From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #330 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, July 29 2003 Volume 06 : Number 330 In this issue: Crime, sir, isn't all in our heads Re: French to English Translations Search and charges against Brian Ward The power of a Constitution....... Wendy Cukier: 40 percent of women ... Gun Nuts Touristing in Victoria Needle scare shuts park Police firearm cleared after Glock review Ernie Eves in Peterborough Today! Talking about Gun Reg! Re: A TERRIFYING AND SENSELESS ORDEAL' OPP UNDER FIRE FOR SMALL-TOWN Re: Crime, sir, isn't all in our heads COPS PROBE THEFT OF NINE GUNS Shots fired in Maples, 3 arrested More guns, cash seized in raid ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:54:45 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Crime, sir, isn't all in our heads http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/brodbeck.html July 28, 2003 Crime, sir, isn't all in our heads By TOM BRODBECK -- Winnipeg Sun Canada Safety Council president Emile Therien says Canadians' fear of crime is all in their heads. And he blames the media and self-serving politicians for the indoctrination. In a press release issued last week, Therien argues the only reason people think crime has worsened over the years is because of false information spread by "media hype" and "political expediency." "Therien points out that, although the public's fears do not match the facts, fear itself is a danger," says the release. "He contends that the fear of crime has greater potential to destroy our communities than crime itself." Therien and the Canada Safety Council better take another look at the facts. If they did, they would see that people have every right to complain about high crime rates. That's because even though Canada's crime rate has been falling in recent years -- including last year, according to Statistics Canada -- it's still far higher today than it was in the 1960s and 1970s. There were 7,964 Criminal Code offences per 100,000 people reported to police last year in Canada. Until the mid-1970s, that rate never got above 7,000. Statistics are funny things. You can claim that crime is on the decline. But in some cases, it's only because the decline comes after years of huge increases. It sounds good. But when you look at the long-term trend, crime today is much higher than it was when I was growing up (I was born in 1964). The truth is, crime grew substantially throughout the 1970s, 1980s and the early part of the 1990s. The fact that it's dropped a bit since the early 1990s doesn't mean it's returned to 1970s levels. Not even close. It's like Newfoundland. It has a weak economy. Its gross domestic product is lower than most provinces. So when it has a really good year economically, its growth rate might be 8% or 9%, "leading the country economically." It doesn't mean Newfoundland's economy is stronger than Ontario's, which may have had a 3.3% increase. It just means Newfoundland's starting point is much lower than everybody else's. It's the same as crime rates in Winnipeg. Many have rejoiced over a 2% drop in crime in Winnipeg last year. Well, the only reason it fell 2% in 2002 was because 2001 was the worst year for crime since 1995. Crime in Winnipeg in 2002 was actually higher than in 2000, 1999 and 1998. Never heard such malarkey Therien's theory about people's fear of crime is nonsense. He says the fear may be worse than the crime itself because people will stay off the streets, creating "abandoned, dangerous streets." I've never heard such malarkey in my life. Maybe folks are staying off the streets because there are more robberies today than there were in the 1980s. At least that's the case in Winnipeg. In 1989, there were 978 robberies reported to police in Winnipeg. In 1990, it was 1,096. Last year, there were 1,498 robberies in Winnipeg. That's a 37% increase compared to 1990. Those are the facts. More people are being robbed today than they were in 1990. Therefore, people are more afraid to go out at night or walk the streets. It's not all in their heads, Mr. Therien. It's reality. It's the same with auto theft, which quadrupled throughout the 1990s. If it drops 13% one year, which it did in Winnipeg last year, who cares? There are still nearly four times as many cars stolen each year in Winnipeg compared to 1990. The problem hasn't gone away. In 1990, there were 2,388 vehicles stolen in Winnipeg. Last year, there were 9,321. That's not my imagination, Mr. Therien. Those are the cold, hard facts. And it's definitely not "media hype." When the crime rate starts coming down to levels seen in the 1970s, then Mr. Therien can start claiming victory. Until then, the Canada Safety Council should spend more time calling for tougher laws to crack down on criminals to help reduce crime and less time trying to convince us the problem is all in our heads. Now that would be doing something useful. Tom Brodbeck is the Sun's city columnist. He can be reached by e-mail at tbrodbeck@wpgsun.com. Letters to the editor should be sent to editor@wpgsun.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:06:41 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: French to English Translations On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Bill wrote: > The Google translator 'does' give a general idea of what has been > written, some of the translations are hilarious.. Some other translators: http://www.systranbox.com/systran/box http://babelfish.altavista.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:59:29 -0600 (CST) From: Ed Tait Subject: Search and charges against Brian Ward I am absolutely thrilled to hear of the stay of charges against Brian.........and I see it as an imperative that there be an inquiry into this matter, if not for Brian's sake, then for the sake of all the other citizens out there who might be later put to the same fate as Brian was. I see it not as my place to call for Brian to have to endure more than he already has, only that restrains me from making requests of my MP and my MLA. Might Brian be of a mind to explore the possibilities of an action against those who took official action against him...? Regards Ed Tait Victoria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:01:16 -0600 (CST) From: Ed Tait Subject: The power of a Constitution....... Regardless we have not the like of the American constitution in Canada and regardless, that Americans have seemingly long ago taken that first step, (and since many more) that Jackson so accurately warned against the taking of......(see below) In my judgment, we in Canada should we intend to continue to live in Liberty, would be wise to consider our continued steps..... We must confine ourselves to the powers described in the Constitution, and the moment we pass it, we take an arbitrary stride towards a despotic Government. - -- James Jackson, First Congress, 1st Annals of Congress, 489 [1789] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:01:52 -0600 (CST) From: Marcel Boudreau Subject: Wendy Cukier: 40 percent of women ... We have a wonderful little opportunity to do our own spin doctoring. Next time you're working on your letters or your TV/radio interviews, don't forget to remind the press that 'even the president of Canada's Coalition for Gun Control has stated that MORE THAN HALF of the women killed in Canada by their husbands were killed with something other than a firearm". It's all how you play with the numbers. Have a great day - me, I'm on vacation and I spent most of yesterday teaching the two young teenage daughters of a very good friend of mine the basics of shooting safety and how to handle/fire a 22 rifle and handgun. Everyone had a great day. Cheers, Marcel Boudreau > WENDY CUKIER (Coalition for Gun Control): We know that over the last > few decades in Canada, an average of 40 percent of women who are > killed by their husbands are actually shot, and most of the time > they're shot with legally owned rifles and shotguns. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:02:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Julie McNeice" Subject: Gun Nuts Touristing in Victoria Hi, Hubby and I are in Victoria this extended weekend, and are wondering if there are things on Vancouver Island that are interesting for gun-buffs to see or do while we're here. Appreciate any ideas. Thanks, Julie McNeice Yellowknife, NT jmcneice@community.royalroads.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:19:28 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Needle scare shuts park Talk about mindless hysteria...a fricking nurse should know better! http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-07-28-0011.html Needle scare shuts park 21 syringes found near kids' play areas By DAN PALMER, EDMONTON SUN A city couple feared for their two-year-old daughter's safety yesterday after she came close to a syringe in a west-end park - later shut down - where 21 needles were recovered. "She was right near them. My first concern was for the safety of my child," said registered nurse Stacy Valaire, 29, upset anyone would leave the syringes there. "What a terrible thing to do." Around 3 p.m., Valaire, her husband and their daughter went to John Devoldere Memorial Park near 164 Street and 83 Avenue. As their daughter ran toward playground equipment, Valaire spotted some needles on the ground and told her husband to quickly pick her daughter up. A brief inspection later revealed the couple's daughter had come within less than a metre of a needle in some sand. "Thank goodness she didn't run in (to a needle)," said Valaire, adding a person risks getting HIV or hepatitis, if pricked by a contaminated needle. After calling authorities on a cellphone, the couple told members of the nearby community league. "It upsets me and makes me concerned," said Rick Torringa, 42, second vice-president of the Elmwood Community League. Torringa said he's worried if any children found the needles before they were discovered. He wants parents to check with their children to see if they were in the park yesterday. "What's our neighbourhood turning into?" said Torringa, who put on rubber gloves and picked up the needles. Torringa said he found eight in the sand around playground equipment and 13 at a dry wading pool. City firefighters arrived and taped off a roughly 135 square-metre area to keep people out. "There's no guarantee you're not going to find more. I've seen needles as many as 10 or 12 (at scenes) - never 21," said city fire Capt. Bill Quinn, a firefighter for 28 years. Quinn added that at least two of the needles had liquid inside, but he wasn't sure what it was. The city parks and recreation department was also called because the park is their facility. That department was to have 24-hour security at the site until a contractor could be hired to go through the area to look for more needles, said Quinn. Summer programs which were to begin at the park today were put on hold. No injuries were reported from the incident last night. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:40:55 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Police firearm cleared after Glock review http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=38187&catname=Editorial Police firearm cleared after Glock review By ALISON LANGLEY Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 02:00 Editorial - ST. CATHARINES – A review of the safety of the .40-calibre Glock pistol following two gun mishaps involving Niagara Regional Police officers has given the green light to the police-issued firearm. “It is indeed a safe weapon,” said NRP Deputy Chief Donna Moody at Friday’s police services board meeting. In a written report to the board, Supt. Gary Watkinson said a review of the Glock service pistol determined member error was the common factor of the documented unintentional discharges. Board member Mark Brickell said the incidents should serve as a reminder to all police officers to follow all required safety precautions. “We do accept that it’s unacceptable that these accidents happened,” he said. “We need to be more vigilant to ensure these incidents do not happen in the future.” Police chief Gary Nicholls ordered the review in April, a day after an unnamed veteran NRP officer accidentally discharged his pistol while cleaning it. The incident occurred at the NRP’s firing range inside the Centre for Police and Community Safety Studies, at Niagara College in Welland. According to the report, the officer was in the firearms cleaning room when he pulled the trigger of his pistol to disassemble it and in doing so fired off a single .40 calibre round. The Glock is the only pistol that requires the user to pull the trigger in order to take it apart to clean it. An investigation revealed the officer did not visually or physically inspect the pistol to ensure there was no other ammunition in the chamber. The gun mishap occurred about five months after a rookie NRP officer accidentally discharged two rounds from her pistol inside the locker room of the Niagara Falls police station. According to the review, the officer was attempting to disassemble the pistol when she pressed the trigger and the gun went off. As a startle reaction to the discharge, the report stated, the officer again pressed the trigger and fired a second round. The two rounds fired were loaded from a magazine that had not been removed by the officer, the report said. She had not checked to make sure the firearm was empty before pulling the trigger. The report stated both officers had breached the fundamental firearms safety rule – all guns are always loaded until personally proven otherwise. No one was injured in either incident. The most tragic incident involving an unintentional discharge occurred in February 1993. An officer was unloading his pistol at the former NRP firing range in Thorold when a single round was discharged, striking Const. Jeff Paolozzi. He later died of his injuries. At Friday’s board meeting, members were told a number of recommendations have been implemented to ensure there are no further incidents of unintentional discharges. Officers using the firing range must now make sure their weapons are safe before they proceed to the cleaning room. A second officer must also be on hand to check the firearm. The Glock pistol is widely used by police services across Ontario. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:51:42 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Ernie Eves in Peterborough Today! Talking about Gun Reg! This was posted to the Gun Nutz bulletin board at: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/viewtopic.php?t=15262 Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:04 am Post subject: Ernie Eves in Peterborough Today! Talking about Gun Reg! I got a heads up from O.F.A.H. that they need people to attend at the O.F.A.H building in Peterborough today (July 29) at 11:00 AM...Ernie Eves is going to speak about Ontarios Stance on the Gun Registry and the CFO's future! They are putting out the call for people to attend and show our support for the shooting sports and our disdain for the registry!!!!! We need to show the Media that we are many and we are strong...No Camo Please! You already Know why! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:59:05 -0600 (CST) From: Boris Gimbarzevsky Subject: Re: A TERRIFYING AND SENSELESS ORDEAL' OPP UNDER FIRE FOR SMALL-TOWN Some further internet research (google search +"vancouver police department" +"strip search") revealed a lieberal connection in that Cameron Ward (a lawyer probably not too popular with the VPD) was detained, strip searched and not charged with any offence when it was thought he might be in possession of a pie in the vicinity of the prime minister. http://lists.freelives.ca/pipermail/safety4/2003-January/000044.html Apparently the VPD has a policy of strip searching every person arrested regardless of the charge and Cameron Ward is sueing the VPD in a class action lawsuit; statement of claim may be found at: http://www.cameronward.com/docket/statementofclaim.draft.doc. and details of his own suit against the VPD are in: http://www.cameronward.com/docket/ After reading through the statement of claim it is apparent that an intrusive cavity search is not routinely performed. Nevertheless, I can't see any rationale for strip-searching an individual who the police suspect in being in unlawful possession of a pie. After reading the statement of claim above, I am more convinced than ever that the primary reason for strip searching individuals who have been arrested is intimidation. Rick makes a valid case regarding officer safety as there are many ways of concealing weapons on ones person. The one case given of a flexible blade taped to a prisoners thigh could have been picked up with a metal-detector, and in the absence of same, would not have required the individual to assume a submissive posture which probably has more to do with primate dominance displays than insuring police safety. One would expect police to keep statistics regarding how many times strip searches with close attention to the anal region produced significant findings and, if there was such a thing as evidence based policing, it is unlikely that such searches would be continued for very long as the vast majority of people arrested have no contrabrand hidden in their rectum. The difference in the rectal exams I do and that police do is that all of my patients have consented first whereas someone under arrest has no say in what happens to them. I did look at the literature on detection of prostate cancer by digital rectal exam (DRE) and the only argument one could make for DRE compared to doing a PSA was that DRE was free. Now I give my male patients who are concerned about prostate cancer a choice between a free DRE and a PSA test that they pay for and, not surprisingly, 95% of them have opted for the PSA test. You still haven't addressed my point of the esophagus/stomach as storage sites for drugs and weapons. There is a long tradition in Vancouver of dealers hiding their stashes in their mouths and about 20 years ago there was some contraversy over the narcotics squad putting a choke-hold on suspected dealers as soon as they came into contact with them to prevent them from swallowing the drugs they were holding. While I don't have much reaction to mercaptans and patient body odors that make a lot of people gag, I do seem to be sensitive to the unique fragrence of rotting teeth and these were plentifull in the addicts I used to admit to St. Pauls hospital. I'm surprised that anti-drug campaigns haven't focused on the contaminent microbial flora that drug users are getting along with the drugs they purchase from the dealers fetid storage site (would probably be much more effective if smells could be electronically transmitted as easily as images). Regarding the paper bag rapist and mercaptan capsules; I remember the paper bag rapist but had forgotten about the typically flaky west coast skunk emulation idea. Now that you've jogged my memory, I remember thinking this was one of the stupidest things I'd ever heard as mercaptan response is very individual. Personally, I find the odor pleasant as it is associated with enjoyable summers spent doing organic sulfur chemistry in the 1970's. In some informal experiments I did at that time, about 1/3 of people felt very nauseated when involuntarily exposed to mercaptans, 1/3 were ready to kill me after this involuntary olfactory insult and the remaining 1/3 didn't like it, but couldn't see why the other 2/3 reacted as strongly as they did to the odor. Another reaction to mercaptans is bronchospasm and this may be quite significant when one is sprayed by a skunk as the spray is generally directed towards the face of the attacker. Should the woman performing the skunk emulation get bronchospasm in response to mercaptans, then she would be at a disadvantage in attempting to fight off her attacker. Anything that has a 33% maximal effectiveness rate is useless as far as I'm concerned. Carrying a gun and knowing how to use it would be far more effective, but this is Canada. Boris Gimbarzevsky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:59:48 -0600 (CST) From: "John E. Stevens" Subject: Re: Crime, sir, isn't all in our heads At 02:54 PM 7/28/2003 -0600, you wrote: >http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/brodbeck.html > >July 28, 2003 >Crime, sir, isn't all in our heads >By TOM BRODBECK -- Winnipeg Sun > >Canada Safety Council president Emile Therien says Canadians' fear of >crime is all in their heads. And he blames the media and self-serving >politicians for the >indoctrination. > >In a press release issued last week, Therien argues the only reason people >think crime has worsened over the years is because of false information >spread by "media hype" and "political expediency." Gee, Emile. Kinda like the hype and expediency surrounding firearms. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:05:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: COPS PROBE THEFT OF NINE GUNS PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2003.07.29 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 22 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- COPS PROBE THEFT OF NINE GUNS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- City police continue to investigate a weekend theft in which nine firearms were stolen from a north-end home. Cops say the break-in happened sometime between 8 p.m. Friday and 3:30 a.m. Saturday near 116 Avenue and 87 Street. The stolen firearms included a couple of bolt-action Lee Enfields, a 54-calibre c.v.a Muzzleloader, a .410-calibre Mossberg shotgun, a ..22-calibre Remington semi-automatic, a 9-mm Ruger pistol, a .22-calibre Ruger pistol, a .54-calibre Thompson Thunderhawk, and a 12-gauge Browning shotgun. So far, police have no suspects. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:05:47 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Shots fired in Maples, 3 arrested PUBLICATION WINNIPEG FREE PRESS DATE : TUE JUL.29,2003 PAGE : A2 CLASS : City EDITION : - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shots fired in Maples, 3 arrested - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Bell Three suspects were in custody and a firearm was seized after shots rang out in the Maples late last night. No one was injured in the incident, which occurred near the corner of Adsum Street and Manila Road, close to the Maples Community Centre, police said. Duty Insp. Chris Beattie said there may have been a dispute between neighbours sometime after 10 p.m. "Apparently, shots were fired. We're still interviewing witnesses," he said. A resident of Manila Road said he heard three shots just as he was settling in to watch television. "There were three loud booms. I could hear them from inside," said the man, who didn't want to be identified. Several streets in the area were blocked off for more than an hour, including a stretch of Adsum from Jefferson Avenue to Mandalay Drive. About eight police units were at the scene, including the canine unit. The Manila Road resident said he's lived in the area for 10 years, and has seen first-hand that crime is on the rise. "My car has been stolen twice and my house was robbed. It's not so good." The investigation continues. jason.bell@freepress.mb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:06:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: More guns, cash seized in raid PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2003.07.29 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: B2 COLUMN: In Brief SOURCE: CanWest News Services - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- More guns, cash seized in raid - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Days after four apartments at 1450 West Georgia were raided for guns and drugs, Vancouver police raided a fifth apartment in the building Friday, finding hundreds of thousands in cash, a loaded sub-machinefigun and various other weapons. Two children, a 12-year-old boy and a six-month-old infant, were put into the care of the ministry of children and families. The children's mother, Jasmin Rachel Oleniuk, 30, and her mother, Gail Marilyn Oleniuk, were arrested and charged with firearms offences. Police arrested seven men and a woman last week after a raid on four apartments on the 21st floor of the upscale building. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #330 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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