From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #568 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, October 11 2003 Volume 06 : Number 568 In this issue: Re: Column: Here's hoping Martin's actions clear up his shortage of Fw: Taking aim; Guns are tools of the trade for local officers, 11 Oct Re: Ruined Duck Hunt near Davidson, SK Musketry as a pillar of good citizenship RE: Rifle practice My letter to the Calgary Herald Lee Enfield No4MkI* Long Brach 1943 RE: Ruined Duck Hunt near Davidson, SK Hole in the border Some 'feel unsafe' in downtown Kitchener ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:03:58 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: Column: Here's hoping Martin's actions clear up his shortage of On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, Don Martin in the Calgary Herald wrote: > On runaway expense accounts in Ottawa and wanton waste of money on a > gun registry that doesn't accurately register weapons, Martin vows > to attack the problem with regular line-by-line scrutiny of > departmental budgets. Why didn't Martin do that when he was finance minister? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:04:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Hill" Subject: Fw: Taking aim; Guns are tools of the trade for local officers, 11 Oct Sent to the Waterloo Record today, Jim Hill Fletchers Lake, NS - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hill" To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: Taking aim; Guns are tools of the trade for local officers, 11 Oct 2003, LIZ MONTEIRO, Waterloo Record > To the editor, > > In the article regarding guns being tools of the trade for local officers, > there were some interesting statements made. Staff Sgt. Bob Gould said, "If > someone complies because of the threat of a gun, what a bonus. There's no > shooting." He also said, It's no good locked in your holster." > > These two statements have been made by the Responsible Firearms Community > for years yet legislation keeps our firearms locked up so tight they can > never be used to defend against a violent home invasion. We must take the > beating and if we survive we can call the police who will respond in > approximately 15 minutes (average response time) and they will then sit > outside the residence for hours until they are satisfied there is no danger. > If you are lucky enough to have survived this, it will not be because the > police used their firearms to protect "the public." > > I always get a chuckle of articles like the one written on the police and > their firearms and the fact they have to qualify each year. It was > mentioned they must make 45 out of 50 hits in "center mass" of the target. > This is where they depart from the RFC who attend ranges regularly and put > literally millions of rounds through their firearms. It is not unusual for > a single person to go through several hundred thousand rounds in a year. A > very large percentage of them would outshoot the police at the range during > their anuall requalification. > > I do note that Waterloo officers are required to go to the range at least > five times, something most agencies do not require nor will they even > provide ammunition to do so if the officer wanted. Waterloo is to be > commended on this. > > The interesting part is that we rarely hear of members of the RFC having > accidental discharges at their workplaces or shooting their fellow workers > at ranges. Not so with the police who, it seems, regularly have AD's, none > of which ever lead to charges I might add. > > The police are reactive in their jobs and therefore are useless to protect a > homeowner simply because they are never there when the home invasion takes > place. They arrive, pick up the pieces and lament the fact the laws should > be stronger to deal with these criminals, ignoring the fact that home > invasion is simply Breaking and Entering and committing an Indictable > Offence therein. This does carry a maximum sentence of life imprisonment, > so the law is there, it is just not enforced. > > If the homeowner were to protect him/herself by simply displaying a firearm > and not shooting, thereby thwarting the home invader and perhaps holding him > or them until the police arrived; it would then be the homeowner who would > end up charged and have his firearms seized. Typical Canadian Justice, > Liberal style! > > Jim Hill, RCMP,ret > Fletchers Lake, NS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:24:33 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: Ruined Duck Hunt near Davidson, SK On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, Edward Hudson wrote: > Although Cpl Warren stated that =93charges may be laid up to six > months after an incidence=94, it does not appear that further > investigation or charges are likely. When Dr Hudson asked what would > happen to his shotgun, Cpl Warren replied that he =93would like to get > this shotgun out of my evidence room as soon as possible, so I will > be asking for a destruction order, probably within the next month.=94 > Dr Hudson would then have to appear before a judge to show cause why > the firearm should not be destroyed. This is incredible. Destroying your property *after* you have been convicted of a crime in a court of law, I can understand. But the seizure of your private property and then destroying it *without a charge even being laid* is unbelievable. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:25:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Tom Falls" Subject: Musketry as a pillar of good citizenship Rick: "You go on leave in a country like Switzerland where shooting is a national obsession but with little or no opportunity to hunt (and get your ass kicked in a "friendly" rifle match by a couple of teenage girls, but I'm not going to tell that story)." My response: (singing) "Rick got beat by a girrrrull, Rick got beat by a girrrrulll!" (singing ends). Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:26:13 -0600 (CST) From: Rod Regier Subject: RE: Rifle practice Rick wrote: [snip] > You go on leave in a country like Switzerland where shooting > is a national > obsession but with little or no opportunity to hunt (and get > your ass kicked in > a "friendly" rifle match by a couple of teenage girls, but > I'm not going to tell > that story). And then you come home to Canada where we have > incredible > opportunities to hunt and look at the general disinterest > amongst most hunters > in actually practicing with their firearms. Kind of makes > you give your head a > shake. OTHO, the socialization of military rifle shooting is much higher In Switzerland: + Ranges with electronic target scoring in every town, + Youths slinging their service rifles on public transportation at they travel to practice. + Intense interest/public debate about selection of the next generation of service rifle! + Universal military service, With reserve soldiers until age 45 required to successfully qualify yearly With the service arm they keep at home, + practice ammunition sold at cost. Truly a nation of riflemen (and women?). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:34:57 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Calgary Herald Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Here's hoping Martin's actions clear up his shortage of details Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:37:44 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: Editor - Calgary Herald So, PM to be Paul Martin vows to attack the problem of "wanton waste of money on a gun registry that doesn't accurately register weapons" with "regular line-by-line scrutiny of departmental budgets". Why didn't Martin do this when he was Finance Minister? Make no mistake, Martin had his hands on the public purse strings while most of the billion dollars was being blown when this useless law was being implemented. He should be held accountable for this financial malfeasance, not given a free pass in the hopes that he might one day do better. Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:02:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Tom Falls" Subject: Lee Enfield No4MkI* Long Brach 1943 Subject rifle was re-bbl'd to 5.56mm and a scope (6-24) on a B-Square mount added. Poor "cheek-weld" now due to height of scope. Was looking in P&D today at a 1943 No4MkI* Long Branch that had been fitted with an ATI (?) LE No4 stock and scope mount and this seemed like a good combo. Anybody know if the B-Square holds the scope higher or lower than the ATI mount? Comments? Other suggestions? Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:02:55 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Pook" Subject: RE: Ruined Duck Hunt near Davidson, SK Hmmm.... This is interesting. Could it be a setup? Destroy the "evidence", then some time later lay the charges, only to have it thrown out of court at a later date due to lack of evidence. Lots of hassle for the gun owner and no threat that a charter challenge can be launched. Jim Pook Jim's Fishing Charters Box 326 Tahsis, BC V0P 1X0 www.jimsfishing.com jim@tahsisbc.com 1(888) 617-FISH (3474) Toll Free (250) 934-7665 Local ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:38:23 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Hole in the border http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1065737414487&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467 Oct. 11, 2003. 09:34 AM Hole in the border For years, booze and cigarettes have been smuggled across the Canada-U.S. border near Cornwall — now it could be terrorist MIRO CERNETIG QUEBEC BUREAU CHIEF CORNWALL—He hears the first shot while strapping on his bulletproof vest. Then a dozen more — hollow, rapid thuds of an assault rifle, the deadly staccato you usually associate with a wartime firefight. "Oh, oh," mumbles Sgt. Gilles Tougas, snapping his head up and staring across the St. Lawrence River at the treeline of the Akwesasne First Nations reserve. Sitting on the gunwale of his RCMP patrol boat, he looks for the gunman while radioing in to confirm that other Mounties patrolling the river haven't been hit. "That was an AK-47," he says. "That's worrying." Yet not worrying enough to stir a few dozen people sitting on lawn chairs beside the marina that is one of Cornwall residents' favourite spots for a sunset picnic. Pot-bellied men sit back and crack open cans of beer and stare at the pleasure boats. Others take heaping mounds of raw meat from coolers and toss them on the smoking Hibachis. "John," calls one woman, seconds after the gunfire. "Get off that chair and get me some more charcoal." Such is life on the river's edge of this sleepy town, situated on one of the most porous parts of the Canada-U.S. border. >From here, smugglers have used this river area to traffic in guns, drugs, alcohol and, especially, illicit cigarettes — and, possibily, and most alarmingly of all in the post-9/11 world, hundreds, if not thousands, of illegal immigrants. Yet it's all been happening for so long — even Al Capone and other Prohibition-era smugglers favoured this narrow section of the border — that most people are blasé. However, they're not in the position of a Mountie heading onto the river for night patrol, trying to spot that AK-47's muzzle flash, keep an eye open for terrorists and catch smugglers on the swift-flowing river. "Got a will prepared?" Tougas deadpans, poker-faced, as he pats his vest. "You know, these vests won't stop a round from an AK-47." The speedboat's engine throttles up and we head out onto the river at 80 km/h, just as the sun dips below the horizon and the waters blacken. On a map, a thin and perfectly marked line runs up and down the St. Lawrence, splitting it into its Canadian and American halves, with the islands of the Mohawk reserve straddling the border. The rules are simple for both countries' police, immigration and military forces who guard this stretch of the world's longest, undefended border: The U.S. authorities watch the south half of the river, the Canadians the north. But drifting along the St. Lawrence, with nothing more than faint starlight to light the way, that theory gives way to a more complicated reality: Canada's most vital river, used by Canadians, Americans and countless foreign traders as an artery into the continent's economic heartland, is a smuggler's — and possibly a future terrorist's — paradise. "We can't catch everyone crossing the border, we know that," acknowledges Tougas, who leads what is called the Integrated Border Enforcement Team (IBET), the joint task force that tries to co-ordinate Canadian and U.S. agencies in efforts to guarantee national security. "Stopping terrorism is our Number 1 priority. After 9/11, I can say our operations are better than ever." Yet still far from a sure thing, even after Ottawa's plan to spend more than $125 million on border security after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. When they wish to show off their improved border security, RCMP officers take visitors to a windowless room in their Cornwall detachment. The briefing always begins with a video that starts with the harrowing attack on New York. The narrator proclaims: "The terrorist attacks have forever changed this border and those who protect it." "The top priority of the IBET is to combat terrorism and terrorist activity," Tougas says. He is asked if he has found any possible terrorist activity on his stretch of the border. "Nothing identified," he says, adding there's also no proven link between terrorism and cigarette smuggling, obviously anxious to keep anyone from jumping to conclusions. As for the efficacy of the border patrols, it's better than ever, he says. Canadian and U.S. officials can call on each others' border officials to snare smugglers, and share intelligence, radio systems and high-tech surveillance methods, such as night-vision and heat-imaging equipment, some of it airborne. Then, the top Border Patrol agent for the United States strides into the room. It is quickly evident there is both a divergence in style and perspective on the touchy subject of the terrorism threat at the border. "It's a geographical nightmare," says Dick Ashlaw, thumping a map on the table that lays out the 100-kilometre stretch of the river border. Smugglers know border patrol agents are outnumbered, he says. A smuggler's speedboat can escape capture by racing into the Canadian side of the river, where U.S. border patrols are not allowed to follow, even in pursuit of a suspected criminal. The sort of man who fills a room just by being there, the swashbuckling Ashlaw has reduced the other dozen immigration, customs and police officials from both sides of the border seated at the table to silence. It's true, Ashlaw says, that in the last few years, greater security has resulted in less people- smuggling across his section of the river. He estimates the number of people caught sneaking across the border has declined to about 150 to 200 this year, from about 600 a year before. But he also admits the U.S. Border Patrol likely catches no more than one out of 10 people, meaning there may be close to 2,000 people still sneaking across. For the most part, they are not suspected of posing a terrorist threat, he says. But he also warns, "We have dealt with a lot of interesting people," by which he means people from countries deemed by the U.S. government to have potential terrorist links. "Were they terrorists or not?" he says. "We haven't seen Osama bin Laden. "We have had a few (people) over the last few years — they may have terrorist ties," he adds. "Have we had any identified, bomb-toting terrorists? No ... Not that we know of." In daylight, the St. Lawrence River hardly seems such a problematic border point. Skimming across the river at more than 80 km/h, over rapids and past whirlpools that could suck a swimmer down to the bottom, U.S. Border Patrol agent Chad Marshall says as much as he pilots his speedboat around Cornwall Island. "The Mexican border — now, that is crazy," he says. "When I was down there, we used to get 1,000 illegals a shift." Still, on almost every shift on the St. Lawrence, something turns up. Over on the southern bank, on the U.S. part of the Akwesasne reserve, the Border Patrol recently discovered discarded blankets, noodle containers and Chinese language newspapers littered near a favourite landing spot for people smugglers. "It was probably seven or eight Chinese coming across from Canada," says Andrew Lacombe, another Border Patrol agent, who stands on duty on the boat, his machine gun stashed nearby in the gunwale. "The smugglers charge about $1,000 (U.S.) a head to bring them across by boat. When they get them to the reserve, they put them in a van and drive them away to New York or wherever." `We have had a few (people) over the last few years — they may have terrorist ties' Dick Ashlaw, U.S. Border Patrol agent On a recent patrol, the two agents also found a Jordanian man on the river, trying to smuggle about 1,000 kilograms of Egyptian cigarettes into Canada. "We still don't know what he was up to," says Marshall, yelling to make himself heard above the roar of the wind. Cigarettes are, in fact, still the most lucrative contraband on the river, and as a recent court case filed by the federal government alleges, still the best way to gauge how wild and ingrained border smuggling has become. In August, Ottawa launched a $1.5 billon lawsuit against 13 tobacco companies, alleging a massive scheme to collude with "known smugglers, supplying their products to them and encouraging and advising them to funnel those products into the black market" to avoid paying taxes. The suit alleges the companies exported Canadian tobacco, had it turned into cigarettes and then arranged for black market trade out of the back of trucks and cars and "under the counter" at convenience stores to avoid $1.5 billion in Canadian taxes. "They invited smugglers on fishing and golfing trips and spent lavishly on entertainment," the lawsuit charges. The tobacco companies have denied the allegations, which have not yet been proven in court. Although smuggling ebbed after a police crackdown in the 1990s, the RCMP now believes the trade is on the rise again. Certainly, there's no doubt cigarettes are still a cash cow on the Akwesasne reserve, where people connected with the trade get downright nasty when visitors pry into how their business works. "Get off my property," screams a woman, who has driven up in a black SUV after spotting a photographer taking a picture of an establishment known as Tamra's Puff Shop. The store's shelves are stuffed with all brands of cigarettes, selling for about half the price they would in Canada or New York state. The most curious items were what a clerk called "Canadian smokes," a carton's worth of unmarked cigarettes inside clear, plastic baggies on sale for about $11. Missing health warnings and any indication that duties had been paid, they would be illegal to sell off the reserve in Canada and the United States. Behind the shop, not far from the Mohawk Bingo Palace, is an unmarked building that is the recently built cigarette factory. But a man who ordered visitors off his land rebuffed a request for an interview. "Give them two minutes to move the car," he says, turning to a worker. "Then get the fork truck and move them off." Just how lucrative it all is remains a mystery. But at the G&G Smokeshop, a shack filled to its rafters with brands such as Native — "Made by Native Trading Associates, Mohawk Nation Territory" — an employee gives a hint. "We must pull in about $10,000 (U.S.) a day here," she says. Before 9/11, the major concern over the cigarette trade was that it sucked much-needed tax dollars out of state and provincial governments. But there may also be a frightening new twist, according to police and counterterrorism experts. In the two years after 9/11, the United States and other countries have frozen more than $200 million in bank accounts deemed connected to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. But there is now concern terror cells are dipping into the practices normally associated with organized crime, such as cigarette, drug and people smuggling, says Tom Sanderson, who studies border threats at the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. U.S. authorities recently broke up a cell of the terror group Hezbollah in North Carolina that was illegally selling cigarettes for cash in Detroit. Profits were sent to Lebanon by courier or mail, police allege, to buy such things as detonators and infrared targeting devices. "Probably a very small percentage of the smuggling business goes to terror groups, but this could still be in the neighbourhood of millions of dollars," says Sanderson, adding that even organized crime may not know some of their partners may have terror links. "But when you buy illegal cigarettes or drugs, you could be helping terrorists. What's important to remember is the attack on USS Cole cost $10,000 and the attack on the World Trade Center cost about $500,000. It doesn't take much." It's an hour since the sound of AK-47 shots echoed across the river. The sun has set, the moon yet to rise and the RCMP patrol boat roars toward the New York state side at a speed that literally peels back one's eyelids. So fast, in fact, bats are suddenly inside the boat, caught by surprise by the swift-moving craft cutting through the night. Suddenly, Tougas orders the engine cut, so he can quietly drift in the middle of the current. All he can hear is the gurgle of the current, a few dogs barking on a far-off shore and the trill of late-season cicadas. He has put on night-vision goggles, which allow him to see the nocturnal world in an eerie, lime-green glow. "There," he says, ordering the boat's engine back on and pointing into the distance. He has pinpointed a slow-moving boat, running without lights. "Cut your engine," he yells as he nears the boat. The command is ignored. "Cut your engine," he yells again. Again no response. But this time, the other vessel shines a light at the Mountie, temporarily blinding him and making his night-vision goggles useless. With the thought of AK-47 gunfire still on everyone's mind, a palpable uneasiness hangs over the patrol boat. Finally, on the fifth command, the other boat turns off its engine. It turns out to be piloted by Harold Square, a Mohawk who is out on the river with his family, none too pleased at someone delaying his trip home. "You're out of your jurisdiction," he shouts. "These are Mohawk waters. Get out of here." Nevertheless, he hands over identification. And as Tougas inspects it, one of the children in Square's boat wonders about the horsepower of the RCMP boat's engine. "How fast can you go?" he asks. "Oh, he can't go so fast," Square says, taking back his ID and starting up his own engine. "They don't have any money for a really fast boat." A few minutes later, heading back to Cornwall after a night that turns up not a single smuggler, Tougas concedes that the man has a point. Flush with cash, smugglers build ever-faster boats that can now exceed 160 km/h, double the speed of what this RCMP boat can do. They can cross the narrow parts of the river in 20 seconds. "Speed for speed, we're losing the battle," Tougas says. "But we're in a process of getting a boat that would answer this problem." Left unsaid, though, is what's always been obvious: At night, the St. Lawrence seems awfully big. And if history is any measure, the Mounties never have the fastest boat for very long. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:38:51 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Some 'feel unsafe' in downtown Kitchener http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1065780327410&call_pageid=968256289824 Oct. 10, 2003. 11:52 AM Some 'feel unsafe' in downtown Kitchener LIZ MONTEIRO TORSTAR NEWS SERVICE KITCHENER - Nearly half the residents who responded to a police survey say they feel unsafe walking in downtown Kitchener. Yesterday, the Waterloo regional police board received the results of a police-initiated, three-part mail-out survey conducted during the summer months. Of 634 reponses received by police in the community portion of the survey, 49 per cent said they felt somewhat or very unsafe walking in downtown Kitchener. In the Waterloo core, 30 per cent of respondents said they felt somewhat or very unsafe. In Cambridge, 23 per cent of residents said they felt unsafe in the core areas. Throughout the region, 27 per cent said they felt somewhat or very unsafe in public parks. In all, more than 3,000 surveys were sent to regional residents. Two of the surveys were mailed to about 1,000 residents who had their homes or businesses broken into or their cars stolen. A third "community survey" was mailed to about 2,000 homes asking people if they felt safe in their neighbourhood, if they felt crime was on the rise, what were the top crime-related problems in the neighbourhood and whether they felt there was enough police patrolling their community. Respondents to this survey said the top crime-related problems in their neighbourhood and the region overall were traffic issues including speeding and aggressive driving, break and enters, vandalism and property damage, youth gangs and drugs. Commenting on the surveys, police Chief Larry Gravill said the force plans to increase the police presence in downtown Kitchener. "Our goal is to increase the visibility of officers," he said in an interview after the presentation. "Our goal is not to put a police officer on every street corner. That would send a message as well and people might feel just as fearful if the climate necessitated that," he said. Gravill said downtown Kitchener's woes are a pervasive issue that is discussed at various levels including municipally, regionally and at downtown business group meetings. "If the core area is revitalized, it will serve the community well and will serve police well," he said. Gravill said other parts of the city also have crime-related problems, but residents often think of the downtown as a crime haven. "Crimes of violence are on the decrease but the individual perception on a daily basis has a compounding effect ... For the community, perception is reality and it keeps you from going to a certain area," he said. The downtown area has two foot or bike patrols at any given time. On police presence and visibility, 34 per cent of respondents ranked it as poor or needs improvement. The report stated that property crime, which includes house break-ins and vandalism, occurs every 26 minutes in the region. On average, there is one house-breakin every two hours and twenty minutes in the region, while car thefts occur every three hours and 46 minutes. Police received 436 responses to the surveys sent to victims of crime. Respondents said they felt that police officers were courteous and professional, but didn't show enough concern for the homeowner whose house was broken into. Also, some respondents felt that police should have called them back with information related to their house break-in. Gravill said from November to March he and the deputy chiefs plan to speak to every officer through internal training seminars on the survey results. Gravill said he wants to ensure all officers "refine some of the basics" such as follow-up discussions with victims of crime. "Doing the small things well is so very important," he said. "If it's the small stuff that is driving people crazy then do something about it." Gravill said officers should spend the extra "two minutes to interact with someone. Pay attention to them." Even if they are ranting about a neighbourhood dispute or an abandoned car on their street, officers need to take the time with each call, he said. The response rate to the community survey was 31 per cent and to the victim surveys 34 per cent, a result which the report called "outstanding." Gravill said the survey results will assist police management with preparing a staffing report that will outline how many officers and civilians the force needs to hire over the next three years. "If the public is saying visibility is a big issue and it is to us as well then we need staff to do that," he said. The force conducted a similar survey of residents in 1999. - - KITCHENER-WATERLOO RECORD ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #568 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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