From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #579 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, October 15 2003 Volume 06 : Number 579 In this issue: `Harmless' bear isn't like Winnie Cattlemen correct to shoot livestock Humans to blame for wandering cub Re: Rifle Ranges PM eager to pass 3 key bills before exit One more call may have saved bear that was shot by police Re: .40-60 Maynard Column: SMILE FOR THE RETINAL SCANNER Letter: Hunters being harassed Column: Don't go overboard with too much gear Local man charged in gun-waving incident WEAPONS CACHE TO BE RETURNED Gun cabinet holding more than two dozen firearms has been stolen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:30:53 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: `Harmless' bear isn't like Winnie http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1066128677961&call_pageid=968332189003&col=968350116895 Oct. 15, 2003. 01:00 AM `Harmless' bear isn't like Winnie Re: Why this young bear had to be shot to death, Oct. 14. People need to realize that, as harmless as this cub looks, it was not Winnie the Pooh. We humans are taking over bear territory with the expansion of our subdivisions, roads and shopping centres. It's without a doubt that situations such as this are going to occur again as we slowly devour more of nature's habitat. After exhausting all possibilities, the police did the correct thing. Remember, folks, the Berenstein Bears, Bambi and Winnie the Pooh are only cartoons and when this cub came down from the tree, it wasn't going to be allowing any of the local kids to eat its porridge. Todd Carlson, Goodwood, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:31:23 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Cattlemen correct to shoot livestock http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1066128677982&call_pageid=968332189003&col=968350116895 Oct. 15, 2003. 01:00 AM Cattlemen correct to shoot livestock Re: Shooting hurts farmers Editorial, Oct. 12. I find it odd that you criticize farmers for killing their own livestock. How did you think the meat ended up on their plates? Cattlemen deal with the fact that they are not raising pets: virtually every one of their animals is destined to be killed for consumption. When the market is overloaded with animals that there is no market for, then they are absolutely free to dispose of their animals in as humane a manner possible. Shooting animals when the feed runs out beats letting the animals starve; anyone familiar with the food system in this country can intuit this fact. Jim Szpajcher, St. Paul, Alta. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:32:17 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Humans to blame for wandering cub http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1066128677976&call_pageid=968332189003&col=968350116895 Oct. 15, 2003. 01:00 AM Humans to blame for wandering cub Re: Why this young bear had to be shot to death, Oct. 14. Same old, sad story. Humans encroach on bear territory (or kill off predators, hamper their habitats, leave tempting food scraps laying about) and are horrified when they wander into town. Shoot them! That's the answer. Start a sideshow attraction! Keep kids and bystanders close at hand so that the bear is even more frightened! Poor thing. It's just doing what it is programmed by nature to do this time of year. Our reaction? Kill it! I find it completely unacceptable that police detachments in this province don't have one tranquilizer gun and darts handy at all times. They could have corralled it into a horse trailer, livestock truck or even an everyday cube van. Then, drive him to a more remote location and open the door. Simple, easy, no harm done. Edward Fenner, Mount Albert, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:33:07 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: Re: Rifle Ranges "Tom Falls" wrote: > Hey Rick; Isn't one jumper in a family enough? You see? There's just something basically flawed with your thinking... > How many jumpers in your family? Lemme put it this way. Even my 78 year old mother in law parachuted this year not to mention my sisters-in-law... Nylon and paracord is high fashion around here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:33:33 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: PM eager to pass 3 key bills before exit http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1066169415442&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467 Oct. 15, 2003. 01:00 AM PM eager to pass 3 key bills before exit Priorities include pot law, cloning, riding boundaries Early recess likely to avoid Martin clash: Sources LES WHITTINGTON OTTAWA BUREAU OTTAWA—Prime Minister Jean Chrétien is hoping to pass three pieces of high-profile legislation in the next few weeks so Parliament can be adjourned until a new government headed by Paul Martin takes over, sources say. Chrétien wants the Commons to recess in advance of the Nov. 12-15 Liberal convention in Toronto, where the party will officially name Martin the next leader. And the plan is to keep Parliament in recess until early next year when Chrétien resigns and Martin becomes prime minister That would avoid the awkward situation in which the Liberals could end up with both the current Prime Minister and the prime minister-designate sitting in the Commons at the same time. Opposition MPs have already been having a field day poking fun at Chrétien over Martin's prime ministerial behaviour. But the government's strategy may hinge on its ability to push a few important bills through Parliament by early November. The priorities include legislation to decriminalize possession of small amounts of marijuana and a bill that would regulate reproductive technology and bar human cloning. Also, there is the legislation to redraw electoral boundaries to increase the number of ridings in Canada to 308 from 301. Under the riding redistribution, British Columbia and Alberta will each get two extra ridings. Ontario will get three. Western Liberals say it is vital to the party's hopes of courting votes in the West for the new electoral boundaries to be in place before the next election, likely next spring. Strategists are confident the three pieces of legislation can be passed in time to adjourn Parliament early next month. But for public consumption and to avoid giving opposition MPs a tactical advantage, the government continues to maintain that Parliament will as usual sit until early December. Once Chrétien resigns and Martin is sworn in as prime minister, the new Liberal leader will have the option of recalling MPs and continuing with the same session of Parliament. Or he could prorogue Parliament and open another session with a Speech From the Throne laying out the government's policies and goals. Chrétien, who continues to say he will stay at 24 Sussex Dr. until February, will spend much of his final months as Prime Minister travelling the world for meetings and international conferences in Asia, Africa and Mexico. Next week, he heads to China where he will be discussing human rights, but also seeking to increase sales of Canada's CANDU reactors. The Prime Minister will meet Premier Wen Jiabao, and former president Jiang Zemin, now chairman of the Central Military Commission, in what will be his sixth trip to China in 10 years. Federal officials said yesterday that Chrétien has consistently raised human rights issues in his visits to China, and will do so again — but will also raise the possibility of China buying more CANDU reactors. The visit will follow the Oct. 20-21 Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation meeting in Bangkok. The APEC meeting will assess the state of the fight against terrorism and the prospects for economic growth — particularly in light of what is being called "non-traditional threats to member economies, including SARS." Chrétien is due to visit India Oct. 24, where he will discuss security concerns with Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee. He may also include a short visit to Canadian troops in Afghanistan. WITH FILES FROM GRAHAM FRASER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:40:15 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: One more call may have saved bear that was shot by police http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1066169415516&call_pageid=968256289824&col=968342212737 Oct. 15, 2003. 01:00 AM One more call may have saved bear that was shot by police ORILLIA—Provincial police made a lot of calls in their effort to save a black bear cub forced up a tree in a bustling neighbourhood in this central Ontario city this weekend, but they missed just one. That missing call to the Ministry of Natural Resources after-hours line might have changed the fate of the cub shot and killed by local police Saturday. Instead, police and staff from the Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals worked the phones and called several agencies, including the local Natural Resources office — which is unstaffed on weekends — to try to capture the bear alive. Their efforts were fruitless. After much deliberation, and as dozens of residents looked on, police shot the cub, estimated to be a year old. Police said they didn't find out about the ministry's after-hours line until yesterday. A ministry official said had they been contacted, they would have notified supervisors who could offer advice or send trained personnel. "In this case, it was a public safety issue because it was right downtown," said Orillia OPP Inspector Jim Szarka. He said in future, police will use the line if similar incidents arise. CANADIAN PRESS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:00:02 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: Re: .40-60 Maynard "Tom Falls" wrote: > It sounds like a good project, Rick. Questions: > > 1. What re-loading manuals/handouts/software/whatever has the loading data > for this cartridge? Mike Venturino/Steve Garbe's black powder reloading manual has data for the 40-60, although I think it is mostly low velocity, low wind drift stuff for long range BPCR competition. You can have a boo at it here: http://www.blackpowderspg.com/primer.html The data I mentioned in my previous post came from feeding the case capacity, Lee-Enfield working pressures, bullet weight and length, etc into Quickload. Sort of a modern Homer Powley sort of thing, but not confined to IMR powders. I do believe Load From A Disk does the same thing. They were intended to show the upper limits of performance, of course. For target work, the lower end stuff is a better choice. > 2. Where do we get the bbls? Well, Ron Smith is still up around Torrington way near where you are, I believe; I would talk to him. Or, you can simply order a Badger barrel and have at it. > 3. Does the LE magazine hold ten .40-60 rounds? With the loads I was using, yep, as best I recall, although generally we just loaded it with one stripper clip at a time out of the bandolier. I suppose if you were using a really big honkin' cast bullet you might be able to get only nine in. What a loss that would be. Another rifle it would be fun to do this in would be an 1895 Winchester... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:05:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Column: SMILE FOR THE RETINAL SCANNER PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2003.10.15 EDITION: Final SECTION: Comment PAGE: 13 BYLINE: WALTER ROBINSON, OTTAWA SUN - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMILE FOR THE RETINAL SCANNER - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last week in our fair city, your tax dollars were used in part to fund a biometrics forum which looked at technology advancements and the public policy questions around issuing a national identification card to all Canadians ... all 31.8 million of us and counting. One of the chief proponents of such a card -- using biometric identifiers like fingerprints or retinal scans -- is Immigration Minister Denis Coderre. And if you thought that this idea is just a trial balloon being floated out there by federal officials, think again. Mr. Coderre's keynote address left no doubt where he stands: "One thing is certain. The biometric train has left the station. We have to ask ourselves where we want to sit on that train. The status quo is unacceptable." If you read between the lines it sounds like he's saying: "Sure debate the privacy, ethical and cost issues all you want ... but make no mistake about it, regardless of your objections and their validity, we're going to plow ahead with this idea. Now please smile for my retinal scanner." Cost estimates for such a plan range from $3 billion to $7 billion. Either way, that's a lot of hard-earned taxpayer dollars. The Minister has trotted out three semi-persuasive arguments to support the establishment of a national ID card. First, identity theft is becoming big business and present documents and technologies are not sufficient to combat this increasing and costly problem. Second, in the post 9-11 world, we need to track not only the bad guys but us good folk as well so law enforcement agencies can tell the difference. And third, other countries are moving ahead and if we don't get on board, standards will be imposed on us and our sovereignty will come into question. Yours truly will gladly concede the identity-theft problem. Whether it be crooks running up whopping credit card bills in your names, someone swiping bank card information or organized crime selling your health card number to an illegal immigrant, these are all serious problems. But shouldn't both the public and private sectors then strive to make current documents (read: Passports, VISA cards, ATM cards, etc.) better and more secure as opposed to abandoning these technologies in favour of the catch-all national ID card? And privacy concerns must remain paramount. Rampant use of our Social Insurance Numbers (SIN) beyond their intended purpose -- in both government and the corporate sector -- is downright scary. SIN SINS REPEATED What guarantees can the minister offer up that the government's sins around the SIN will not be repeated with a national ID card? In 1998, the auditor general reported that we had 4 million more SIN numbers in circulation than adults over 20 years of age. By 2002, this number had jumped to 5 million. Ditto for the minister's own Immigration Department which, at last count, has lost some 34,000 deportees according to the auditor general. And we shouldn't forget the big brother database that was already shut down due to public outrage. Where will all our ID card info be stored, and how secure will it be? Will plans for a national ID card amount to yet another multibillion dollar boondoggle like the HRDC boondoggle or the gun registry? Security and identity issues are extremely important. But surely there are better ways to allocate up to $7 billion in the coming years to budget envelopes such as border control, policing, pursuit of international crime syndicates and fixing existing government documents ... just to name a few. If you're opposed to a national ID card, you should e-mail Minister Coderre at Minister@cic.gc.ca. Too many questions remain unanswered to allow our government to proceed down this road. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:08:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Hunters being harassed PUBLICATION: The Moncton Times and Transcript DATE: 2003.10.15 SECTION: Opinion PAGE: D8 COLUMN: Readers' Forum - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hunters being harassed To The Editor: Oct. 11th was a beautiful day, sunny, warm, and a perfect day to spend in the great outdoors. I left my home in Riverview and proceeded to the Caledonia Mountain area where I was to spend a relaxing day of hunting ruffled grouse or partridge. I didn't really care if I shot anything because it was nice just to get out of the city and onto some of the less travelled roads in Albert County. Travelling along a dirt road (which is only open for travel in the summer months) with my window rolled down and watching the bank beside the road for a bird that may be sitting in the sun, I wasn't paying much attention to the vehicle that was approaching. At about 40 or so feet I took a closer look and to my amazement it was a police officer in a four wheel drive. After a quick panic attack I realized the gun I had that day was one I actually registered. He rolled down his window and I asked him what he was doing out here in the woods. He smiled sheepishly and I asked him a second time. He replied by asking me if I was hunting, and I said yes. Well, now that was the wrong answer because for the next 15 minutes I was drilled on rules and asked for my firearms and driver's licences. He was clearly misinformed what rules fell under the criminal code, what fell under the new firearms act or what fell under fish and wildlife. I spent a lot of this time educating him on the difference between the three. I asked him to find my 20 gauge shot gun in the registry but he declined to look for it, he said he was just out checking for gun licences. I asked "what good is the registry if you don't use it?" He declined to answer. I then told him what I thought of the new firearms laws and asked if he had anything better to do, a call came across his radio just then and he excused himself from the conversation and left. If this is the best the federal government can do the fight gun crime we as a country are in trouble. Paul Woodworth, Riverview ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:11:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Column: Don't go overboard with too much gear PUBLICATION: The Moncton Times and Transcript DATE: 2003.10.15 SECTION: Opinion/Editorial PAGE: D2 COLUMN: Everett Mosher BYLINE: Everett Mosher Outdoor Life - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Don't go overboard with too much gear - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Every fall the mail delivers a variety of catalogues containing the latest in outdoor gear, from tents and portable stoves, to fishing lures and deer calls. Despite the thousands of items listed, I find little that qualifies as truly needed. Oh, sure, much falls under the "would like to have" category, but very few fall into the "basic needs" list. So what does the average hunter need in the way of basic gear? For starters, a pocket knife, one that is carried year round. The Gerber 400 drop point folding pocket knife is light yet strong, and capable of dressing out a moose. If wishing something more substantial when hunting, then either the Gerber ATS-34 drop-point folder or the Grohman D. H. Russell #1 belt knife is suggested. Next is a good quality compass, followed by a basic survival kit that includes waterproof matches, lighter, two candles, tablets to purify water, cup, plastic sheet to keep the rain off, plus cord to hold the sheet in place if used as part of a lean-to, and a whistle or other signalling device. Forget the fishhooks and rabbit snares as most folks lost in New Brunswick are found within 24 to 48 hours. Keeping dry, warm, and with water to drink are three necessities. While clothing is a personal choice, footgear should be waterproof and relatively light. A good choice for the deer or late season rabbit hunter are rubber boots that have a felt liner and a nylon cloth at the top that can be pulled tight around the leg with a drawstring. For the upland hunter that may walk many miles on a sunny, warm day, boots that are extra light in weight yet waterproof are a priority. In the firearms category, first priority is a good quality .22 rimfire rifle that should be used often for target practice. Grouse, rabbits and other small game can be cleanly harvested by the .22 rimfire, and is an often used tool of the trapper. Next on the list is a rifle suitable for deer, bear and moose. Here a bolt action chambered for either the .308 Winchester, .30.06 Springfield or .270 Winchester cartridges are suggested. In most hunting situations a magnum cartridge is not needed, nor do the majority of hunters have the ability to make use of the magnum's long range capability, yet the magnums are becoming increasing popular. For a scope sight, a fixed 4X is all that's needed, although many prefer a variable, and are well served by one of 1.5X-6X power. Yet the 3X-9X variables are the biggest sellers, and, of late, scopes of even more magnification are gaining in sales. For a shotgun, a 12-gauge semi-auto with interchangeable chokes is ideal for waterfowl, while a light 20-gauge over/under or side-by-side is suggested for upland use. If only one shotgun is selected, it should be a 12-gauge. For the waterfowl hunter, add goose and duck decoys, waders, and a canoe. For all firearm owners, add proper cleaning kits. The varmint hunter should select a bolt action rifle chambered for either the .223 Remington or .22-250 Remington cartridges, and add a 6X or higher power scope sight, although a fixed 4X scope will serve. While many hunters carry small, compact binoculars that fit in a pocket, full size good quality 8X40 or 7X50 binoculars with their much greater light gathering ability will allow the hunter to see if the deer has horns or not. Hunters that are in a tree stand at first light, and only leave after the close of legal shooting time should carry a full size flashlight using two "D" cell batteries for the walk in and out. Carry a spare bulb inside the flashlight taped to the back side of the reflector. To this list we can add "nice to have" items including a GPS unit, deer calls, pack sacks, hunting dog, deer scents, portable tree stands, etc. But with the essentials listed above, most hunters are well equipped for the hunt. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:13:42 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Local man charged in gun-waving incident PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal DATE: 2003.10.15 EDITION: Final SECTION: CityPlus PAGE: B4 SOURCE: The Edmonton Journal DATELINE: EDMONTON - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Local man charged in gun-waving incident - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= EDMONTON - An Edmonton man has been charged with firearms offences after an incident Monday night during which a man allegedly waved a handgun at another driver. Police were called after a driver of a Ford Expedition near 160th Avenue and 82nd Street was spotted with the gun. Police traced the licence number of the vehicle to the Griesbach area. A search of a vehicle uncovered a Glock Model 22 40-calibre handgun, a loaded AR-15 rifle and a 12-gauge shotgun. Gregory ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:14:49 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: WEAPONS CACHE TO BE RETURNED PUBLICATION: The Winnipeg Sun DATE: 2003.10.15 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 7 BYLINE: STAFF COLUMN: Local Briefs WEAPONS CACHE TO BE RETURNED A provincial securities officer will have a large cache of firearms returned to him after he pleaded guilty yesterday to two weapons-related charges. Adam Christopher Morash, 32, was arrested on Feb. 11, 2003, after an RCMP search of his home turned up a hidden room filled with military equipment, high-powered magazines and at least 152 firearms. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:16:32 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Gun cabinet holding more than two dozen firearms has been stolen DATE: 2003.10.14 CATEGORY: Ontario-Quebec regional news PUBLICATION: bnw - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= TRENTON -- A gun cabinet holding more than two dozen firearms has been stolen from a home east of Cobourg. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= TRENTON -- A gun cabinet holding more than two dozen firearms has been stolen from a home east of Cobourg. Northumberland O-P-P say thieves forced their way into the house and dragged the cabinet out through the back door. The cabinet contained 22 handguns, four long guns, cash and several thousand dollars worth of jewelry. The theft happened sometime between Saturday and yesterday afternoon, when the occupants returned home. 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