From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #542 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, October 4 2003 Volume 06 : Number 542 In this issue: Teen pulls fake handgun on transit cop during metro melee Vancouver police conduct subject of police probe Eleven students arrested in Montreal ruckus What counter-revolution? Groups shoot down Metis hunting harvest A brand new idea in South Africa CFD 541 Stupid statements - Canadian Commanders in Kabul A cautionary tale about heavily armed goofballs Expanded hunting opportunities in Bancroft district SIU Investigates Firearm Death in Sudbury SIU probes man's death ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:09:24 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Teen pulls fake handgun on transit cop during metro melee http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/story.asp?id=134486FD-F859-4331-9396-E14DF5ADC4FE Teen pulls fake handgun on transit cop during métro melee Montreal police called in for backup forced to call in more backup after students swarm SIDHARTHA BANERJEE The Gazette Saturday, October 04, 2003 Eight students spent the day in detention with police investigators instead of in the classroom, arrested yesterday after one pulled a fake 9mm handgun on métro security on a packed platform at Jolicoeur métro station. The 17-year-old boy took out the plastic firearm, modified to look real, police said, and pulled the trigger once before guards took him down, transit guards union spokesperson Jean-Guy Sabourin said. "When he pulled the trigger, the agents didn't know if he'd just misfired or if the bullet was jammed," said Sabourin, a sergeant with the 170-member métro police force that patrols the city's subway system. The trouble began at about 8:30 a.m. when transit security was called to the Jolicoeur platform where about 50 kids were allegedly causing a ruckus on the platform. When six transit cops moved in to disperse the crowd, things got out of hand. Some started yelling at the agents and the assault occurred, Constable Miguel Alston of the Montreal police said. Transit security had to call for backup from Montreal police, who in turn had to call for back-up themselves after police were swarmed outside the métro station. Jolicoeur métro station, located near the corner of Drake and Jolicoeur Sts. in Ville Émard, has become problematic of late, transit guards said yesterday. There is a school for troubled teens nearby and transit cops have had to deal in recent weeks with a number of fights and assaults. "It's only bad at certain hours of the day, particularly the rush hour," said Sabourin. "There have been a number of minor incidents, but a 9mm handgun is a little out of the ordinary." The 17-year-old with the gun faces a charge of carrying an illegal weapon, assault with a weapon and impeding police work. sbanerjee@thegazette.canwest.com © Copyright 2003 Montreal Gazette ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:09:48 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Vancouver police conduct subject of police probe http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031004/UNATSM-1/TPNational/Briefs Vancouver police conduct subject of police probe Saturday, October 4, 2003 - Page A8 Vancouver -- Police complaint commissioner Dirk Ryneveld has ordered a public hearing into the conduct of two Vancouver police officers as police tried to quell a disturbance after the cancellation of a Guns N' Roses concert in November. While some youths rioted and smashed glass doors, other disappointed fans said they were simply trying to leave when some police officers allegedly bashed them with riot sticks. Two individuals subsequently filed complaints under the B.C. Police Act, charging that they suffered injuries from "unnecessary and excessive force" used by police. Rod Mickleburgh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:10:18 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Eleven students arrested in Montreal ruckus http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031004/UNATSM-3/TPNational/Briefs Eleven students arrested in Montreal ruckus Saturday, October 4, 2003 - Page A8 Montreal -- Police seized a toy gun they said was modified to look like the real thing after 11 students were arrested at a subway station in Montreal yesterday after allegedly causing a disturbance. Officers also seized a knife at the Jolicoeur station, southwest of downtown, police said. The Montreal Transit Corporation said a group of about 50 students became rowdy about and six transit security officers stepped in when one of the students pulled out the toy gun and another pulled out a knife. CP ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:10:41 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: What counter-revolution? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031004/EONTARIO04/Comment/Idx What counter-revolution? Globe and Mail Editorial Saturday, October 4, 2003 - Page A22 Even before the vote counting was finished on Thursday, the pundits were declaring that a counterrevolution had taken place in Ontario. Out were the mean old Tories with their slash-and-burn assault on government. In were the Liberals with their positive message, inclusive style and affection for government. Clearly, the Conservatives and their Common-Sense Revolution had been repudiated. "Across Ontario," trumpeted the Toronto Star, "voters cast their ballots yesterday for change -- a dramatic change from the politics of divisiveness and of slashing budgets for education, health care, public transit and the environment as practised since 1995 by the Conservative governments of Mike Harris and Ernie Eves." Hold on now: Is that what voters really did? Ontarians didn't elect Che Guevara to replace Ernie Eves as premier. They elected Dalton McGuinty, a moderate from the political centre who promised there would be no budget deficits and no household tax increases. Yes, Mr. McGuinty said he would reinvest in health care, education and other public services. But, then, so did the Tories. Though the Harris and Eves governments certainly reined in public spending to try to balance the books, spending actually rose from about $54-billion to about $70-billion during their eight years in office -- hardly slash and burn. Health-care spending alone rose $11-billion. If Thursday's vote in Ontario was a repudiation of anything, it was of the inept and wavering administration run by Mr. Eves. The pundits notwithstanding, a majority of Ontarians backed the Conservatives when they tried to clean up the budget after the drunken-sailor overspending of the Bob Rae NDP government, which ran consecutive deficits of $10-billion a year and more. Most people liked the Conservatives' decision to trim taxes, too. If they hadn't liked all of this, they would have thrown out Mr. Harris when he first came up for re-election in 1999. Instead, they re-elected him with a healthy majority. But times change. When Mr. McGuinty promised to improve public services, he struck a chord. There is a broad feeling in the province that, as necessary as the tax and spending cuts of the 1990s may have been, it is time to improve hospitals, schools and other basics that are showing signs of decay. There is also a feeling that, welcome as the Tory tax cuts may have been, further deep cuts should probably be delayed until those services can be brought up to scratch. But none of that is a rebuke to the Common-Sense Revolution. Most thinking Ontarians understand that the provincial government badly needed the sharp shot of realism that was administered by the Tories, as painful as it might have been. It is just that, now, in different times, they want a different approach. But not too different. They may not want revolution, but they still want common sense. Those who would misinterpret the Liberal victory should remember that. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:11:06 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Groups shoot down Metis hunting harvest http://www.saultstar.com/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=45107&catname=Local+News Groups shoot down Metis hunting harvest Could further ‘decimate’ moose population, says conservationist By FRANK DOBROVNIK Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 09:00 Local News - As the first blush of victory fades for Metis hunters, conservation groups are beginning to express concerns about the effects of an unregulated harvest. “Unregulated hunting is a bad thing for our resources,” said Steve Elliott, president of the St. Joseph Island Hunters and Anglers Association. “Nature is a delicate balance and to have another group of hunters out there . . .” Elliott echoes issues brought up by the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters in the wake of the historic decision by the Supreme Court of Canada, affirming aboriginal hunting rights to the Metis community. Previously, only First Nations members were allowed to hunt unlicensed and out of season. This has “decimated” moose populations locally, he said. “First Nations have been unregulated and our moose population has been decimated because of it — and this is just going to add pressure.” It also resulted in Ontario’s Ministry of Natural Resources not issuing moose tags to non-aboriginal hunters in certain areas, such as the Algonquin region, this year because of low populations. Such “priority allocation” — giving first dibs to aboriginal hunters — should “not mean exclusivity,” said Greg Farrant, the federation's government relations and communications manager. “We’re very concerned this will become the widespread situation, which in essence will mean that non-aboriginal hunters will not be able to hunt anywhere.” Although federation members “very much respect the decision of the Supreme Court” and the process of priority allocation, Farrant called on the provincial government to also address the need for allocations to non-aboriginal hunters. “There has to be sharing of resources.” Of primary importance is conservation, the Peterborough-based organization says. “The bottom line has to be that conservation of the resource is the final arbiter of whether or not tags are issued and how many are issued. Any tag system has to provide for perpetuation of the resource,” Farrant said. The Ontario government, with support from the federal attorney general and seven other provinces, voiced fears big-game stocks could be threatened if the Metis won special hunting rights. OFAH was also among the interveners challenging Steve and Rod Powley, the Sault Ste. Marie men originally charged with killing a moose without a licence. The Metis Nation of Ontario, which largely bankrolled the Powleys’ 10-year legal battle, has maintained conservation has always been a priority. In the two years since the Ontario Court of Appeal directed the province to change its laws to recognize Metis have aboriginal hunting rights, the MNR has accepted MNO-issued harvester certificates. The certificates, vetted by each region’s “Captain of the Hunt,” ensure sustainable conservation methods are followed, said MNO president Tony Belcourt. Captains of the Hunt are a “critical line of communication” between the MNO and harvesters, who pledge they have “knowledge of firearm safety, they have knowledge of harvesting practices and agree to abide by it,” Belcourt said. Harvesting practices include hunting outside the Sault Ste. Marie area, where Belcourt agreed moose populations are threatened. But he said everyone needs to take responsibility for natural resources, including the MNR. The Ottawa-based MNO doesn’t have the resources to do moose counts, and Belcourt called on the government to share information and begin consultations with Metis in earnest. “We’ve said to the MNR for years we’d really like to work with you on this whole issue — where the moose population is stronger and where it’s weaker, so we can advise our harvesters accordingly, and if it's not too onerous on them to go a little further away, they would.” Farrant acknowledged the MNO is “as much concerned about conservation as we are” and expressed hope OFAH would be allowed to enter consultations. “We have every anticipation that the MNO will continue to respect the resource,” he said. “This is not to suggest that because the court has made this determination, the Metis of Ontario are going to go out there and go silly . . . . In fact, we have every indication from the Metis Nation of Ontario that they are as concerned about conservation of the resource as anybody else, obviously, and they will certainly be very wary of that when it comes to the harvesting issue.” Elliot agreed that aboriginal people “have traditionally been the most conservation-minded group out there, because if they kill all the moose one year, they starve the next.” But subsistence hunting, one of the “historically important” features the Supreme Court judges unanimously cited, “isn’t the case any more,” he added. “(First Nations) are not subsistence hunting. In a lot of cases they’re selling the meat.” The Sept. 19 decision has not had an effect on this season’s tag allocations — they were issued in August. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:01:38 -0600 (CST) From: "Karl Schrader" Subject: A brand new idea in South Africa "Todd Birch" wrote: ***So, I presume that a South African with a .416 or a .375 is supposed to go for 75 lb. dikdiks and springboks with them. That or be undergunned for more serious game with a 7mm or .30-'06. Ain't bureaucracy great?*** ========= ***I can already see it happening here*** yeah.....and as soon as there is a 280 seat Liberal Government.!! Only one gun.....eh? Pity, but not only in Canada ! Well in that case we will all have to get Drillings, a combination of shotgun and rifle, one can then use insert barrels in smaller calibers for varminting or other small game. ......That's only one gun, Sir ! Something similar was tried by the communists in East Germany, but then they ordered us to check the gun out and in again after hunting. And with a full report if the gun was used. And that's when I decided to emigrate to Canada because the literature distributed overseas at that time (50 years ago) was stressing what a free country Canada "WAS". Now, the communists acted this way not out of concern for "public safety" but out of fear of a "public uprising". A public uprising will never happen in Canada, Canadians are too civilized and brainwashed for that. So, that leaves only "public safety". The only hope one can have is, when there is a Liberal Government in Ontario, there usually is a conservative one in Ottawa. Work hard, keep your mouth shut and give 50% of what you made by hard work to "YOUR" Government ! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:02:12 -0600 (CST) From: awpaob@telus.net Subject: CFD 541 Stupid statements - Canadian Commanders in Kabul Rick I know I give my age away However "Shoot to Live" was originally "Shoot to Kill" when first issued around 1947 if I recall correctly and that it evolved from the "Johnson Method used in 1945" that was then changed to "Shoot to Live" to be politically correct some time later possibly in the early 80's. Confidnce is "Cocked & Locked" Al. "FREEDOM" For those who Fought, Bled and Died For It " FREEDOM " has a FLAVOR THE PROTECTED will Never Know or Savor. Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:48:32 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: A cautionary tale about heavily armed goofballs http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1065219009162&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154 >From Toronto Star Oct. 4, 2003. 01:00 AM A cautionary tale about heavily armed goofballs SLINGER Daniel Greig, who looks like a clean-cut college graduate, is a clean-cut college graduate. He is also very well-spoken. What sets him apart from a great many other clean-cut, articulate college graduates is that he possessed: A six-shot, .44-calibre Smith & Wesson revolver. A .45-calibre Glock semi-automatic pistol. A .45-calibre Heckler & Koch semi-automatic pistol. A 12-gauge Franchi pump-action shotgun with a pistol grip and a collapsible stock. An M16, a .223-calibre Colt semi-automatic assault rifle. When Toronto police discovered his arsenal, the guns were fully loaded. Rounds were chambered and ready to be fired in the semi-automatic weapons and the shotgun. The shotgun's tube magazine had been extended so that, instead of the legally permitted three, it held eight rounds, in this case of buckshot. Two of the magazines for the assault rifle had been taped together pointing in opposite directions, combat-style, so when one emptied the other could be slammed into place with a twist of the wrist. Some of the several hundred rounds of ammunition found with this weapon were armour-piercing. "None of the firearms was suitable for hunting," Mr. Justice Archie Campbell observed in a decision published shortly before he began his inquiry into the city's SARS epidemic. Greig himself explained it to the police this way: "I was a little gun-crazy." Gun-crazy maybe, but not nuts, at least not according to any definition of "nuts" in the Criminal Code. But we shouldn't get the idea that Daniel Greig is normal, either. Even the normally gun-crazed don't usually also possess a bulletproof vest, a pair of Smith & Wesson handcuffs, a pair of single-use plastic handcuffs, a "cold steel" knife with an eight-inch blade, two gas masks, a Kevlar-reinforced metal helmet of the type worn by soldiers, two black balaclavas, and a radio scanner tuned to the Toronto police channels. They don't usually make their own 45-minute videotape of Brinks trucks and banks — some shots were taken inside banks, and some, like the one of the Royal Bank branch at King and Yonge, from his car, in which the cases that held the shotgun and assault rifle are plainly visible — or hide the videotape in a box of detergent under the kitchen sink. Then again, it isn't entirely normal for a TTC Wheel-Trans driver to encourage his fellow Wheel-Trans drivers to buy bulletproof vests and wear them while on duty. Wheel-Trans is the service that provides transportation for the handicapped. When Daniel Greig did this, the TTC fired him. Some advice to gun-crazies: Don't trust your mom. When Greig was arrested, he phoned his mom and asked her to go to his apartment and throw out the box of detergent. He said it was of inferior quality. Instead, she took it home and used it. Some weeks later, when she got to the bottom of the box, she found the videotape. Which is why the police found it when they searched her house. Why the police are sad: Greig was able to buy all these guns — one detective described them as "weapons of mass destruction" — with no trouble at all. Why Greig is sad: He'd never been able to get the 40-mm M203 grenade launcher he had his heart set on. And he got arrested. But he should have been more careful. He'd been warned. Staying away from guns was one of the terms of his parole after a previous infraction. Why I'm sad: I wonder how many goofballs are out there who are up to their yingyangs in this kind of weaponry. That's why I've left out a lot of good stuff, such as the interior of his car being splattered with human female blood, although a homicide investigation failed to turn up a suitable human female corpse, and the Chinese Mafia-Toronto police plot to kill him. Because the heavily armed goofballs are what worry me most. Still, some of them might not be complete screwups like Daniel Greig. "I've been, in the past, a little paranoid," he admitted. Armageddon, or at least World War III, was about to break out, maybe in a couple of weeks, and he wanted to have enough firepower to protect himself when the government conspiracy replaced democracy with a dictatorship. Presumably knocking over a bank was necessary to finance his survival. The judge was unsympathetic. "No citizen has a right to constitute himself as his own private army," he said, and sent him away for what will amount to a total of 4 1/2 years. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slinger's column usually appears Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:18:34 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Expanded hunting opportunities in Bancroft district http://www.newswire.ca/releases/October2003/04/c8159.html >From Canada News Wire Expanded hunting opportunities in Bancroft district BANCROFT, ON, Oct. 4 /CNW/ - An expanded deer archery season will be available to hunters in the Bancroft District, Minden area, to better serve the hunting community. "In the past, there were times when the opening of deer archery and moose gun seasons would only be a few days apart. Hunters who wanted to take part in both hunts couldn't because of logistical problems," said Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) Minden Area Biologist Gerry Moraal. "The regulation is changed to give hunters an extra two weeks for the archery season so they will be able to participate in both the deer and moose hunting season. The Minden Area Fish and Wildlife Advisory Committee helped push for the regulation. This committee, made up from a variety of public interests, regularly meets with MNR and provides valuable input into its fish and wildlife programs. For the 2003 fall hunting season, the expanded deer archery season will open October 1 for hunters in MNR's Wildlife Management Units 54 and 56. In the past, the season opened on October 15. The closing date for archery hunting will remain the same, at November 30. Normal archery season closures still apply when the regular deer gun seasons are in effect. Disponible en français For more information visit www.mnr.gov.on.ca - -30- For further information: Gerry Moraal, Ministry of Natural Resources, (705) 286-5226 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:19:02 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: SIU Investigates Firearm Death in Sudbury http://www.newswire.ca/releases/October2003/03/c7864.html >From Canada News Wire SIU Investigates Firearm Death in Sudbury TORONTO, Oct. 3 /CNW/ - Three investigators and two forensic identification technicians from the Special Investigations Unit (SIU) are in Sudbury today to investigate the circumstances of a firearm death in Chelsford that involved officers from the Sudbury Police Service (SPS). The SIU was notified that at approximately 10:40 p.m. on October 2, 2003, SPS officers responded to a residence on Bradley Road regarding a domestic dispute. Officers secured and contained the area around the home until approximately 2:40 a.m. when the body of 42-year-old Michael Karchie was discovered in the home, suffering from an apparent gunshot wound. The SIU is investigating the nature and extent of police involvement. The SIU is a civilian agency that investigates circumstances involving police and civilians which have resulted in serious injury, sexual assault or death. Under Part VII, Section 113, of the Police Services Act, the Director of the SIU has the sole authority to decide whether or not charges are warranted based on the findings of a complete investigation. The Director's decision is reported to the Attorney General. - -30- For further information: Rose Hong, SIU Communications/Service des communications, UES, Telephone/No de telephone: (416) 622-2342 or/ou 1-800-787-8529 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:19:26 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: SIU probes man's death http://www.thesudburystar.com/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=45078&catname=Local+News >From Sudbury Star SIU probes man's death Police mum on exactly how how Michael Karchie, 42, died after police responded to a domestic incident at his home By Carol Mulligan/The Sudbury Star Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 11:00 Local News - The Special Investigations Unit is looking into Greater Sudbury Police Service’s involvement in a domestic dispute in Chelmsford that turned deadly overnight Thursday. Three SIU investigators and two forensic identification technicians were in Sudbury yesterday trying to piece together how Michael Karchie, 42, died after police responded to a domestic incident at his home. Karchie was found dead of an apparent gunshot wound at 258 Bradley Rd., on the northwest edge of Chelmsford, four hours after police responded. Members of the civilian agency were dispatched to investigate the circumstances of the death and the “extent of police involvement” in it, the SIU’s Rose Hong said in a written release. Investigators worked inside and outside the storey-and-a-half, white-sided house as cold rain fell over the area Friday. One member of the team leaving the house about 4:30 p.m. would only say that its investigation was “finished basically.” According to the SIU, Greater Sudbury Police arrived at the residence Thursday about 10:40 p.m., and secured and contained the area around it until about 2:40 a.m. Friday when Karchie’s body was discovered. In a telephone interview, Hong said she could not speculate on the circumstances surrounding Karchie’s death. Nor could she say if the gunshot wound was self-inflicted or where it was on the deceased’s body. No one else was injured in the incident. Investigators are interviewing witnesses and, when the information is complete and verified, further details will be released, said Hong. Greater Sudbury Police issued a three-sentence statement about the investigation, saying only that they were “in attendance at a residence in Chelmsford when a suspect in a criminal investigation died.” Several Greater Sudbury Police officers continued to secure the area around the home Friday. The Sudbury Star has learned that Karchie had been living in the rundown farmhouse since June, after he asked to rent it from his cousin, Claude Bradley, who lives two houses down the road about half a kilometre away. “It’s a tragedy,” a calm but shaken Bradley said Friday afternoon at his residence. “It’s hitting a little too close to home.” Bradley said he had no idea what happened inside the home, adding grimly: “I imagine I’ll end up finding out.” Karchie lived in the house with a woman and three of her four children, said Bradley’s wife, Diane Brosseau. The children were three boys, one about 13 years old and twins about eight. An older child, a16-year-old daughter, did not live at 258 Bradley Rd., they said, but rather lived with her father. Bradley and Brosseau thought the woman and her children were still living there, but weren’t sure if they were in the home when police arrived. Bradley said his cousin lived in Chelmsford before he rented the farmhouse. Brosseau said she was “very disturbed, very surprised” by what had happened. She described Karchie as “easy-going” and Bradley said his cousin was “just doing his own thing.” A former driller of surface rock on roads projects, Karchie had been “self-employed,” his cousin said. “He was (cutting and) selling wood.” Cords of stacked wood could be seen on the property. Bradley said he didn’t know his cousin “overly well,” but added, almost under his breath, “My tante (my aunt) is going to take it hard.” The first Bradley and Brosseau knew about the domestic dispute was after 1 a.m. Friday when Greater Sudbury Police knocked on their door and woke them up. Bradley said police wanted to know the floor plan of the house he was renting to his cousin, but wouldn’t tell him what was going on there. Greater Sudbury Police did block the road in front of Bradley’s home, he said. Bradley lived at 258 Bradley until November of last year and continues his livestock operation there as well as at his current residence. Four small barns to the back and side of the home where the shooting occurred contain about 800 pigs, and Bradley raises another 600 or so at his new home. He said he was tired from a day of farming and cutting wood when police awoke him, and he fell asleep again after telling them about the inside of the house. Bradley didn’t find out his cousin was dead until the morning. Colette Lafontaine lives next door to the house in which Karchie was found. Police woke her and her husband up just before they knocked on Bradley’s door, because they thought Lafontaine owned the farmhouse where the trouble was. Lafontaine said she and her husband went to bed about 10 p.m. and didn’t hear any noise until police awoke them. Police wouldn’t tell them what was going on, she said, “but we kind of figured something happened.” She and her husband fielded several phone calls Friday from people wanting to know what had happened next door, but she said they only knew what they had heard on radio and television. “We may be the neighbours,” said Lafontaine, “but they tell you nothing.” She did say the police who knocked at her door were dressed in green uniforms and green hats that looked something like fishing hats, not in regular police uniform. Lafontaine said she didn’t hear any gunshots and seemed surprised at that, because she said she often hears gunshots echoing when people hunt in the area. Incidents such as this one fall within the mandate of the SIU, said Greater Sudbury Police, adding they would not be releasing any further information about the incident. The SIU is a civilian agency that investigates circumstances involving police and civilians, which have resulted in serious injury, sexual assault or death. Under the Police Services Act, the director of the SIU has the sole authority to decide if charges are warranted based on the findings of a complete investigation. 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