From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #575 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, October 14 2003 Volume 06 : Number 575 In this issue: Ontario's black bear population has soared Re: 'Suicide by cop' Re: postmaster@mail.hotmail.com The right to own private property will become enshrined in China's Re: Ontario's black bear population has soared Man wins payout for jail time Bear Cub Shot How Paul Martin evades taxes in Canada Officer nearly shot by man Car decals under gun Re: Man wins payout for jail time My letter to several Ontario newspapers Re: 'Suicide by cop' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:40:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Ontario's black bear population has soared PUBLICATION: Toronto Star DATE: 2003.10.14 SECTION: NEWS PAGE: A01 SOURCE: Toronto Star BYLINE: Nicolaas van Rijn ILLUSTRATION: BILL SANDFORD FOR THE TORONTO STAR This OPP officer shot thebear cub (still treed in this picture) after it climbed down. Police tried to arrange a live capture but weren't successful. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Why this young bear had to be shot to death; All attempts to seize it fruitless OPP worried over children's safety - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Ontario Provincial Police officers worked the phones furiously for hours on the weekend trying to save a black bear cub forced up a tree by curious kids and adults in a heavily populated section of Orillia. As scores of curious onlookers gathered, officers tried- without success- to find someone with a tranquilizer gun to assist in a live capture of the one-year-old animal. But when no one came to their aid, Senior Constable Tim Ticknor said yesterday, police had no choice when the animal decided to climb down. They shot and killed the cub. "We spent several hours trying to keep people away from the bear, in the hopes that it would leave on its own and return to its natural habitat," Ticknor said. Officers also feverishly worked the phones to local agencies, "including the SPCA, the Ministry of Natural Resources, and several wild game reserves, all in efforts to capture the bear live. "Unfortunately, none of those worked out," Ticknor said. "And with the growing crowd, especially of small children who were in the immediate area, there was a growing concern for the safety of everyone involved." When the bear came down, he added, "it was dispatched by one of the officers." It was the second shooting of a black bear cub in two days. On Thursday, police in North Bay shot a cub after it wandered into the city and refused to head back into the bush. Ticknor said the officer involved in the Orillia shooting felt "discouraged by the fact that he couldn't do a live capture, that there weren't the resources available to do a live capture." Spokespersons for the ministry of natural resources and the SPCA were not available for comment yesterday. Among those who couldn't respond to the OPP's call for assistance were Dale and Jody Gienow, operators of the Muskoka Wildlife Centre, but they didn't want to discuss the incident yesterday. Local residents had mixed reactions to the shooting, Ticknor added. "The people that were in the immediate area felt some relief for the safety of their children and grandchildren, at the same time there was some despair at the fact that we had to put down the animal." In North Bay, local children who were gathered across the street from the marauding bear were upset after police fired four shots to kill it. They wanted to know why officers didn't live-trap the animal or knock it out with tranquilizers. Ticknor said it's a matter of timing and resources, and said the mix of so many black bears and people in Ontario's north country means it could happen again. "I'm afraid it's just one of those things we have to live with," Ticknor said of Saturday's shooting. "We could have ministry or other agencies, perhaps, move resources to this area, but then the same thing will happen in another area. "It's a matter of not being able to be everywhere at once." Still, he added, bear intrusions into built-up areas, especially cities, occur infrequently. "It's not a situation that comes up very often," he said, noting Saturday's incident was the first time in his four years in Orillia that a bear has had to be killed in the city limits. "Fortunately, we don't have this problem very often," he said. "We have bears wandering into the city once or twice a year, but in most cases they'll return to their natural habitat. "The unfortunate part this time was that it was on a weekend, and during the day," Ticknor noted. "Usually we'll get calls in the evening, and the bear will disappear overnight. But this started in the mid-morning, and of course the interest by the kids grew during the day." Bear experts note the animals are especially hungry at this time of year as they're instinctively driven to put on as much weight as possible before winter's hibernation. Bears are attracted to fruit trees, garbage, barbecues, pet food and bird feeders. Ontario's black bear population has soared since the Ontario government decision in 1999 to cancel the spring bear hunt in an effort to protect mother bears and reduce the number of orphaned cubs.'We have bears wandering into the city once or twice a year, but in most cases they'll return to their natural habitat.' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:41:46 -0600 (CST) From: Robert LaCasse Subject: Re: 'Suicide by cop' I think the main reason here for suicidal inclinations, is the Government and ridiculous legislation! These are enforced by none other than the enforcers, who enjoy their temporary position of childish TV cowboy fantasies..at least that describes the majority. They all say, "you wouldn't believe the paperwork", but thart is a joke since they have our tax dollar armed secretaries doing that little tidbit for them! We own Firearms and spots Pistols, a Cop owns a Chunk. Wit till the N.W.O. realizes that their Illuminatti is based on a British WW1 Air Force group known as the Hells Angels, later coined and recopyrightes by R.S Barger vice president of the 2 million worldwide H.A. I haven't seen too many cops with nose pins and such, but the mindset is all there. They treat a confiscated firearm like a piece of shit by ramming metal cables down the barrel and gouging and goring what they think is bad because it's not a Chunk like theirs, actually their attitude and conduct is not far from Hebephrenic Schizoid, which is why they have their own Psychiatrist! If they tried that on Skeeter's 44magnum, he should blow them away, Christ why not, I should have, like Allen Carlos, Peter Kearns, Qualicum Ward and a thousand others should have. Beating them in Court is nothing to me since they don't have guts to show up, and send some little girls to emulate "Police Officers"....Since the Judge was a Schizoid Female, they went hand in hand, so it made things tough last time! I appreciate the Cops arresting Bad Guys, but like when do they actually do that without entrapment or a sublime self administrated actus reus with no due diligence! Arresting Drunken Crak/Pot Drivers is good for all, and feeds their pockets! I still think the lawzy H.A. are more competent in Law and Order legislation, at the end of the day! The costly rip-off of the registry hoax and PAL Course Bull is getting so that there are no more legit Gunsmiths anymore and many have exercised their monopoly to burn you a bit here and there. Look at "Ruby Ridge" where it took 400 fully trained CIA assassins to kill one little girl, talk about return of the "Nintendo Killers", hell who are these guys, and did they ever have a mother! Your in Justice Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:42:56 -0600 (CST) From: Robert LaCasse Subject: Re: postmaster@mail.hotmail.com Most court cases can be handled by a layman, since U have all evidence from actual memory, and may recall others to require the counter punches! I had a supreme court judge say to me in 1970 "You have no lawyer, so your guilty" ....yeah right, and me with a bunch of Trumped Charges that a junkie Town Cop N. Taylor was on the run for! The idea is to have a law student or paralegal to guide you and not let the "wolves" get too brave. It's all a case of one against all, if the court sees you as a lone wolf, they'll screw U all over. With a law rep you have a considered number that the Judge no matter how zonked, will have to provide a valid onus! As for cross examination, the judge won't even listen you or the perjurers that much, so throw a lot of right hooks and undermine their little trip. Most of my courts were like Jesus Christ, he had no lawyer either, Do U think things are different today..Courts of arbitration run by paper asked farts! Hell most aren't even that. Yet they run the ert/mosad/atf/cleu at the stroke of a pen, they seem to have an "authority" that they think is theirs! Canada is not their property and they live here under the comical audacity of some fictitious "Limy" acquisition. They call themselves the Government, hell these guys came from a mortal womb..gross heh, some not even that, and they are what? They don't even know what Canada really looks like, in that way they remind me of the Al Queda and Mossad going around shooting their imaginations, building all kinds of war stuff, then they wonder were all the food money went to! The Smoking Man ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:38:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: The right to own private property will become enshrined in China's PROPERTY RIGHTS NOW IN CHINA'S CONSTITUTION BUT NOT CANADA'S - PITY! http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/property.htm - -------------------------------------------------------- PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald DATE: 2003.10.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A19 BYLINE: Oliver August SOURCE: Times of London DATELINE: BEIJING - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= China returns property rights: Central tenet of communism overturned - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= The right to own private property will become enshrined in China's constitution today, reversing one of the most sacred Maoist dogmas. >From the 16th Central Committee session of the Communist Party today, tycoons will be accorded equal protection in law with the peasants and workers for whose benefit the party was founded 82 years ago. Until now, only ownership of public property was described as "inviolable" in the constitution. Private property including land and the means of production were accorded a lesser status, a hangover from the Cultural Revolution when Red Guards tortured and killed many who were deemed "landlords." By overturning one of the central tenets of communism, Beijing now appears to have decided to recognize and back the millionaire winners of its economic reform program by co-opting them, in order to keep its hold on power. A Western diplomat said: "Even without political reforms, entrepreneurs and property owners are increasingly powerful and the party is reacting to that." In the meantime, about 800 million Chinese living in the hinterland, far from the new commercial centres in Shanghai and Canton, see a vast wealth gap opening up. Their incomes are stagnating and about a quarter are unemployed. Laws meant to protect their property rights are being violated on a grand scale by local government officials who regularly seize farmland to sell it to developers, passing no more than five to 10 per cent of the money on to the farmers. The 198-member Central Committee, which meets annually for four days, is the highest communist body outside the five-yearly party congresses. The 24 members of the Politburo, the quasi-cabinet, will spearhead the constitutional change led by President Hu Jintao, who was appointed in March. Hu is keen to establish a reputation as an active reformer without appearing to antagonize conservatives in the party or the military. His record since taking office has been mixed. During the SARS crisis, he won plaudits for firing the health minister, who had overseen efforts to deceive the World Health Organization over the true extent of the epidemic. But his efforts to promote political reforms over the summer stalled after internal opposition. With the latest proposals on constitutional change, Hu seems to be settling into a rhythm familiar from past leaders. After reports about dramatic reform proposals and severe crackdowns, the president has emerged to promote a middle course that appeases consensus-minded reformers without threatening the party's hold on power. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:38:28 -0600 (CST) From: JP Poulin Subject: Re: Ontario's black bear population has soared On 10/14/2003 10:40 -0500, Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1 wrote: > Ontario's black bear population has soared since the Ontario government > decision in 1999 to cancel the spring bear hunt in an effort to protect > mother bears and reduce the number of orphaned cubs.'We have bears > wandering into the city once or twice a year, but in most cases they'll > return to their natural habitat.' I feel so much better that the bears that city folk love so much have now decided to come to it's masters place. You shall have your cake and eat it too. We insist. ;-] JP Poulin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:39:30 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Man wins payout for jail time "It says a police brief prepared for the hearing misled the Crown by claiming Mr. Ortiz had been identified as a shooter." Let us look at the above sentence. the Police did not mislead...they LIED. out right lie, perjured themselves, told falsehoods,behaved like Pinochioare salle menteurs. black liars and worse. How can they be trusted to bring cases to the crown again. Put these same Police under the same circumstances as Ortiz...put them in jail for three months (without pay of course) Reality is, nothing will happen..thorw some cash at the problem, let it go away. In the meantimne this person has had their life destroyed, humiliated publicly. 80 grand does not seem like enopugh considering the lies the coppers told. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:40:14 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Bear Cub Shot ORILLIA, Ont. (CP) _ A black bear cub that had been treed in the city was shot and killed by police on the weekend after the SPCA tried in vain to find a trapper to capture the animal. ``Any wild animal in this situation poses a threat to the residents of the area,'' Jenny Kolbe of Orillia's SPCA said Saturday. THE BEAR was up a tree, unl;ess someone was up the tree with the bear, how was it a danger again??? ``They're unpredictable, and while this wasn't the first choice, it was the only option today.'' The SPCA, which deals primarily with domestic animals, tried to contact local trapping services but none were available. The bear had wandered into the heavily populated neighbourhood and climbed the tree after attracting attention from curious children and adults. SEEMS LIKE the children and adults should have been tranquilized for trying to get close to the bear...the bear did what it should do...go away from the destructive humans and their kinder mistakes When it was coaxed down, it was shot by a OPP officer. HERE LITTLE BEAR COME DOWN..come down...come and get your hot piece of lead, come on, ...... OF COURSE tazers work through thick clothing, why not try it on the bear. Where were safety nets, the instant barriers that most cities have in inventory could have been erected to keep the bear in until a more humane way could have been found to deal with it. City has no large diameter culvert which could be prepared to be used as a tunnel trap...of course not...too easy The local OPP aren't equipped with tranquillizer guns, said officer Dave Wellbank, who had the grim task of killing the cub. ``It's likely a tranquilizer would kill the animal anyway,'' said Wellbank. ``It is unusual for a bear to make it this far into a city centre,'' added Kolbe. ``It was obviously in a very confused state.'' THE BEAR WAS not confused, it knew safety was high in the trees. it wasnt until he took the bait and came to ground that he was shot....all because some children and some adults tried to be eco tourists and approach the bear. The again the bear is not as cute or cuddly as those SPCA dogs and cats we see being euthenised on the television when they need money from the suckers whose hearts bleed at the sight of these forgotten pets. WHy not take some of the money they receive off these sappy TV adds and buy a damn tranquiliser gun...makes too much sense i guess It was the second shooting of a black bear cub in Ontario last week. WOW WITH THE SECOND shooting of a bear, we now need a bear registry database to track and register every bear so we will know where they are and what they are doing..a few more billion wasted i bet On Thursday, police in North Bay, Ont., shot and killed a cub after it wandered into the city and refused to head back into the bush I AM SURE THEY ISSUED THE POLICE CHALLENGE... "Police...don't move....then of course the bear cpmplied so they shot it and tell us he refused to leave.....well the cahllenge says "don't move"...duh (all modes off) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:40:50 -0600 (CST) From: Don Webb Subject: How Paul Martin evades taxes in Canada Jack Layton is out to get tax evading Paul Martin at www.flyourflag.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:41:26 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Officer nearly shot by man http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1066083010315&call_pageid=968350130169&col=969483202845 >From Toronto Star Oct. 14, 2003. 01:00 AM Officer nearly shot by man Home invasion suspect fled scene Police believe weapon found CAL MILLAR STAFF REPORTER A Toronto police officer escaped injury when a suspect in a home invasion fired a shot while being chased early yesterday morning in the Neilson Rd. and Sheppard Ave. E. area. The shooting incident occurred minutes after police were called to a home on McClure Cres. following reports that three men had forced their way in and were attacking the residents. Two police officers responding to the call spotted three suspects running from the area and gave chase. One of the suspects stopped and fired at one of the officers, but the shot missed. Police overpowered one suspect, but the two others ran into a nearby bush and escaped in the darkness. More than 10 police officers, including members of Toronto's Emergency Task Force and the Toronto police dog unit, found two other individuals after scouring the area. Several streets were sealed off through the night. During a daylight search police found a gun that appeared to have been thrown away by one of the suspects. The gun will be tested to determine if it has been used in any unsolved crimes. Investigation showed a group of men had entered the home and roughed up the residents while demanding cash. One victim received minor injuries and was treated on the scene by Toronto ambulance workers. Police said they haven't yet determined a motive for the home invasion and are still looking into the background of the people in the house. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:41:46 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Car decals under gun http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/OttawaSun/News/2003/10/14/225348.html >From AP via Ottawa Sun Tue, October 14, 2003 Car decals under gun By AP OAK PARK, MICH. -- Some people are turning to an inexpensive and controversial way of customizing their cars: Applying decals of bullet holes. "So real-looking you have to touch them with your own finger to tell," says the website bullet1.com, which offers vinyl stickers depicting .50-calibre holes and smaller ones that look like they came from a .22 calibre. Doug Rock, 25, of Sterling Heights, buys the stickers from a North Carolina supplier and sells them on the site. He said he's working his way through nursing school and has sold millions of the stickers since 2001. 'WRONG MESSAGE' "They're a great gag item," Rock said. "Otherwise, I guess it's just for the look, it's like a fad. I honestly don't think it will fade." Not everyone finds the stickers funny. "It sends the wrong message to our young people," said Gregory Wims, president of the Victims' Rights Foundation. "It's sort of like a badge of honour." Daniel Morton, 21, placed 10 bullet-hole decals on his 1994 Honda Accord to make it look as if it had been riddled with gunfire. "A lot of people ask me about them and think my car got shot up," he said. "I just try to be different." Morton said it was cheaper than, say, customized wheel rims. "I just spent a few dollars instead of $20,000." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:36:35 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Man wins payout for jail time ross wrote: > Let us look at the above sentence. the Police did not mislead...they LIED. > out right lie, perjured themselves, told falsehoods,behaved like Pinochioare > salle menteurs. black liars and worse. How can they be trusted to bring cases > to the crown again. > Reality is, nothing will happen..thorw some cash at the problem, let it go > away. In the meantimne this person has had their life destroyed, > humiliated publicly. 80 grand does not seem like enopugh considering the > lies the coppers told. The problem is that they haven't really lied until it is proven in Court that they did so. I don't know the particulars of the case, but if it had gone through to trial, it might have led to perjury or obstruction charges for those involved. Since it was settled out of court, no doubt there is a clause in the paperwork that doing so subsumes no admission of guilt, and that the case cannot be brought before the Courts again. So justice will never be served. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:37:11 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to several Ontario newspapers Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Recent bear shootings Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:39:13 -0400 From: Bruce Mills I hope the urbanite bear-huggers who helped IFAW and the Schad Foundation force the Ontario PC government to close the Spring Bear Hunt are happy. It seems that the bears have come home to roost - literally! These poor, innocent, not to mention cute, wild animals have now become a "public safety" issue for the very people who wanted to see the hunt ended. Ontario's black bear population has soared since the Ontario government decision in 1999 to cancel the spring bear hunt in an effort to protect mother bears and reduce the number of orphaned cubs. Instead of allowing hunters to keep the bear population under control in a responsible manner, they have opted to endanger their children's lives and those of others, in the name of emotional and political ideology. One can only hope that the Provincial Liberals have the smarts that the PCs didn't: stop endangering lives by re-instating the Spring Bear Hunt. Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:47:48 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: Re: 'Suicide by cop' Larry James Fillo wrote: > What are the implications of officer's Parent's Phd Thesis showing > most people being shot to death by police are suicidal. Assisiting a > person to commit suicide is still a criminal offence? Oh well, it may > be difficult to prove. > > It does seem difficult to argue for police having guns if they are > mostly using them to assist suicides. When somebody points a gun at you or comes at you with a gun, the intent of their actions is moot at that particular point. Assuming they WILL NOT kill you if you don't kill them first is a poor bet. Tom Agar was murdered in the Richmond detachment and Hanniman wounded by a whacko who intended for police to kill him. > The quote that 'police killings have also remained steady despite > Canada's falling violent crime rate. Is this the net benefit of > the ever increasing use of SWAT teams? As the great majority of people who are killed by police are killed by general duty members during "routine" work, not ERT teams, you will be hard pressed to make any linkage between ERT teams and the constant rate of police killings. In fact, the correlation seems to be that ERT teams in high risk situations are less likely to kill a suspect. First, because they arrive forewarned and aware with time to think and plan. Second, because the most often used and most effective weapon ERT teams have is their negotiator. That's the team member who does more work than anyone else. Third, unlike general duty officers who are often pushed into a basic shoot/don't shoot situation, ERT teams have all manner of toys, goodies, doodads and so on that truly does push lethal force back to being the very last resort of many options. > Someone needs to do follow up on this study. Or perhaps there is > something amiss about the stats showing lower rates of violent crime? That somebody doing the study should realize there is very little resemblance on how an ERT team deploys and operates and how Cst. Bloggins operates in the second he has to realize he is in a lethal force situation. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #575 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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