From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #513 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, September 25 2003 Volume 06 : Number 513 In this issue: Editorial: Guns in schools VOTE TO SUSPEND GUN REGISTRY SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 1, 2003 First Nation holding moose hunting contest Poachers fined, jailed, banned from hunting and fishing Natives say hunting rights must remain Editorial: Another fur flap that need not fly Program helps women to protect themselves M-387 (Pierrette Venne) House call nets surprise haul School offers 'only guy stuff' for day ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:33:42 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Editorial: Guns in schools PUBLICATION: The Record (Waterloo Region) DATE: 2003.09.25 SECTION: Opinion PAGE: A14 SOURCE: THE RECORD - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Guns in schools - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Kids are supposed to brings books and lunches to school, not guns.What went wrong, then, in Waterloo Region this week? Two teenaged males at two different public high schools were arrested after handguns were used to attack or threaten other students. Both incidents are an outrage. Both represent a threat to young people and a breach of security that demand serious and thoughtful responses not just from the courts and school board but the entire community. If it would be wrong to overblow or sensationalize these two incidents, it would be irresponsible to ignore them. In the first crime, an 18-year-old student was pistol-whipped with a pellet handgun during a fight at Elmira District Secondary School on Monday. In the second incident, a 15-year-old student was threatened with a handgun -- what kind isn't clear -- and robbed at Kitchener-Waterloo Collegiate and Vocational School. This kind of thing doesn't routinely happen in this regional community. We tend to associate gun-toting students with crime-ridden, dysfunctional metropolises far from here. Apparently we no longer have this luxury. So what do we do? First, we believe that there is a strong argument that the two suspects in this case should not, if ultimately found guilty in a criminal court, be allowed to return to a regular classroom. Ever. They are accused, remember, not merely of taking handguns to school but using them in the commission of serious crimes. Our society may still owe them an education. It does not owe them a place in a regular community school. Second, we should support the schools in any way we can as they respond. The two high schools where these incidents occurred are dealing with the problems. We should listen to what school officials say about the nature of such violence -- how common it is and what resources should be mustered as a defence. Finally, we have to make it clear that as a community we cannot and will not tolerate this. In some cases, parents will have to become more aware of just what their children are up to. The safety of the youngsters in our schools must be a given. They have a right to grow up in a happy, secure school environment. They cannot grow properly if they are living in danger. And they cannot learn properly looking down the barrel of a gun. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:44:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: VOTE TO SUSPEND GUN REGISTRY SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 1, 2003 HOUSE OF COMMONS DEBATES PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS * * * [Translation] Canadian Firearms Program The House resumed from May 1, 2003, consideration of the motion and of the amendment. Mr. Mario Laframboise (Argenteuil-Papineau-Mirabel, BQ): Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to speak today to Motion M-387, to which my colleague from Ch=E2teauguay has presented a clever amendment. This motion by the hon. member for Saint-Bruno-Saint-Hubert reads as follows: That, in the opinion of this House, the government should immediately suspend application of the Canadian Firearms Programme in order to hold a public inquiry into the reasons for the Programme's extraordinary cost overruns, and to submit a structured and detailed strategic plan that would have to be approved in advance by this House. http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/debates/126_2003-09-24/HAN126-E.htm#OOB-687469 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:47:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: First Nation holding moose hunting contest PUBLICATION: The New Brunswick Telegraph Journal DATE: 2003.09.25 SECTION: News PAGE: A3 COLUMN: Provincial News BYLINE: Telegraph-Journal DATELINE: WOODSTOCK - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= First Nation holding moose hunting contest - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= The Woodstock First Nation is holding its annual bull moose hunting contest again this year. Hunters pay $25 to enter, and the person who brings in the moose rack with the most points, wins all the prize money. Shawn Sappier is the Community Directions Officer for the band. He said the annual bull hunt is considered a ceremonial hunt because "all the meat is donated to the band and is distributed to our elders." If there is meat left over, it is shared among band members who do not hunt. The rules state "absolutely no cows" can be killed during the hunt. "Your cows are carrying at that time," explained Mr. Sappier. Mr. Sappier said that last year, four moose were killed during the contest. This year's contest runs from Oct. 4 to Oct. 11. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:48:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Poachers fined, jailed, banned from hunting and fishing PUBLICATION: The New Brunswick Telegraph Journal DATE: 2003.09.25 SECTION: News PAGE: A4 COLUMN: Provincial News BYLINE: SHAWN BERRY Telegraph-Journal DATELINE: EDMUNDSTON - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Poachers fined, jailed, banned from hunting and fishing - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Two northwestern New Brunswick men will lose hunting and fishing privileges for the rest of their lives after being sentenced for poaching. R=E9ginald Desjardins, 44, and Daniel Clavette, 28, were each handed $2,400 in fines and 14 days in provincial jail in Edmundston Provincial on Wednesday. Each was sentenced for two counts of moose poaching. A ministerial order will keep the pair from hunting in the province again. Under the provincial Fish and Wildlife Act, individuals found guilty of two major offences falling under the act are banned from hunting and fishing for life. They will be blacklisted and will not be permitted to store hunted meat in their homes, or get wood cutting licences either. "The important thing is that were getting them out of the woods permanently," said Jacques Laforge, a ranger with the Department of Natural Resources. The poachers were done in by two members of the Madawaska Maliseet First Nation. They solicited the aid of a native man and a native woman to take possession of the carcasses of three moose they shot between Oct. 9 and Oct. 10, 2001 - outside of moose hunting season. On each occasion, the men, and one of the natives, took the carcasses to a butcher shop. Rangers were alerted to the scheme after Mr. Clavette, of Riviere-Verte, and Mr. Desjardins, of St-Basile, went to the butcher shop and tried to claim the moose meat, which was registered under the names of the Maliseets. A third man, Bernard Lefebvre, was fined $120 for illegally harvesting the liver from one of the dead animals. At the time of the 2001 raid, rangers said the operation was one of the largest poaching investigations ever undertaken in northwestern New Brunswick. Mr. Clavette and Mr. Desjardins will be eligible for reviews of their lifetime bans in 2013. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:52:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Natives say hunting rights must remain PUBLICATION: The Moncton Times and Transcript DATE: 2003.09.25 SECTION: News PAGE: A5 COLUMN: News - Other BYLINE: JAMES FOSTER Times & Transcript Staff - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Natives say hunting rights must remain - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Native hunters aren't about to let the province interfere with treaty rights and court decisions that they say grant them an unregulated moose hunt. That's the message they delivered yesterday to Natural Resources Minister Keith Ashfield who met with native leaders in a blunt discussion on the topic in Moncton. The meeting was closed to the public to allow for frank discussions, and that's exactly what happened, say sources in attendance. "The message to the minister is that the treaties and the courts both say we have a right to hunt, and that the province has no jurisdiction over us, and that we find his interference in these rights troubling," the source said. Items up for discussion included doing away with the legal transfer of meat, compensation to natives for an agreement to limit the hunt, registration of moose kills by natives, community-wide licences that would allot a certain amount of moose for each reserve and a co-operative effort to gather data on the moose herd. However, native leaders point out that the province has no jurisdiction over them, although Ashfield contends he isn't interested in altering treaty rights or court decisions or exerting jurisdiction over native issues, but must act to sustain a moose herd under threat from over-hunting. Many native leaders are receptive to the idea of getting rid of meat-transfer permits, because they don't feel the law requiring permits to transfer moose meat from one person to another applies to them anyway. The permits are an issue because some native hunters are selling moose meat at prices as low as $1 per pound. The sale of moose from natives to non-natives is legal, as long as the non-native has a permit showing where the meat came from. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:54:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Editorial: Another fur flap that need not fly PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2003.09.25 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial PAGE: A14 SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen ILLUSTRATION: Photo: This hat ... ... from that - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Another fur flap that need not fly - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= When urban people start making emotional decisions about life in rural Canada, it seems the decisions are almost always the wrong ones. An animal-rights group is taking on the RCMP over the force's continued use of the muskrat hat, the famous headpiece with flaps that has been official cold-weather gear since 1933. The Fur-Bearer Defenders, a B.C. group, is concerned about the trapping of muskrats. And the RCMP is at least reviewing its use of hats, taking a look at a synthetic alternative. We're more concerned about the health and welfare of our federal police officers who can spend hours at a time out on a highway in rural Canada in a minus-30 C storm, and who swear by the muskrat hats. What about the thousands of Canadians who make a living trapping, many of them aboriginal? Some people think muskrats are cute and need to be protected. Actually, they are a rural rodent found in marshes across Canada, as common as squirrels in Ottawa. Another example of misguided urban sentimentality applied to rural Canada is the cancellation of the spring bear hunt in Ontario. Out of the blue, then premier Mike Harris cancelled the hunt in 1999, under intense pressure from the anti-hunting lobby. The result has been disastrous. Some of Ontario's 150,000 black bears are roaming into cities and towns. Some rural residents have been afraid to walk in the woods and Ontario's police chiefs recently complained that bear nuisance calls are all too common. As Derek Nighbor, the Liberal candidate in Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke recently noted, anti-hunting sentiment comes from people who think of Winnie-the-Pooh, not a large bear, with cubs, running by an Eganville elementary school. Let's not permit knee-jerk urban sentimentality to shape decisions that have dramatic effects on the people who live in this huge, cold country. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:55:50 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Program helps women to protect themselves Alamogordo News, New Mexico Program helps women to protect themselves By Michael Shinabery/Staff Writer Sep 23, 2003, 01:36 After state Rep. Gloria Vaughn took a Women On Target firearms class in 2002, she bought herself a medium-caliber handgun. Vaughn attends meetings throughout Otero County — sometimes driving deep into rural areas and not getting home until the late, lonely hours. And, of course, she puts a lot of miles on her vehicle between here and the Round House in Santa Fe. “There is a great deal of interest in protecting yourself,” Women On Target instructor Carol Leonard said. “As many single women in this country as we have now – and I’m single so I understand this raising kids – we are looking at more ways to keep ourselves safe, protecting our families, that old lioness protecting our cubs.” On Saturday, Sept. 27, Leonard is teaching another Women On Target class, to introduce women to the shooting sports, and firearms’ safe handling and use. “With the amount of violence that is coming in the world at this moment in time, there’s only one way to protect yourself,” Leonard said. “Most men, if they see a pistol in a woman’s hand, they pretty much back off.” For four years, Leonard has been competing in cowboy shooting under the moniker Alamo Rose (roses are her favorite flower). You might say where other shooters are good at embellishing their tales with traditional bull, Leonard hits a lot of bullseyes. Waltzing away with top honors is not uncommon, and in 2002 she earned the Cowboy State Competition New Mexico Champion trophy. Leonard pulled her first trigger before she was 10. Dad taught her; but more importantly, she said, Dad preached safety. When she instructs, Leonard said his standard is “utmost in our minds.” Vaughn took the lesson to heart. “I want to use a weapon safely; the course teaches me how to use a weapon safely,” Vaughn said. “The people who instruct us are so knowledgeable and patient. Even if you’ve never held a gun, they make you feel like you can do it. What I love about the course is, they teach you how to properly clean, how to fire, and how to protect yourself in case of emergency. I certainly would recommend this course for any ladies interested in doing this for their protection, and their knowledge.” Class applications are available at Dave’s Guns, 1498 E. 10th St., or call Leonard at 437-6405. Use of a .22-caliber revolver, ammunition, and lunch is included in the $5 fee. Otero County’s Sidney Paul Gordon Shooting Range, in La Luz, will host the class. Sign in at 8:30 a.m. The Otero Practical Shooting Association provides the lunch, and shooting starts after instruction. Ear protection is provided, but students must bring eye protection. A portable chair, hat, umbrella and sunscreen are recommended, as are comfortable shoes. Leonard, a member of the Single Action Shooting Society, also teaches Hunter’s Education, and Refuse to be a Victim classes through the National Rifle Association. She is an NRA rifle, pistol, and self-protection instructor; teaches the Boy Scout Rifle Merit Badge; and plans to be a concealed-carry instructor for the Concealed Carry Bill the New Mexico Legislature passed this year. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:57:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Karl Schrader" Subject: M-387 (Pierrette Venne) Business of the House The Deputy Speaker: The honourable member for Trois-Rivières advised me in writing that he was unable to introduce his motion during private members' business on Monday, April 5, 2003. Since it has not been possible to arrange an exchange of positions in the order of precedence, I am directing the clerk to drop that item of business to the bottom of the order of precedence. Private members' hour will thus be cancelled and government orders will begin at 11 a.m. It being 5.30 p.m. the House will now proceed to the consideration of private members' business as listed on today's Order Paper. Canadian Firearms Control Program Ms. Pierrette Venne (Saint-Bruno-Saint-Hubert, Ind. BQ) moved: That, in the opinion of this House, the government should immediately suspend application of the Canadian Firearms Program in order to hold a public inquiry into the reasons for the Program's extraordinary cost overruns, and to submit a structured and detailed strategic plan that would have to be approved in advance by this House. She said: Mr. Speaker, I am very happy to begin this first hour of debate on Motion M-387 moved in my name, regarding the Canadian firearms control program. In addition to the fact that we are going to debate my motion, I must say how happy I am to take part in my first debate as a independent Bloc Quebecois member. On February 17, during members' statements, I promised my constituents that I would seize every available opportunity to hound this government. Today's debate is therefore a wonderful opportunity to proudly honour, without hindrance, the promise I made. I am also pleased because this debate is being held in a new context that respects and recognizes, finally, the role of members of Parliament as well as the importance of their initiatives, thanks to the implementation of a new provisional standing order that makes all items of private members' business votable. On countless occasions I denounced the unfairness of the former procedural rules that discouraged any initiative and frustrated members. This did not further democracy and only hindered Parliament. Accordingly, I hope this new standing order will become permanent. That said, let me return to today's subject, which is gun control. Incidentally, I have been involved in this issue since the very beginning, that is, since 1989, the year of the massacre at École polytechnique de Montréal, which led to legislation introduced by Kim Campbell, Minister of Justice at the time. The purpose of that bill was to prohibit automatic weapons converted to semi-automatic weapons, to establish new controls that would apply to military and paramilitary firearms and to introduce greater scrutiny of those applying for authorization to acquire firearms. Fourteen years later I am moving this motion because the issue is still important and it concerns me on three levels. First, as a parliamentarian and citizen who is interested in public safety; second as a firearm owner and big game hunter; and finally, as a taxpayer who cannot accept the government wasting our money as shamefully as it has. First, let us be clear. In 1995, when Parliament passed the Firearms Act, and I am still very much in favour of gun control, I had to force my colleagues in the Bloc Quebecois to support gun control. This was very divisive for our caucus, because many members, mainly from rural ridings, opposed gun control. I then believed, maybe because I was too confident or optimistic, that the federal government would be able to effectively manage this program, which is under its constitutional jurisdiction. Incidentally, before infringing upon areas of provincial jurisdiction, the federal government should make sure that it is able to effectively manage programs under its own jurisdiction. Note that gun control is not an exception in terms of mismanagement of public funds. We only have to think about the sponsorship scandal which resurfaced only a few weeks ago, after a report from the Standing Committee on Public Accounts came to the conclusion that there had been negligence, misconduct and mismanagement of public funds by Public Works Canada. I know someone who must be very happy to be in Denmark right now. But let us come back to the topic, because if we were to list all cases of mismanagement of federal programs and government cover-ups, it would be hours before we got anywhere near gun control. Therefore, the purpose of my motion is not to cancel the gun control program but rather to suspend it in order to identify clearly what went wrong and what caused it to go wrong. It is sometimes necessary to take stock and then draw the necessary conclusions. In the case of gun control, that time has come and the only conclusion we can draw is that this program was a monumental financial failure. It is no use hiding one's head in the sand. It is a tough pronouncement, but a realistic one. The figures say it all. Unfortunately, it has become obvious that the way the government operates has nothing to do with the rigour and rationality which underlie sound management. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:29:50 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: House call nets surprise haul http://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=15&cat=23&id=116168&more= >From Kamloops This Week House call nets surprise haul Dave Eagles/KTW (Photograph) Rifles and a hand pistol were just some of the items RCMP seized from a North Shore home early Tuesday morning. Displaying the weapons to local media are RCMP Cpl. Mike Stewart and Const. Jane Price. Dave Eagles photo By DARSHAN LINDSAY It's one of the largest seizures of prohibited and other weapons in Kamloops. Early Tuesday morning RCMP hauled out several firearms including rifles, handguns, an automatic pistol and a home-made silencer from a home on the North Shore. Police made the discovery after attending the residence in the 100 block of Carson Crescent to arrest a 24-year-old man on an outstanding warrant. Concerned that a child may also be present, police searched the home and found the weapons, as well as a small amount of cocaine and drug paraphernalia. "This is one of the largest seizures of both prohibited and other kinds of weapons in Kamloops," RCMP spokesman Cpl. Mike Stewart said during a press conference late Tuesday afternoon. "It had the potential to become a major concern to the police who can face this type of situation every day in their job." Beside him on a table were some of the items seized, including switchblades, a three-foot-long sword and ammunition. The police investigation is continuing and Stewart couldn't say if there would be any more arrests. However, he did say it's believed the weapons were connected to organized crime. Charges were laid Tuesday against Travis Wayne Thomas Bowcock. He faces 11 counts under the Criminal Code of Canada including weapons-related offences and possession of stolen property. Letters to the Editor: gordk@kamloopsthisweek.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:35:38 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: School offers 'only guy stuff' for day http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?id=1330DB71-898D-4462-8B46-B218AB14F7A9 >From National Post School offers 'only guy stuff' for day Girls sent elsewhere as ATVs, helicopters replace textbooks Graeme Hamilton National Post Thursday, September 25, 2003 (Photograph) CREDIT: Christinne Muschi, National Post Student Nicolas Ducharme, 15, gets weapons instructions from Sgt. Olivier Simard, while ... (Photograph) CREDIT: Christinne Muschi, National Post ...Jennifer Fontaine, 16, checks out her new hairstyle and makeup. MAGOG, Que. - In an experiment that some have criticized as a throwback to the 1950s, a high school here yesterday sent the girls off to learn hairstyling and makeup tips while the boys stayed behind to be boys. They got to handle machine guns, ogle a helicopter, ride mountain bikes and play video games as part of an unprecedented boys-only afternoon aimed at reducing the high dropout rate among male students. There was no denying that the 550 boys taking part found the session a lot more interesting than sitting through a chemistry lesson. "It's fantastic. It's pretty cool," 16-year-old Yanick Trottier said after inspecting an Armed Forces Griffon helicopter that had just landed on the school's soccer field as part of the festivities. Officials at École secondaire de la Ruche first had the idea for the event, called the Guys Show, last January. They were motivated by statistics showing a 24% dropout rate among young men in Quebec. The school's own classes for students in difficulty had three boys for every girl. The situation in Quebec mirrors a nationwide concern that schools are failing boys, resulting in poorer marks and a higher propensity to drop out. An Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development study published this month found that 15-year-old girls in Canada outperform boys in reading and science and have greater career ambitions. "We have a problem motivating boys," said André Couture, the principal at de la Ruche. "We need to do something to connect boys to school." The choice of decidedly macho activities for the boys has drawn fire from some, who saw a reflection of outdated stereotypes about gender roles. The Montreal newspaper Le Devoir published an editorial denouncing the project. But Mr. Couture said the flashy attractions were needed to ensure the boys participated in other events during the day, such as a pair of presentations on self-esteem and values, and a chicken supper with a selection of male "role models" from the worlds of business, politics, sport and the arts. The boys were allowed to invite their fathers to a closing concert to encourage family bonding. The principal said there is no point denying that girls and boys have different interests. "We offered a dance course last year, and of the 35 students who signed up, 34 were girls. I don't know if it's genetic or cultural. You can say it's sexist, but that's the way things are." And among the information booths set up in the gymnasium and in the parking lot, it was not the bookstore or the pharmacist's display of condoms and skin cleansers that drew the crowds. It was the all-terrain vehicles, electric guitars, weapons and video games. David Fugère-Doucet, 14, and his friends were impressed by the M-16 machine gun that the Hussars regiment had brought in from neighbouring Sherbrooke. "It's a lot of fun. There's only guy stuff here, nothing for the girls. There are go-carts, guns, police. There's no hairdressing or stuff like that." The hairdressing was going on in another school building several blocks away. After many girls protested that they were being offered nothing while the boys enjoyed a daylong program with an $11,000 budget, a last-minute program was thrown together for the girls. They had a choice between a comedy show at a Magog theatre, a screening of the French version of the movie The Panic Room, or workshops on hairstyling, makeup, drawing, sewing and dance. In the hairstyling session, Hélène Poitras offered advice. "You mustn't let the bobby pins be visible," she said as she styled the hair of one of their schoolmates. The girls all received two pages of pointers on how to shampoo their hair. While some were enthralled, others chose to head home for the afternoon. "It's not fair," 15-year-old Valérie said as she and a friend left school. "We don't have any fun activities like the boys. We don't get a free supper. Instead they give us makeup, hairstyling and sewing. I'd rather see the four-wheelers." Pierre Reid, Quebec's Education Minister, who represents the local riding in the National Assembly, was one of the role models who joined the boys for supper. He praised the day as "an example of innovation" and said it may serve as a model for other schools to follow. "They asked me to come not as a politician but as a man who went to school, who didn't always enjoy school, but who persisted and ended up with an interesting job." By the end of the day, organizers were impressed with the participation, estimating that 580 of the 700 boys enrolled in the school took part. "We had to do something in the right direction," said Georges Bitar, one of the organizers. "We don't think we're going to solve the dropout problem with one activity, but it's going to help." And for women concerned that the Guys Show was a step backward for feminism, they scored an unexpected coup when the Griffon helicopter landed. Out of the cockpit stepped one of the two pilots, 31-year-old Capt. Cheryl Elvidge. "I think it's an excellent idea," she said of the day. "I don't know why they didn't invite the girls. Hopefully they'll invite us back when they have a girls' day." ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #513 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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