From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #358 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, August 7 2003 Volume 06 : Number 358 In this issue: SEULEMENT 39% DES CANADIENS TIENNENT AU REGISTRE DES ARMES À FEU C-10a & Royal Assent Dad narcs on paintball attacker Letter to Post .... re: #352 Havel named to Order of Canada Bowes: No medals, but a ticket to Athens Stephen Harper in PA Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #355 All about statistics Re: ONLY 39% OF CANADIANS THINK THE GUN REGISTRY IS WORTH KEEPING: Re: Dad narcs on paintball attacker NFA 'place of storage' requirement for non restricted firearms Re: Hospitals kill 12000 Gun control stance could impact race Symantec Anti-Gun? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:11:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: SEULEMENT 39% DES CANADIENS TIENNENT AU REGISTRE DES ARMES À FEU http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/guns91fr.htm COMMUNIQUÉ - Le 7 août 2003 SEULEMENT 39% DES CANADIENS TIENNENT AU REGISTRE DES ARMES À FEU « Plus les gens en apprennent sur le fiasco fédéral, plus les appuis faiblissent. » Yorkton - Le porte-parole de l'opposition officielle concernant les armes à feu et les droits de propriété, Garry Breitkreuz, a communiqué aujourd'hui les résultats d'un sondage d'opinion révélant que le Québec est la seule province où l'appui à l'égard du registre des armes à feu d'un milliard de dollars dépasse les 50 %. C'est en Alberta qu'il est le plus bas (27 %), puis dans le Canada atlantique (28 %), en Saskatchewan et au Manitoba (31 %), en Colombie-Britannique (34 %) et en Ontario (38 %). « La police ne peut efficacement appliquer la loi sans le consentement des gouvernés, a déclaré M. Breitkreuz. Or, le registre a deux fois échoué cet important test au cours des sept derniers mois. » Les 1 054 participants à ce plus récent sondage ont dû répondre à une question très semblable à une autre qui faisait partie d'une étude Ipsos-Reid réalisée pour le Globe and Mail et CTV en décembre. Le nouveau sondage a été mené par JMCK Communications de Calgary entre le 16 juillet et le 2 août, et la marge d'erreur est de plus ou moins 3,1 % 19 fois sur 20. On trouvera ci?dessous les résultats complets des deux enquêtes. « Les libéraux ont placé la police dans une situation intenable, a expliqué M. Breitkreuz. Les policiers font le serment d'appliquer les lois du pays, mais la majorité des Canadiens estiment que l'enregistrement des armes à feu découle d'une mauvaise loi. Par conséquent, la police suscite moins de respect et d'appui de la part du public lorsqu'elle sévit contre des propriétaires d'armes qui n'ont jamais été et ne seront jamais une menace pour la sécurité. » D'après le principe de sir Robert Peel concernant le maintien de l'ordre, la police pourra exécuter ses fonctions dans la mesure où le public approuve ses actions, et elle doit par conséquent obtenir, face à l'observation volontaire de la loi, la coopération du public si elle veut mériter et maintenir le respect de ce dernier. Pour tenter de résoudre ce dilemme, l'Association canadienne des policiers et le Groupe d'utilisateurs d'armes à feu du ministre de la Justice ont recommandé la décriminalisation des infractions en matière d'enregistrement d'armes. Si quelqu'un connaît la valeur du registre, c'est bien le chef de police de Toronto Julian Fantino. Voici ce qu'il déclarait en janvier : « Je suis très découragé par le nombre d'actes de violence commis à l'aide d'armes à feu que nous connaissons à Toronto; ils ont énormément augmenté depuis quelques années. La difficulté, bien sûr, c'est que nous n'avons pas encore rencontré de situation où le registre des armes à feu nous aurait permis de prévenir ou d'élucider ces crimes. J'aurais aimé disposer des sommes qui semblent avoir été consacrées à la mise en place de ce registre pour embaucher des policiers chargés d'arrêter les criminels afin de renverser la vapeur et de stopper l'entrée d'armes dans nos collectivités. » « Plus les gens en apprennent sur le fiasco fédéral, plus les appuis faiblissent. Les libéraux ont à maintes reprises justifié leur cafouillage d'un milliard de dollars en invoquant l'appui du public, mais ce n'est plus vrai. Et s'ils pensent que ce sondage est désastreux, c'est qu'ils n'ont pas encore vu les résultats de celui que nous mènerons en septembre », a conclu M. Breitkreuz. 4 août 2003 - Sondage JMCK : 39 % des Canadiens pensent que l'enregistrement des armes devrait continuer http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/JMCKPolling-FirearmsActPoll-= August202003.pdf 13 décembre 2002 - Sondage Ipsos-Reid : 43 % des Canadiens pensent que l'enregistrement des armes devrait continuer http://www.ipsos-reid.com/media/dsp displaypr cdn.cfm?id to view=3D1692 - -30- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:38:53 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Adams" Subject: C-10a & Royal Assent Anyone have any idea when our "fine" friends in the House plan on taking the next step with this thing? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:39:22 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Dad narcs on paintball attacker http://www.canoe.ca/WinnipegNews/ws.ws-08-07-0038.html >From Winnipeg Sun Thursday, August 7, 2003 Dad narcs on paintball attacker By CP CALGARY -- A 15-year-old boy suspected in a drive-by paintball attack that partially blinded a girl has been turned in to police by his father. The youth, along with three of his friends, is also suspected in at least seven other paintball cases throughout Calgary this summer. The teen, who cannot be named under the Youth Criminal Justice Act, is the third of four suspects in a July 18 shooting that left a 17-year-old girl blind in one eye after she was hit by a paintball shot from a moving vehicle. The remaining teenager is well-known to police and is being monitored. Warrants have been issued for his arrest. The youths charged with the attacks are between 15 and 17 years old. They are accused of aggravated assault and weapons charges. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:32:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Subject: Letter to Post .... Not truly on topic, but I hope of interest ... Coderre mangles the Privacy Act Dear Sir/Madame, As you so adroitly point out, Mr. Coderre, Canada's Immigration Minister, uses the Privacy Act as a justification for not assisting Canada's police forces in apprehending the war criminals and mass murderer's his ministry admitted to the country, ascribed with rights that Canadian citizens don't enjoy, and then released into the unsuspecting population. It seems that Canadian Immigration officials in far away embassies are supplementing their incomes by turning a blind eye. I'm sure Mr Coderre has his reasons for aiding and abetting these scumbags, but I cannot help but wonder just how far up the ladder this payola goes? What continues to amaze me however, is that in the case of Mr. Coderre's proposal to require each and every Canadian to carry a National Identity Card with biometric security features, the provisions of the Privacy Act do not apply to protect Canadian citizens. Was it the intent of the Privacy Act to protect foreign war criminals here in Canada while affording no protection to Canadians? I'm sure that if we had an effective Privacy Commissioner there might be a dissenting voice, but that little problem has been rectified leaving the Act open to whatever interpretation the Minister wants to give it. It seems that the terrorists of 9/11 have truly won if Canadians will stand still for this sort of government and the erosion of our fundamental freedoms. I guess the old adage is true, and our brand of democracy is truly about getting the government we deserve. Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk Oshawa, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:33:11 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Gingrich Subject: re: #352 Havel named to Order of Canada "André Demarais, president of Power Corp., who is married to Prime Minister Jean Chrétien's daughter France, was named an officer, as was Jean Pelletier, Mr. Chrétien's former chief of staff." Can someone explain this to me? What is an officer of the Order of Canada and what are their duties and benefits? What is a member and what are their duties and benefits? What and where is the Power Corporation and what are its functions? Yours in tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox, Sask. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:56:57 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Bowes: No medals, but a ticket to Athens http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonSports/es.es-08-07-0105.html >From Edmonton Sun Thursday, August 7, 2003 Bowes: No medals, but a ticket to Athens By TERRY JONES, EDMONTON SUN SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- Five days ago, Sharon Bowes believed her Olympics were gone because of a brutal case of food poisoning. Yesterday, while still not totally recovered, she recovered enough to punch her ticket to Athens. And she didn't win a medal. It's weird the way it works here with Olympic qualifying in sports like shooting. Bowes, like Calgary trap shooter Tye Bietz, ended up qualifying for the Olympics by finishing fourth. It's not where you finish, in some cases, it's who you finish behind. For Bowes, it worked this way. The top two spots in the rifle 50-metre three-position event went to shooters who had already qualified, an American and the Cuban who won her quota spot in the small bore event here. That meant the third-place and fourth-place shooters would get Olympic quota spots. STRANGE SET-UP And with the strange set-up in shooting, that means Bowes can now go to Athens and shoot in the 10-metre event she was so devastated to not have qualified out of in the opening day of competition at these Pan-Am Games. It feels as crazy to Bowes as it probably does to anybody reading this. Oh for the days when you just had to win your national championship and have international results to prove you were world class in your sport. "I guess I got a little bit lucky this time,'' said Bowes, who won a medal at the 1995 Pan-Ams but failed to qualify for the Athens Olympics. "I'm thrilled to get the spot. I'm disappointed to be going home with no medals from here. ''But my primary goal coming here was to get an Olympic quota spot,'' said the former Zamboni driver from Waterloo, Ont. This was Bowes's fifth Pan-Ams. Her first was in Indianapolis in '87 and she's been at every one since. She's also been in four Olympics and five Commonwealth Games. She's won 12 Commonwealth Games medals - four gold, five silver and three bronze. LOTS OF MEDALS She's won five Pan-Am medals, a gold, three silver and a bronze. She's been fourth and tied for fourth at the Olympics in her events of air rifle and sport rifle. Now Bowes, who finished fourth and tied for fourth at her first Olympics in Los Angeles in 1984, is going to a fifth Olympics. All's well that ends well. "I guess the bottom line is that I somehow managed to get the job done." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:57:21 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Stephen Harper in PA Stephen Harper is the guest speaker at the business builders luncheon in Prince Albert on August 20, at 12:00 noon. This is held at the Prince Albert Exihibition Centre-West Hall. Tickets are $20.00 each. Call 1-306-764-6222 by August 10, 2003 to purchase your tickets. Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:33:59 -0600 (CST) From: "David M" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #355 > David, > > How about sharing the info and sources with us? > > Aubrey The UK group Cybershooters http://www.cybershooters.org has an almost constant stream of newspaper items and commentary on firearms matters heavily biased towards the political and they have featured numerous items on surveillance cameras, black on black shootings, self defence etc. Well worth subscribing to their mail list if you are interested in how wrong the British have got their firearms laws. David. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:34:41 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: All about statistics from the inbox: Objet : All about statistics Some interesting figures.... - ------------------------------------- A little something to ponder over... a. The number of physicians in the US is 700,000. b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000. c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (US Dept.of Health & Human Services Then think about this: a. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000 (yes, eighty-million!). b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500. c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188. Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand. As a public health measure I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear that the shock could cause people to seek medical attention. copyright © 2001www.hushport.com __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumsit Contract : All Rights Reserved : Without Prejudice __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:35:21 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: ONLY 39% OF CANADIANS THINK THE GUN REGISTRY IS WORTH KEEPING: > Yorkton - Today, Garry Breitkreuz, Official Opposition Critic for Firearms > and Property Rights, released results of a national public opinion survey > showing that Quebec is the only province where support for the > billion-dollar gun registry exceeds 50%. - -snip- I will offer this opinion. The probable reason that the firearm registry enjoys more than 50% support is the dismal job the Quebec media has done to keep the public informed. __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumsit Contract : All Rights Reserved : Without Prejudice __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:36:13 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: Dad narcs on paintball attacker "The teen, who cannot be named under the Youth Criminal Justice Act, is the third of four suspects in a July 18 shooting that left a 17-year-old girl blind in one eye after she was hit by a paintball shot from a moving vehicle." Perhaps this is the root cause for all the problem of youth crime we see, regardless of race, colour or creed, the Young Offenders Act. For generations youth have come to learn there are miminal consequences for their criminal activity. If they don't remember their protection expires at 18 years of age might also explain the rash of 19 year olds who get into problems with the law. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:56:33 -0600 (CST) From: awpaob@telus.net Subject: NFA Posted with permission of author email address is peter@marstar.ca NFA Choose MasterCard Money over Upholding Firearms Merchants' Rights VANKLEEK HILL, ON: After requesting assistance from the National Firearms Association in publicizing the fact Moneris Solutions (who handle all MasterCard transactions for the Royal Bank and the Bank of Montreal) terminated their MasterCard merchant account because they sell guns, Marstar Canada, a lifetime member of the NFA in good standing, received a response this morning from Mr. Jim Hinter, the organization's President. During the telephone conversation between Jim Hinter and John St. Amour, the former explained to the latter that the banks refused to comment on the issue because the matter was before the courts therefore the NFA could not obtain further information regarding the case. "Interestingly enough, I corresponded with the NFA President over a year ago (July 10, 2002)," notes Peter Pau, Marstar's marketing rep. "At that time I'd sent him copies of all correspondence between Moneris and Marstar's legal counsel (these have been available on Marstar's web site at www.marstar.ca/mn.htm for months) and, as court proceedings had yet to be commenced at that time, he could have investigated further as he'd promised in his email to John St. Amour dated July 10, 2002." "I'd assumed at the time such a sensitive issue as whether or not a credit card transaction processing company can refuse to conduct business with a company who sells firearms would be important enough to warrant the NFA's attention" Peter added. "This issue relates directly to all businesses who cater to the recreational firearms community. Imagine what would happen to any business that was prevented from obtaining a merchant account: they wouldn't be able to accept their clients' credit cards or bank cards." Another reason behind the NFA's reluctance to support Marstar soon became apparent. According to their President, the National Firearms Association receives almost $20,000 in annual revenue from MasterCard through their affiliate card program. "It strikes me as incongruous that one of Canada's largest associations of firearms owners and merchants actively promotes through their affiliate card program the same major corporation that allows the companies who handle their merchant accounts to discriminate against firearms dealers because of the commodity they sell" Peter commented. "Marstar Canada asked the National Firearms Association to support them through allowing an explanation of the issue between Moneris Solutions and the well-known firearms dealer to be included in their member bulletin. At no time have we ever requested financial assistance from the NFA," affirms John St. Amour, Marstar's President. "We only wanted to make as many members of the recreational firearms community aware of our situation and why we have commenced court proceedings against Moneris Solutions." Ironically holders of the 'National Firearms Association MasterCard' cannot use it at Marstar because of the commodity (guns) they sell. Meanwhile, to cite but one example, untold thousands of pornographic Internet sites continue to accept MasterCard. "FREEDOM" For those who Fought, Bled and Died For It " FREEDOM " has a FLAVOR THE PROTECTED will Never Know or Savor. Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:49:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Howard Magda" Subject: 'place of storage' requirement for non restricted firearms I'm positive this was brought up before here but I forget the final upshot. The Application to Register Newly Acquired Firearms (for Individuals) has a place for Place of Storage to be filled out. This form is for newly imported of manufactured firearms. Is there a place in the Firearms Act and or Regulations requiring the place of storage to be given for non restricted forearms? I'm thinking in terms of the requirement as part of a 'prescribed by regulations' clause. This requirement for place of storage doesn't seem to be required for any other non restricted firearm forms. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:21:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robert LaCasse Subject: Re: Hospitals kill 12000 Oh Oh, wait till the "Gov't" gets wind of this disclosure, they will have to keep a lower profile! They send the Mibs over to steal your firearms, because you are a rational outspoken individual! My GP is in the middle ages, and lower echelon Surgical experimenters are not sure how their security is LAN intercepted by other more devious entrepreneurs! Waging war for profit and population control has expanded to the "Good Doctor" who thinks the x-ray he is looking at is the original CAT scan or other! I know it is almost impossible to receive x-rays, for observation since even a "Layman" can view the morphed-in pixelation variation! Like the Courts and Firearms departments, nobody seems to know anything, and I find that Judges and Court Clerks seem to vanish from the Court Registry. The issue of Ghost guns like Qualicum/Ward, are probably stemmed from the upper "Gov'ts" interest in the TV movie Ghost Busters, along with the ninny Nostradamus followers! Did Carpe Diem predict this Firearms boondoggle, well honestly I haven't looked into those coded messages yet, and it seems that it is all in our minds! Across the street , we have Drug user centers, where Drug addicts get free narcotics, and the streets are still full of Crack Heads simply to provide to provide a trainning center for rookie mind controlled Cops! In my days anyone with long hair was thrown into some rat hole jail for some 20 years! Cops are selected on their obedience to the NWOrders, like Doctors, and Confiscators. All these programmed peoples have their HayDay for awhile, but like Drug Addicts, they want and "Need" more and more as "time" passes! Bob On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:54:15 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>------------------------------ |> |>Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:45:43 -0600 (CST) |>From: "ross" |>Subject: Hospitals kill 12000 |> |>A recent article in the Ottawa citizen has gone on to state that over 12,000 |>people across Canada die from infection related to their hospital stay. |> |>That is a fair number of tax payers that our health care system is killing. |> |>Couple that with the numbers that doctors kill through medical misadventure, |>and we have an epidemic. |> |>Surely the Liberals can throw a further three or four billion to register |>hospitals, doctors, infections so as to save us from this horrible death |>toll. |> |>After all...if it can save just one taxpayers life..aren't we justified. |> |>well aren't we??? |> |>------------------------------ Triad Productions-Fantalla(c)~EZine~ParaNovel www>>http://triad.virtualave.net/siteindex.html offnet>http://triad.virtualave.net/contact.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:22:20 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Gun control stance could impact race http://www.100milefreepress.net/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=1&cat=45&id=94498&more= 100 Mile House Free Press Letter to the Editor Gun control stance could impact race Paul Martin, MP Dear Mr. Martin, When I first heard of your intention to run for the leader of the Liberal Party last fall, I remember you saying that you would scrap the Firearms Registration Program, if you became Canada's new Prime Minister. Now that your nomination for leader of the Liberal Party is virtually assured, you seem to be behind the registration program, which has cost the taxpayers of Canada a billion dollars already, and the hole for this huge money pit keeps getting deeper and deeper without any useful service to the citizens of Canada. Your position, on the registration of firearms, could make or break the Liberal Party in the next election. Would you please come forward and declare what your position will be on this useless bureaucracy called firearms registration. The firearms registration makes about as much sense as registering jack knives, which I've carried in my pants pocket since I was seven years old. Can I please have a reply, as to your position on gun control, and firearms registration? Arthur H. Plitt CC: Philip Mayfield, MP Gary Breitkreuz, MP B.C. Wildlife Federation N.F.A. Calgary R.F.0.C. Langley Sapperton Fish and Game Club 100 Mile Free Press The Vancouver Sun The Province © Copyright 2003 100 Mile House Free Press ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:44:25 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Symantec Anti-Gun? Crossposted from Canadian Gun Nutz bulletin board: http://vkus.freeyellow.com/toSymantec_2003_07_21.html World Headquarters Symantec Corporation 20330 Stevens Creek Blvd. Cupertino, CA 95014 tel +1 408 517 8000 www.symantec.com Dear Sir / Madame: I have recently purchased and installed on my home computer your product – “Internet Security”, which includes firewall with parental controls allowing to block unwanted websites, containing pornography, violence, and other material inappropriate for children. This program also periodically downloads from your firm an updated list of blocked web sites. As probably most of the users, I installed it and used it for a while in it’s ‘default’ configuration. It took me a while before I’ve got to the list of the blocked categories of websites and examined it. Even then, it was not be immediately obvious to me what the “weapons” category means. Here is the an incomplete list of the web sites blocked under this category: http://www.keepandbeararms.com – a web site with political news devoted to right to keep and bear arms http://www.concealcarry.org/ Concealed Carry of Illinois, Inc. http://www.wagc.com/ Women against gun control http://nra.org/ NRA http://www.nraila.org/ -- NRA’s institute for legislative action http://www.saf.org/ Second Amendment Foundation http://www.guntruths.com/ http://www.tsra.com/LottPage.htm Prof. John Lott’s page. http://www.gunowners.org/ -- Gun Owners of America http://gunsafe.org/ We are the "Quiet Majority" of Connecticut firearms owners http://www.jpfo.org/links.htm Jews for preservation of firearm ownership. http://www.nfa.ca/ -- National Firearms Assoc. (Canada) http://www.tennesseefirearms.com/ http://www.mcrgo.org/ Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners http://www.goal.org/ Gun owners action league http://www.io.com/~velte/pt.htm Peaceable Texans for Firearms Rights http://www.isra.org/ Illinois state rifle assoc. http://www.mothersarms.org Mother’s Arms http://www.gunssavelife.com/ http://www.gunownersca.com/ http://www.gosc.org/ Gun owners of S. Carolina http://www.blackmanwithagun.net/ http://www.kc3.com/ -- Kentucky coalition to carry concealed. http://www.ccrkba.org/ Citizens committee Right to Keep and Bear Arms. http://www.guncite.com – facts and quotes about gun control. http://firearmsrights.com/ http://www.womenshooters.com http://licgweb.dos.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html : FL Department of State’s website with info about concealed carry statues. http://www.bfpe.state.ct.us -- CT state board of firearm permit examiners. Despite being characterized as “weapons”, most of the websites do not contain any depiction or discussion of any firearms, and fully devoted to politics of Second Amendment, right of the citizen to self-defense, study of crime statistics, etc., and some of them are actually (the last two in the list above) the official web sites of state agencies and law enforcement! The Second Amendment Foundation is devoted to the preservation of the Second Amendment, as well as Jews for Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Among the blocked is the web site of Prof. John Lott Jr., the author of scientific research on the influence of lawful firearms ownership on crime rates, the author of the books More Guns, Less Crime: understanding Crime and Gun-Control Laws (Studies in Law and Economics (Chicago, Ill.).) The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You've Heard About Gun Control Is Wrong. Even though these websites have little to do with “weapons”, I find existence of this category strange. Firearms are just tools made by good guys for good guys for self-defense, and their ownership is protected by U.S. Constitution, and a right thing to do is to educate children on their safe usage, not to block information about them. Of course, I perfectly understand that it is enough to find the list of the blocked subjects and uncheck the “weapons”, but it is also pretty clear that most of the parents will install the program without ever getting to that list, even less to the bottom of it where the “weapons” category is located, and even if they do, no sane person would assume that it refers to conservative political websites having no guns depicted on them and dedicated to the preservation of the U.S. Constitution. So, by creating this category and putting these websites into it you silently block access to those political views for children of many unsuspecting parents. Just out of curiosity I tried some of the anti-gun websites. Here are the results: Allowed: http://www.onemillionmoms.com/ -- Million moms march http://128.121.250.41/ -- Brady campaign to prevent Gun Violence. http://www.bradycenter.org/ - -- same http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zj5j-gttl/guns.htm - A Case for Gun Control http://www.gunfree.org/ - Coalition to stop gun violence http://www.nyagv.org/ -- The mission of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence http://www.paxusa.org/ - Real solutions to Gun violence http://www.mppgv.org/ - The Michigan Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence http://www.wagv.org/ Women Against Gun Violence http://www.ncgv.org/ N. Carolinians against gun violence http://www.ipgv.org/ - Iowans for the Prevention of Gun Violence http://www.ocagv.org/ Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence http://www.jointogether.org/home/ http://www.silentmarch.org/ http://www.gunfree.org/ http://www.ichv.org/ -- Illinois council against handgun violence http://www.the-indigestible.com/specials/gcn/ -- Gun control Now http://www.ceasefirenj.org/ http://mothersagainstguns.org/ http://www.doctorsagainsthandguninjury.org/ http://www.ajcongress.org/ptchoice.htm http://www.handgunfree.org/HFAMain/ Anti-gun sites blocked: http://www.vpc.org/ -- Violence policy center. http://www.americansforgunsafety.com - -- the only 2 I was able to find! Obviously, this pattern is not a result of randomly blocking all websites related to the subject of gun control. This could only be achieved as a result of a conscious effort to block conservative websites, dedicated to the protection of the Constitution, while not blocking the liberal ones. Among the sites you did not block are the websites of organizations such as former “Handgun control Inc”, now the “Brady Campaign etc.” dedicated to banning guns, and while the can not do it legally – by repealing the Second Amendment – they are trying to do it by putting a pressure on U.S. legislature to pass anti-constitutional laws, while ignoring the Constitution. This is a very interesting choice for web sites available for children. I am not sure if this is a screw-up by some low-level clerk, or an official policy of the Symantec corporation. Until this problem is resolved, I will refrain from purchasing any of your products, including paying for any of the virus definition updates – I will switch to other programs. I will post this letter on my website http://vkus.freeyellow.com in the Letters section. This website is also not a “weapons” website, it is a conservative political website dedicated to the right of the people to self-protection. If you ever choose to send me a reply, I promise to post it in the unchanged form on the same website. I will distribute this letter to pro-gun web sites, newsgroups and mailing lists. 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