From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #548 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, October 7 2003 Volume 06 : Number 548 In this issue: Police shooting trial opens Re: Ottawa Sun Editorial Letter - Info on Writer Needed Response to Hamilton Spectator Article 6 October 2003 Hunting without a Firearms Possession License Cops on lookout for driver Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #539 HORSEMEN AND SUCH.......... EASTER DUCKS QUESTIONS ABOUT CUTBACKS AT RCMP LABS Sorenson Grills Solicitor General Over Closure of DNA Labs shipping charges Re: sask (no subject) Fw: [chat] Left-hand bolt action wanted Re: shipping charges...UPS Gary Mauser. Privacy intrusion an unneeded risk Report: ID card plan to top $7B ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:07:39 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Police shooting trial opens http://canada.com/national/story.asp?id=4F676A99-ACDB-4603-93C2-F22A5A34E7CB >From NTR Police shooting trial opens Monday, October 06, 2003 MONTREAL -- The trial of the man accused of first-degree murder in the shooting death of a police officer opens Monday in Montreal. Stéphane Boucher was arrested five days after Constable Benoit L'Ecuyer was gunned down Feb. 28, 2002 on a busy highway. He is also charged with armed robbery and illegal use of a firearm. He faces life imprisonment without possibility of parole for 25 years if he is found guilty. Boucher was arrested March 5, 2002 in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu where he had been hiding out at a friend's home. He has pled not guilty to all charges. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:59:32 -0600 (CST) From: "jim davies" Subject: Re: Ottawa Sun Editorial Letter - Info on Writer Needed > Re "Letters to the Editor," by Richard McConnell and Brian Newman (Oct. 3): Firstly, both of you gentlemen use the word "national" when clearly the Canadian Alliance is anything but. The raison d'etre of the CA ...There is no right to unite...Time to get over it and come home, so we can get on with the job at hand and send the red menace of Liberalism packing. > - ----**YAWN**-------- another Ontario knowitallnitwit heard from. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:00:09 -0600 (CST) From: Mark L Horstead Subject: Response to Hamilton Spectator Article 6 October 2003 "As the driver sped away on Copetown Road, police drew their service revolvers and fired at least two shots" ("Cops shoot tire of stolen truck, arrest suspects", 6 October 2003). If so, then they're probably the last cops in Canada to be so equipped. Everybody's gone to semi-automatic pistols now. Mark L Horstead Newmarket, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:02:50 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Hunting without a Firearms Possession License To: Easter.W@parl.gc.ca Cc: Prime Minister , "Garry Breitkreuz, MP" , Firearms Digest The Honourable Wayne Easter, P.C., MP Solicitor General of Canada House of Commons Parliament Buildings Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 Easter.W@parl.gc.ca Monday, 06 October 2003 Dear Mr Easter, Formal Notice: Hunting with an unregistered firearm and without a firearms possession license We hereby officially inform you that members of CUFOA will again be in the field hunting migratory game birds with an unregistered firearm and without a firearms possession license this Tuesday, 07 October 2003. We take this action deliberately. We are intentionally contravening the Firearms Act of 1995, purposefully being in open, public noncompliance. The Firearms Act destroys our Canadian heritage and culture. This unjust law violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, specifically our rights to privacy, security of person, presumption of innocence, association, representation, mobility, and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure. We will never submit to this unjust law. We will never surrender our Liberty to a law which is based upon a lie; a law which can never deliver the false promise of increased security. We demand the opportunity to have this unjust law declared unconstitutional in court; to have a full public discussion of all the relevant issues. We will once again be hunting on privately owned farm land located near Carmel, Saskatchewan, six kilometers south of Highway #5 on the east side of the grid road in a canola stubble field near the old renovated church which is now the North Star Pottery. We will hunt on this site from 10 a.m. until noon. We will fax a copy of this notice of our plans to the RCMP Detachment in Humboldt. We will be hunting with an unregistered Ithaca 12 gauge pump shotgun, no serial number. While my old FAC may still technically be on record at the CFC, I possess no license as I destroyed the last remnant of my FAC on Parliament Hill on New Year’s Day at the CUFOA Liberty Demonstration. I have never registered any of my firearms with the Canadian Firearms Center. As we have consistently demonstrated in our previous twenty-one public non-compliance actions all across Canada, everything we do will be peaceful and non-violent. Mr Easter, your government has wasted enough time and money on this futile exercise. Demonstrate your common sense. Protect our Canadian heritage of responsible firearms ownership and use. Repeal this useless, unjust, unconstitutional law. Sincerely, Edward B. Hudson DVM, MS Secretary, CUFOA CC: Prime Minister Jean Chrétien Garry Breitkreuz, MP RCMP Detachment, Humboldt, SK Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association 402 Skeena Crt Saskatoon, Saskatchewan S7K 4H2 1-306-242-2379 1-306-249-2359 fax edwardhudson@shaw.ca www.cufoa.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:48:58 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Cops on lookout for driver http://www.draytonvalleywesternreview.com/story.php?id=76127 >From Drayton Valley Western Review Cops on lookout for driver Graham Long Drayton Valley Western Review — Drayton Valley RCMP are on the lookout for a man who led them on a high speed chase Sept. 28. At about 5:30 p.m. that day RCMP spotted a car matching the description of a vehicle involved in a recent hit and run heading northbound on Hwy. 22 close to the Weyerhaeuser plant. When the cops tried to get the car, a black Chevy Cavalier, to pull over the vehicle took off, heading down Twp. Rd. 491. The Cavalier then turned up RR 80 hitting speeds of 120 km/h. The driver of the car continued to refuse to stop until the vehicle entered the ditch and struck a signpost. The driver then fled the scene on foot and into a wooded area where he escaped. However, police believe they recognized the man behind the wheel and a warrant has been issued for his arrest. Michael David Bush, 25, is facing a number of charges including dangerous driving, flight from a peace officer, driving while prohibited, and possession of a sawn-off .22 calibre rifle. The gun was found in the vehicle after the driver fled. “As of right now we don’t know his current whereabouts,” said Staff Sgt. Steve Harrington of Drayton Valley RCMP last Thursday. “He definitely is of interest to us.” ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:49:31 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #539 On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, JP Poulin wrote: > At least we know what the Liberals will do. Guaranteed to enforce > C-68 to the letter now. And you can probably forget about the spring bear hunt being reinstated. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:50:37 -0600 (CST) From: "BOB LICKACZ" Subject: HORSEMEN AND SUCH.......... From: "Tom Bryant" BIG CUTTTTTTTTTT................ Subject: EASTER DUCKS QUESTIONS ABOUT CUTBACKS AT RCMP LABS House of Commons Debates Monday, October 6 2003 ORAL QUESTION PERIOD Unedited copy - not official until printed in Hansard * * * B8 (1440) [English] Mr. Kevin Sorenson (Crowfoot, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, nearly two months ago I wrote to the Solicitor General asking for an immediate response regarding the proposed closure of the RCMP forensic labs. To date the Solicitor General has failed to respond to those questions. I ask him again today, will the Solicitor General stand today and confirm that the RCMP forensic labs in Edmonton, Regina and Halifax are scheduled for closure? Hon. Wayne Easter (Solicitor General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the RCMP is always looking at ways to improve the system, to have quicker turnaround and DNA testing. We are in fact doing that through the forensic labs. Mr. Kevin Sorenson (Crowfoot, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, the Solicitor General refuses to answer the question. There is a massive backlog within the RCMP forensic labs. Police are being hampered in their investigations. Court proceedings are being stalled. Justice is not being served. Why? Because the Liberal government has failed to properly resource these crucial police services. Again I ask the Solicitor General, how can he possibly justify the cutbacks or the closure of these forensic units? Hon. Wayne Easter (Solicitor General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, it is not unusual for the member opposite to have his facts wrong. The facts are these: In 1999-2000, DNA turnaround time was greater than 365 days. Currently DNA turnaround time is 55 days. I would say that is a substantial improvement and we are looking to improve it more. * * * Mr. Larry Spencer (Regina-Lumsden-Lake Centre, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, the Regina RCMP forensic lab is in my riding. Prior cuts and closures in the lab have reportedly resulted in 110 Regina families being relocated to Ottawa at a cost of $8 million. The Liberal minister from Regina has not been able to stop it. I ask the Solicitor General how many more families will be forced out of Regina and how much more money will it cost his crime fighting budget? Hon. Wayne Easter (Solicitor General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I think-- Some hon. members: Oh, oh. The Speaker: Order please. The question was asked to the Solicitor General who has risen to respond but there is so much noise we cannot hear his response. I know that sometimes other conversations are helpful and useful to hon. members but during question period it is helpful to listen to the person recognized by the Chair, and the Solicitor General is that person at the moment. Hon. Wayne Easter: Mr. Speaker, I did answer this question previously. As I indicated, the RCMP is always looking to improve the situation relative to the forensic labs, but it does give me a little more time to lay a little more facts on the table. There are really 683 cases in the entire country presenting being worked on. Of that 683 cases, approximately 615 are in the analytical process and that is far short of the numbers being talked about by the opposition party. We are having better turnaround times. Mr. Larry Spencer (Regina-Lumsden-Lake Centre, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, because of the lack of funding and the cutback in personnel a number of RCMP forensic experts have moved to the states. More are anticipated to follow suit if the Solicitor General continues with this closure, slash, cutback, whatever it is, of the forensic lab in Regina which is being turned into office space. How can the Solicitor General justify the loss of some of the most important crime fighters in Canada and the loss of an eight year old facility to equip them? Hon. Wayne Easter (Solicitor General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, maybe the hon. member did not hear me previously. I talked about improvements to the system and that is what we are doing. We are improving the system, we are getting better turnaround times than in the past and we will continue to work at improving the system and bringing greater efficiencies in. Just last week, in fact, we announced a fairly major milestone in terms of DNA and that was the one-thousandth match. * * * ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:55:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Sorenson Grills Solicitor General Over Closure of DNA Labs http://www.canadianalliance.ca/english/index-details-printable.asp?ID=2435 Sorenson Grills Solicitor General Over Closure of DNA Labs Alliance Critic says lack of resources for RCMP will mean cases "falling through the cracks" For Immediate Release October 6, 2003 Ottawa, Ontario - Official Opposition Solicitor General Critic Kevin Sorenson expressed frustration after once again being stonewalled by the Solicitor General. Despite formal written requests and verbal questioning in the House of Commons, the Solicitor General refuses to answer Sorenson's question regarding whether or not RCMP forensic labs in Edmonton, Regina and Halifax will be closed. "As you can appreciate, a move of this nature will have a significant impact on RCMP employees in these regions and, in my opinion, have a serious and detrimental effect on the timely examination of criminal evidence. I would therefore appreciate an immediate response denying or confirming this information and an explanation, if this is in fact going to transpire, as to why this is occurring," the Alliance Critic wrote in a letter dated August 22nd, acting upon credible information. "I don't know what's more infuriating, the Solicitor General's refusal to answer our questions," said Sorenson, "or him bragging about improved turnout times for the analyzing of criminal evidence when it still falls far short of the mandated mark. The numbers don't back it up. Important investigative work is falling through the cracks because of the Solicitor General's neglect." Sorenson pointed to information from RCMP sources showing that DNA evidence taken from murder scenes marked "urgent" takes approximately 55 days to analyze. The RCMP's own mandated completion deadline for such urgent cases is 15 days, while "routine" cases take approximately 93 days rather than the mandated 30. - - 30 - For more information call (613) 947-4608 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:56:14 -0600 (CST) From: "garry.d" Subject: shipping charges I am being shafted by Loomis on shipping of a pistol from SIR in Winnnipeg to Yellowknife. They are asking around $100.00 air freight, just because it's a pistol. They say they will not ship between provinces by ground, only air. Does anyone know of another courrier who will ship by ground? I really don't want my pistol deal to be put in the red by some "grab-asstic" company with a rage on against handgun owners. PLease reply sender. Thanks. dorm Yellowknife ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:52:56 -0600 (CST) From: B Farion Subject: Re: sask >By the way has anybody heard of hunters getting nabbed for gun law >infractions this year? > >My local RCMP contact wishes it would all go away. He has noted open >hostility from local farmers afraid that he has been sent by Ottawa to take >their guns. Hi; Yes, if you had been following the CFD. A hunter in Saskatchewan and another in Ontario were harrassed by RCMPigs and OPPigs! Nothing to do with crimes like drug running or white slavery! Just gun control and being a police state toady! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:59:16 -0400 From: Bruce Mills Subject: (no subject) From: "Jim Pook" Subject: RE: shipping charges Hi Dorm: I would try Purolator. Loomis is bad news for any kind of shipping - unless you want a total screwup. I have never had a good experience with Loomis, and have heard many horror stories from others regarding them. Stay away and deal with some other company. Jim Pook Jim's Fishing Charters Box 326 Tahsis, BC V0P 1X0 www.jimsfishing.com jim@tahsisbc.com 1(888) 617-FISH (3474) Toll Free (250) 934-7665 Local ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:54:30 -0600 (CST) From: "J.M. Bell" Subject: Fw: [chat] Left-hand bolt action wanted - ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.M. Bell" To: Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:27 AM Subject: [chat] Left-hand bolt action wanted > Ladies & Gentlemen, > > Would anyone on CFDigest have, and consider selling, a left-hand bolt > action, .30-06-length and head size, controlled-round-feed type? Or do you > know anyone > who might sell one? I'll consider buying a whole rifle, no matter what > condition, as long as the action is in NRA very good condition. > > Any responses can be sent to me privately, at > jmbell@westerncanada.com > > Many thanks for any leads, > jmb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:15:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Bill" Subject: Re: shipping charges...UPS I heard UPS is the way to go. I have heard of some retailers simply wrapping the handgun in an un marked brown wrapping, calling it sporting goods, UPS picks up and delivers no problem. $25. At least this is what I read on other lists. Sounds too good to be true. Bill Nova Scotia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:16:07 -0600 (CST) From: Gordon Hitchen Subject: Gary Mauser. Recently there was a request for photos etc in connection with protest movements here in Canada. I lost that . Has anyone replied yet and with what. I did recommend Tom Zinck's site but it has been removed- Tom apparently in disgust with the NFA has removed the whole site. And is devoted solely to high frequency 'ham' radio these days. Tom is of course too young to remember the efforts of the Liberals to wipe out ham radios. Or even to remember the then outrageous licence fee to possess an ordinary radio. These were dropped eventually- due to massive non- compliance. Skeeter Smith has a site but I don't know if it contains the snipers on the roof of the Parliament buildings- something I believe is important in showing how far the Liberals will go against peaceful , unarmed Canadians . I would be interested in what if anything has been sent in response to Mauser's request. I have several photos of the Oscar lacome protest and the Ken Palmer protest. Gordon Hitchen Responsible Firearms Owners of Alberta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:47:15 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Privacy intrusion an unneeded risk http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1065456700532&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795 Oct. 7, 2003. 01:00 AM Privacy intrusion an unneeded risk Every Canadian should keep a wary eye on a two-day forum beginning today in Ottawa that will address the controversial topic of national identity cards. That's because the question of whether you — and every other Canadian — should carry an identity card is the most critical privacy issue facing us right now, says the federal government's own privacy watchdog. The conference, sponsored by the federal citizenship and immigration department, will focus on biometrics, which uses techniques such as fingerprints and iris scans to identify individuals. The technology is a favourite hobbyhorse of Immigration Minister Denis Coderre, who has repeatedly raised the idea of a national ID card. He claims it could help deter terrorists and reduce incidences of fraud, particularly identity theft, which costs the country $2.5 billion a year. He also says it could help to reduce future lineups at the U.S. border. But he has a long way to go to prove any of these things. Coinciding with today's meeting, Parliament's standing committee on immigration is expected to release an interim report condemning any such ID scheme as ineffective, expensive and possibly downright dangerous. Last month, Canada's interim privacy commissioner recommended the MPs reject an ID registry as "unworkable and unjustified." Just creating the system could have a price tag of $3 billion to $5 billion, Robert Marleau testified. "We need to ask ourselves whether these kinds of costs are justified by any significant benefit," he rightly cautioned. Nor is there any indication the cards, and the resulting database, would be worth the risks. "Such a card would entail the collection, use and dissemination of personal information on a massive scale,'' he said. Coderre, to his credit, insists there has been no decision to proceed with the initiative and none will come until Canadians have debated it fully. Coderre could better spend his time by enhancing the security of our existing documents, such as passports. U.S. border crossings will implement stricter rules in 2005 that will eventually require travellers to present a passport with biometric identifiers. Under an agreement reached last week, Canadian citizens will be exempt. But even if the U.S. government ultimately decides to subject Canadians to these rules, it makes no sense for Canada to introduce an entirely new system of verifying identity. While the technology may seem great to the people who stand to profit by its adoption, the idea of issuing national identity cards to everyone living in Canada looks like an unnecessary intrusion into Canadians' privacy and a total waste of taxpayers' money. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:47:39 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Report: ID card plan to top $7B http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1065477706292&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467 Oct. 6, 2003. 07:52 PM Report: ID card plan to top $7B LOUISE ELLIOTT CANADIAN PRESS OTTAWA - The cost of Immigration Minister Denis Coderre's proposal for a national identity card would top $7 billion, says a new report to a Commons committee - a finding that makes the $1-billion national gun registry look like chump change. And the amount, based on estimates for a similar project in Great Britain, will likely be considerably higher, said the director of a U.K.-based international watchdog that penned the report. "We have given the most conservative possible estimates," said Simon Davies, director of Privacy International and a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics. Worse, Davies argues, the costs of the plan, which would see fingerprints or iris scans of Canadians encoded on ID cards, are "guaranteed high-risk, no return. "There's no evidence that there will be . . . anything of value to the security of the country." The citizenship and immigration committee, which is set to release an interim report of its own tomorrow summarizing a deluge of negative findings, met with Davies' group in London last spring. Its estimated price tag tops the $5 billion put forward by interim federal privacy commissioner Robert Marleau, who also recommended against the card. That's partly because Marleau didn't account for the cost of a parallel backup system, Davies said. "The cost of the ID card system, together with appropriate registration procedures, IT infrastructure, private and public sector compliance and parallel systems will be well in excess of informal estimates currently circulating," says the report, which will go to MPs tomorrow. Coderre has never provided a cost estimate for the project. Opposition members of the committee said the high price tag is just one more indication of the futility of Coderre's plan. The news came on the eve of a controversial two-day government conference on biometrics in Ottawa. "It shocks me but it doesn't surprise me," said NDP MP Pat Martin. "We certainly predicted that these costs could spiral way out of control, but the government's initial estimates were certainly very conservative." Martin argued the potential for abuse was rife, and cited the high ratio of biometrics industry experts attending the conference. "Just as the gun registry became a feeding frenzy for every consultant in the country, we haven't even begun this process yet, we haven't even begun seeing who will have access here," he said. "This conference is being exposed as a sham." Davies said the card promises only "short-term public relations benefits. It will take three or four years before people realize the money is being thrown in the ocean." The report is based on 14 years of research in several countries which have tried to implement such systems, including New Zealand, Australia and China. It notes that China has withdrawn fingerprints from its ID card system in the past month because the system is not workable. Criticism continued to mount today that Coderre's office has stacked the forum. The minister faced grilling in question period over accusations from Ontario information and privacy commissioner Ann Cavoukian that she's been blocked from attending the conference. Cavoukian, a world expert on biometrics, has been a vocal critic of the ID card. Alan Dershowitz of Harvard law school, who became a proponent of biometrics following the Sept. 11 attacks, will receive a $36,000 fee as keynote speaker. Coderre defended that price and his conference today, noting that Quebec access to information commissioner Jennifer Stoddart will be speaking, and that Marleau will also attend. "I think that the most important thing is when you look at the list, you'll see who's there - you have privacy commissioners, you have experts from different sides," he said. "It's a very balanced list, a very balanced approach, we will cover all the angles." Alliance immigration critic Diane Ablonczy said the least the department could have done was pay a Canadian the $36,000 fee. "Isn't there any expert in Canada that can be an apologist for this idea? Obviously not. And the fact that he's importing one of the most persuasive communicators in the U.S. tells you something, too." Ablonczy said a $7-billion price tag should be a red flag when the committee has found only pitfalls when looking at database implementation. "What about the person who's a victim of a false reject?" she said. "It will just be a big boondoggle of money. This is just a big money pit." ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #548 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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