From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #520 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, September 28 2003 Volume 06 : Number 520 In this issue: Re: OHAF position Re: OHAF position Re: C-10 Re: Bruce Mills comments LUFA: Ontario Election Alert Suspect charged Weapons not cause of evil Man charged with gunpoint robbery Mon. ROBBER HOLDS UP ROGERS VIDEO Re: Man pleads guilty to Charest threat Meeting Re: C-10 Mourners get deadly warning Gun used in robbery Charges laid in stab death OK for farmer to shoot his livestock ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:16:57 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: OHAF position Hayes Holdings wrote: > That is why I think it would be worthwhile to change the semantics of > the discussion. By using terms that indicate we understand and possibly > agree with that misperception (people listening to us have no idea > unless we explain it in detail), we give credence to their > misperceptions. Agreed. > If we just approach the discussion from the position that a right to own > property is nothing more than common sense, we can start to take back a > bit of that ground. When people get confused or don't understand, we can > just ask, "don't you think you have a right to own your > property?!?!?!?!?" From there, if they're interested, we can explain the > difference between moral and legal rights, etc. etc. And there were just recently at least two opportunities for us to address this, directly, in Editorials that were posted to the CFD: one from the Montreal Gazette that claims "Gun control is a fine concept" (see the article titled "4 Editorials Slamming the Gun Registry"), and another from the Sault Ste. Marie Star that said "Gun registry was a good idea. It still is." (see "Bury Gun Registry"). > Nothing is going to change over night in this, but why play the game > with their cards (especially when we know they have stacked the deck in > their favour)? True enough. We should be fighting on this front, while fighting to eliminate the Registry and the Firearms Act in general. > I wasn't suggesting a lifetime prohibition. I would totally agree, if > you pay your debt to society, do your time then your slate is clean. > > Of course, that then begs the question of reform. Getting a one day jail > sentence for bashing a person's head in with a pool ball wrapped in a > sock is hardly "doing your time" or "paying your debt to society". This is an entirely different kettle of fish to fry... > ------------------------ > "I would think that if you understood what > Communism was, you would hope, you would > pray on your knees that we would some day > be communists" > --Jane Fonda, 1970 > ------------------------ Hanoi Jane should be shot and pissed on. I hope she rots in hell forever. Traitorous bitch. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:17:37 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: OHAF position loachman@sympatico.ca wrote: > He said "violent criminal". I did say "similar to"... > I agree with him. > > Somebody who's demonstrated a tendency to commit violent crime doesn't deserve > to be trusted, even if he has served his time, for a very, very long time if > ever. In my "perfect world" scenario, if you are too violent to be trusted with a gun, then you're too violent to be out loose on the streets, and should be locked up until you are no longer a danger to society. But that's just my opinion... Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:18:07 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: C-10 Byting Mouse wrote: > Any idea as to when the grandfather clause will take effect for those > under this bill? > > J Robichaud This is one of the regulations that is before the House, and is yet to be debated upon in Committee - if it ever gets there. It may take a month to clear, or longer, or be ammended in the process - in other words, an indeterminate amount of time. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:18:34 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Bruce Mills comments jwt@uwindsor.ca wrote: > Bruce, I posted here a few days back extolling the virtue of LUFA for doing > just that. The president of LUFA has been extremely active in getting > firearms owners out to the provincial meetings in Essex Leamington and > Windsor areas. As one who went to some of these rallies and saw many club > members I can attest to his efforts in that regard. I stand corrected; I overlooked checking their website, at which they have a blurb about the Ontario Election, front and center: http://www.lufa98.ca/ > Perhaps you are > suggesting they be more verbal in the media. I am not so sure that is a > good idea although I may be wrong here) But I can definitely attest to > LUFA's behind the scenes activity to re-elect the conservatives. As for the > others you are quite right, where are they..... Well, not so much the media, but I don't recall seeing much of anything with regards to these meetings and other activities being posted to the CFD... > I would call on all the leaders of these organizations to sign up for the > CFD and regularly post and provide input as to what they are doing. Maybe > through that process we can all choose who we want to follow and put our > support behind them. As a strong supporter and admirer of Al Dorans for his > seemingly untiring efforts to raise money to carry on this fight, it seems > to me that nothing is happening. Not that it is his fault, he certainly has > tried but the money does not seem to be coming in. We need some group to > get us behind them and fight for this. I again call for these groups > NFA,LUFA COUFA and the RFC of Al Dorans to get aboard and give us reasons > to follow you. Actually I must admit I am writing this for my own motives > and have really lost faith that anyone can get us all together ...... but > maybe..... I agree, and comiserate, and hope, along with you. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:18:58 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: LUFA: Ontario Election Alert http://www.lufa.ca/presidentsmessage.asp Election Alert The recent drop in the polls of Mr. Eves’ governing PC party should be of tremendous concern to the firearm’s community as well as all hunters. Should the Liberals form the next government, it would be a major set back to all concerned. Three Ontario based organizations come to mind, OFAH, CSSA, & COHA, that collectively have the ability to determine the winner in a close vote. Publishing the position of the three major parties, as it relates to the firearm’s issue and hoping their membership will get the message is simply not good enough. The leaders of these organizations need to accept the responsibility of their position, use all their resources and make every effort to influence the vote in this important election. They need to make a direct appeal to all contacts including affiliated clubs to ensure all concerned firearm owners, hunters, trappers, etc. are on the same page. With some ten days to go, it is not too late and should Mr. Eves and the PC’s survive with a slim victory, the hunting community can certainly claim credit. This would put these organizations in a great bargaining position for the future and make for a better relationship. Should Mr. Eves enjoy another majority government, I believe a return of the spring bear hunt would not be out of the question. I desperately urge all concerned to accept this important challenge, as the future of hunting has never been more threatened! Wayne Fields President of LUFA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:43:14 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Suspect charged http://www.canoe.ca/CalgaryNews/cs.cs-09-27-0033.html >From Calgary Sun Saturday, September 27, 2003 Suspect charged By MELISSA RIDGEN, CALGARY SUN Calgary cops have nabbed a suspected robber and issued a Canada-wide warrant for another in connection with a pair of holdups last year. On Aug. 10, 2002, shortly after 8 p.m., two men brandished a handgun at the Sunridge Cineplex Odeon movie theatre at 2555 32 St. N.E. and stole the box-office cash. The offenders fled in a getaway vehicle that was driven by a third person. Eight days later, several men broke into the Husky gas station at 4201 Macleod Tr. during the early-morning hours. Once inside, the offenders broke into and stole cash from an ATM and stole money and cigarettes from the station. Prior to leaving, the offenders rigged up a device in a bid to blow up the gas station. Their creation failed and there was no blast. After a lengthy investigation, police have charged Oscar Scott Mendoza, 19, with robbery using a firearm, use of a firearm in the commission of an offence, break and enter, theft, arson and using explosives. Canada-wide warrants for the arrest of a second suspect, Jason Brian Woytuck, 24, have been issued. He has been charged with robbery with a firearm, use of a firearm in the commission of an offence, break and enter, theft, arson, using explosives, and failure to comply with a recognizance. Woytuck is Caucasian, 5-ft.-11, 195 lb., with brown eyes and brown hair with blond highlights. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:43:42 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Weapons not cause of evil http://www.tricitynews.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=74&cat=45&id=115821&more= Weapons not cause of evil The Editor, It would be nice if Lt.-Gen. (retired) Romeo Dallaire were fair with his statements to the students at Coquitlam's Pinetree secondary school ("Children in war zones are pawns: General," page 1, The Tri-City News, Sept. 17). The picture he seems to have painted is that every child has a gun and that we, as Canadians, have a duty to "stop the export of firearms to developing nations." What he doesn't seem to mention is that the Hutu extremists who slaughtered 800,000 Rwandans (including 300,000 children) did not use rifles, but machetes, hoes and other low-tech tools to effect their agenda. Firearms are not the cause of such evil excesses, it is the evil intent of those who seek to control others. If the 800,000 slaughtered Rwandans had had firearms with which to defend themselves, the outcome could very well have been radically different. It would be much better to focus on the evildoers instead of futilely trying to blame the inanimate objects used to do their will. If not, then you might as well try to ban machetes, hoes and other such tools. Bruce N. Mills Dundas, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:52:18 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Man charged with gunpoint robbery Mon. http://www.tricitynews.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=74&cat=23&id=118012&more= >From Coquitlam Tri City News Man charged with gunpoint robbery Mon. Victim was held up on Johnson St., near Barnet By Compiled by Janis Cleugh The Tri-City News A 20-year-old man has been charged in connection with an armed robbery Monday morning on Johnson Street in Coquitlam. Coquitlam RCMP say a 21-year-old employee at the Esso gas station was robbed of his cash at gunpoint at around 11 a.m. The suspect left in a stolen 1991 Plymouth Colt, which was later found two blocks away at the ABC Restaurant at 2773 Barnet Hwy., said Cpl. Cate Galliford. Charged with robbery with a firearm is Willem Mittendorff. Anyone who was in the ABC parking lot between 11 and 11:30 a.m. Monday is asked to call Const. Krahenbil at 604-945-1550. Other crime news: Pellet shooting Three boys face charges of assault with a weapon after two pellet gun shootings in Maillardville this week. Police say a boy riding his bike in a residential sub-division at around 4:30 p.m. Tuesday was shot in the arm. Two girls also were shot in the same area in a separate assault, one in the back, the other on her hip. A 16-year-old and two 17-year-olds were arrested after a neighbourhood search, and a pellet rifle seized. They also face charges of obstructing a police officer and pointing a firearm. Suspect arrested A Pitt Meadows man was arrested for robbery Monday after allegedly threatening a gas station clerk with a syringe and stealing money from her till. Police say the incident happened Sept. 8 at the PetroCanada station at 827 Brunette Ave. when a man walked in and demanded money. He left on a motorcycle with an undisclosed amount of money. The motorcycle was later recovered in New Westminster. The clerk was not hurt, said Cpl. Cate Galliford of Coquitlam RCMP. Charged in connection with the robbery is 36-year-old Robert John Berrigan. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:52:41 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ROBBER HOLDS UP ROGERS VIDEO http://www.canoe.ca/WinnipegNews/ws.ws-09-27-0037.html >From Winnipeg Sun ROBBER HOLDS UP ROGERS VIDEO Police are looking for an armed robber who pulled off an afternoon heist at a Fort Garry video store. A lone man -- brandishing a handgun -- entered Rogers Video at 2855 Pembina Highway about 3:20 p.m. Thursday and robbed the 20-year-old male clerk of an undisclosed amount of money. The bandit fled, leaving the clerk uninjured. The suspect is described as about 6-foot-2, with a skinny build and long straight black hair. He was wearing a black ski mask, a light-blue hoodie with a pouch and dark jeans. Anyone with any information on the suspect is asked to call police at 986-6222. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:30:56 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: Man pleads guilty to Charest threat Hang on, the first time I saw the story the firearm was a replica. In any event that version made me laugh. Some assassin, a toy gun. Very Canadian, I suppose a Canadian born and bred terrorist would set out with 2 sticks of dynamite and 1 snowshoe :-) __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumsit Contract : All Rights Reserved : Without Prejudice __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:32:48 -0600 (CST) From: Maurice Curtis Subject: Meeting This is a reminder and also a verification that RFC Ottawa is not dead and is still active. Of course, support will be greatly appreciated. I have set up this meeting and am waiting to hear of others having done likewise. We are looking forward to incorporation, but we do not need to stagnate. Maurice Curtis 29 September 2003 at 7:30 PM Joshua Bates Center Main Street Athens, Ontario. Speakers will be: Professor Al Dorans, Garry Breitkreuz MP, Bob Runciman MPP (Conservative) and Gord Brown CA Candidate RFC OTTAWA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:33:32 -0600 (CST) From: wrpa Subject: Re: C-10 J Robichaud wrote: >Any idea as to when the grandfather clause will take effect for >those under this bill? Probably not for a month or more. There is no reason the could not have put it into force already. They have put into force other parts of C-10A on two other occasions. They are going to probably wait until all the regulation changes have been dealt with. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:58:22 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Mourners get deadly warning http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-09-28-0008.html >From Edmonton Sun Sunday, September 28, 2003 Mourners get deadly warning Pastor tells shooting victim's funeral: 'It could be you next' By SHANE HOLLADAY, EDMONTON SUN Calling for an end to the bloodshed, the pastor at a funeral for Keith Hunter Raglon - one of two young men gunned down last week - warned mourners it may be them next inside a casket. "Lord, let the young people look into that casket and know that it could be any of you," Pastor C. Francis told a crowd of about 300 mourners at Evergreen Memorial Gardens and Funeral Home, 16204 Fort Rd. "If one of you turns your life around, by the grace of God, his death will not have been in vain." Raglon, 20, died in hospital a week ago today, shortly after being shot around 5 a.m. outside a party at the Athlone Community Centre, 13010 129 St. As the party wound down, he became embroiled in a dispute with another man, who ended the argument by pulling a gun and shooting Raglon multiple times before fleeing. Police continue to hunt the gunman. During yesterday's service, Francis railed against violence in the city's tight-knit Caribbean community, urging members to stop the cycle of carnage that he said is "destroying this community." Sally Hunter, Raglon's mother, his sister Pearl Raglon and his brother Charles Raglon all attended the service that was punctuated by tears but also by smiles as a tribute slide show was played. Doyle Raglon, Keith's father, died of a stroke earlier this year. A family friend in Buddhist attire was also at the ceremony. Raglon was remembered as a young man who was a talented athlete but who lost the chance to fulfil his potential. Images of Raglon showed him as a bright-eyed infant in High Level, then as a young boy playing hockey here in Edmonton. Other photos captured him smiling on trips to Jasper, mugging for the camera with family and friends, and growing into the man he was before he died. One photograph captures him hanging out with pal Julian Wright, who died in a hail of bullets as he sat in his parked car in north Edmonton Sept. 19, 2002, at the age of 20. The hall party where Raglon was slain was held to commemorate Wright's death. The final picture was of Raglon in Jasper this year, before a dazzling waterfall, standing near the edge of a precipice. In his eulogy, family friend Trevor Stewart said Raglon ought to be remembered for his talents, "his politeness, and his respectfulness." "I want you to remember Keith as the most talented person in the world, but he never got a chance to use his talents," he said. "Keith met his death as he lived his life, protecting the ones he loved and cared for." Stewart urged those gathered at the service to remember Raglon for the man he was, but also not to ignore the circumstances of his death. "What happens to one of us happens to us all. The violence must stop. Do not let his death be a waste." A Canada-wide warrant was issued for Shaun Darren Toon, 22, in connection with Raglon's death. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:58:53 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Gun used in robbery http://www.thebramptonguardian.com/br/news/newsbriefs/story/1378670p-1624114c.html >From Brampton Guardian Sunday, September 28th, 2003 Gun used in robbery A gas station employee had a gun held to her side as she was robbed by two bandits at the Pioneer Gas Bar on Queen Street E. The 50-year-old woman was working at the station when two men pushed open the employees' door and burst into the kiosk. One pointed the silver handgun at her and pushed her into a corner while the men opened the cash register and grabbed some money. The pair escaped in a dark coloured vehicle, possibly an SUV, according to Peel police. The woman was not injured. The suspect armed with the handgun is described as male, black, between 18 and 30 years, 5-foot-6, with a medium build, short dreadlocks, wearing dark clothes. He spoke with an accent. The second suspect is described as male, black, 5-foot-5, with a stocky build, wearing a dark sweatshirt and winter hat. Anyone with information is asked to call Peel police, Central Robbery Bureau, at 905-453-3311, ext. 7455, or Peel Crime Stoppers anonymously at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:59:17 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Charges laid in stab death http://www.canoe.ca/CalgaryNews/cs.cs-09-28-0013.html >From Calgary SUn Sunday, September 28, 2003 Charges laid in stab death Cops nab suspects in separate cases By PABLO FERNANDEZ, CALGARY SUN Breakthroughs for police investigators on a number of recent violent crimes have prompted cops to lay charges in connection with a murder and an attempted murder. Homicide investigators made their way to Kelowna yesterday, where a Canada-wide warrant resulted in the arrest by that city's RCMP of Donald James Wadden. Wadden is wanted in connection with the Sept. 10 stabbing death of 41-year-old Geoffrey John Mag. "Members of the homicide unit will be travelling to Kelowna to interview Wadden over the weekend and to escort him back to Calgary for a court appearance," said Insp. Rene Bailly. Wadden is charged with second-degree murder. On Friday, a suspect wanted for shooting a man in the chest Sept. 3 outside the Clubhouse Restaurant was arrested in the Bowness area without incident. The gunshot wound left a 41-year-old man with potentially life-threatening injuries after an altercation in the restaurant's parking lot got out of hand. David Allen Cluett has been charged with one count of attempted murder using a firearm and one count of possession of a firearm and ammunition contrary to a court order. Homicide investigators continue to look for clues on the murder of Clifford Mills Trusty, whose charred remains were found Sept. 13 in a burned-out basement room at his southeast home. Police haven't said how Clifford, 62 -- Calgary's 8th homicide victim of the year -- died. Clifford's son Shawn, 21, was arrested two days after his father's death when he tried to cross into the U.S. from Quebec. Shawn is still in custody in connection with unrelated warrants, said Brown. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:59:48 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: OK for farmer to shoot his livestock http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-09-28-0017.html >From Edmonton SUn Sunday, September 28, 2003 OK for farmer to shoot his livestock By LORI COOLICAN, EDMONTON SUN A Grande Prairie-area bison producer who reportedly shot his entire 27-head herd was within his rights to do so - and he probably isn't the first to consider such a drastic step, says a fellow farmer. "There's nothing wrong with people shooting their animals if they can't afford to feed them. It's better than letting them starve to death," Richard Harpe, a councillor with the County of Grande Prairie, said yesterday. "It's a desperate situation, there's no doubt about it. I'm a farmer and I know ... every day you have an animal in the yard that you can't sell, it's costing you money to feed it." Harpe said he expects some other bison producers are at least considering the same drastic action. "I don't know how serious it is yet, but people are getting frustrated," he said. A spokesman for the Alberta Bison Commission said this week that the unknown producer is under investigation by the Alberta SPCA, though no charges have been laid because the rancher claims he had no way to feed his herd over the winter and was acting humanely. Harpe said the bison industry was sustained for several years by a demand for breeding stock, but prices fell once that demand had been satisfied because no market had been developed for the meat. The closure of borders after a single Alberta cow was diagnosed with mad cow this year only made matters worse. The Grande Prairie producer's situation is an "unfortunate" sign of what happens when people try to create a market for non-traditional meat, said Rod Dyck, past president of the Alberta Fish and Game Association. "(It's) the same situation we've got with the elk farmers ... (and) the same as the ostrich farmers years ago. They made lots of money off the breeding stock and then there was no market for them when everybody had them, and now they don't know what to do with them." There is already an existing market for red-meat products, Dyck said, "and every time we bring in a new type of species to add to it, whether it's game-farmed elk or buffalo or whatever, all we do is compete against traditional ones and somebody has to get hurt. 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