From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #515 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, September 25 2003 Volume 06 : Number 515 In this issue: RE: Idiotic comments by my idiot Lieberal MP RE: Idiotic comments by my idiot Lieberal MP EASTER IN CONTEMPT OF PARLIAMENT: BREITKREUZ Feminist revenge Re: here here My letter to John Bryden ... (no subject) My letter to my MP John Bryden Gun registry discouraging many hunters from hitting the bush and marsh. Re: Ethnic Cleansing of Duck Hunters Re: Ethnic Cleansing of Duck Hunters OFAH's Municipality gun registry motion Re: Firearm Cleaning Question Hidden Grit hike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:08:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Ed Sieb" Subject: RE: Idiotic comments by my idiot Lieberal MP Bruce Mills wrote: > Note the part where he talks about "destroying" long guns... > > Mr. John Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot, Lib.): "Blah-blah-blah-blah......." John Bryden has always been a well-known idiot. He is frequently the source of the most idiotic pronouncements and comments, both in the house, and in scrums. He is singularly, one of Parliament's most ignorant and uninformed members. He is a master of petty conceits and a pneumatic hubris. His comment on "long guns", reveals that he has absolutely no idea about why the registry exists, nor how it works, nor does he understand anything about "long guns", and shoulder arms in general, (nor how guerrilla forces acquire weapons). In short, Bryden, as usual, is speaking about and pronouncing on subjects he knows absolutely nothing about. He is speaking merely to hear himself talk. It's an attempt to make himself sound knowledgeable and engaged, while actually saying nothing. He is a certified idiot. Ed Sieb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:56:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Jason Hayes" Subject: RE: Idiotic comments by my idiot Lieberal MP Bruce, there's no doubt that these comments are idiotic. However, this fellow just gave us the next "the only people who should have guns are the police and the military" quote. Read it carefully!! In a prepared speech, in the edited Hansard, your MP openly admitted that the purpose of the registry was to "collect and destroy" long guns. He tries to cover it by saying "unregistered guns" or guns not owned by "proper gun owners". However, who decides what is "proper"? What happens if someone misses a licensing date? Clearly the firearms owned by the members of CUFOA are not registered, so they must be part of the dangerous group of guns. Could you tell me the difference between a registered and unregistered Remington 721 .30-06? Why is one more dangerous to soldiers in Iraq than the other? You should phone him up and thank him for so publicly admitting the end goal of the registry. I left the entire quote in below because it is essential that the quote be read in context. He specifically negates the idea that the registry is there to deal with "automatic weapons that are only effective at close range". He then reinforces the idea that he is talking about long guns, which are accurate at 100 - 500 yds. Apparently if unregistered single-shot, or semi-auto rifles that are accurate from 100 - 500 yds get out of North America, the war on terrorism will be lost. Therefore, the registry is there to "control" and "destroy" them; for the good of the American soldiers of course. - ------------------------ Jason Hayes - Principal Hayes Holdings Consulting hh@hayz.ws / www.hayz.ws Blog: www.hayz.ws/weblog/blogger.htm #1936 - 246 Stewart Green SW Calgary, AB, Canada T3H 3C8 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:57:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: EASTER IN CONTEMPT OF PARLIAMENT: BREITKREUZ September 24, 2003 - BREITKREUZ'S QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE CHARGING EASTER WITH CONTEMPT OF PARLIAMENT http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/speeches/sept-24-2003.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:59:00 -0600 (CST) From: "jim davies" Subject: Feminist revenge > And among the information booths set up in the gymnasium and in the parking lot, > it was not the bookstore or the pharmacist's display of condoms and skin > cleansers that drew the crowds. It was the all-terrain vehicles, electric > guitars, weapons and video games. > > David Fugère-Doucet, 14, and his friends were impressed by the M-16 machine gun > that the Hussars regiment had brought in from neighbouring Sherbrooke. > > "It's a lot of fun. There's only guy stuff here, nothing for the girls. There > are go-carts, guns, police. There's no hairdressing or stuff like that." Watch for thorough feminist revenge for this slap at their agenda. Whoever dreamed this up will be punished. A little reality is a horrible thing to the LIEberals. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:00:57 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: here here >> I don't know what else I can say, or what else I can do. > Today this Digest is just a news clipping service. However that is no > fault of the Digest. It is merely reflecting today's reality. If the Digest reflects today’s reality, may I suggest that we surely need to change that perception. Today’s reality is only real if we accept the Firearms Act as the “Law of the Land”. We are not forced to accept that as a given fact. We can create our own reality. The reality is that we are still free to make choices. We can fill this Digest with accounts of our own personal actions to overturn this unjust law. Perhaps we need to ask ourselves, “Do we believe our own rhetoric ??” Or as Shakespeare has Macbeth say, are our words “A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing” ?? I don’t think so. Personally, I believe what we all have written here, that the Firearms Act destroys our Canadian heritage and culture, destroys our basic human Rights, turns us into third class citizens. Jack Wilson believes this. Jack is putting his personal freedom on the line now by publicly demonstrating non-compliance with this unjust law. A Canada with the Firearms Act as “law” is unacceptable. Al Muir is prepared to do the same as Jack Wilson. As I am also. No organization is going to save us. The reality is that we all must become individually involved. Follow the excellent examples that are demonstrated here on this fine Digest. Write letters -weekly, get involved politically, join the local riding associations, vote, take your neighbors to vote, make sure the platforms of our political parties reflect our demands. Get involved with public non-compliance: refuse to license, refuse to register, tear up your license, send back your registration certificates. Be creative in your actions. Be active. Be free !! Please pardon the expression, but I have heard no fat ladies singing. Nor will I. Sincerely, Eduardo Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association 402 Skeena Crt Saskatoon Saskatchewan S7K 4H2 1-306-242-2379 1-306-249-2359 fax edwardhudson@shaw.ca www.cufoa.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:10:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Subject: My letter to John Bryden ... Dear Mr. Bryden, Over the years, you and I have exchanged a number of emails, a number of them quite pleasant. Your recent ramblings in the house, however have given me pause, yet again, to wonder at your uneven performance! On one hand, you seem to have more integrity than the next 25 members of your caucus, and on the other hand ... this: > > Mr. John Bryden (Ancaster-Dundas-Flamborough-Aldershot, Lib.): Mr. > Speaker, I will make my remarks short because I know other people want > to speak and private members' business is sort of a sacred time and > people want to get on. > > I want just to say that despite the cost overruns of the firearms > registry, and I do agree that something went badly wrong, I can tell the > member opposite and the person moving this motion that this is one MP > that still very much supports the program. In light of the Firearms Act contravening sec(s) 7-15 of the Charter of Rights (as I pointed out in my latest correspondance to you), the inability of the civil service to get the data right, the very low compliance rate of (formerly) law abiding Citizens, and the extremely high costs to Canadian taxpayers for an ineffective placebo solution -- I believe that you are on VERY thin ice in continuing to support the Registry! > > Very quickly, Mr. Speaker, the member should put in context what the > registry does. What the registry does is it tracks long guns which are > capable of killing not only animals at a distance but capable of killing > people at a distance. Quickly enough, apparently to gloss over the facts! The registry tracks nothing useful at all, given the error rates. Further, rifles and shotguns hardly constitute the weapon of choice for criminal activities. Real criminals use illegal restricted and prohibited firearms imported into Canada illegally. The firearms act does NOTHING about the real problem! > > Since September 11 the security situation has so drastically changed > that we need to control and destroy long guns that exist in society that > are not being used by proper gun owners, by registered gun owners. > Because the one thing that we do not want to see in international > affairs particularly in countries like Iraq, we do not want to see > terrorists acquire guns that can kill people at distances. Oh stop! Sept 11th has come to be the justification for any unconstitutional legislation your substellar compatriots want to feist off on the Canadian people! If you really wanted to protect Canadians you'd clean up the mess that the immigration department is in! It seems to me that an activist civil service has caused the government to relax its own entry criteria (either through incompetence or intransigence -- and I'd suspect a bit of both)! I'd be more concerned about that than the "activist judiciary" you've been going on about! Canada is not now, nor has it ever been a significant source of arms on the global scene. China and the former Soviet states are by far the primary providers of firearms to regions of conflict. To imply the the Canadian firearms registry and its associated regulations will have any impact on Iraq, or any country -- INCLUDING (and especially) Canada is misleading to say the least. > > Right now what is happening over there is that basically the firearms > that are in circulation in the Middle East and in other areas of > terrorism across the world are automatic weapons that are only effective > at close range. It changes everything for those American soldiers in > Iraq if those American soldiers can be killed at 100 yards, 300 yards or > 500 yards. The type of weapons that the registry is designed to collect > and destroy are long guns that pose an enormous threat to the stability > in the world if they get out of North America. So, the registry is designed to collect and destroy my rifles! I figured as much! Mr. Bryden, I have a number of rifles which are accurate to ranges far beyond the numbers that you state, and neither I, nor my firearms constitute a threat, a problem, nor a danger to anyone. To describe such firearms as justfication for the continued existence of the registry and associated regulations is, to say the least duplicitous. > > So, Mr. Speaker, there are other reasons why the gun registry is very > important but at the very least, everyone in this House and particularly > those members of the opposition who are constantly saying that we should > support the Americans well, I will tell you, Mr. Speaker, we should > certainly support the Americans by putting all the controls on the > distribution and black market collection of long guns. And with this gun > registry that we have here in Canada, at least we will know that if long > guns suddenly turn up in places like Iraq, they will not be coming from > Canada. > If you want to support the Americans, fund the Canadian Military like the once proud forces they were, and get off your chicken-shit Liberal asses and step up to the plate like real men! After all the America bashing your leader and fellow MP's have been guilty of, this last statement is very disappointing. Mr. Bryden you and I know that you are capable of better than this! Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk Oshawa, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:35:54 -0400 From: Bruce Mills Subject: (no subject) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: Idiotic comments by my idiot Lieberal MP On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Bruce's idiot Lieberal MP wrote: > we need to control and destroy long guns that exist in society > that are not being used by proper gun owners, by registered gun > owners. I believe we can expect this sort of thing in the future if the Liberals remain in power and the registry manages to survive. That is, the CFC will eventually start ordering registered gun owners to destroy their firearms if they cannot prove they are using them or have a "need" for them. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:31:55 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to my MP John Bryden Thursday, September 25, 2003 John Bryden, MP House of Commons Room 163, Confederation Building Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 Dear Mr. Bryden: Your comments in the House on Wednesday, September 24th with respect to the Firearms Registry were more nonsensical than usual. Here are the comments you made, from Hansard: "Mr. John Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I will make my remarks short because I know other people want to speak and private members' business is sort of a sacred time and people want to get on. I want just to say that despite the cost overruns of the firearms registry, and I do agree that something went badly wrong, I can tell the member opposite and the person moving this motion that this is one MP that still very much supports the program. Very quickly, Mr. Speaker, the member should put in context what the registry does. What the registry does is it tracks long guns which are capable of killing not only animals at a distance but capable of killing people at a distance. Since September 11 the security situation has so drastically changed that we need to control and destroy long guns that exist in society that are not being used by proper gun owners, by registered gun owners. Because the one thing that we do not want to see in international affairs particularly in countries like Iraq, we do not want to see terrorists acquire guns that can kill people at distances. Right now what is happening over there is that basically the firearms that are in circulation in the Middle East and in other areas of terrorism across the world are automatic weapons that are only effective at close range. It changes everything for those American soldiers in Iraq if those American soldiers can be killed at 100 yards, 300 yards or 500 yards. The type of weapons that the registry is designed to collect and destroy are long guns that pose an enormous threat to the stability in the world if they get out of North America. So, Mr. Speaker, there are other reasons why the gun registry is very important but at the very least, everyone in this House and particularly those members of the opposition who are constantly saying that we should support the Americans well, I will tell you, Mr. Speaker, we should certainly support the Americans by putting all the controls on the distribution and black market collection of long guns. And with this gun registry that we have here in Canada, at least we will know that if long guns suddenly turn up in places like Iraq, they will not be coming from Canada." I didn't know that the Liberal Party was prescient, that in passing the Firearms Act in 1995 would be effective in halting the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, and toppling Hussein's regime in Iraq. I was unaware that such terrorists favour Uncle George's duck hunting shotgun, or deer hunting rifle! If you have any information that they do, please provide me with it. Leaving aside the obvious fallacy that the Firearms Registry can track anything, this has got to be the lamest attempt by your Government to prop up this useless and draconian legislation I have seen to date. At least you got one thing right: "The type of weapons that the registry is designed to collect and destroy are long guns". This is in keeping with Liberal policy, which is to divest the law abiding citizens of their privately owned firearms - something we have known all along. Thank you for going on the record with this. The Federal Liberal Party is so blinded by their ideology on the subject of guns and "Gun Control" that you cannot see that it will be your downfall. As Lord Salisbury, British Prime Minister once said: "The commonest error in politics is clinging to the carcasses of dead policies." Your continued support of this law flies in the face of reason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:53:53 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Gun registry discouraging many hunters from hitting the bush and marsh. THE BRANDON SUN The owner of a Souris gun repair shop says he's seeing fewer hunters visit his business this year. Allan Dodd blames the federal government's much maligned gun registry and licence fee increases for discouraging many hunters from hitting the bush and marsh. "Everybody you talk to says the same thing: they are regulating the sport to death and people are getting sick of it," said Dodd, owner of D5 Gunsmith Shop. http://www.brandonsun.com/index.php?id=3D3205 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:06:02 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: Re: Ethnic Cleansing of Duck Hunters Edward Hudson > Mr Wilson’s hunting partner was prohibited from taking photographs > “during the investigation”, but was allowed to photograph the police > vehicles before the officers departed. "Prohibited from taking photographs during the investigation"???? Excuse me? So you're telling me that if the local television station had a video cameraman or the local paper a photographer at the scene, they also would have been "prohibited" from taking photographs "during the investigation"???? I don't think so. I also don't think the members had any legal authority to order you not to take photographs of the events. While you were practicing some admirable civil disobedience in defence of one right, they snuck right up on you and stole another... Maybe not that important, but that smacks of the camel's nose appearing under the tent to me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:08:18 -0600 (CST) From: awpaob@telus.net Subject: Re: Ethnic Cleansing of Duck Hunters Noted in this Post "Mr Wilson's hunting partner was prohibited from taking photographs "during the investigation", but was allowed to photograph the police vehicles before the officers departed." It would be very educational to know under what part of the criminal code taking photographs in a farmers field of which one has right of access prohibits this. That is assuming the person taking the photographs was not obstructing the investigating officer. AOB "FREEDOM" For those who Fought, Bled and Died For It " FREEDOM " has a FLAVOR THE PROTECTED will Never Know or Savor. Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:09:40 -0600 (CST) From: Fred Hoenisch Subject: OFAH's Municipality gun registry motion This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_ZCZXmfm3LsyB3cSnJY0D+g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT We're seeing these reminders about the value of the CFD, the NFA, and the 'Ottawa Initiative', but what's really been quiet is how many CFD-readers agree with OFAH's Municipality Gun Registry Motion which when summed up encourages "Abandon the Registry and keep the Licensing of C-68." I previously posted my opinion/concerns about this and I know CUFAO (was it Al Muir) has written about it too, but this digest seems to have glossed over this very critical issue. Is it because the rest of the readers believe the licensing aspects of C-68 are acceptable (relative to the registry)? Is it because many have 'bought into' the reasoning behind their proposal? WTF? This is a really scary and damaging proposal OFAH's made (on all our behalf), and we as a community really need to band together now and give OFAH supreme hell for doing this. Is this a boring topic or do we need to expand and have a discussion regarding concerns with OFAH's plan? So I'll ask the question: What scares you most about Firearms Act? The registry or it's licensing aspects? Please include your opinion and details. Yours truly, Fred in Victoria. [Moderator's Note: Please turn off HTML/MIME and/or "quoted-printable" encoding before posting messages to the Digest - plain text only. BNM] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:10:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Yannis Marine" Subject: Re: Firearm Cleaning Question If the cylinder is turning tight from cocking to cocking is not necessary dirty. Check the little hand that turns the cylinder at the ratchet. Some times the slot is wearing out larger and the hand moves sloppy when cocking the hammer, the hand goes sideways and feels like a sticky cylinder, specially on SS revolvers or for the same reason shimming the front of the cylinder will solve the problem. I have a S&W "Highway Patrolman" that has the same problem. Yanni Take your boaters exam online at www.yannismarine.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:33:09 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Hidden Grit hike http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2003/09/25/201852.html Thu, September 25, 2003 Hidden Grit hike Plan to scrap cuts amounts to tax increase: Watchdog By CHRISTINA BLIZZARD, QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU Liberal Leader Dalton McGuinty has already broken the taxpayer protection pledge he signed 12 days ago, according to the head of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF). By not spelling out in detail the Liberals' plan to scrap $865 million in planned personal income tax cuts that kick in Jan. 1, 2004, the Liberals are actually increasing taxes, says CTF's Walter Robinson. "It's very clear, as defined under the law, what they are proposing on the personal income tax side is a tax increase," Robinson said. The Tories have already legislated cuts to low and middle income earners. As well, the surtax which now kicks in at $62,000 of income will be raised to $75,000. Robinson points out that the Liberals have submitted details on their plan to hike corporate and manufacturing taxes to the Chief Election Officer, John Hollins, as required under the Taxpayer Protection Act. But the Liberal leader made only passing mention of the fact that personal income tax levels will stay the same and not go down if he's elected. "He says he's not going to raise personal income tax on working families, when in fact he is," Robinson says. Under the Act, parties that plan tax hikes must submit details of those plans to the CEO prior to the vote. Hollins released letters yesterday in which he acknowledged the detailed Liberal plan to hike corporate taxes and the Tory plan to allow municipalities the ability to tax. But the Liberals' planned cancellation of the personal income-tax cuts is not mentioned in those letters. Robinson has asked Hollins to rule on the matter. "I think ... the public are tuned in to the differences on the two parties on tax cuts," said Liberal finance critic Gerry Phillips. "The public understands the Liberals are the ones that are saying, 'listen, we are not going to raise taxes but we are not going to further decrease them,' " he said. Last night, a Liberal party official said they had gone over their submission with Hollins prior to filing but will be filing an addendum laying out the specific tax rates in detail. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #515 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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