From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #503 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, September 22 2003 Volume 06 : Number 503 In this issue: BEAR TURNS THE TABLES ON HUNTER Re: Animal Rigts Fanatics taking over RCMP OT computer glitch Cat Crap RE: OT computer glitch Two girls questioned in Sydney murder POLICE SHOOT THIRD DOG ARGUMENT SPELLS DEATH ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING KILLS PORTAGE MAN Paramedics team players with TRU ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:40:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: BEAR TURNS THE TABLES ON HUNTER PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2003.09.22 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 3 BYLINE: DAN PALMER, EDMONTON SUN - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= BEAR TURNS THE TABLES ON HUNTER - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= A 49-year-old man was taken to a city hospital after being attacked by a bear - believed to be a grizzly - but was still able to shoot it and get away from it on an ATV, say authorities. The man was hunting Saturday when he came across the bear in a wooded area 45 km southwest of Rocky Mountain House, 220 km southwest of Edmonton, say authorities. The Rocky Ambulance service says the man lay on the ground after being attacked by the bear, which briefly wandered off but came back to the man. The man then shot the bear. The man got out of the area on an ATV. His wife was nearby in a vehicle and the pair met an ambulance on a road after it had been called around 4:15 p.m. The man suffered a bad laceration to the head, shoulder and front torso, says the ambulance service. The man was treated in the Rocky Mountain hospital before being transferred to the University of Alberta hospital in Edmonton, say RCMP. The man's injuries weren't believed to be life-threatening. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:41:41 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: Animal Rigts Fanatics taking over RCMP From: "Larry James Fillo" wrote: "Are the RCMP becoming a political tool to enforce the Liberals attack on rural Canadian culture and economy?" ******* Larry, the RCMP are a police force who will carry out whatever the government enacts into law. There is no need to peer into the future to see if the Mounties will be used as "a political tool". One need only to look to the past when the RCMP were used as strike breakers or in their prime as a national security force when they had (have) files on everybody. Their motto is not "always get your man" its "maintain the right" and whatever the law says is what's right to them even if the law is wrong. Talk to a Mountie who has done time at any Canadian international airport and ask their opinion of this country's refuge policy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:42:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: OT computer glitch I'm getting an error message every time I start my computer. It says: Error ShellIconNotify failed Does anybody know what the heck that means. My computer seems to work OK. Alan Harper alan__harper@cogeco.ca SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:43:34 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: Cat Crap "Edward III" opined: > Most of it is a falacy, as cat owners generally have kitty boxes. I'm sure cats do crap in their litter boxes when they're at home. If they stay home long enough to use the litter box, that is. However, when they're out and about in other people's yards - because they're being allowed to "roam free" by moronic owners - they make use of the neighbors' vegetable gardens and flower beds, the kids' sandboxes, and run around spraying the vegetable gardens just for good measure. Trying to suggest to people that cats interrupt their nocturnal wanderings to hurry home so they can use the litter box before resuming their hunting is almost amusing, even if not believable. > Further cats cannot be walked like dogs, they have different nature. Drivel. With lines like you're coming up with... you don't work for the Canadian Firearms Center, do you? The brand of fertilizer smells the same. Cats can be walked, just as dogs can be. If people can walk something as skinny and hyperactive as a ferret - and I've seen that as well - cat owners can't use that pathetic excuse for allowing their cats to run free and become the neighborhood vermin. Claiming that cats have to be allowed to roam free because it's their nature is like saying dog owners should allow their dogs to run free and hunt deer in packs, because that is their nature. Dogs should never be out of their yards unless under the direct control of their owner. The same goes for cats. > and stop the friggin' barking for no reason all day (and even night). It is unacceptable that dog owners allow their dogs to bark. It is also unacceptable that cat owners allow their cats to run free doing their crying, yowling, and fighting in other peoples' yards. For somebody to whine about dogs barking and yet forget to mention cats fighting, breeding, yowling all night is a little bit suspect. Not to mention that a lot of the dogs doing their barking at night are barking because some jerk's cat is sitting on the fence just out of reach, teasing the dog. Nothing a load of #8 shot won't cure where safe and legal... >>domestic cats wandering off their property kill millions of songbirds each > year, etc. > > They kill LOT less birds than we do. Lot more animals are killed to make dog > food. Well... duh... and cats are all owned by vegans who feed them soy meal, right? Most pets - dogs and cats - are fed with food that is prepared from the byproducts of the human meat/fish/fowl consumption industry. I don't think there's too many people out there who can afford what dog or cat food would cost if it was made from Black Angus cattle slaughtered expressely for that purpose. In other words, using the excuse that "more animals are killed to make dog food" just doesn't float. As for claims that cats "kill LOT less birds than we do" - more drivel. For starters, we aren't in the habit in this country of running around killing songbirds - which is generally what cats are in the habit of specializing in when they're owned by idiotic owners who allow them to roam free. Researchers from the University of Minnesota estimate bird kills by domestic cats to be at 638 million songbirds in the US alone each year. That research is confirmed by similar research from around the world. We definitely don't shoot that many game birds each year. The National Audubon Society, the American Bird Conservancy, Partners in Flight, the National Wildlife Federation, the International Council on Bird Preservation, and many other local and national birding and fish and wildlife groups are describing the impact domestic cats are having on songbirds as a crisis. Globally, research indicates that domestic cats kill over one billion songbirds a year. All the hunters and all the oil spills in a year don't begin to total that. In the US domestic cats also kill 47 million rabbits a year - far more than human hunters ever kill. Domestic cat predation has threatened the Key West marsh rabbit population in Florida and has put several species of mice and woodrats on the point of extinction. They have infected mountain lion populations with Feline Leukemia and it now appears have infected the endangered Florida Panther with Feline Panleukopenia as well as an AIDS like immune deficiency disease. That's why free roaming cats are vermin that should be shot on sight where legal. I'd be just as happy to require all cats be microchipped and their owners fined $1000 each time their cat is trapped running free in town. I'll bet that would change a lot of cat owners' attitudes in a hurry. >> Pity they can't accept the food chain runs up as well as down when they >> let their cats run loose. > > Some people eat cats? Yep. Not me... when my dogs are done with trespassing cats they catch, there's nothing left for me. Usually just a little gnawed on kitty skull, that's about all they leave. Hardly make a meal... The Germans were smart enough to breed sharpness (the drive in hunting dogs to kill vermin) into a lot of their hunting dogs, and happily, that includes Griffons. When cats climb over my 5' high fence and enter my yard, they become vermin... and dog food. But more importantly, when Fluffy goes out hunting songbirds, muskrat kits, etc, ol' Fluffy often ends up as the dinner for a coyote, an owl, a bobcat, a raptor, etc. Nothing cheers me up more than going on one of my evening walks at the wildlife preserve beside my place and seeing a coyote trotting off with somebody's kittycat in its' jaws. I even saw a Great Grey owl flying off with somebody's cat one morning; talk about poetic justice - bird catches cat. Nature talking care of business. I love it. Interestingly enough, even the Humane Society says cat owners who let their city cats roam as "free spirits" are morons who aren't even looking out for the best interests of their cats: "...the lifespan of an indoor cat is 17 or more years, while free-roaming cats typically live less than five years. Outdoor cats transmit diseases and parasites; are exposed to hazards such as pesticides, antifreeze, and vehicles; can become lost or stolen; may be injured in fights with other cats; can be killed by dogs or wildlife; and may even be harmed by irate neighbors. In addition, outdoor cats often become a nuisance, routinely defecating in neighbors' gardens and sandboxes, spraying neighbors' bushes, and digging into trash." Read that last phrase again: "...ROUTINELY defecating in neighbors' gardens and sandboxes, spraying neighbors' bushes..." It is equally unacceptable when dog owners don't pick up after their dogs, but speaking only for myself I'd rather end up with dog crap on the bottom of my shoe than cat crap and urine applied directly to the foods I intend to eat. You, of course, may prefer the reverse and have developed a preference for the taste of cat crap and urine over cleaning the sole of your shoes, and that is certainly your right as a cat lover! > And we wonder why there's need for gun control :) You see? You can't even get that right. There is no need for gun control. There's a need for moron control - either when it's some moron misusing firearms or some moron who refuses to be a responsible pet owner. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:46:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Jason Hayes" Subject: RE: OT computer glitch Have you removed any icons to programs recently? Usually this error message appears when a link to an icon for a program is broken. Check your "startup" folder to ensure you aren't trying to start up a program that doesn't exist. - ------------------------ Jason Hayes - Principal Hayes Holdings Consulting hh@hayz.ws / www.hayz.ws Blog: www.hayz.ws/weblog/blogger.htm #1936 - 246 Stewart Green SW Calgary, AB, Canada T3H 3C8 See the YOPY linux PDA www.yopy.ca - ------------------------ "...intimate laughter between fellow professionals, (is) of all earthly powers...strongest to make men do very bad things before they are yet, individually, very bad men" --C.S. Lewis, "That Hideous Strength" - ------------------------ I'm getting an error message every time I start my computer. It says: Error ShellIconNotify failed Does anybody know what the heck that means. My computer seems to work OK. Alan Harper alan__harper@cogeco.ca SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:47:05 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Two girls questioned in Sydney murder http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2003/09/21/f201.raw.html >From Halifax Herald Two girls questioned in Sydney murder By Michael Lightstone / Staff Reporter A man found dying in the dark on a sidewalk near his north-end Sydney home early Saturday was murdered, Cape Breton Regional Police say. A spokesman said two girls - one a minor, the other under 20 - were picked up for questioning in connection with the violent death. Sgt. Mike Kennedy said the victim was in his 30s. He said police found him at about 2 a.m. in front of a Ferry Street duplex after a caller phoned 911. The man's name hasn't been released; he lived down the street, police said. A man who said he's a neighbour of the victim was stunned to learn the dead man was the tenant who lived above him. "He was upstairs at my place," said the neighbour. He said the murder victim had recently separated from his wife. "They came here from B.C. about two months ago," the neighbour added. A worker at a neighbourhood bar said he didn't know the victim, but "the people that were involved, I don't think they're from around Sydney. "The kids around here are good - I got nothin' bad to say about nothin'." Sgt. Kennedy wouldn't disclose how the man was slain. Saturday's killing is the latest violent crime to strike a residential street that's situated near downtown and no stranger to serious incidents. Sgt. Kennedy said the man "was in very critical condition" when emergency personnel got to the scene. He was taken to Cape Breton Regional Hospital and died there. "Our major crime unit is still interviewing people, and we have a police dog on the scene right now, combing the area for evidence," Sgt. Kennedy said Saturday afternoon, adding that metal detectors were also being used. He said no weapons had been found and no charges have been laid. Sgt. Kennedy said he assumed an autopsy would be performed but couldn't say when it would happen. Police acknowledged the Ferry Street district has produced "a lot of serious crime" in the past. "Just a couple of months ago, we had a shooting down there - there are a couple of people before the courts charged with attempted murder," Sgt. Kennedy said. "Last year, we had a gentleman shot on his front lawn in the same area." The first incident, which took place in April, saw a man shot in the back and then left on the sidewalk near his Ferry Street home. It prompted a long stand-off with police. Many local residents are upset about the level of crime in their area. Drug deals and fights aren't uncommon, they say. The early-morning murder was "indicative of this neighbourhood lately," said Dan MacNeil, who told ATV news he was preparing to distribute Neighbourhood Watch pamphlets before the killing happened. He said there has been "a lot of fighting going on, and this is the kind of thing that you would expect eventually to happen." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:47:44 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: POLICE SHOOT THIRD DOG http://www.yorkregion.com/yr/newscentre/erabanner/story/1359849p-1602237c.html >From Era Banner POLICE SHOOT THIRD DOG York officer kills pitbull as it tries to scale fence Sep 21, 2003 Patrick Mangion, Staff Writer - More from this author York Regional Police shot a pitbull to death in Keswick Wednesday, the third aggressive dog shot by officers in the past three months. The six-year-dog, named Colby, was shot three times as it tried to scale a back yard fence to attack officers, Staff-Sgt. Gary Miner said "It's not a case of a trigger-happy officer. They tried several different ways to subdue the dog," Staff-Sgt. Miner said. "In some people's minds, it may have been two hours too long." Police were called to an Irene Drive home in south Keswick shortly after 9:30 a.m. after animal control officers failed to subdue the dog by using a lasso and tranquilizer dart. Staff-Sgt. Miner said police tried to control the dog with pepper spray, taking drastic action more than an hour later, as the dog tried to jump a fence separating the animal from police. The dog, described as "vicious and aggressive" had a history with police and animal control officers, he said. But the dog's owner, Guido Albanese, who was in Italy when he received the bad news from his girlfriend, accused police of using excessive force. "The dog has never bit anyone. My girlfriend has a three-year-old who plays with him all the time. It's just crazy that they had to shoot him," Mr. Albanese said during a phone call to The Era-Banner Thursday. Mr. Albanese is having an autopsy done on his dog at the University of Guelph. "We want to determine the point of entry of the bullets to determine if the dog was running at the police," he said. Mr. Albanese admitted it's not the first time his dog has run away, forcing neighbours to call animal control. "I get so many complaints about the dog, just because of the type of dog he is," he said. Mr. Albanese said Colby was declared dangerous by animal control because on one occasion it became aggressive when officers returned it to his property. "But that's normal," he said, adding the dog was protecting its territory. Yesterday's dog shooting was the third since July 17, when officers shot a German shepherd several times, killing the dog following a botched Newmarket bank robbery. Police said an officer fired in self defense when the dog lunged at him outside a Harry Walker Parkway bank. Five days later, on July 22, police wounded a pitbull after the dog had latched on to an officer's arm. Police were trying to coax the dog back to its property after Newmarket residents complained it and another pitbull were running at large. - -- files from Rick Vanderlinde ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:48:17 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ARGUMENT SPELLS DEATH http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-09-22-0004.html >From Edmonton Sun ARGUMENT SPELLS DEATH Victim shot outside Athlone hall party By SHANE HOLLADAY, EDMONTON SUN An early morning argument outside a northside community hall ended yesterday in a hail of bullets that killed a young man. The shooting occurred as a loud party - that had prompted neighbours to complain to cops - was winding down inside the hall. "The first car off at the scene found a 20-year-old man suffering from several gunshot wounds lying in the parking lot," said Staff Sgt. Brian Nowlan. "He was immediately transported to hospital where he died shortly thereafter." Shots rang out at the Athlone Community Hall, at 13010 129 St., about 5:30 a.m. - - terminating an argument between two men, Nowlan said. Witnesses told cops an argument between the shooter and the victim broke out between 5 a.m. and 5:30 a.m. as the hall party wound down and after a crowd had spilled out into the parking lot. Police could not say what led to the argument. The shooter fired up to 10 rounds from what was likely a semi-automatic hand gun, Nowlan said. At least four rounds struck the victim. One round pierced his chest and another struck the man in the leg, he said. The gun was probably fired from within three metres of the victim, Nowlan said. Homicide detectives are investigating and gang unit members were called in. Nowlan said identification of the victim would be delayed pending notification of next of kin. Nowlan said their suspect was last seen travelling north and then eastbound on 130 Avenue, possibly in a maroon car. Nowlan added: "I can tell you that our victim is well known to police." Police couldn't say yesterday if the shooter was at the same hall party or arrived as it was closing down. Just before 11 p.m. last night, city police Insp. Bryan Boulanger announced that a Canada-wide warrant was issued for Shaun Darren Toon, 22, of Edmonton. Toon is wanted for second-degree murder, using a firearm to commit an offence, carrying a concealed weapon and unauthorized possession of a firearm. He is beleived to be armed and dangerous. Please call your local police if you see him. Meanwhile, a neighbour who only wanted to be identified as Terry said he began calling cops at 3 a.m. to complain about the noise level. He was one of several neighourhood residents who said they complained, and suggested a timely response by police might have prevented the shooting. "I was in the basement and I could hear the music. I heard the bangs," Terry said. Police confirmed they did get a call about the party around 3 a.m., and Sgt. Joan Ashmore said police were extremely busy with higher priority calls at that time. Media relations officer Sgt. Chris Hayden made a point of noting in a press release the killing comes nearly a year to the day after the shooting of Julian Wright. Wright, also 20, died in a hail of bullets just before midnight on Sept. 19, 2002, as he sat in a car near 145 Avenue and 54 Street. Athlon Community League secretary Laura Foss said the league had concerns about the man who rented the hall. "We have had him rent before, and people complained about the noise," Foss said. "He was warned that he could try it with us one more time, but if there was one more problem it was going to be his last rental." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:48:43 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING KILLS PORTAGE MAN http://www.canoe.ca/WinnipegNews/ws.ws-09-22-0014.html >From Winnipeg Sun Monday, September 22, 2003 Manitoba Briefs column ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING KILLS PORTAGE MAN By STAFF A 50-year-old man was killed when he reached for his shotgun and a round went off accidentally, RCMP say. A neighbour discovered Alec Frazer Cuthbert lying on the ground near his vehicle in the Rural Municipality of Portage la Prairie on Friday. The neighbour noticed Cuthbert had blood on his chest and alerted police. Investigators with the Winnipeg RCMP forensic identification section determined foul play was not suspected. Cuthbert died of a single shotgun wound to his chest, RCMP said. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:49:18 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Paramedics team players with TRU http://www.haltonsearch.com/hr/bp/story/1359773p-1602047c.html >From Burlington Post (Photograph) Ron Kuzyk, Post photographer Halton police tactical officers are now responding to situations with trained tactical paramedics who provide emergency medical attention to anyone who may require it. TRU officers and tactical paramedics performed a training scenario earlier this week in north Burlington, shown here. (Photograph) Ron Kuzyk, Post photographer Paramedics Shawn Hogan and David Biber. Paramedics team players with TRU Halton EMS workers can provide immediate medical expertise on the scene Robb Swybrous Sep 21, 2003 Already armed with tactical weapons and the know-how to diffuse tense situations, Halton police's Tactical Rescue Unit officers now have paramedics on their team. A plan to integrate paramedics with the service's TRU was initiated by Halton EMS workers about a year ago and, since June, TRU's two six-member units are being joined by a handful of Halton EMS workers anytime they are called to a scene. TRU normally responds to police calls that could lead to hostage takings or other escalated incidents. TRU is often called to domestic disturbances. Sgt. Brian Carr heads up the unit; he says the TRU's aim is to use the least amount of force as necessary but on occasions when weapon use is possible, he says it's comforting to know trained paramedics are on scene. "In the past, the paramedics would be down the street and we'd have to call them in if we needed them," he said. "Now we can provide medical expertise to the officers, the subject or anyone else at the scene who needs first-aid. "They (the paramedics) can come up close to the threat line but not actually in the threat zone." Each of the 11 paramedics assigned to tactical duty work as Halton EMS paramedics on a day-to-day basis and are called to potentially volatile scenes when needed. Tactical paramedics are dressed in camouflaged clothing similar to TRU officers but instead of being armed with high-powered rifles, they carry bandages, intravenous solutions and other first-aid supplies. "They carry a scaled-down version of what they would have on the ambulance," said Greg Sage, manager of training and quality assurance for the region. Tactical paramedics also carry communication equipment and a personal supply of water with a special drinking hose to maintain hydration. Many situations where they would be needed end up taking hours to unfold. TRU officers and tactical paramedics have already been sent to calls around Halton and paramedics have provided first-aid to at least one person so far during a call. In order to maintain a high standard of service, TRU officers and tactical paramedics carry out regular training exercises, including one Wednesday in rural Burlington. The emergency response teams staged a domestic situation in a house on Walker's Line near No. 2 Sideroad where two men were involved in a mock armed stand-off. TRU officers 'secured' the area and tactical paramedics were rushed to attend to a subject who ended up with a self-inflicted gunshot wound in the scenario. Sage is a front-line paramedic in charge of the tactical EMS workers. He is looking forward to maintaining the police-paramedic relationship. "The purpose of training is to practice and hone our skills," he said. "This is very much a new program between us and the police but from our perspective it has been wonderful." ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #503 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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