From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #560 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, October 10 2003 Volume 06 : Number 560 In this issue: BC Firearms Licence Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #559 FIREARMS TALLY A YEAR AWAY: COMMISSIONER Column: NATIONAL ID CARD WILL BE EXPENSIVE MESS Letter: Gun registry deception Teen charged in robbery, kidnapping Letter: There is no "massive backlog" of DNA casework at the Forensic USA - Gun industry close to winning exemption from liability suits Standoffs end peacefully PAROLEE NABBED AT GUNPOINT Farmer shoots cow, calf at protest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:41:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Todd Birch" Subject: BC Firearms Licence This has not been available for years. I had one of the last valid BC Firearms Licences. It saved my butt one time from an over zealous RCMP constable. I was driving north through Cache Creek on Hwy 97 and was stopped at one of the annual game checks. When asked if I was going hunting, I replied in the affirmative and was told to pull over. A Conservation Officer asked to see my hunting licence. I told him that I didn't have a current one, that I was going to purchase it at Williams Lake as I had done for a number of years. This got me into Chilcotin Guns, a must stop, which I would otherwise have by passed. The RCMP type backing him up asked where my firearms were. I asked why and he told me that he was going to confiscate them as I didn't have a valid hunting licence. I suggested he check the other licence in the folder which was my BC Firearms Licence. It allowed a resident to have a firearm with or without a valid hunting licence. I didn't have my FAC with me as it was not a requirement at the time. This kind of wrecked his day but the guy was a real bozo anyway. If I hadn't wanted to be hunting so badly, I ought to have let him take my guns. Why? (A) my ass was covered with the BC Firearms Licence and (B) I was legally transporting my non-restricted firearms in a non-hunting environment. I doubt that the Crown Prosecutor would have been happy with him. Todd Birch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:42:46 -0600 (CST) From: DAVEa1a80807 Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #559 In regards to the BC FIREARMS LICENSE, it was originaly designed for individuals who HAD TO TAKE FIREARMS off thier property; for whatever reason. EVEN MOVING FROM 1 RESIDENCE TO ANOTHER. Now the license is changed to a "BB AND PELLET GUN FIREARM LICENSE". You cannot hunt with it and is only available to BC residents 19 years and older, 20.00 dollars for 5 years and is available at most sporting Dave L. Worfolk Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > > Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, October 9 2003 Volume 06 : Number 559 [Please do not include the entire Digest to which you are responding in your message. BNM] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:46:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: FIREARMS TALLY A YEAR AWAY: COMMISSIONER NOTE: This article also appeared in the Calgary Sun. PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2003.10.10 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 30 BYLINE: STEPHANIE RUBEC, SUN OTTAWA BUREAU DATELINE: OTTAWA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= FIREARMS TALLY A YEAR AWAY: COMMISSIONER - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= The Canadian Firearms Centre won't come clean on the total cost of the gun registry until next fall, says its commissioner, Bill Baker. Baker told a Commons committee yesterday that he's still tallying up the costs, pointing out that the cash flows in from many departments and some paper trails have disappeared. "There were some limitations for going back in time because not all the records were kept," Baker said. "I think we're making good progress in achieving the objectives." Canada's auditor general said earlier this year that the gun registry program would cost $1 billion by 2005 - 500 times more than the Liberals said it would. Baker said this year's costs will be laid out in the Justice Department's performance report expected this month, but exactly how that money is spent won't be detailed until the centre is separated from the department and becomes its own entity next year. "We'll have a full departmental report next fall," Baker said. Baker told the committee the program's most recent request for $10 million in extra funds is intended to pay consultants updating the problem-plagued gun registration system. It has yet to be approved by Parliament. Solicitor General Wayne Easter said his government is concerned about cost overruns and denies that efforts have been undertaken to hide the true costs. "I've always come clean on this issue," he said. Canadian Alliance MP Garry Breitkreuz, chastised Baker and Easter for failing to come clean. "This is not something that takes rocket science to determine," Breitkreuz said. Breitkreuz accused the Liberals of stalling on releasing details of the bloated budget to give Paul Martin time to settle into the Prime Minister's Office. "The politics behind this is one of stonewalling," he said. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:47:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Column: NATIONAL ID CARD WILL BE EXPENSIVE MESS PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2003.10.10 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial/Opinion PAGE: 11 BYLINE: LICIA CORBELLA, CALGARY SUN DATELINE: CALGARY - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- NATIONAL ID CARD WILL BE EXPENSIVE MESS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Upon arriving in the newsroom on Tuesday, Calgary Sun city editor Dave Naylor told me a story about federal bureaucracy that is so ridiculous it made me laugh - initially anyway. Dave's 61-year-old father, Michael, is a hard-working, taxpaying, law-abiding landed immigrant from Britain. Now, while it's acknowledged there are some 60,000 refugees who have been ordered deported from Canada that no one can find, the elder Naylor is very easy to find, indeed. He's been in Canada for 36 years, has lived in Calgary for 30 years, raised two successful kids and has five grandkids. As a result of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the feds now require all landed immigrants, also called permanent residents (PR), to get a PR plastic card to replace the piece of paper they received upon landing in Canada. Naylor doesn't have a problem with that. He sent in his forms, paid a $50 fee, but when he went to pick up his card, a sharp-eyed federal employee gave Naylor the once-over, asked to measure him and noticed a four-centimetre discrepancy in his height. "The last time I was measured for height was when I was in school," Naylor says with a chuckle. "So, while I've gained a few inches around my middle, it would appear I have shrunk more than an inch in height." Naylor says he understands the requirement to have correct information on the cards. "I don't have any great axe to grind," insists Naylor. "I started this process in March, it's now October and come the first of the year, I'm not going to be able to get back in the country should I have to leave." While the $50 processing fee, which he will have to repay, is not a hardship for him, he says he doesn't understand why the correction needs to be so time-consuming for both himself and the bureaucracy. Instead of just sending the card back with a note to change the height portion, Naylor must reapply from scratch and submit another $50. Meanwhile, as I spoke with Naylor, a new interim report to a Commons committee revealed that the cost of Immigration Minister Denis Coderre's proposal for a national identity card would hit $7 billion. When you consider the $1-billion gun registry was only supposed to cost $2 million, just imagine what the real costs in dollars will be if all Canadians are required to carry a high-tech card with biometric information such as iris scans and fingerprints. If the feds say it will cost $5- to $7 billion, it will cost much more. Then there's the cost to our privacy and the risk of identity theft, which is a growing crime around the world. So open to abuse is such a card that Alberta's own privacy commissioner, Frank Work, says he would refuse to get one should they become mandatory. "They can come and get me," says Work. "This card would make everyone more vulnerable to criminals by putting all of your eggs in one basket," says Work, who adds Coderre has not revealed what problem he's trying to fix with this card. Coderre hosted a biometrics forum in Ottawa this week that critics say is unfairly stacked with supporters of such a Big Brother ID card, so popular with dictators. Ann Cavoukian, the Ontario information and privacy commissioner who is considered a world expert on biometrics, says she was denied access to the forum. Canadian Alliance MP Diane Ablonczy, who sits on the citizenship and immigration committee that tabled the interim report on the card, says the cost of the card could finance the entire immigration system for 20 years. "This minister lacked money for border officers, security checks abroad, and to remove known foreign criminals. And yet he has money to sell his ID card scheme," she fumed. And, if it cost Naylor another $50 to change something as simple as his height on a much-less-complicated card, just imagine how much all of our wallets will shrink if the feds put our fingerprints and iris scans on a card? It's not such a funny story now, is it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:48:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Gun registry deception PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal DATE: 2003.10.10 EDITION: Final SECTION: Letters PAGE: A19 BYLINE: Larry Chevalier - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gun registry deception - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It all started with the three lying justice ministers and now Solicitor General Wayne Easter continues the tradition. Did he actually say (and expect anyone to believe) that the gun registry "gives the national weapons enforcement-support team a greater ability to find illegal weapons?" In Easter's fairy tale, all the agents of the state need to do is type the words "illegal weapons" into the billion-dollar data base and out pops all the illegal weapons that are registered, complete with names and addresses. Even an idiot knows the registry can't do that until the Liberals' grand plan to make all firearms illegal in Canada is implemented. It would be interesting to ask the Solicitor General how many illegal weapons the registry has found. The truth is none but the lies will continue. Larry Chevalier, Edmonton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:48:55 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Teen charged in robbery, kidnapping PUBLICATION: The Chronicle-Herald DATE: 2003.10.10 SECTION: Metro PAGE: A12 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Teen charged in robbery, kidnapping - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A 16-year-old boy has been charged with the robbery and kidnapping of a delivery truck driver Saturday in Dartmouth. The driver was kidnapped at about 12:45 p.m. while he was picking up an order at Cash and Carry at 800 Windmill Rd. Two robbers in a stolen van threatened the driver with a gun, stole his van, which contained cigarettes, and forced the driver to go with them, police said. The driver was released uninjured a short time later. Halifax Regional Police arrested the 16-year-old at his Halifax home Tuesday morning without incident. Both stolen vans and the stolen cigarettes were recovered on Windmill Road. The boy was scheduled to appear in Halifax provincial youth court Thursday on charges of robbery, kidnapping, possession of stolen property and various firearms-related offences. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:50:30 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: There is no "massive backlog" of DNA casework at the Forensic PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2003.10.10 EDITION: National SECTION: Editorials PAGE: A17 COLUMN: Letters BYLINE: J. L. Buckle SOURCE: National Post DATELINE: OTTAWA NOTE: J. L. Buckle, assistant commissioner, Forensic LaboratoryServices. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Forensic lab reform - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Re: RCMP Lab Swamped, Cases in Peril, Oct. 6. There is no "massive backlog" of DNA casework at the Forensic Labs. In fact, as of Sept. 26, 2003, the Forensic Laboratory Services reported 615 DNA cases in active analysis, 30 cases open and ready to be entered into analysis, and 38 unopened. This is in sharp contrast to the numbers reported in the article. As well, allegations of jeopardy to criminal investigations are unsubstantiated. We work closely with our policing partners to ensure that we meet their needs, and will expedite the processing of samples from high risk cases as warranted. The Forensic Laboratory Services began to restructure its services in 2000 following the Auditor-General's recommendation for a more efficient national laboratory system. The majority of changes have already been implemented through restructuring, with completion by April, 2004. The result is enhanced scientific integrity of operations, overall efficiency, cost effectiveness and timeliness of service. The Forensic Laboratory Services continues to be supported by the RCMP, and its restructuring was an exercise in enhancing effectiveness and efficiency and not a cost cutting initiative. The Auditor-General's recommendations rose primarily from delays in the processing and reporting on DNA cases. Although we have made substantial improvements in this area, we are still working to meet our self-identified target turn-around times. Present turn-around times compare favourably with those of other domestic and international DNA laboratories, but we continue to strive for higher standards. As a result of the Auditor-General's report, the Forensic Laboratory Service no has tactical plan to improve response times. Particular interest has been focused on the status of the Regina laboratory. It will remain a working laboratory with DNA technology, as well as firearms technology. The staff complement will increase by two from the 36 positions in place prior to restructuring. The entire national restructuring will result in 25 transfers across all disciplines. No employees have been transferred against their will or have lost their jobs. Staff unable to relocate have been accommodated at their current work location and salary level. In fact, many promotional opportunities became available to staff as a result of the restructuring. The success of the Forensic Laboratory Services belongs to the many dedicated employees who have worked very hard during this period of restructuring. J. L. Buckle, assistant commissioner, Forensic Laboratory Services, Ottawa. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:52:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: USA - Gun industry close to winning exemption from liability suits PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2003.10.10 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A10 BYLINE: Jesse J. Holland SOURCE: The Associated Press DATELINE: WASHINGTON - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Gun industry close to winning exemption from liability suits - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= WASHINGTON -- After years fending off lawsuits, gun manufacturers appear close to getting Congress to exempt them from suits blaming them for gun crimes and seeking millions of dollars in damages. Republican Senator Larry Craig of Idaho has 44 Republican co-sponsors for his bill to immunize gun manufacturers and distributors from lawsuits arising out of the use of guns in crimes. And despite a threatened filibuster by some Democrats, the bill also has the support of 10 Democrats, among them Senate Minority leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota. "It is a misuse of the civil justice system to try to punish honest, law-abiding people for illegal acts committed by others without their knowledge or involvement," Mr. Daschle said two weeks ago. He began promoting the legislation after gun supporters agreed to specify that firearms manufacturers and distributors would not be protected from lawsuits involving defective products or illegal sales. Since 1998, at least 33 municipalities, counties and states have sued gunmakers, many claiming that manufacturers, through irresponsible marketing, allowed weapons to reach criminals. None of the suits have yet to result in a manufacturer or distributor paying any damages. Private groups also have sued, including the NAACP, which said guns "led to disproportionate numbers of injuries, deaths and other damages" among minorities. That case was thrown out of federal court in July. Thirty-three states already have laws on the books exempting gun manufacturers and distributors from such suits. The House in April passed the bill to extend the prohibition on such suits nationwide and President George W. Bush has said he'll sign it. What has blocked it is the promise of a filibuster by gun control advocates among Senate Democrats. It's a tactic they have used effectively this year to stall some of Mr. Bush's judicial nominees. To end a filibuster requires the votes of 60 senators, and Mr. Craig said that with 10 Democrats now on his side, he was confident five of the six Republican senators who are not co-sponsors of the bill will supply the votes he needs to break any filibuster. "I think I have my 60 votes to proceed when necessary," Mr. Craig said. Gun control advocates -- including some representing victims of last year's sniper rampage in the Washington, D.C., area -- say they still plan to lobby heavily in hopes of changing a few minds in the Senate. Gun advocates say firearm makers shouldn't be forced to spend millions of dollars fighting off lawsuits designed only to win large rewards and bankrupting them for making a legal product. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:01:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Standoffs end peacefully PUBLICATION: The Leader-Post (Regina) DATE: 2003.10.10 EDITION: Final SECTION: City PAGE: B3 SOURCE: The Leader-Post - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Standoffs end peacefully - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regina police cordoned off two residences in the downtown Thursday in response to separate complaints of unwanted guests. Both calls ended without incident, said police services spokesperson Elizabeth Popowich. "At 1:05 p.m. a female living in the 1300 block of Victoria Avenue called to report some unwanted guests had entered her house,'' Popowich said. Patrol officers and negotiators attended and established a perimeter around the residence, she said, explaining police were extra cautious because of a couple of incidents earlier in the day. "Two female residents came out of the house, but we felt there were still some people in the house and we wanted to talk to them,'' Popowich said. Police negotiators were unable to establish contact, she said, explaining that by mid-afternoon police were able to secure the house. "A search of the house produced one adult female and a handgun. It is not known whether there is any connection to the other two incidents,'' she said, explaining the woman was taken into custody for questioning. Earlier in the morning two men, one armed with a firearm where spotted by an area resident getting into a car in the 1600 block of Ottawa Street. Police responding to the call discovered the vehicle had been stolen. A short while later a man living in a house in the 1900 block of Montreal Street heard people entering his home and escaped by climbing out onto the roof of the house. City work crews pruning trees in the area spotted the man on the roof and used their cherry-picker to rescue the man before calling police. Police cordoned off the area and brought in negotiators. When there was no response, police secured and searched the house only to discover no one was in the building. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:16:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: PAROLEE NABBED AT GUNPOINT PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2003.10.10 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 10 BYLINE: LAURA CZEKAJ, OTTAWA SUN - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PAROLEE NABBED AT GUNPOINT - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A federal parolee was arrested during a high-risk takedown by the province's fugitive-hunting ROPE squad yesterday on a busy downtown street. Officers arrested Dennis Warner at gunpoint at around 12:45 p.m. near 340 Laurier Ave. The 32-year-old gave himself up without incident, said Staff Sgt. Dave Lengacher. "The officers are still conducting the investigation," he said. Charges are pending against Warner, who was expected to appear in court today. VANIER SHOOTING Police want to question Warner in connection with an incident where shots were fired near a Vanier apartment building at about 9:30 p.m. last Friday. Two men were arrested shortly after the shooting at the Blake Blvd. building that sent one man to hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. Police said a 21-year-old man had gone to a third-floor apartment to meet the occupants when he was attacked by four men. The man was able to escape from the apartment and at least two shots were fired from a handgun. Police are looking for another man linked to the shooting. Anyone with information is asked to call major crime at 236-1222, ext. 5428. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:18:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Farmer shoots cow, calf at protest PUBLICATION: The Leader-Post (Regina) DATE: 2003.10.10 EDITION: Final SECTION: Business & Agriculture PAGE: B4 / Front BYLINE: Ann Carroll SOURCE: CanWest News Service DATELINE: MONTREAL - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Farmer shoots cow, calf at protest - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= MONTREAL -- When the Quebec federation representing beef producers asked its members to stage demonstrations against the mad cow crisis, they didn't expect a farmer would shoot his cow dead. But that's what happened on Thursday when beef producers gathered in a mock cattle enclosure at St. Bruno du Lac St. Jean, 250 kilometres north of Quebec City, and a farmer suddenly shot two animals -- a cow and its calf -- with a rifle. Their carcasses were then dumped in a pit. The Federation des producteurs de boivins du Quebec denounced the shooting by an irate rancher. "It was deplorable, but it also shows the despair felt by beef producers," said Denise Audet, a federation spokesperson. The federation had asked members "to organize peaceful and symbolic events" to draw attention to their plight in the aftermath of the discovery in May of one case of mad cow disease in Alberta, Audet said. "We wanted forceful demonstrations, not violence." A federal program to bail out beef producers and slaughterhouses across the country ended on August 31. Even with Quebec's $57-million share, the beef industry here was out of pocket $30 million from May to August 31, Audet said. Losses between now and December could mount to $52 million, she added, and the federation has asked Quebec for $30 million in emergency aid. Quebec officials are doing their best and don't appreciate the beef producers' pressure tactics, says an aide to Quebec Agriculture Minister Francoise Gauthier. 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