From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #554 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, October 8 2003 Volume 06 : Number 554 In this issue: CNEWS Canada - National ID card could cost billions: report Fingerprint of stupidity all over plan LOOK WHO GOT GUN REGISTRY GRANTS SPEAKER RULES EASTER DIDN'T MISLEAD THE HOUSE Hunting Experiences near Humboldt, SK N.S. man pleads guilty to charge of domestic dispute involving firearms Police search for stolen shotgun Teenager shot in buttocks City police searching for four men involved in armed robbery Wildlife author killed, eaten by bears he loved Re: don't have to hunt to enjoy outdoors RE: Wildlife author killed, eaten by bears he loved EASTER WON'T SAY WHY GUN REGISTRY IS A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN DNA Column of Tony Bezina G&M Poll on ID cards My letter to the Montreal Gazette ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:34:58 -0600 (CST) From: DAVEa1a80807 Subject: CNEWS Canada - National ID card could cost billions: report ALMOST 7 BILLION!!! and the VOTE ON THE POLL IS STILL IN FAVOUR!!! MORE TAXES OUT OF OUR POCKETS. Dave L. W. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2003/10/07/219693-cp.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:35:34 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Fingerprint of stupidity all over plan http://www.canoe.ca/CalgaryNews/cs.cs-10-08-0010.html >From Calgary Sun Wednesday, October 8, 2003 Fingerprint of stupidity all over plan By LICIA CORBELLA, EDITOR Upon arriving in the newsroom yesterday, city editor Dave Naylor told me a story about federal bureaucracy that is so ridiculous it made me laugh -- initially anyway. Dave's 61-year-old father, Michael, is a hard-working, tax-paying, law-abiding, landed immigrant from Britain. Now, while it's acknowledged there are some 60,000 refugees who have been ordered deported from Canada that no one can find, the elder Naylor is very findable indeed. He's been in Canada for 36 years, has lived in Calgary for 30 years, raised two successful kids and has five grandkids. As a result of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the feds now require all landed immigrants, also called permanent residents (PR), to get a PR plastic card to replace the piece of paper they received upon landing in Canada. Naylor doesn't have a problem with that. Nor do I. He sent in his forms, paid a $50 fee, but when he went to pick up his card, a sharp-eyed federal employee gave Naylor the once over, asked to measure him and noticed a four-centimetre discrepancy in his height. "The last time I was measured for height was when I was in school," Naylor says with a chuckle. "So, while I've gained a few inches around my middle, it would appear I have shrunk more than an inch in height." On his form, Naylor wrote that he was 5-ft.-10. Naylor says he understands the requirement to have correct information on the cards. "I don't have any great axe to grind," insists Naylor. "I started this process in March, it's now October and come the first of the year, I'm not going to be able to get back in the country should I have to leave." While the $50 processing fee, which he will have to repay, is not a hardship for him, he says he doesn't understand why the correction need be so time consuming for both himself and the bureaucracy. Instead of just sending the card back with a note to change the height portion, Naylor must reapply from scratch and re-submit another $50. Meanwhile, as I spoke with Naylor yesterday, a new interim report to a Commons committee revealed that the cost of Immigration Minister Denis Coderre's proposal for a national identity card would hit $7 billion. When you consider the $1 billion gun registry was only supposed to cost $2 million, just imagine what the real costs in dollars will be if all Canadians are required to carry a high-tech card with biometric information such as iris scans and finger prints. If the feds say it will cost $5 to $7 billion, it will cost much more. Then there's the cost to our privacy and the risk of identity theft, which is a growing crime around the world. So open to abuse is such a card that Alberta's own privacy commissioner, Frank Work, says he would refuse to get one should they become mandatory and so would I. "I won't carry one," says Work. "They can come and get me. "This card would make everyone more vulnerable to criminals by putting all of your eggs in one basket," says Work, who adds Coderre has not revealed what he's trying to fix with this card. Today marks the end of a biometrics forum in Ottawa hosted by Coderre that critics say is unfairly stacked with supporters of such a Big Brother ID card, so popular with dictators. Ann Cavoukian, the Ontario information and privacy commissioner, who is considered a world expert on biometrics, says she was denied access to the forum. Canadian Alliance MP Diane Ablonczy, who sits on the citizenship and immigration committee that tabled the interim report on the card, says the cost of the card could finance the entire immigration system for 20 years. "This minister lacked money for border officers, security checks abroad, and to remove known foreign criminals. And yet he has money to sell his ID card scheme," she fumed. And, if it cost Naylor $50 to change something as simple as his height on a much less complicated card, just imagine how much all of our wallets will shrink if the feds put our fingerprints and iris scans on a card? It's not such a funny story now, is it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:37:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: LOOK WHO GOT GUN REGISTRY GRANTS LOOK WHO GOT GUN REGISTRY GRANTS http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/CFC%20Contributions%201997-2003..xls Column: Most aboriginals ignore gun registry: "Let's see the Grits find the silver lining in that." http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article143.htm National Post: Natives refusing to register guns, documents show: http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article144.htm LIBERALS UNDER THE GUN AS MAJORITY OF ABORIGINALS BOYCOTT GUN REGISTRY Documents reveal: Mohawk communities of Kahnawake (5% compliance) and Akwesasne (less than 1%). http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/guns89.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:37:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: SPEAKER RULES EASTER DIDN'T MISLEAD THE HOUSE SPEAKER RULES EASTER DIDN'T MISLEAD THE HOUSE http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/questions/oct-7-2003.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:39:16 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Hunting Experiences near Humboldt, SK To: Premier Calvert Hunting Experiences near Humboldt, Saskatchewan Tuesday, 07 October 2003 After being interrupted by the RCMP during our previous hunting trip near Humboldt, Saskatchewan, Jack Wilson & I returned once again to hunt migratory game birds in the same location in a farmer's canola stubble field. We again set up our blind on the trailer mounted with the black casket with dead flowers, camo nets, decoys, and the red and white CUFOA “Protecting Our Liberty” banner. Cassie, my Labrador Retriever, was again on hand to retrieve whatever we shot. This time we had a fully functional Ithaca, Model 3, 12 gauge pump shotgun which a Saskatoon gunsmith had examined and test fired for us the previous day. At approximately 10:45 a.m. two RCMP vehicles passed our location, stopped hurriedly, reversed directions, and drove onto the approach to the canola field. The two RCMP constables politely introduced themselves, we shook hands, and then they asked who owned the shotgun, and if one of us had a possession license for the “weapon”. When I answered that I owned the shotgun, and that all we needed to hunt were Saskatchewan hunting licenses, they quickly informed me that since neither of us had either a POL or a PAL that they were going to “seize” my shotgun, which they promptly did. For the next forty-five minutes Jack & I were “invited” to sit “voluntarily” in the front seat of the RCMP vehicles to “answer a few questions”. Half way through my interview, which was being both video taped and audio recorded, RCMP Constable Stephens issued me a “warning that I might be charged with a crime”, and inquired if I understood the situation and asked if I wanted to contact a lawyer. By noon Jack & I were left defenseless, with only an RCMP form F-112 receipt for my shotgun, and reduced to hunting ducks with only dirt clods as ammunition. Our photographs of this fourth hunting encounter with the RCMP will be posted tonight: http://www.cufoa.ca/chartchallenge.html Eduardo Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association 402 Skeena Crt Saskatoon Saskatchewan S7K 4H2 1-306-242-2379 1-306-249-2359 fax edwardhudson@shaw.ca www.cufoa.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:39:40 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: N.S. man pleads guilty to charge of domestic dispute involving firearms http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031007/CPA/17603027&cachetime=15 >From Canada East N.S. man pleads guilty to charge of domestic dispute involving firearms BRIDGEWATER, N.S. (CP) - A Nova Scotia man pleaded guilty Tuesday to charges of unlawful confinement and assault. Gary Kendall Hardy, 55, of Camperdown, N.S., faced several charges including unlawful confinement, assault with a weapon and four counts of uttering threats. Police surrounded a farmhouse in Camperdown Aug. 5 after being called about a domestic dispute, and arrested Hardy when he came out of his residence. Hardy was slated for trial Tuesday morning in Bridgewater, but changed his plea. He has been released until his sentencing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:40:03 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Police search for stolen shotgun http://www.insidetoronto.ca/to/story/1403384p-1652954c.html >From Scarborough Mirror Police search for stolen shotgun Oct. 8, 2003 A gun stolen from a Scarborough home has prompted Toronto Police to seek the public's help in finding the thieves and the weapon. A Winchester 12-gauge shotgun was reported missing from a residence near Lesterwood Crescent, off Midland Avenue, north of Lawrence Avenue. The gun's serial number is K60241. The break-in occurred Friday, Oct. 3 between 12:30 and 1:30 p.m. The suspects are described as male, black, 16 to 18 years old, with medium builds. Police said the two suspects were wearing blue bandanas with baseball caps and black hooded sweatshirts. Anyone with information is asked to call 41 Division at 416-808-4100 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:40:23 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Teenager shot in buttocks http://www.insidetoronto.ca/to/etobicoke/story/1403376p-1652989c.html >From Etobicoke Guardian Teenager shot in buttocks Police ANDREW PALAMARCHUK More from this author Oct. 8, 2003 A teenager shot in the buttocks while leaving a dispute he had with two men outside a central Etobicoke plaza last week has been released from hospital, police say. "He got shot in the rear end and the bullet travelled to his femur and broke the bone," explained Det. Sgt. Glenn Barenthin. "The suspects were sitting in a parked car. They got out and had a confrontation with the victim. As the victim was leaving, he got shot." The incident took place at the Richview plaza on Wincott Drive at about 10:30 p.m. The 19-year-old victim was taken to William Osler Health Centre with non-life threatening injuries, and has since been released. The suspects, including the gunman, fled in the car. Barenthin said this shooting is likely an isolated incident. "We have no evidence linking this to any other shooting." Barenthin is asking witnesses or anyone with information to call 23 Division investigators at 416-808-2304. HAT THEFT A teenage boy was arrested last week after a male was robbed of his hat while walking in the Eglinton Avenue West and Lloyd Manor Road area a day earlier. There were no injuries in the 12:10 p.m. incident. A 14-year-old, who can't be identified, has been charged with robbery. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:40:43 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: City police searching for four men involved in armed robbery http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2003/10/08/219939.html >From London Free Press City police searching for four men involved in armed robbery Free Press staff 2003-10-08 03:55:36 Police are searching for four men who robbed a clerk at gunpoint of cigarettes at a Thompson Road variety store. Police said some of the men were carrying rifles when they robbed the SuperMart Plus 2 at 196 Thompson Rd. Monday after 11 p.m. The suspects were wearing hooded tops and covered their faces. Const. Paul Martin, a spokesperson for London police, said police believe the men were driving in a white 2001 Dodge Dakota stolen Monday evening from a parking lot at Oxford and Adelaide streets. Police believe the same men were involved in the attempted theft of a vehicle on Osgoode Drive. A driver in the south London area reported to police a man riding in the rear of a white Dodge Dakota was pointing what appeared to be a rifle. Police are asking anyone with information to contact them at 661-5675. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:41:37 -0600 (CST) From: "jim davies" Subject: Wildlife author killed, eaten by bears he loved Wildlife author killed, eaten by bears he loved KATMAI: Many had warned Treadwell that his encounters with browns were too close. By CRAIG MEDRED Anchorage Daily News (Published: October 8, 2003) A California author and filmmaker who became famous for trekking to Alaska's remote Katmai coast to commune with brown bears has fallen victim to the teeth and claws of the wild animals he loved. Alaska State Troopers and National Park Service officials said Timothy Treadwell, 46, and girlfriend Amie Huguenard, 37, were killed and partially eaten by a bear or bears near Kaflia Bay, about 300 miles southwest of Anchorage, earlier this week. Scientists who study Alaska brown bears said they had been warning Treadwell for years that he needed to be more careful around the huge and powerful coastal twin of the grizzly. Treadwell's films of close-up encounters with giant bears brought him a bounty of national media attention. The fearless former drug addict from Malibu, Calif. -- who routinely eased up close to bears to chant "I love you'' in a high-pitched, sing-song voice -- was the subject of a show on the Discovery Channel and a report on "Dateline NBC." Blond, good-looking and charismatic, he appeared for interviews on David Letterman's show and "The Rosie O'Donnell Show" to talk about his bears. He even gave them names: Booble, Aunt Melissa, Mr. Chocolate, Freckles and Molly, among others. A self-proclaimed eco-warrior, he attracted something of a cult following too. Chuck Bartlebaugh of "Be Bear Aware,'' a national bear awareness campaign, called Treadwell one of the leaders of a group of people engaged in "a trend to promote getting close to bears to show they were not dangerous. "He kept insisting that he wanted to show that bears in thick brush aren't dangerous. The last two people killed (by bears) in Glacier National Park went off the trail into the brush. They said their goal was to find a grizzly bear so they could 'do a Timothy.' We have a trail of dead people and dead bears because of this trend that says, 'Let's show it's not dangerous.' '' But even Treadwell knew that getting close with brown bears in thick cover was indeed dangerous. In his 1997 book "Among Grizzlies,'' he wrote of a chilling encounter with a bear in the alder thickets that surround Kaflia Lake along the outer coast of Katmai National Park and Preserve. "This was Demon, who some experts label the '25th Grizzly,' the one that tolerates no man or bear, the one that kills without bias,'' Treadwell wrote. "I had thought Demon was going to kill me in the Grizzly Maze.'' Treadwell survived and kept coming back to the area. He would spend three to four months a summer along the Katmai coast, filming, watching and talking to the bears. "I met him during the summer of '98 at Hallo Bay,'' said Stephen Stringham, a professor with the University of Alaska system. "At first, having read his book, I thought he was fairly foolhardy ... (but) he was more careful than the book portrayed. "He wasn't naive. He knew there was danger." NO PROTECTION Despite that, Treadwell refused to carry firearms or ring his campsites with an electric fence as do bear researchers in the area. And he stopped carrying bear spray for self-protection in recent years. Friends said he thought he knew the bears so well he didn't need it... [more] http://www.adn.com/front/story/4110831p-4127072c.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:22:02 -0600 (CST) From: Garry Dormody Subject: Re: don't have to hunt to enjoy outdoors Mr. Bezina's tirade smacks of misinformation and personal prejudice. I hunt, but I would be lying to say that I "enjoy" the act of killing, although a quick, humane kill is ideal in a hunting situation. Like it or not, Mr. Bezina, hunting is a part of the outdoor experience; not the whole experience, just a part, and not for everyone. Don't forget that many hunters also take to the woods out of season. If Mr. Bezina isn't a vegetarian I'd like for him to see how some domestic animals are kept and dispatched in some cases. It is certainly not always quick or humane. Some of those eggs he enjoys, for example, might come from chickens which are caged and not allowed any movement just to make egg production more efficient. I've seen sheep dispatched with a hammer between the eyes, sometimes requiring more than one attempt. Mr. Bezina accuses hunters of "killing innocent animals". Well, Mr. Bezina, that burger you had last week, what was the cow guilty of, a drive-by mooing? I'm afraid Mr. Bezina's soapbox and reverance just ended up on the slaughterhouse floor. Garry Dormody Yellowknife P.S. Mr. Bezina, if you try to e-mail me in the next few days and I don't reply, please don't take it personally; it's just that I've gone hunting. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:40:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Ed Sieb" Subject: RE: Wildlife author killed, eaten by bears he loved Looks like another "Darwin Award" winner to boot. > [...]The fearless former drug addict from Malibu, Calif. > -- who routinely eased up close to bears to chant > "I love you'' in a high-pitched, sing-song voice... What, like Barney, the purple dinsaur? "I love you... you love me..." > A self-proclaimed eco-warrior, he attracted something > of a cult following too. Chuck Bartlebaugh of "Be Bear Aware,'' > a national bear awareness campaign, called Treadwell one of > the leaders of a group of people engaged in "a trend to promote > getting close to bears to show they were not dangerous. [...]" I guess the experiment failed. Oh well... Ed Sieb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:46:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: EASTER WON'T SAY WHY GUN REGISTRY IS A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN DNA House of Commons Debates Wednesday, October 8, 2003 ORAL QUESTION PERIOD Unedited copy - not official until printed in Hansard * * * Mr. Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton-Melville, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, real criminals are still on the loose because of cutbacks in DNA analyses at RCMP labs. Yet at the same time, the federal government continues to spend millions registering the guns of law-abiding citizens. We fully expect the minister to stand and continue his song and dance about how wonderful the registry is, but this is the question: Will the minister please explain why registering firearms is a higher priority than uncovering DNA evidence that would put real criminals behind bars? Hon. Wayne Easter (Solicitor General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, it has been a little while since we heard the song and dance from that member opposite on the same old issue on which he is continuing to have a real problem getting his facts straight. If he would look at yesterday's Hansard, he would see, in response to an answer from the member for Crowfoot, where I talked about the forensic labs where in fact we are increasing FTEs in Regina, where we are doing a better job of turnaround times. Those are the facts. We are doing a good job on the forensic labs, as well as on gun control. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:48:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Column of Tony Bezina People who espouse "reverence for all life" (meaning if someone else kills, milks, skins it for me, and if protecting it doesn't threaten my livelihood, it's OK) sound and look foolish as they stand there in their leather shoes, pants held up by a leather belt, leather wallet in those pants, belly full of ham and eggs, cream in their coffee, milk on their organic granola and leather seats in their yuppiemobile..... Not to forget the pharmaceuticals and cosmetics that they make pretty with and the animals in the medical labs that help develop the medicines and cures for their aches and ills. Then there's the gourmet dinners they feed their darling pets comprised of chunks of other animals........hypocritical hyperbole. Introducing a child to sport hunting instills a true reverence for life as does nothing else. I took my son hunting in his early teens after he became a credible rifle shot with his .22. We doubled on a pair of blue grouse when he potted one bird in the head and I took the other with my 20 gauge as it went airborne. I made him pick up his bird and handle it. We discussed it's beauty and how well equipped it was to survive. I asked him how he felt. He answered that part of him was glad and part of him was sad at the same time. Good answer! I told him that proved he was a hunter and not a killer. I feel the same way when I drop a deer. I explained to him that until we came along, these two birds were alive and well, enjoying life. He balked at cleaning it but was fascinated as I did. We examined the crops to see what they had been eating, cut open the gizzard, etc. He came away with an appreciation that meat on his plate meant an animal had died. Guys like Bezina?.....Bugs Bunny said it all......"What a maroon!" Kill the wabbbitt, kill the wabbitt.....I'm a wabbitt killer...... Todd Birch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:50:20 -0600 (CST) From: The Jordan's Subject: G&M Poll on ID cards Well thank goodness this poll has better results than the one on canoe.com (latest results also below are still not good even with lots more votes). Odd how two polls on the same thing can have such opposite results. Linda ================= Poll Results - Wednesday, Oct. 8, 2003 (1:30pm PT) Do you believe Canadian citizens should be required to carry identity cards? Yes 5287 votes (24 %) No 16880 votes (76 %) Total Votes: 22167 To vote go to: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031008/UMARTM/National/Idx Canoe's latest results: Q1: Are you in favour of a national identity card for each and every Canadian citizen? Total Votes for this Question: 6701 So far, 51% have voted for Yes. So far, 43% have voted for No. So far, 5% have voted for Not sure. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:10:36 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Montreal Gazette Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: You don't have to hunt to enjoy outdoors Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:13:39 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: Editor - Montreal Gazette Tony Bezina espouses a "reverence for all living things". I doubt very much that he practices what he preaches. Every time he washes his hands, he kills billions of innocent bacteria that did no one any harm. Every fly or mosquito he swats represents a potential of millions of offspring denied life. The house he lives in represents several trees' lives cut short, to frame in his walls. If he owns a pet, that in itself is slavery, not to mention the animal by-products in the pet food he feeds it. Even if he happens to be a total vegan, the plots of land in which his food is grown represents a disrespect for the natural plant life that would otherwise have flourished there. The only way for humans to do no harm to their biological brethren is to exterminate themselves, so that we can no longer contaminate the world. That is the lesson that he and his animal rights extremists are teaching our kids. Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #554 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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