From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #565 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, October 11 2003 Volume 06 : Number 565 In this issue: GUN CASE FIRES BLANKS Column: Liberals' firearms registry...victimizes legitimate gun owners Alleged murder plot thwarted, police say Targets 'connected' to local EX-CON CHARGED IN VANIER SHOOTING Gem thief shoots jeweller Chinese astronauts will have "..handguns, knives and other "defen Charest denounces the televised killing of cows by Quebec ranchers Loads for .43 Mauser 11.15x 60 R - John Fowler Quebec minister ridicules police action 'If we move out now, dealers take over' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:52:32 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: GUN CASE FIRES BLANKS PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2003.10.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 5 BYLINE: TONY BLAIS, COURT BUREAU - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- GUN CASE FIRES BLANKS BUSINESSMAN PLEADS TO LESS-SERIOUS OFFENCES - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Criminal charges against the owner of a city electronics store for shooting a would-be thief have been dropped in exchange for a pleadout to less-serious offences. Shand King, owner of electronics store Audio 5.1, was slated to have a preliminary hearing in November on charges of aggravated assault, discharging a firearm with intent to endanger life, careless use of a firearm, possession of an unlicensed firearm, possession of a prohibited or restricted weapon, and possession of a weapon obtained by crime. FOUR OF SIX CHARGES WITHDRAWN However, the case was brought forward several weeks ago and four of the six charges were withdrawn after the 45-year-old pleaded guilty to possessing a prohibited or restricted gun, and possession of an unlicensed rifle. Court documents reveal King was fined $460 and slapped with a 10-year firearms prohibition. The two guns in question, a .38-calibre revolver and a ..22-calibre rifle, were ordered forfeited to the city police. When contacted at the store yesterday, King said he wasn't allowed to talk about the case. "Don't call me, please, don't call me, please," he said. Crown prosecutor Bonnie Parker said the four charges were withdrawn because there was no reasonable likelihood of getting convictions. "I didn't feel there was sufficient evidence for the prosecution to proceed," said Parker. Cops charged the St. Albert man after a March 9 shooting when would-be thieves rammed a stolen Chevy Blazer tail-first through the front of his 10326 63 Ave. store. Two culprits were trying to pry a $20,000 plasma TV from a wall when a shot was fired from inside the building, said police. More shots were fired as the crooks fled in a waiting car, leaving the Blazer behind. About 25 minutes later, hospital staff called police about a man, Michael Herbert Hamilton, 29, who claimed he'd been shot in a drive-by shooting. An investigation showed Hamilton had been shot during the break-in. Controversy arose when police said they were not charging Hamilton with breaking into the store, but were going to use him as a witness in the case against King. Hamilton appeared yesterday in Lethbridge provincial court on charges of public mischief and possession of a stolen vehicle and is slated to reappear on Oct. 24. DETECTIVES SUPPORT POSITION Edmonton police spokesman Annette Bidniak said yesterday that detectives in the case supported the Crown's position to withdraw the four charges. However, police are sticking by their decision to lay the charges against the shopkeeper, said Bidniak. "They felt this case was too serious to make a decision on their own so everything gathered on the file was passed onto the Crown," said Bidniak. She added police still warn against vigilante reactions. "It can end up ruining their life. It's just not worth it." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:53:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Column: Liberals' firearms registry...victimizes legitimate gun owners PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2003.10.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial/Opinion PAGE: 10 BYLINE: NEIL WAUGH, EDMONTON SUN COLUMN: Editorial - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= OUR UNSAFE STREETS - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Edmontonians are rightfully shocked and horrified by a recent rash of murders, high-speed chases and violent crimes, many involving attempts by criminals to ram or otherwise harm police officers and their vehicles while making their escape. It was bad enough that we had to read about the recent takedown of an allegedly armed fugitive, who had gone on a rampage, with the help of a stun grenade and an Edmonton Police Service tactical unit that looked more like combat soldiers than peace officers. But it only got worse when two rural RCMP officers were injured as a felon escaped in their police cruiser. Top it off with the gangland-style slaying in Mill Woods and it's a week most Edmontonians would rather forget. Considering the fellow captured by the tactical squad had reportedly been released by a justice of the peace following an earlier incident, there are clearly some very serious questions here about how the justice system is being administered. And Mayor Bill Smith's boast that Edmonton is the best city in the best province in the best country may be ringing a little hollow. Edmonton police Chief Bob Wasylyshen pins much of this new and frightening criminal violence on the growing use of the drug methamphetamine and the violent tendencies trigged by addiction to meth. Edmontonians need to know that they live in a safe and peaceful city. And they must have the political leaders to make it so. Now, we are not talking about new, draconian laws that oppress and erode the freedoms of ordinary, law-abiding citizens far more than they restrict the activities of criminals. The Ottawa Liberals' national firearms registry, for instance, was hailed as a major crime-fighting tool. This grossly expensive boondoggle has been anything but, as it mostly victimizes legitimate gun owners while those who commit crimes with firearms go about their violent and deadly business as usual. The person who should be making sure police have all the support and resources they need is Alberta Solicitor General Heather Forsyth. Alas, she is nowhere to be found, because from Oct. 6 to Oct. 16, her office said, she's away on a jolly junket to Melbourne and Sydney, Australia. Forsyth is scheduled to attend a "crimestoppers" conference where she will lecture Australians and folks from around the world on "initiatives Alberta has taken to combat crime." Really? Like what? Judging from the recent wave of high-profile incidents, the Alberta Tories would serve citizens far better by doing something about crime here, rather than spending $13,350 for Forsyth to jet halfway around the world. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:54:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Alleged murder plot thwarted, police say Targets 'connected' to local PUBLICATION WINNIPEG FREE PRESS DATE : SAT OCT.11,2003 PAGE : A8 CLASS : City EDITION : - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Alleged murder plot thwarted, police say Targets 'connected' to local drug gang - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Bruce Owen CITY police allege they foiled a murder plot that targeted two brothers connected to a local drug gang early yesterday when two Edmonton men were arrested outside a St. Boniface strip club. The arrest capped a two-week investigation that started when a 19-year gang member was shot outside his house. It also highlighted the capacity for violence within the drug world as gangs vie for dominance. "Last night was a good night for our side," a police anti-gang investigator said. Police learned of the murder bid earlier this week when information came forward that two Edmonton members of an aboriginal-based street gang were going to come to Winnipeg and "finish the job" -- a job that started with the ambush of Gene Malcolm Sept. 26 outside a Hallet Street house. Police believe Malcolm, who is recovering in hospital with a single bullet wound, was shot -- and the two brothers were targeted -- as part of an internal dispute between members of the same gang. Sgt. Al Bradbury of the organized crime unit said investigators learned of the murder plan against the two brothers earlier this week. "We're quite fortunate no violence took place," he said. "We found out about it. That doesn't happen very often." Police say two men arrived in the city from Edmonton on Thursday and armed themselves with sawed-off shotguns. They also recruited four other local gang members to help them ambush and kill both brothers. Bradbury said late Thursday detectives arrested the suspects as they left Teasers Nightclub on Archibald Street A search of their vehicle produced two loaded sawed-off shotguns. A third shotgun and handgun were located in a search of a Simcoe Street residence. Arthur Sinclair, 29, Shane Steinhauer, 27, Tyson Roulette, 18, Justin Meeches, 25, Cecil Cameron, 19 and Dwayne Simard, 20 have each been charged with two counts of conspiracy to commit murder, possessing prohibited weapons and other numerous firearms related offences. All have been detained in custody. Meanwhile, Edmonton police have arrested two men suspected of shooting Malcolm. Lawrence Keith McIvor, 26, and Clinton Alexander Letandre, 26, have both been charged with attempted murder and numerous firearms offences. Clinton was arrested last week and Letandre was arrested yesterday. bruce.owen@freepress.mb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:56:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: EX-CON CHARGED IN VANIER SHOOTING PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2003.10.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 9 BYLINE: LAURA CZEKAJ, OTTAWA SUN - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= EX-CON CHARGED IN VANIER ATTACK - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= A convicted drug dealer appeared in court yesterday after being charged with attempted murder in connection with a Vanier shooting a week ago. Dennis Clinton Warner, 32, will return to court on Oct. 16 and is facing charges of attempted murder, forcible confinement, assault with a weapon and various firearm-related charges. Warner was arrested at gunpoint Thursday afternoon on Laurier Ave. by the province's fugitive-hunting ROPE squad. TWO SHOTS FIRED Police allege Warner was involved in a shooting near a Blake Blvd. apartment building on Oct. 3 that sent one man to hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. Police said a 21-year-old man had gone to a third-floor apartment to meet the occupants around 9:30 p.m. when he was attacked by four men. The man escaped from the apartment and at least two shots were fired from a handgun. Two men were arrested near the scene of the shooting that same night. Police are still searching for the fourth suspect, who is described as a non-white male, 23 years old, 5-foot-6, and weighing 150 lbs. Anyone with information about the suspect's whereabouts is asked to call the Ottawa police major crime unit at 236-1222, ext. 5477. Warner has been on full parole since Dec. 10, 2001 after serving six years in prison for conspiracy to traffic in narcotics, assault, possession of cocaine and forcible confinement. National Parole Board documents state Warner's offences "all related to (his) participation in a large-scale cocaine trafficking ring in the Oshawa area" inwhich he was identified as the "principal conspirator." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:57:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Gem thief shoots jeweller PUBLICATION GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: SAT OCT.11,2003 PAGE: A17 BYLINE: COLIN FREEZE CLASS: Toronto News EDITION: Metro DATELINE: WORDS: 499 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Gem thief shoots jeweller Robber, disguised in brown UPS uniform, accomplice hit Sherway Gardens store - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= A diamond thief disguised as a UPS delivery man shot a jeweller before he and an accomplice ran off with gems stolen in a well-planned heist at a west-end mall yesterday morning. The Symphony Diamonds store in Etobicoke's Sherway Gardens mall was robbed shortly after 9 a.m. A man dressed in the distinctive brown of the United Parcel Service knocked on the door of the store as it opened, saying he had a package to deliver. The ruse worked. As soon as the store's owner opened up, the man took out a gun. Then he and another another man, dressed in black, grabbed jewellery and began loading it into a duffle bag. "Once they got in there the UPS guy pulled a handgun and forced them to give them jewellery and cash," said Detective Sergeant Wilf Townley of the Toronto Police hold-up squad. But the robbery was cut short when the store's alarm company called to see whether everything was okay. "One of the bandits answered the phone. It just sort of spooked him, so he grabbed the bag with all the merchandise in it and took off," the detective said. The owner chased the thieves as they headed for the mall exit. When he got within 15 metres of the fleeing men, one of them fired the gun. The bullet hit the owner in the shin. Police say the owner, who was taken to hospital with non-life-threatening injuries, was lucky. "It could have hit him anywhere, it wasn't aimed or anything," Det. Townley said. The bandits escaped in a silver Honda Civic. Police are reviewing surveillance cameras. They will not say how much jewellery was stolen from the high-end diamond store. Representatives of the mall say they hadn't seen a violent robbery like this in the mall's 30-year history. "It's a totally isolated incident for Sherway Gardens," a spokesman told reporters at the scene. "It's had a reputation over the last 30 years of being a safe, secure place to shop and it's kind of startling when it happens this close to home." The first suspect is described as a blond man in his 30s, wearing a UPS uniform. The second man was dressed in black head to toe. Police describe the robbery as well planned, but the thieves are not the first to use bogus uniforms. Around the world, UPS uniforms have been used by robbers. For example, a truck with L 250,000 worth of golf clubs was robbed by a man in a UPS uniform in England this past summer. Last January, the theft of a UPS uniform was linked to a suspect in the kidnapping of a Greenwich, Conn., multimillionaire. In the past, Toronto bandits have also used bogus uniforms to aid them in the robberies. "We've had people doing all sorts of things," Det. Townley said. "A bank robber once did a robbery in police uniform." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:59:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Chinese astronauts will have "..handguns, knives and other "defen NOTE: THEY WANT TO HOPE THEY DON'T LAND IN CANADA, EH? PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal DATE: 2003.10.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A15 SOURCE: The Associated Press DATELINE: BEIJING ILLUSTRATION: Photo: The Associated Press / The CZ-2F rocket is expectedto carry the Shenzhou 5 spacecraft into orbit next week. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chinese 'taikonauts' to blast off next week - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- BEIJING - After months of speculation, China announced plans Friday to launch a manned capsule into orbit next week and enter one of humanity's most rarefied clubs, that of the space-faring countries. The tentative date: between Wednesday and Friday of next week, "at a proper time." The number of orbits for the still-unidentified first Chinese "taikonaut" and the Shenzhou 5 craft: 14. The announcement, which represents both a technological and political victory for China's leaders, was sent as a flash on the wire of the government's Xinhua News Agency. It confirmed a date that many state-controlled Chinese newspapers had been leaking for days. So common has the knowledge become that travel agencies are organizing tours to the province where the launching pad is located. "All preparatory work for the launch is progressing smoothly," Xinhua quoted an unidentified space-program official as saying. The military-linked program is highly secretive, and access to its officials is next to impossible. The launch, scheduled for the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Centre in the northwestern province of Gansu, will make China the third country to put a human into space on its own. The former Soviet Union sent Yuri Gagarin up in 1961 and the United States launched Alan Shepard less than a month later. But the world is different now. Instead of a competitive "space race," which consumed Washington and Moscow, China's entry into human space travel has a less confrontational purpose: showing both its citizens and the world that it is a modern player bursting with the progress of a new century. On Friday, the popular Sina.com Web site reported that handguns, knives and other "defensive weapons" will be stored aboard the capsule as a precaution against landing in hostile environs. Astronauts "will be able to deal with wild beasts, sharks and other dangerous animals or enemies," it reported. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:59:55 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Charest denounces the televised killing of cows by Quebec ranchers DATE: 2003.10.10 CATEGORY: National general news PUBLICATION: cpw - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charest denounces the televised killing of cows by Quebec ranchers - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MONTREAL (CP) _ Quebec Premier Jean Charest denounced the televised shooting of a cow and calf to protest the lack of government support resulting from the mad cow crisis. ``I don't approve at all of the gestures made by producers and I don't think that Quebecers approve of them,'' Charest said Friday. The government's greatest effort since taking power in April has been on agricultural and food issues, including the mad cow crisis, he added. Charest told cattlemen that he has nothing to promise in the short term. ``We will proceed as quickly as possible and it's not by doing things like (Thursday) that they will better defend their cause.'' Meanwhile, the Quebec provincial police was investigating Thursday's incident to determine whether charges of a careless use of a firearm should be laid. Armed with search warrants, the police seized a video cassette recording of the televised images from a TV studio. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:00:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Loads for .43 Mauser 11.15x 60 R - John Fowler I load for the .43 Spanish (11.15x58 R) but I only use blackpowder. Cartridges of the World lists two powders for the .43 Spanish - 4198 and 3031. Considering the similarities in case length and bullet weight, you might want to consider these loads for the .43 Mauser: - - 32 grains 4198 - - 40 grains 3031 (max) These approximate the velocity of the original load but the pressures are another matter. This is one of the problems with smokeless loads in large volume blackpowder cases. Some recommended loads were intended for balloon headed cases and the charge much be reduced for modern solid head brass. The caveat is that the Mauser used a paper patched bullet whereas the .43 Spanish was a 'naked' bullet. I don't know if this would be a factor. I use a load of 40 grains of 3031/405FN in all my .45-70's, including H&R trapdoors for hunting. So far none of them has come apart but I would reduce that to 35 grains for an original. Presumably you would be shooting a Mauser rifle (M71-84) which should handle reasonable loads. Start low - build up. Better yet, don't bother messing with smokeless powder at all. It's just a passing fad. Todd Birch ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:01:11 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Quebec minister ridicules police action sound familiar? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031011/ UMERGM/National/Idx Quebec minister ridicules police action By TU THANH HA Saturday, October 11, 2003 - Page A13 MONTREAL -- In a rare public rebuke of the provincial police, Public Security Minister Jacques Chagnon yesterday said it was silly for the Sûreté du Québec to be keeping watch over people fighting municipal mergers. Mr. Chagnon's remarks came after activists complained that SQ investigators were trying to interview them to collect intelligence on the movement. The police force has confirmed it conducted inquiries, calling them preventive steps in case of social unrest. Mr. Chagnon said he hadn't been informed about the move. "If that had been the case he would have told the heads of the Sûreté du Québec that all of that was completely ridiculous," Mr. Chagnon's office said in a statement. The statement added that there was no criminal probe against antimerger advocates. "Several times in the past I congratulated the Sûreté du Québec on its actions but in this very occasion I must say that the initiative of certain SQ members isn't very serious." One activist, Ginette Durocher, a co-founder of the group Coalition des citoyens pour la renaissance de Saint-Bruno, said she was called three days ago by a detective-sergeant seeking an appointment with her. "We want to get to know you," she quoted him as saying. She said she refused to meet him. "This is an attempt at intimidation, at trampling on our freedom of speech," she said yesterday in an interview. "If we don't do anything about it, we'll turn into a police state." Two other activists were interviewed. Only those against the newly amalgamated city of Longueuil, south of Montreal, were targeted, even though the issue has aroused debates across Quebec. The South Shore activists want to reverse the amalgamation that two years ago lumped together eight bedroom communities including Saint-Bruno, Saint-Lambert, Brossard and Greenfield Park into Longueuil. But while the issue has been emotional, Ms. Durocher said there hadn't been any violent incidents. "We're not window breakers, we're not terrorists," she said. "We've acted impeccably in the last three years. We have 75,000 people at a march and there wasn't a single incident to report." She complained that Longueuil's pro-merger mayor, Jacques Olivier, has portrayed opponents in an alarming fashion. Appearing before Municipal Affairs Minister Jean-Marc Fournier at a legislative committee on Sept. 9, Mr. Olivier complained that city councillors were being harassed by demerger activists. At a press conference he called to discuss the matter, Mr. Olivier denied being behind the police inquiries, and called them "deplorable." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:01:50 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: 'If we move out now, dealers take over' "The problem started in certain apartments, but it doesn't end there. Residents of this neighbourhood, Shaughnessy Village - tenants and homeowners alike - are at their wits' end. Some have decided to carry weapons." photo is of three men, no faces showing, one holding an axe one holding a hammer and one holding a gun. http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/story.asp?id=F85F83FA-8D3C-42 06-8E2C-B08E54E223B0 NEWS STORY 'If we move out now, dealers take over' Downtown residents say they'll defend homes against drug trade crack cocaine sells briskly, 24 hours a day Drug merchants moved into the Fort and Tupper area about four months ago and run their trade openly SIDHARTHA BANERJEE The Gazette Saturday, October 11, 2003 CREDIT: PHIL CARPENTER, THE GAZETTE Some Shaughnessy Village tenants say they keep weapons at hand, out of fear of the drug dealers and junkies who have infested the area around Fort and Tupper Sts. ADVERTISEMENT A woman in her 20s is standing in front of a downtown apartment building, in tears and shaking violently. "What time is it?" she asks, her voice quavering. Lost in another world, she walks down a dark Tupper St. laneway looking for somebody. She finds no one and returns. "Oh, one more question," she says politely. "What day is it?" She's jonesing - street slang for craving something badly. She doesn't live in this neighbourhood, but she knows what she can find here. "Yo! Yo! Yo! You want rocks? I got rocks," a dealer yells, holding out tinfoil chunks for all to see. Drugs - mainly crack cocaine - cost between $20 to $40 a rock. Dealers do little to hide the fact they're selling. Business has been going on for about four months, under the eyes of residents. City police plead patience. They've made a few arrests, but the culprits always find their way back to the area. Investigations take time. Crack dealers do a brisk business here, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. They station themselves in multiple-apartment buildings while lookouts stand at either end of Tupper. Suppliers and moneymen arrive daily in expensive new cars and are gone in an instant. The problem started in certain apartments, but it doesn't end there. Residents of this neighbourhood, Shaughnessy Village - tenants and homeowners alike - are at their wits' end. Some have decided to carry weapons. They want police to do something before the problem gets even more out of hand. "We all have a stake in this neighbourhood - the residents and the police," resident Jeff Allain says. "If we move out now, then the dealers will take over. "I'm not moving. If it comes down to it, I will defend my home and my neighbours - not because I want to be a hero but because it's the right thing to do." 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