From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #525 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, September 29 2003 Volume 06 : Number 525 In this issue: Lethal loopholes Re: hate laws Grits get cocky Toronto still the good, citizens claim Etobicoke battles dope, sex trade Provinces push Ottawa to crack down on crime Cops investigate three stabbings in same night Sun tips nab five bad guys My seatbelt choice and risk Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #522 Re: Fw: DCRA Re: hate laws Re: My seatbelt choice and risk ALLIANCE QUESTIONS LIBERAL PRIORITIES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:17:15 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Lethal loopholes http://www.canoe.ca/CalgarySun/editorial.html Calgary Sun Editorial September 29 Lethal loopholes The Supreme Court of Canada has decided dangerous criminals aren't getting a fair shake. In a 9-0 ruling, the justices have laid down the law that no matter how many crimes an individual committed against innocent people, lower court judges must pay more attention to the possibility of rehabilitation -- rather than hand out indefinite sentences for those who have already shown they plan to follow a life of crime indefinitely themselves. We'll bet the 321 inmates now serving indefinite terms in prisons because of their non-stop crime sprees are already dialing up their lawyers to have their cases reviewed. Naturally, we taxpayers will be footing their legal bills. Calgary-area MPs Art Hanger and Grant Hill are right to be appalled by this decision. Surely an individual who has repeatedly committed offences and has repeatedly shown no form of deterrent other than being behind bars works deserves to remain behind bars indefinitely. As Hill put it: "Why don't they have halfway houses next to the judges' homes?" Of course, no Supreme Court justice would live next to a halfway house bulging at the seams with criminals on parole. Why do some authorities insist on continuing to mollycoddle criminals? And why are the lives and homes of innocent Canadians always of secondary concern when it comes to the legal system? We say legal system, because there is rarely any justice in it. Coincidentally, the Supreme Court came down on the side of the namby-pamby crowd, just as parents in Okotoks were protesting another quirk in our nation's ragtag legal system. That loophole allows two convicted pedophiles to move anonymously into a community full of young children. Incredibly, the pedophiles are considered more deserving fair treatment than parents and children. Authorities have refused to release the names of these two loathsome individuals to protect their safety and rights. No one in authority apparently cares about the rights of husbands and wives, sons and daughters. The Supreme Court decision on indefinite sentences follows any number of other court decisions which have enraged Canadians across the nation. It's time we had more men and women sitting on the bench who thought more about justice and less about legal niceties. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:17:45 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: hate laws On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, ross wrote: > We as gun owners then must also be an identifiable group as we are > also being smothered in hateful propoganda which demonises us. > Could this not work for us as well? Nope. The term "identifiable group" is not used in the hate law legislation. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:58:58 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Grits get cocky http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2003/09/29/212032.html Mon, September 29, 2003 Grits get cocky McGuinty and Liberals waving off critics in airy-fairy fashion By CHRISTINA BLIZZARD Right now, the predicament for the Tories is akin to that of passengers on a runaway train. They know there's a train wreck coming. They're either bracing for the crash or looking for ways to throw themselves out the window. Either way, it's every cabinet minister for him or herself. It's all over, bar the crying. As far as the Liberals are concerned, they are learning the art of government quickly. At least the Tories waited until they became government to get arrogant. Liberal Leader Dalton McGuinty and some of his attack dogs, meanwhile, could put Marie Antoinette to shame when it comes to disdain for the hoi polloi. For the past week, reporters have been pushing McGuinty to tell us which programs he will cut first if he discovers the deficit is larger than he has budgeted. McGuinty said he won't hike taxes, he'll slow down implementing his platform if there's a deficit. (Actually, under the definition of tax hike in the Taxpayer Protection Act, he will hike taxes by not implementing legislated cuts to low and middle income earners Jan. 1. But that's another column.) McGuinty has been asked on numerous occasions to tell us which programs he'll cut. He's refused to say. In fact, when I pressed him last week on this, he actually turned his back on me and refused to answer. And it's fair enough to do that if you are in opposition. But you can't do that when you're a hair's breadth away from forming a government, which McGuinty is, according to all the polls. At some point, he has to come down from the mountain and tell the people what he will scrap. Will it be his plan to cap class sizes? Or will he only hire 1,000 nurses and not the 8,000 he has promised? These are important questions and he shouldn't wave off critics in this airy-fairy fashion. GRIT ARROGANCE The Grit arrogance is even apparent among the rank-and-file MPPs. No doubt salivating at the idea that he will make it to cabinet, even George Smitherman is getting uppity. (I'm not sure, though, just what cabinet post you'd give him. The Minister for Saying Silly Things? Windsor MPP Sandra Pupatello, of course, gets the coveted Minister for Dwarf Protection, in light of her spirited attack on dwarf-tossing at a Windsor strip club.) At a scrum last week, Smitherman said I was talking, "rubbish," for pushing him to say just where the Liberals were going with policies. Specifically, he was being asked what changes would be made to the Special Investigations Unit, especially in light of published comments by retiring cop union chief Craig Bromell that the Liberals planned changes to the Police Act by which cops could be suspended without pay or fired if they don't cooperate with the SIU. When pushed by Sun Queen's Park Bureau Chief Antonella Artuso to tell reporters what changes the Liberals were planning to the SIU, Smitherman danced around the question. He didn't come right out and say there would be no changes. He simply said that any changes would be made in consultation with all parties involved. 'SPECULATING' "We think that it's critically important that any future changes with respect to anything like the SIU be done only in consultation with all of the parties affected," Smitherman said, which leads to speculation that the Liberals are planning changes. Smitherman said Bromell was simply "speculating," and said he'd received a lot of calls from the spouses of cops after his comments. I'll bet. "The Liberal Party will be making policy and Craig Bromell isn't the spokesperson for us on these matters," Smitherman said. Phew, that doesn't sound like consultation with all parties to me. Artuso pointed out that Smitherman had in the same scrum speculated on Tory health-care policy, so why was it unfair to ask him questions about Bromell's speculation. Then I pointed out that these things are supposed to be discussed during elections, so we all know what we're voting for. That's when Smitherman got nasty. "Rubbish," he yelled at me. Well, I don't think so. I think police officers have the right to know what their working conditions will be like under a Liberal government. It was only then that Smitherman said that the Liberals have no plans to change the SIU. Let them eat cake? I don't think so. Let Smitherman eat crow, more like. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:59:21 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Toronto still the good, citizens claim http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2003/09/29/212019.html Mon, September 29, 2003 Toronto still the good, citizens claim By Rob Granatstein, Toronto Sun Torontonians said violent crime is on the rise in the city, but still say this is a safe place to live. Eighty-one percent of respondents to the Toronto Sun/Leger Marketing poll said Toronto is somewhat or very safe, a total almost identical to last year. "People are comfortable going out at night in Toronto," Dave Scholz, vice-president of Leger Marketing, said. "They feel they won't be a victim. We think violent crime is increasing but it's not going to affect us." 905 NOT SURE The poll found 905 residents were less sure of their safety in the big city, with 24% rating it unsafe, compared to 13% of those living in the 416 area code. "The 905ers always feel Toronto is less safe," Scholz said. Women and those over 50 said violent crime in Toronto has increased a lot (38% and 45% respectively). Overall, 35% said crime had increased a little. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:59:55 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Etobicoke battles dope, sex trade Surely they aren't advocating "vigilantism", are they? http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2003/09/29/212024.html Mon, September 29, 2003 Etobicoke battles dope, sex trade Prostitutes plague T.O. neighbourhood By TOM GODFREY, Toronto Sun Irate south Etobicoke residents and businessmen have banded together to fight prostitutes, pimps and drug dealers who are plaguing their neighbourhood. Residents have collected several hundred names on petitions calling for police to remove the undesirables who've set up shop on Lake Shore Blvd. W., from Kipling Ave. to Brown's Line. "Things have gotten so bad that residents are afraid to approach the area," said Dietmar Lein, president of the Long Branch Business Improvement Area (LBBIA). "Shopkeepers are being intimidated by these people." Lein said customers are starting to bypass the area, even though the LBBIA has spent more than $100,000 to beautify the neighbourhood. "The prostitutes are here day and night," he said. "We want our community back." Lein said his group is working to have payphones in the area removed or blocked from incoming calls. Residents said they've repeatedly complained to Toronto police, who occasionally round up some of the riff-raff. Insp. Bruce Crawford, of 22 Division, said the prostitutes and drug dealers return to the area hours after their arrest. "Prostitutes are an issue in the area," Crawford said. "Once they're released by us, they go right back." He said the force does not have enough resources to station officers full time in the area. "The community has to be more vigilant," Crawford said. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:00:16 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Provinces push Ottawa to crack down on crime http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2003/09/29/212100.html Provinces push Ottawa to crack down on crime Organized crime and a sex-offender registry are among hot topics as ministers meet today. MONTREAL -- Ottawa will be pushed to get tough on child killers and police murderers when provincial and territorial justice ministers get together with their federal counterpart near Quebec City this week. Convicted sex offenders would also face closer scrutiny under a proposal by Justice Minister Martin Cauchon, who says there is a provincial consensus in favour of a national sex-offender registry. Federal Solicitor-General Wayne Easter has said legislation creating the registry could be passed before Christmas if justice ministers maintain their consensus at this week's meeting. The registry proposal has been criticized by some opposition MPs who complain it won't include the names of those convicted before the legislation is adopted. Nova Scotia Justice Minister Michael Baker said Friday he wants convicted offenders no longer in jail also included on the list. "The people of Nova Scotia deserve this added level of protection," Baker said in a statement. "And police need the most accurate information to ensure that protection." The provincial and territorial ministers are to meet in La Malbaie, Que., today, a day ahead of a two-day meeting with Cauchon and Easter. Cauchon may face pressure from at least two provinces that want Ottawa to get tougher on killers. Manitoba Justice Minister Gord Mackintosh demanded last week Ottawa eliminate parole for police killers and double, to 10 years, the maximum sentence for those who assault police. Mackintosh's Alberta counterpart, Dave Hancock, has demanded an automatic life sentence for anyone who kills a child aged 14 and under. Hancock's proposal calls for a separate homicide charge for the killing of a child. The Crown automatically lays first-degree murder counts when the slaying -- irrespective of whether it is planned or deliberate -- involves an on-duty police officer, a prison warden or other jail employees and other Crown peace officers. The challenges of prosecuting organized criminals, including biker-gang members, will also be on the agenda at the ministers' meeting. The issue has recently come to the fore as Quebec grapples with massive trials that followed raids on the Hells Angels and associates in 2001. Questions about the mega-trial process were raised when one trial had to be restarted from scratch after the judge abruptly stepped down. Alberta will push this week for a common front against organized crime, including a joint federal-provincial strategy to deal with gangs. Other issues on the agenda include reforms to modernize drug legislation, anti-child pornography measures, a missing-persons index based on DNA and improved legal-aid benefits. Copyright © The London Free Press 2001,2002,2003 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:03:34 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Cops investigate three stabbings in same night Knives and cars seem to be the "weapons of choice" of criminals these days - it must be time for a knife and car registry... http://www.canoe.ca/WinnipegNews/ws.ws-09-29-0029.html Monday, September 29, 2003 Cops investigate three stabbings in same night By Staff Cops are investigating three separate stabbing incidents on a busy Saturday night. Officers found a 26-year-old man in a home on Salter Street suffering from a stab wound to the chest, said duty Insp. Brant Bishop. Paramedics took the victim to Health Sciences Centre for treatment. Officers also found a man bleeding from a stab wound to the head at an address in the 300 block of Manitoba Avenue. Bishop said police don't believe the violence took place at the house, but the victim made his way there before calling 911. No arrests have been made in connection with the two non-life threatening incidents. A third stabbing took place in the East Kildonan area. The victim was treated and released and cops made one arrest. Bishop said the investigations were ongoing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:04:05 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Sun tips nab five bad guys http://www.canoe.ca/WinnipegNews/ws.ws-09-29-0036.html Monday, September 29, 2003 Sun tips nab five bad guys By Bob Holliday Another five people have learned that while it's possible to stay one step ahead of the law, it's not always possible to escape sharp-eyed Winnipeg Sun readers. Five more scofflaws were nabbed because of tips supplied to CrimeStoppers by our readers. Rueben Beardy, 24, is charged with assault causing bodily harm after a man assaulted his former girlfriend. Police allege the man broke into the woman's home July 26 and discovered she was with a friend. Despite the woman holding her two-year-old child, she was punched several times in the facial area. Shawn Beauchamp, 20, is charged with break, enter and theft. On July 15, three men knocked on the door of a North End residence. When the men learned the male resident wasn't home, they slashed the female and stole several items. The victim's life was threatened before the men left. Roslynn Marie Bittern, 19, is charged with assault with a weapon after a man was smacked over the head with an ashtray and beaten across the hands with a 2x4. Released on a promise to appear in court, Bittern did not show for her court date. Norbert Dale Courchene, 26, is charged with robbery, break, enter and commit assault, and breach of probation. On July 13, a woman was punched in the head and her house keys were stolen. Courchene has several other warrants out for his arrest, say police. Kirk Elliot Diamond, 23, is charged with break, enter and theft. On Aug. 23, a man broke into his girlfriend's residence by removing the screen from a second-storey window. Once inside, the man is alleged to have stolen several video games valued at $500. David Eric Grandy, 22, is wanted on a Canada-wide warrant for parole violation. Released on full parole with six months remaining on a three-year term for armed robbery, a warrant was issued Aug. 23, when Grandy failed to return to his halfway house. Ian Willard Greene, 18, is wanted on a Canada-wide warrant for parole violation. Released after serving two-thirds of a two-year, six-month sentence for armed robbery and assault, Greene violated his parole on July 23 when he failed to report to his parole officer. Tamara Michelle Pelletier, 34, is wanted on a charge for armed robbery. Last November a man and a woman threatened a female toy-store clerk with a knife and stole a small amount of cash. Released on bail, Pelletier failed to appear for her court date. Gerald Wesley Smith, 24, is charged with robbery after a man was beaten with a hammer and robbed of a silver bracelet. Held captive for several hours, the victim's life was threatened by the suspects, say police. David Brian Thompson, 44, is wanted on a Canada-wide warrant for parole violation. Released after serving two-thirds of a six-year sentence for sexual interference and sexual assault, Thompson's parole was revoked Aug. 20, when he failed to return to a halfway house. Touny Vilaivanh, 21, is charged with robbery, use a firearm and possession for the purpose of trafficking. On Aug. 5, two men blocked a vehicle near Elgin Avenue and Cecil Street. While one man blocked the roadway, the other man pulled the driver out of the vehicle while holding a shotgun to his head. There are five other warrants issued for Vilaivanh's arrest. CrimeStoppers will pay $150 for information leading to the arrest of anyone listed on this page. All calls to 786-8477 are confidential. CrimeStoppers does not subscribe to call display, or call trace. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:04:31 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My seatbelt choice and risk http://www.canoe.ca/WinnipegSun/editorial.html Winnipeg Sun Letter to the Editor September 29, 2003 My seatbelt choice and risk The Doer government has decided that it will be an offence as of Nov. 1 to not be wearing a seatbelt. I do not wear a seatbelt, and this is a matter of my own choice. Wearing a seatbelt will not alter my five-merit driving habits. Furthermore, wearing a seatbelt will have no outcome on my awareness and alertness while driving at any given time. In essence, I increase my own physical chances of harm and risk greater injury should I choose not to wear a seatbelt; nobody else's. I am not likely to be involved in an accident as a result of not wearing a seatbelt, in comparison to someone who speeds. Will this new seatbelt law be applied to transit drivers, ambulance drivers, police officers, motorcyclists? When will demerits be issued to those using cellphones while driving; a definite distraction that reduces motor awareness and alertness? How about to those blasting their CD/radio so loud that they are unable to move out of the way because they did not hear the ambulance coming up behind them, rushing to save someone's life? It's nice to see that the Doer government has its priorities straight, and is willing to ante up all the money required to fight the constitutional challenges that will be forthcoming. Big Brother is watching, again! Bryan Ezako Winnipeg Your choice may cause indirect harm to others, especially young people in your orbit, by encouraging such recklessness. But you are right about cellphones. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:52:57 -0600 (CST) From: David M Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #522 > From: Barry Glasgow > Subject: Gun registry editorials almost get it right. > Australia is seeing the same effect and New Zealand is considering > dropping their registry . New Zealand abandoned its long gun registry in 1981. Handguns and MSSA's are registered and there are no plans to do away with that requirement even though it is of no real use. There are only a little over 2000 licenced handgun owners in NZ and they are subject to such onerous restrictions that the sport of pistol shooting may just die a natural death because so few people are willing to put up with the needless bureaucracy. I think I am right in saying that not a single crime has been committed using a legally owned handgun in this country. Meanwhile there are a number of people in our government who are so ideologically blind or just plain stupid that they are seeking to reintroduce registration for long guns citing Canada as an example of a country where it is achieving real benefits in public safety, I kid you not!! It should be noted that NZ has a high rate of firearms ownership per capita and an exceptionally low rate of firearms crime. David. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:54:08 -0600 (CST) From: JP Poulin Subject: Re: Fw: DCRA On 9/29/2003 10:46 -0500, Tom Falls wrote: > Just surfing the DCRA website and under patrons it has both the Vice > Patron - the Prime Minister - and the Honourary President - the MND - as > "not accepted". I wondered when they would not accept. Unless there is some discrepancy, political correctness has now progressed further. LOL. JP Poulin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:54:49 -0600 (CST) From: JP Poulin Subject: Re: hate laws On 9/29/2003 11:43 -0500, ross wrote: > New hate law which prohibits the dissemination of hate about gays is quite > a big step. > We as gun owners then must also be an identifiable group as we are also > being smothered in hateful propoganda which demonises us. Could this not > work for us as well? Big difference. Gays are a prefered group by this government, we're not. It's acceptable now that the gay lifestyle is an option, not some mental disorder or sin. However, owning a gun is looked down upon and thought of as anti-social and bordering on criminal behaviour. Guns are just not acceptable in todays society, therefore, the constant barrage of laws against them are inevitable. Welcome, to the new age of think/speak. JP Poulin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:48 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: My seatbelt choice and risk > Your choice may cause indirect harm to others, especially young > people in your orbit, by encouraging such recklessness. But you are > right about cellphones. Actually what it does is increase the burden on the health care system. In an accident, unbuckled drivers tend to have more severe injuries and require longer hospital stays and extensive rehabilitation. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:59:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: ALLIANCE QUESTIONS LIBERAL PRIORITIES House of Commons Debates Monday, September 29, 2003 ORAL QUESTION PERIOD Unedited copy - not official until printed in Hansard * * * =B8 (1430) Mr. Vic Toews (Provencher, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, in 1997 the same Liberal justice minister who said the billion dollar gun registry would only cost $2 million also promised Canadians that he would crack down on dangerous offenders by imposing tougher sentences. Not surprisingly last Friday the Supreme Court of Canada told us that his changes in the law actually made it easier for dangerous criminals to avoid prison. When will the Liberal justice minister bring forward legislation that protects the public by keeping dangerous offenders behind bars? Mr. Paul Harold Macklin (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the Criminal Code is composed of a mosaic of ways in which we deal with our criminals. Within that, the dangerous offender category has been very helpful. What the Supreme Court said is that our approach to dangerous offenders is lawful and proper and we are going to continue to use it. Mr. Vic Toews (Provencher, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, it is not a mosiac. It is a kaleidoscope and he is looking at the wrong end. The government supports an open door policy of house arrest for drug dealers, rapists and child molesters. Danger offenders must be held in custody in order to protect the public from these predators. Why does the government continue to pour hundreds of millions of dollars into a failed gun registry instead of passing laws and providing resources to police that would actually keep dangerous offenders in jail? Mr. Paul Harold Macklin (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I believe that the Supreme Court has been very clear and it said that it was lawful and proper for us to use the dangerous offender category. What it did set out was for the courts ways and means of approaching this and how to deal with it within the court system. We believe in that and it is very important and vital that we use the dangerous offender category to protect our citizens. * * * * * * Mr. Monte Solberg (Medicine Hat, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, the finance minister admitted last week that the government will be reneging in its $2 billion health care promise to the provinces. He says he does not have the money. Would the finance minister explain why his government is on a $5.5 billion government wide spending spree in the supplementary estimates, but it cannot keep a $2 billion health care promise to the provinces? Hon. John Manley (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I guess the member's amorous mood of last week has worn off. I even said I liked him last week. It got lost in the orchard or something on the way here. Neither of the statements is true. First of all, we are not reneging on any promise that we made. We are fulfilling our promise to the letter of the promise. Second, the estimates did not disclose a $5 billion excess. In fact, we are below the amounts estimated in the budget for spending this year. =B8 (1420) Mr. Monte Solberg (Medicine Hat, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, this issue is bigger than the minister and I. This is about priorities. The government announced $5.5 billion in new spending, $1.1 billion in new grants for departments such as Canadian heritage and human resources development; $10 million more for the failed firearms registry; $28 million for Communications Canada, the father of the scandals that have occurred involving sponsorships. Would the minister explain why funding these boondoggles is a higher priority for the government than providing health care funding for Canadians? Hon. John Manley (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, if he is so confused, I do not know, perhaps we can try to help him out outside the House but I can tell him that with the main and supplementary estimates that have been tabled so far, in fact our spending is about $5 billion below that estimated at the time of the budget in February. Now, of course, we have not completed the year and there will be other supplementary estimates. In fact, we are doing quite well in terms of following our fiscal plan and meeting the targets that we set. 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