, 5, in critical condition after pellet shot into eye following Molson Indy: Child must undergo surgery to remove it from brain - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TORONTO -- A five-year-old boy was in a Toronto hospital last night with a pellet lodged in his brain after an apparent shooting rampage while thousands of people walked waterfront-area streets after the Molson Indy. City police said that the boy, who was not identified, is in critical condition and faces life-threatening surgery after the pellet entered his brain through his eye socket. Another male victim might also require surgery after being shot in the arm, and investigators believe several more people might have been randomly shot by three young men with pellet guns. Police said three suspects are under arrest and two weapons have been recovered. The suspects, reportedly arrested as their car was stuck in traffic, were not identified. "We have some idea as to what has gone on here," said Staff Sgt. Ralph Brookes. "We're pretty sure there were more people who were hurt, so we are issuing an appeal to the public for people to come forward and tell us what they know." The boy and his mother were standing at a bus stop shortly after 5 p.m. when he was struck by a single pellet. His mother was not hurt. Crowds of people were outside in the hours after the Molson Indy CART series automobile race. Witnesses reported blood gushing from the victim's eye, and a nearby ambulance rushed the boy to the Hospital for Sick Children. The second victim, a young man who was not identified, was being treated at Toronto Western Hospital for a wound in his arm. He may require surgery to remove the pellet. Pellet guns, usually powered by compressed carbon dioxide, resemble handguns and rifles but fire metal pellets instead of bullets. They are not considered firearms and as such are not subject to the regulations of the Firearms Act, however, safety advocates have long maintained pellet guns should be classified lethal weapons. But, if a pellet gun is used in the commission of an offence or to cause injury, charges can be laid under the Criminal Code, police said. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:49:08 -0600 (CST) From: "dmwright" Subject: Re GUN SHOW SUMMER GUN SHOW. Sunday July 20th, to be held in Orillia, Ontario. From HWY # 401 take HWY # 400 North then HWY #11 North to the Orillia area, take exit Coldwater Road West, and then North on Fairgrounds Road, turn into the Orillia Fairgrounds and your there. The show will run from 8 a.m. till 1 p.m. For more information please call 906-679-8812 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:49:49 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: SUSPECT ENDS STANDOFF BY TURNING GUN ON HIMSELF PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2003.07.14 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 4 BYLINE: SHANE HOLLADAY AND DAN PALMER, EDMONTON SUN dan.palmer@edm.sunpub.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- NO SURRENDER SUSPECT ENDS STANDOFF BY TURNING GUN ON HIMSELF - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Escaped gang member Daniel Couterielle, one of Edmonton's most-wanted criminals, shot himself during a 30-hour armed stand-off rather than surrender to police yesterday. Cops found the 27-year-old Couterielle dead in the Norwood-area home near 113 Avenue and 93 Street where he had defied police since just before 1 p.m. Saturday. "He is believed to have died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound," said police spokesman Wes Bellmore. He would not say when cops last had contact with Couterielle before they broke into the home. It was one of the longest armed sieges in recent memory for city cops, said Bellmore. Homicide detectives were called in to begin their own investigation after the body was found. "Everything leads us to believe the deceased is Daniel Couterielle," he said. "Some of the people in the house are known to be associated with him." Tactical officers swept into the area armed with shotguns and rifles just before 1 p.m. Saturday, surrounding the home and warning neighbours. Police delivered a cellphone to the gunman around 3 p.m., and cops learned there were four other people in the home with Couterielle. About 4:30 p.m. Saturday, Couterielle pointed a handgun out a second-storey window and fired three shots in the direction of media outside. Cops did not fire a single shot during the standoff, Bellmore said. Tactical officers entered the home after detonating a series of flash-bang devices through the night and all day yesterday. They then lobbed in four tear-gas canisters. During the first volley of gas about 3 p.m. yesterday, a breeze caught the billowing grey clouds and blew them into the faces of gasping news cameramen and about 20 bystanders. Couterielle's aunt Joyce Couterielle, 47, looked on as a second volley of tear gas was fired into the home and held back tears. "I hope they don't shoot him," she said. Joyce had arrived on scene Saturday night to help convince her nephew to turn himself in, but police didn't allow her to speak with him. Yesterday, she returned but was again told she couldn't contact him. From the outset, Joyce insisted the siege would end in tragedy. "I was scared for him after first hearing about it on the news," Joyce told The Sun shortly after arriving at the scene Saturday night. "I don't want him to hurt anybody." Police described Couterielle as a member of the Redd Alert gang. He was jailed for six years after he was convicted for a 1998 home invasion, during which he broke a senior's jaw, and topped cops' most-wanted list in October after violating his statutory release conditions. In June, he walked away from the minimum-security Pe Sakastew facility in Hobbema, 90 km south of Edmonton. A woman a police source identified as Jennifer Simpson, Couterielle's girlfriend, was the last person to leave the home alive at around 1:30 p.m. yesterday. Police stressed the 23-year-old woman had not been charged with any offence last night. "She walked out under her own steam, apparently unimpeded," Bellmore said. Cops cornered Couterielle in the home around 12:30 Saturday while executing what police communications Sgt. Pat Morphy called a drug warrant. One of the people who fled the house Saturday before the standoff began said she was shocked to hear Couterielle had turned the gun on himself. "That's kind of sad," said Michele, 27, who did not want her family name used. "I figured he would just do his time." Michele fled the home shortly before the siege began. She told The Sun she was inside to visit friends. Neighbours said the house had been occupied for only the last week or so. Steve Dandy, 32, who lives across the street from the home, said he believed it was a haven for prostitution and drugs. "This wouldn't have happened if that house had been torn down," Dandy said. "It's been condemned a few times, and they never did anything about it." Neighbours were afraid of the occupants of the home where the standoff took place, Dandy said. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:52:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Column: Don't leave home without registration certificate: PUBLICATION: The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) DATE: 2003.07.14 EDITION: Final SECTION: Sports PAGE: B8 COLUMN: Outdoors BYLINE: Lloyd Litwin SOURCE: The StarPhoenix - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't leave home without registration certificate: Wherever firearm goes, registration papers must go too; that is now law of the land - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well it's July and the Firearms Act is in full effect. No more extensions or deadlines. All we have to do now is watch for changes brought about by orders in council. Knowing all the rules is no small feat. I want to bring to your attention a rule which affects all us gun owners. (I would have bet there was no such rule as this, but I was wrong. A recent incident got me making some calls to get to the bottom of it all.) A friend who is on the Canadian shooting team recently went to the U.S. for a competition. Getting in required a permit from the U.S., which he had. He was greeted by U.S. officials, and upon presentation of the permit, they smiled and waved and said have a good time. Coming home was a different story. Our customs officials demanded to see his registration certificate. Otherwise, they said, they would hold the gun. The U.S. import permit has the registration number on it, and my friend had a green slip from Canadian customs saying he took the gun out of the country. None of that was acceptable. Customs officers demanded the registration slip. Fortunately he was able to call his wife and she faxed a copy to the border crossing. When he got home he made several calls to the firearms registration processing centre in Miramichi, where he got two different answers. I, however, got the same answer from the two federal firearms officers I called. So the score is 3-1 on this answer. According to Fred Thornton -- and the other officer I contacted in Edmonton - -- the registration certificate MUST ACCOMPANY the firearm at ALL times. Liken it to your driver's licence and car registration. It must be presented when asked for by an officer of the law. On trips to the gun range, when you're going duck hunting or deer hunting, or when you take in your gun to get it repaired, the registration must accompany the gun. The feds certainly haven't conveyed that clearly to the public. Thornton said all his training and information stipulated that the word possession meant 'with the gun.' If you want to split hairs I guess a lawyer might be able to argue that possession at home might be sufficient, but if you are stopped with a gun they are going to want to see the registration certificate. A lawyer friend said it will surely be challenged and provide work and fees for some lawyers. I asked if a Xerox of the registration was OK. "Do you think the officer would accept a Xerox of a drivers licence or registration?" I was told. Thornton recommends getting the registration laminated so it is ready to go and won't get damaged. Also, keep the permits in a separate location at home so a theft situation doesn't result in a lost certificate as well. I guess that means you can't take all the permits with you when travelling, because then the permits for the guns still at home wouldn't be with the guns. It seems logical that the next legislation will be a transfer permit for all guns. That's what us gun owners are expecting. Slowly but surely the Liberal machine is squeezing us out of the recreational shooting and hunting pastimes we enjoy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:52:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Saskatchewan: Mover faces charges PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2003.07.14 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A3 COLUMN: In Brief SOURCE: Vancouver Sun DATELINE: WALKER, Minn. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saskatchewan: Mover faces charges - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WALKER, Minn. -- A long-haul mover from Minnesota is back home after spending five days in Canadian jails because Canada Customs officials found a large arsenal of weapons among the household goods he was transporting for a man moving from Delaware to Alaska. Mark Eller, 36, of Walker, specializes in transporting household goods from the lower 48 states to Alaska. At Canada Customs at North Portal, Sask., on June 29 he told Customs inspectors twice he wasn't carrying any weapons. In the cab of the truck, inspectors found a list of household items they said included rifles and pistols. Inspectors found a loaded handgun in a box labelled "kitchen." The load being transported for Howard Brent Hewes also included loaded rifles, more handguns, 4,300 rounds of ammunition, smoke grenades and an anti-tank rocket-launcher. Hewes, 39, lost his arsenal, but he faces no charges. Eller has an Oct. 16 court date. He was freed on $5,000 Cdn bail and was able to return to the U.S. with his rig, minus the confiscated weapons. He faces Customs charges including smuggling, making false statements, failing to report imported goods and possessing unlawful imported goods. Each count carries a maximum penalty of six months in jail and a $50,000 fine. He is charged with importing prohibited and restricted weapons and unsafe storage of firearms. Eller said he was dumbfounded when he was arrested. He said he will return to face charges. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:55:55 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Column: Western diversity doesn't come at the end of a bullet PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2003.07.14 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial PAGE: A7 COLUMN: Bob Friedland BYLINE: Bob Friedland SOURCE: Special to the Sun ILLUSTRATION: Photo: Adrian Wyle, Canadian Press / While federal FinanceMinister John Manley was flipping flapjacks during the Calgary Stampede, Albertans were fired up against his fellow Liberals. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Western diversity doesn't come at the end of a bullet - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It seems that some Alberta good ol' boys -- Canadian Alliance MP Rob Anders and Craig Chandler, an unsuccessful Tory leadership candidate -- are having a Calgary Stampede-style shooting match. Only the targets they are using are the red-and-white Liberal Party of Canada logos. For $100, you get to fire an Uzi, a 9-mm pistol, or a shotgun at the symbol of Canada's governing party. Sounds like good wholesome fun, right? Wrong. And these ignorant rednecks are defending the idea, saying the rest of Canada just does not understand the cowboy way of life, that the rest of us should relax, stop being so anal-retentive and accept this not-so-passive aggression as an expression of "western diversity." Well, I have tossed more than my share of hay bales to hungry cattle off the back of a flatbed truck in minus 40-degree winter days when the condensated cow steam froze and crystallized on their sorry hides. And I have tended bar at the Diamond Horseshoe in Laramie, Wyo., where I attended graduate school, and served plastic "roadies" to cowboys on horseback at the drive-in window. Shucks, ma'am, I even served Stampede breakfasts in the streets of Calgary. So I do not need anyone to tell me about the cowboy way of life. This ain't it. This is the American way of life -- at its very worst. This is the same insane and extremist political force that paid to publish "Wanted for Treason" ads against President John F. Kennedy in Texas newspapers the week he was assassinated. The posters showed Kennedy in the crosshairs of a telescopic rifle sight. The ads were placed by agents of the John Birch Society, a right-wing political extremist group whose members had earlier, in that fall of 1963, physically attacked frail, old Adlai Stevenson, twice a Democratic party presidential candidate and, at that time, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. The ads were also plastered all around Dallas the day Kennedy was gunned down. In that political climate, no one was particularly surprised that the president was shot, just by who had done the shooting. I remember the day after Pierre Elliott Trudeau took his walk in the snow and announced his political retirement. Impromptu parades of horn-honking cars jammed the streets of downtown Calgary. Maybe it shows my age, but I remember that the venerable CBC commentator, Walter Kiernan, said on The Peter Gzowski Show that Albertans were just parading their neuroses. At the time, I thought he was perhaps going a bit too far. But I guess he was right. I lived and worked in Alberta in the 1970s and 1980s. That was when all those now decades-old myths propagated by rabid western Canadian politicians, pundits and publications about the national energy policy got started in a paroxysm of chest-thumping and oily-flag-waving. In 1973, the international oil cartel, OPEC, had sent the price of a barrel of crude to the moon by withholding product from the "free" market. This was at a time when the real cost of production in the United States was hovering below a mere $5 a barrel. In the sands of Saudi Arabia, where the oil virtually bubbled up from the bowels of the earth of its own accord, the cost of production was even lower. In other words, the artificially contrived scarcity was nothing more than a pricing phenomenon created by OPEC and had absolutely nothing to do with a free market. This ain't no Adam Smith. This ain't no invisible hand. This is a hand with a .45 automatic held to your head, saying, "Stick-em up, pal. Put all your money in the bag." Alberta flag-wavers may not have been the brains of the outfit, but they were willing to drive the getaway car and take a fat cut of the loot. What Pierre Elliott Trudeau, Marc Lalonde and the Liberals' national energy policy said to Alberta was: We will not let you hold a gun to the heads of Canadians. However, in consideration of forgoing these unconscionable and unearned profits at this time, Canada will indemnify you and Albertans in the lean years, when petroleum prices fall. But Peter Lougheed outsmarted Canada and, it turns out, himself, by setting Alberta up for a recurring fiscal roller-coaster ride on the "free" market price of petroleum. Or, as those Alberta oily-flag wavers would have it: "Yee-hah! We're western Canadians and, shucks, we done been victimized by those mangy eastern Canadian Liberals again." Now, instead of holding an oil-pricing gun to the head of Canada, these rednecked Albertans want to hold a real gun to the head of the Liberal Party of Canada. Bob Friedland is Victoria freelance writer. - - - - Douglas Todd is on vacation. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #274 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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