From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #559 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, October 9 2003 Volume 06 : Number 559 In this issue: Re: BC Firearms License Re: Re: Canadian Firearm Registration Certificates PDF Re: RE: BC Firearms License Re: BC Firearms License Re: BC Firearms License Re: BC Firearms License RE: Column of Tony Bezina Re: BC Firearms License Biometric identifiers are on way, Coderre tells group [SASK] We go to the polls Nov. 5 Communist Party behind electoral bill Re: rocks Re: Re: BC Firearms License Re: The 'Pink Pistol Gang' Rides Again! RE: Canadian Firearm Registration Certificates PDF The story on BC Firearms Licenses FIREARMS ANALYST/TECHNICAL ADVISOR Failing grade Thieves grab gear from B.C. base Organizations favour race-based statistics ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:44:12 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: BC Firearms License RFOCBC wrote: > > Do your own homework, oh ye who thinks he knows everything. The law still exists, so you can't have been terribly effective at whatever it was you think you've done... And I don't think I know everything. And you're still anonymous. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:19:45 -0600 (CST) From: Mark L Horstead Subject: Re: Re: Canadian Firearm Registration Certificates PDF > From: Jim Powlesland > Date: 2003/10/09 Thu PM 03:01:09 EST > To: undisclosed-recipients: ; > Subject: Re: Canadian Firearm Registration Certificates PDF > It's a bit difficult to roll your own when all of the certificates are > for a single-shot rifle. > > Why not one or two for shotgun owners? > > Or better yet, a blank one so you can type in your own Unknowns, etc. But that's the beauty of this file. Click on the "Registration Certificates (PDF) link. You can now alter the certificates at will. Caution: Do not use the pull-down menus when one's mouth is full. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:33:29 -0600 (CST) From: Mark L Horstead Subject: Re: RE: BC Firearms License > From: "RFOCBC" > Date: 2003/10/09 Thu PM 03:40:39 EST > To: undisclosed-recipients: ; > Subject: RE: BC Firearms License > > Do your own homework, oh ye who thinks he knows everything. There is no need for this. Bruce asked a question. Somebody answered it. He asked another one. Your response to that was, at best, curt. Why not just provide a civil answer and save a flame war? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:26:20 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: BC Firearms License Mark L Horstead wrote: > > > From: "RFOCBC" > > Date: 2003/10/09 Thu PM 03:40:39 EST > > To: undisclosed-recipients: ; > > Subject: RE: BC Firearms License > > > > Do your own homework, oh ye who thinks he knows everything. > > There is no need for this. Bruce asked a question. Somebody answered it. He > asked another one. Your response to that was, at best, curt. > > Why not just provide a civil answer and save a flame war? > > Mark Kevin doesn't like me very much. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:26:42 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: BC Firearms License This is the first time I have heard of this kind of license. As a matter of geography I have also not heard what any BC org had or has been doing about it either. SO it seems neither has the CFD moderator...SO WHAT, don't you think he has enough to do as it is? If you know what the BC orgs have been doing please tell us about it and drop the pissing contest. __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumsit Contract : All Rights Reserved : Without Prejudice __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:28:59 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: BC Firearms License paul chicoine wrote: > This is the first time I have heard of this kind of license. As a matter of > geography I have also not heard what any BC org had or has been doing about > it either. SO it seems neither has the CFD moderator...SO WHAT, don't you > think he has enough to do as it is? > If you know what the BC orgs have been doing please tell us about it and > drop the pissing contest. Kevin isn't big on sharing, either. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:29:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Ed Sieb" Subject: RE: Column of Tony Bezina Oct 9/03 - 16:03 EDT -- Montreal Gazette just called to inform me that they are considering this letter for publication. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Editor, Montreal Gazette: Some people's prejudices transcend even facts and logic. I attribute this to simple ignorance, and a self-righteous romanticisation of forest fauna - the "Bambi-syndrome". True hunters not only hold a real "reverence for life", but also practice a truly holistic understanding of the natural world around them and just how integrated all life really is. Years ago, I hung around with a group of hunters who, after killing a deer, would kneel beside the animal, reverently stroke it's still-warm body and say a silent prayer thanking G-d for the bounty, and another prayer to the spirit of beast, asking forgiveness for taking it's life. The venison they harvested fed that hunter's family and close friends for a year. I don't know how much driving Mr. Bezina does on the autoroutes around Montreal; I hope he doesn't hit a deer on the highway. Urban encroachment, coupled with urban elitist refusal to allow suburban deer-culling has allowed the deer population to explode, outsripping the animal's natural food supply, and causing damage to suburban property. This is one example of elitist meddling and interferance in hunting's natural function in natural resource management. Mr. Bezina's elitist urban prejudices expose him as just one more citified ignoramus who is far too pleased with himself and oh so eager to let the rest of the world know it. Ed Sieb Ottawa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:13:22 -0600 (CST) From: Boris Gimbarzevsky Subject: Re: BC Firearms License >This is the first time I have heard of this kind of license. As a matter of >geography I have also not heard what any BC org had or has been doing about >it either. SO it seems neither has the CFD moderator...SO WHAT, don't you >think he has enough to do as it is? >If you know what the BC orgs have been doing please tell us about it and >drop the pissing contest. >__________ >Paul Chicoine >Non Assumsit Contract : All Rights Reserved : Without Prejudice >__________________________________________________ I was under the impression the the BC firearms license was no longer required and that FAC/PAL/POL took its place. I periodically used to buy one (the last one I found in an old wallet cost met $5), but I've heard nothing about a requirement for one from the gun clubs I belong to. Boris Gimbarzevsky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:32:47 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Biometric identifiers are on way, Coderre tells group http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031009/UIDENN/National/Idx Biometric identifiers are on way, Coderre tells group By CAMPBELL CLARK Thursday, October 9, 2003 - Page A4 OTTAWA -- Canadians will eventually have biometrics such as fingerprints or face scans on some of their identity documents, and the only question is which documents and when, Immigration Minister Denis Coderre said yesterday. As he presided over a conference on such identifiers, Mr. Coderre warned that the present systems of identifying people are not good enough, and the only question is whether biometrics are adopted gradually, or whether Canada moves to a national identification card for everyone. "One thing is certain: The biometric train has left the station. We have to ask ourselves: Where do we want to sit on that train? The status quo is unacceptable." If true, Mr. Coderre's stark declaration means that ordinary Canadians will have to get used to the idea of being fingerprinted, or having their eyes or faces scanned, possibly every time they leave the country or fly. Mr. Coderre has suggested a national identification card, but a parliamentary committee and others, including conference participants, have criticized that idea. He said that even without such a card, adding biometrics to existing cards or documents is inevitable. He noted that there is growing movement toward biometrics around the world. By the end of 2004, the United States will require biometric passports with face scans for foreigners who do not have to apply in advance for a visa and will collect fingerprints or scans on arrival from other foreigners. Only Canadian citizens will be exempt, although skeptics question how long that will last. Such technology is already in limited use in other countries; Europe requires fingerprints for all refugee claimants. Fast-track pilot projects already exist in North America, where some airports are equipped with iris scanners allowing frequent fliers to breeze through customs more quickly. Mr. Coderre has suggested Canada could adopt a national ID card, but many conference participants, even the biometric-friendly, suggested that the government walk before it runs. Some conference participants backed use of the cards for more limited means. The United Kingdom uses fingerprints to track asylum-seekers, for example, and some suggested Canada could do the same on permanent-resident cards used by landed immigrants, and eventually on passports. But some have deeper doubts about a national ID card. "Why do we need a national identification card?" asked Canadian Bar Association representative Gordon Maynard. "In this forum today, there's been lots of discussion about using biometric identifiers for the purpose of matching refugee claimants to criminal records or to try to identify multiple claimants. "But I'm a Canadian citizen, and I'm not an asylum seeker. I'm not an immigrant. I'm not coming to our borders, and I'm being told that perhaps we need a national identification card for a domestic purpose." Mr. Maynard noted that Mr. Coderre has cited the high cost of "identity theft" as a reason for a national identity card, but has not explained how such a card would prevent theft -- unless it is linked to a massive database of information about Canadians and Canadians must present it when they use government services or even their credit card. Mr. Coderre responded later that the reasons for a national identity card are "all of the above," including security, ease of travel, and the cost of identity theft. "The question today was not about why, it was about when," he said. The Immigration Minister's enthusiasm has been countered by skepticism from prime-minister-in-waiting Paul Martin and a parliamentary committee that panned the idea but left open the possibility of adding biometrics to travel documents such as immigrants' cards. Liberal MP Joe Fontana, the Commons immigration committee chair, said the issue cannot be studied because no one had identified why a card is needed. "What is Canada's imperative? Are we trying to find the illegal immigrants? "Or are we trying to identify ourselves?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:41:28 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [SASK] We go to the polls Nov. 5 http://sask.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=election_called031008 We go to the polls Nov. 5 WebPosted Oct 8 2003 11:30 AM CDT REGINA- Saskatchewan Premier Lorne Calvert will put the future of his party and his own political career on the line as he takes the province's voters to the polls on Nov. 5. Lorne Calvert calls an election. Today's call ends months of pre-election campaigning and four years of minority government in Saskatchewan. The election is seen by many as a gamble, as the premier faces a ballooning deficit that was eliminated by his predecessor Roy Romanow a decade ago. Calvert has blamed his financial woes on two consecutive droughts and last summer's lingering BSE scare for most of his financial woes, but the Opposition Saskatchewan Party is blaming bad leadership and policy. In the months leading up to the election, Saskatchewan Party Leader Elwin Hermanson and his shadow cabinet have lobbed several political grenades in Calvert's direction. Among them are several government-sponsored investments that went awry. Calvert responded by establishing an investment board made entirely of business leaders. He also restructured the management of government-owned companies, including the three main utilities and the auto-insurance program. The NDP's big orange election machine is now in overdrive and Calvert appears confident that after 12 years, the people of Saskatchewan want four more years of his party's leadership. "We will emerge at the end of the campaign with a sufficient lead to form a majority in the house," he told supporters at his nomination meeting Tuesday night. Calvert made the claim even though the NDP, led by Romanow, barely held on to power in the 1999 election. That minority government only survived when two Liberals joined the cabinet and allowed the government to hold power for four years. If the same thing happens this time, Liberal Leader David Karwacki says he won't play ball. "There won't be any deals," he said recently. "I've been very clear on that." The Liberals won't be the NDP's biggest problem in this election. The Saskatchewan Party is making inroads into many NDP strongholds, including such cities as Saskatoon. A poll published this past spring put the Opposition only four per cent behind the NDP in the province's largest urban centre. "I think we're going to do well because there's a call for change," said Hermanson. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:41:55 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Communist Party behind electoral bill http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/letters/story.asp?id=2CC9C5BC-D0AA-41E0-A8DB-3331185C16D0 Communist Party behind electoral bill The Gazette Letter to the Editor Thursday, October 09, 2003 The only thing missing from your Oct. 3 editorial "Bill gives hope of fairer party system" was proper credit to the Communist Party of Canada, which filed the initial suit that led to the Supreme Court decision stating the federal election law was unfair to small parties. If the bill giving smaller parties greater access to tax breaks and subsidies passes, we have the Communist Party - and not the Supreme Court or the federal government - to thank for a more democratic Canada. Vincent J. Guihan Ottawa © Copyright 2003 Montreal Gazette ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:54:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Yannis Marine" Subject: Re: rocks Synthetic "Commcool plus" it will be your best choice. It will not rust steel as quickly but it will stain if it stays for long period of time. What quantity do you need. I can ask my supplier. I use that coolant for my machines in the machineshop. Why don't you use plain fresh water and wipe your blade afterwards? Yanni Take your boaters exam online at www.yannismarine.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:05:02 -0600 (CST) From: Mark L Horstead Subject: Re: Re: BC Firearms License > From: Bruce Mills > Date: 2003/10/09 Thu PM 05:26:20 EST > To: undisclosed-recipients: ; > Subject: Re: BC Firearms License > Kevin doesn't like me very much. I remember past exchanges. I like you just fine, if that helps... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:05:36 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: The 'Pink Pistol Gang' Rides Again! On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Todd Birch wrote: > Right wing red neck that I am, I'd gladly train a 'pink pistol' to > shoot. We may not agree on other topics, but on this one, I stand > with them. A gun owner is a fellow gun owner. Politics does make strange bedfellows. (sorry I couldn't resist) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:06:02 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: RE: Canadian Firearm Registration Certificates PDF On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Jason Hayes - HHC wrote: > Try upgrading your copy of Acrobat reader. There are pull down menus > that allow you to change the make, model, etc. If you have an older > version of Acrobat, you may not be able to see that. Hey, hey, hey!!! Right you are. Very cool. :-) Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:07:36 -0600 (CST) From: Fred Hoenisch Subject: The story on BC Firearms Licenses I remembered some of the details, but to be sure, I called the BC Solicitor General DM's Office to ask them when they cancelled the BC Firearms License. What the lady told me was that the requirement is 'still on the books' but it isn't being enforced. BC's (old) CFO dropped the enforcement/requirement for the BC Firearms License a few years back and then the BC Liberals told Ottawa that it wasn't interested in funding the CFO's position when Ottawa cut the subsidies for it (I believe ATT requests etc... now go to NWEST in Edmonton). Anyway, as this 'requirement' is under control of BC's CFO - which no longer exists - it doesn't matter. You cannot go anywhere to purchase a BC Firearms License. So in short, BCWF and RFOCBC aren't doing a damn thing about it, because it isn't an issue. Fred in Victoria Director, RFOCBC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:23:45 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: FIREARMS ANALYST/TECHNICAL ADVISOR FIREARMS ANALYST/TECHNICAL ADVISOR Ottawa, ON Permanent position. The following government organization is responsible for this competitive process: Canadian Firearms Centre SALARY: $47,015 to $50,657 (PM-03) LANGUAGE: Bilingual imperative WHO CAN APPLY: Persons residing or employed within a 550-kilometre radius of Ottawa (includes Toronto, London, Sudbury, Montreal, Chicoutimi and Quebec City). WORK ENVIRONMENT: As an equal opportunity employer, Canada Firearms Centre is committed to achieving a skilled workforce reflective of the Canadian people. We encourage members of the following designated groups not only to apply but to self-identify: women, members of a visible minority group, Aboriginal people and persons with a disability. CHALLENGE: The incumbent of this position will be responsible for the research, identification and classification of firearms in support of licencing and registration programs and provision of authoritative advice and guidance to Registry staff, law enforcement agencies in Canada and in the U.S.A., federal/provincial departments and agencies regarding firearms issues, processing of applications received under the Act (e.g. registration via transfer; import/export authorizations, verifications, etc.); analysis and resolution of contentious cases referred to, or identified by the unit, to determine the need for notice of refusal/revocations. EDUCATION: Secondary school diploma or an acceptable combination of education, Firearms related courses and/or experience. EXPERIENCE: - - Experience in providing advice and guidance on the identification and/or classification of firearms/prohibited devices. - - Experience in analyzing, researching, investigating and responding to firearms related issues. - - Experience in preparing documents and correspondence. - - Experience in using various computer applications in a Windows environment. ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS / COMMENTS: " - - "An eligibility list may be established for the staffing of similar vacancies." - - "Candidates may be assessed by a variety of methods, which may include a written exam as well as an interview. " - - "Quote the reference number and clearly indicate your CITIZENSHIP. REFERENCE NUMBER: CCF79297DGKN34 CLOSING DATE: October 14, 2003 To apply: http://jobs.gc.ca/jobs/p030939e.htm For general information, visit our Web Site at: http://jobs.gc.ca/ - --- End of Job Poster in English. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:34:37 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Failing grade http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031009/COLETS09-6/TPComment/Letters Failing grade Globe and Mail Letter to the Editor By FRANK MALONE Thursday, October 9, 2003 - Page A24 Aurora, Ont. -- Re National ID-Card Plan Hobbled (Oct.8): Two criteria should drive technology investment: the delivery of identifiable and worthwhile societal benefits, and/or improved efficiency or productivity that translates into an economic benefit. With a national identity card, the criteria for technology investment is not met on any front. Non-economic benefits are not readily apparent, and the potential for abuse and loss of privacy is frightening. Similarly, there are no economic or productivity benefits. In fact, just the opposite is true: The only guarantee we have if we embark on such a folly is that implementing this system will cost vastly more than what was originally estimated. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:34:59 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Thieves grab gear from B.C. base http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031009/UNATSXI-4/National/Idx Thieves grab gear from B.C. base Thursday, October 9, 2003 - Page A9 Victoria -- Military officials at CFB Esquimalt are concerned about the theft of some specialized equipment. Lieutenant-Commander Gerry Pash said the items were in a truck used by the nuclear emergency response team at the base near Victoria. He said the gear includes instruments that look electronic but the thieves may not know what they've really got. CP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:35:20 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Organizations favour race-based statistics http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031009/UFANTM/National/Idx Organizations favour race-based statistics By CLAIRE GAGNÉ Thursday, October 9, 2003 - Page A14 Organizations in Toronto representing various racial groups say they are in favour of police collecting race-based statistics as long as they are used for a good purpose. Patrick Case, chairman of the Canadian Race Relations Foundation, said at a meeting in Metro Hll last night that he believes racial statistics can be beneficial in determining whether racial profiling exists. But the statistics must be collected with good intentions, he cautioned. Kim Murray from Aboriginal Legal Services agrees that Toronto police should collect race-based statistics, but says there must be community input into what statistics are collected and how they are used. Representatives from a variety of community groups gathered last night to discuss a draft report by the joint working group from the Toronto Police Service and its board that was set up in response to allegations of racial profiling in a series of Toronto Star articles last year. The report recommends that the board ask the provincial government to review the question of whether police officers should gather data and keep statistics on the race and ethnicity of offenders. The report also recommends that the term "racially biased policing" be used rather than "racial profiling." Ms. Murray said Aboriginal Legal Services is in favour of the new term because of what she says is a common view that racial profiling refers only to black people. "I personally don't care," Mr. Case said, adding that quibbling over terminology doesn't answer the question whether black Torontonians are being targeted by police. Denise Bernette, a radio broadcaster who works with the homeless in Toronto's black communities, said the recommendations in the report are useless if they just "sit on a shelf," as past reports have done. Toronto Police Association solicitor Tim Danson reiterated his client's position that racial profiling in Toronto is a public impression and not a reality, and said criminologists who have done research on the association's behalf have found that the large number of black inmates in the correctional system is simply a result of blacks committing more crimes. He was not prepared to release the research to the public or the police services board. Many people expressed concern that the process by which members of the community can complain about Toronto Police officers is flawed and that the working group's report is mistaken when it says "civilian oversight . . . is in fact, already in place to a sufficient degree." Alan Borovoy, general counsel for the Canadian Civil Liberties Association, called for "a system characterized by much more involvement of independent civilians in the complaint process." ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #559 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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