From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #584 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, October 16 2003 Volume 06 : Number 584 In this issue: Hope for orphaned cubs as grizzly killer fined Art about art: NAC screens art-themed documentary series Saskatchewan gophers may get stay of execution Alliance and Tories reach tentative deal for a unified party REVIEW - Innocents Betrayed Bear Cubs Letter to the Editor Vehicular Attacks Against Police Double standard Re: hi powered magazines Bears tranqulizers guns and other urban legends ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:32:58 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Hope for orphaned cubs as grizzly killer fined http://www.canoe.ca/CalgaryNews/cs.cs-10-16-0027.html >From Calgary Sun Thursday, October 16, 2003 Hope for orphaned cubs as grizzly killer fined By NADIA MOHARIB, CALGARY SUN Two orphaned grizzlies are ready to settle in for a winter's sleep and the man who illegally killed their mother was hit with a $9,000 fine. Cari and Boo, who now live in the Kicking Horse Grizzly Bear Refuge in Golden B.C., weigh about 135 kg apiece. With a few more weeks to go before they hibernate and the bears each packing in about 7 kg of food a day -- it looks like a good winter and every hope of long life for the pair that had a tragic start. Their mother was fatally shot in B.C.'s backcountry last June by a hunter who ambushed her at a spot popular with wildlife enthusiasts to stand at a safe distance to watch the sow with her cubs. Last week, Quesnel resident Edward Bergen was fined $9,000 for killing wildlife out of season. "It took conservation officers a whole day to get the cubs down from a tree, they were so frightened," Sarah Nichols, a Refuge spokeswoman, said yesterday. "It is positive that he was found guilty ... but the fine doesn't seen as high as it could be when you see these cute bear cubs and the impact it has had on them." Under the provincial Wildlife Act, the penalty for hunting out of season is a fine of not more than $50,000, and/or six months in jail. In Alberta, poachers face a current maximum fine of $2,500 but the province is looking at hiking fines as high as $50,000. >From 2000-2002, 20 grizzlies were slaughtered by poachers in Alberta. Eighteen were killed after the province issued 101 grizzly licences for this year's spring hunt, which lured more than 4,000 applicants. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:33:26 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Art about art: NAC screens art-themed documentary series http://www.brockpress.com/news/529250.html >From The Brock Press Art about art: NAC screens art-themed documentary series By Carlous Wikarsa If there's one thing Canadians are good at, it's making documentaries. The only problem that no one sees them. But Steve Remus is trying to fix that. "Growing up as neighbors to the states we tend to be objective, not necessarily objective, but at least an observer of what is going on in American culture," says Remus, artistic and managing director of the Niagara Artist's Company. "I think documentary movies are just a natural growth out of that. I think it's great art form, not always the truth, but often due to it." As a tribute to Canada's history of documentary films, Remus and the Niagara Artist's Company (NAC) are showing eight Canadian documentaries about art and artists as part of a series called C:/art/docs. According to Remus, the idea behind the screening is to inspire motivated and intrigued members of the NAC collective, as well as the broader Niagara community, to follow the lead of the artists shown in the documentaries, and make art themselves. "To community in general, this is great because people get to learn and educate themselves about how art is made in Canada from all perspectives, with all the diversities of artists and projects," says Remus. The two films shown on Oct. 2 - the first of the four nights over which the screenings will take place - had same theme. Both films talked about violence, and how artists are struggling to end it. Marker of Change: The Story of The Women's Movement discusses the tragedy of 1989's Montreal massacre, and tells the story of a group of women artists trying to build a memorial. The Art of Peacemaking tells the story of the Gun Sculpture, a sculpture made by two Edmonton artists, using rifles, landmines and handguns from around the world. They show the journey of the two artists starting before they start the sculpture when they were trying to collect the guns, and afterwards when they exhibit their sculpture. The most powerful part of the evening, however, takes place after the films. Every week, a different guest speaker will talk about the films and the issues raised by it. For Marker of Change: The Story of The Women's Movement and The Art of Peacemaking, the speaker was Wendy Cukier, cofounder of the Coalition for Gun Control. Remus thinks it is good to have two components to the screening, the movie it self and the discussion afterwards. "I think it's a really good way to get people to thinking, involved and then get a discussion started. A film can be great, but it needs discussion after the movie to take shape," says Remus. "That's why film criticisms are so popular, because people get too involved in those post-movie thing. Watching movies and then talking about it is a natural fit." According to Remus, the most difficult part of organizing the series is not watching films with difficult subject matter, booking speakers or getting them films. The hard part is simply selecting the films." It is so hard to make the selections because there is so many good documentaries in Canada," says Remus. "We want to introduce our members to as many different and various kind of art making as possible, from there we can look for documentaries that can cover this ... Most of the films we choose are contemporary ... from the last five years. We also look for awards and directors we recognize ... We get all these films from Moving Images, a non-profit distributor in B.C." The C:/art/docs documentary series allows people in the Niagara region to see films that they might not otherwise be exposed to. More importantly, however, these films encourage us to think about the place of art in our lives, and after all couldn't we all use a little more art? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:33:41 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Saskatchewan gophers may get stay of execution http://canada.com/national/story.asp?id=EDEC1FF9-43A6-4151-8D5A-E8B88E3899CC >From Star Phoenix Saskatchewan gophers may get stay of execution Shauna Rempel The StarPhoenix Wednesday, October 15, 2003 The Saskatoon Wildlife Federation may shoot down its controversial gopher derby after just two years in existence. The federation didn't get quite the enthusiastic response it had hoped for in the 2003 derby, organizer Len Jabush said Tuesday. The group hasn't decided yet if it will hold a 2004 Ken Turcot Memorial Gopher Derby next summer. Those who lobbied for the contest to be cancelled aren't surprised. "These sorts of events are coming under increasing public scrutiny," said Andrea Lococo, regional co-ordinator of the U.S.-based Fund for Animals. More than 61,000 gopher tails were collected in the inaugural derby last summer, and 40,400 were collected this year. Public scrutiny didn't have anything to do with the fact that about 20,000 fewer gophers were killed this year, Jabush said. The main reason was an apparent decrease in gopher population, he said. "I guess there was an indication that there was not that big a need for it," said Jabush. More rain has meant more vegetation, which has given predators more places to hide and resulted in fewer rodents this year, Jabush said. The federation won't decide until mid-April if weather conditions are right to guarantee a sufficient population to hunt. Cancelling the contest would be welcome news to people from countries such as the U.S., Italy, Brazil and Australia, who sent form e-mails to the media and government offices condemning the derby. Groups such as the Humane Society of Canada, the Animal Defence League of Canada and The Fund for Animals expressed disapproval of a contest that encouraged people to kill animals for fun and prizes. Registered participants from across the Prairies and from the U.S. spent the spring and summer shooting gophers, and then bringing the tails to municipal offices, where tallies were forwarded to contest organizers. The dead gophers, minus their tails, are left out for birds and other animals to feed on, Jabush said. The federation had 1/10th of the 1,000 entrants it expected. Jabush said some people didn't enter because they didn't think they would catch enough gophers to have a shot at the prizes of shotguns and ammunition. Lococo said hunters were likely reacting to the contest's negative message. "We should be trying to cultivate a respect for other animals in our society," said Lococo. Jabush says animal rights groups ignore the practical reasons behind the contest. "Let them go out and talk to a landowner who had to spend thousands of dollars reseeding their pasture," said Jabush. A 2001 provincial survey of 2,100 farmers found seven to 14 per cent of farmland was affected to some degree by Richardson ground squirrels, or gophers. Lococo called that theory "absurd and pretty much self-serving. "All the scientific evidence indicates that rodent populations are cyclical and that these sorts of events virtually have no impact overall on rodent populations over the long term," Lococo said. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:34:05 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Alliance and Tories reach tentative deal for a unified party http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1066255810979&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467 >From Toronto Star Oct. 16, 2003. 08:28 AM (Photograph) JEAN LEVAC/CP Federal Tory Leader Peter MacKay talks to media yesterday after arriving in Ottawa, where leaders of the Conservative and Canadian Alliance parties were poised to sign a merger agreement that would end the 16-year rift in Canada's conservative movement. Progressive Conservative Party of Canada Right poised to merge Alliance and Tories reach tentative deal for a unified party But ratification by grassroots members will be major hurdle TONDA MACCHARLES OTTAWA BUREAU OTTAWA—The leaders of Canada's two right-wing parties put aside a bitter 16-year feud and reached a tentative deal yesterday to form a united Conservative Party of Canada. Today, Canadian Alliance Leader Stephen Harper and Progressive Conservative Leader Peter MacKay are expected to announce at a joint news conference the agreement-in-principle they hope will end vote-splitting and brighten their electoral prospects in the federal election expected next spring. Each flew to Ottawa late yesterday to iron out the final details of a deal that appeared doomed just days ago and now faces the considerable hurdle of ratification by the grassroots members of both parties — some 130,000 people by current estimates — by Dec. 12. "We'll see if we get the results we want," Harper told journalists. "But I do think we're approaching something that is very historic. It's not often that the political landscape is altered in a big way so quickly but I think we're very close to doing that." MacKay said, "This has been a tough period for Conservatives, but my aim all along has been to build a bigger better tent for conservatives in Canada." Paul Martin, the man destined to be the next prime minister, shrugged off the effect the merger will have on his plans to govern. "You can pick your friends but you can't pick your opponents," Martin said at a Liberal fundraiser yesterday evening. "They're going to do what they're going to do. "I have been focused right from the very beginning on the priorities of Canadians, on the kinds of measures we have to bring to deal with very deep and fundamental change in the country. That's where my focus has been and it's going to continue to be that way regardless of what the adversaries do." This is the timeline the Alliance and Tories have agreed to: Each party's membership will vote to ratify the deal, with ratification completed by Dec. 12; Leadership candidates will have until Feb. 29 to sell memberships; Leadership selection will be conducted March 19 to March 21. Both men are believed to be interested in running for leader of the new party, but for now, are saying little about their ambitions, especially with talk that others like former Ontario premier Mike Harris might run. Harper, 44, has a united caucus supporting a merger, but Mac- Kay, 38, faces divisions among his MPs and senators. MacKay also faces opposition to a merger from within the Progressive Conservative party — opposition that was loudly represented at last spring's leadership convention by anti-free trader David Orchard, who signed a deal to push MacKay to the top of the ballot on condition he not pursue a merger with the Alliance. "There are going to be those that are concerned," MacKay conceded. "This is an evolution, not a devolution of the Progressive Conservative party." Yesterday, Orchard declined to comment when reached by cellphone, saying only, "I'll have to absorb this." He plans to make a statement today. The new Conservative Party of Canada — if approved by the Alliance and PC caucuses and grassroots members — would mean a unified force on the right running against Liberal government candidates in the next federal election, expected as early as April. The Alliance currently has 63 MPs, including two in Ontario, while the Tories have 15 MPs, one of whom is in Ontario. The PC constitution says the merger must be approved by two-thirds of its membership, currently at about 45,000. The Alliance needs only a simple majority of its membership to ratify: 50 per cent plus one. The Alliance party now has nearly 85,000 members. Advocates of the merger argue membership sales will now soar because uniting the right will generate interest and excitement among Canadians, and some boasted the new party would have a chance at forming a minority government. "We have a shot at forming government," said PC negotiator Loyola Hearn. Since 1993, in scores of ridings across the country, the Conservatives and the former Reform party, then its successor, the Canadian Alliance, siphoned votes away from each other, and allowed the Liberal candidates to march to victory up the middle. Unity talks finally began in earnest this summer, after Harper and MacKay appointed two teams of "emissaries." They had agreed on the new party name, and several core principles that would guide it: including "fiscal accountability, progressive social policy, and individual rights and responsibilities." But negotiators reached a deadlock over how to pick a new leader. At one point, tempers ran high and patience ran short at the negotiations. Harper and MacKay undertook leader-to-leader talks that quickly mired in personal sniping. Last weekend, however, a flurry of cross-country calls between and among high-profile Tories appeared to assuage MacKay's concerns over Harper's sincerity. WITH FILES FROM CANADIAN PRESS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:38:13 -0600 (CST) From: The Canadian Liberal Gun Farce Subject: REVIEW - Innocents Betrayed >I've just received my DVD Innocents Betrayed from the JPFO. I was >pleasantly surprised to see they included some free samples of >their Gran'pa Jack series. Bonus! They're very good! and cheap >enough to buy in discounted bulk to distibute to friends and other >thinking people capable of having an open mind to facts. This review will be posted today on the LiberalGunFarce Website http://www.geocities.com/LiberalGunfarce/Innocents.html If anyone would like to add a reveiw of this film please send it to me, and I will compile them on that page. mailto:LiberalGunFarce@Yahoo.com?subject=Documentary Review After so much hype over the phoney "Bowling for Columbine" documentary garbage, it's would be 'real' nice to see this film get MUCH more publicity.. Order it here : http://www.jpfo.org/ib-orders.htm Thanks.. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:49:55 -0600 (CST) From: John Scott Subject: Bear Cubs "If it saves one cub, then the ban is worth it". Where have I heard that logic before? What Eves should do forthwith while he can is to reinstate the spring bear hunt. An unintended consequence of the cancelling of the spring bear hunt is that the moose calf populations probably have been decimated. Why you ask? Black bear are the primary predator of calf moose in the spring time. I can't blame the bears, afterall they must be hungry after hibernating during the winter. More bears ( a gradual three year increase in bears?) means less moose calves and therefore less moose. In the past three years of hunting moose I have only seen one calf. Hunters in the field also report that the calves are nowhere to be seen. I have seen many more bears, though. Some days while at work I may see as many as eleven bears in a day. If the cancelling of the spring bear hunt had a scientific rationale behind it then this unintended consequence would have been taken into account. But because the decision was taken by lawyers, golfers, used car salesman, and all sorts of other feather-bedding types, the moose are hurting now more than the bears were. In some Alaskan jurisdictions less than twenty percent of the years calf crop survive the bears spring feast. Ernie Eves should reinstated the spring bear hunt at once. John Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:38:21 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Ackermann Subject: Letter to the Editor In his letter lamenting the chaotic under funding of our country's forensic crime labs D. G. Hepworth, a former RCMP forensics expert, states, "One has to ask the question: If you could make an investment that had the potential to save Canadian taxpayers huge sums of money while preventing crimes and unnecessary human suffering, why wouldn't you? Canadians need an answer to that question." Mr. Hepworth, the police services have themselves to blame for this mess. You see, your representative organization the Canadian Police Association actively lobbied the government to establish the Billion Dollar Boondoggle otherwise known as the Gun Registry. This lobbying continued long after the huge flaws inherent in this law became readily apparent. Only able to harass law-abiding members of the Responsible Firearms Community, this useless white elephant never had any hope of reducing violent abuses of firearms by criminals, but you just had to have it, didn't you? The more than $1 billion wasted so far would have funded your forensic lab for a hundred years. Because these moneys were squandered on worthless political feel-good legislation it is unavailable for proper forensic services. That's why. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:39:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Vehicular Attacks Against Police This can't be....after all, the vehicles are registered to someone, presumably. And licensed, as are the operators. Registration of anything and everything has become the panacea for not dealing with criminal misuse of that item, material, etc. It's sort of like the 'zero tolerance' programs which are an admission that there is a problem and no one knows how to deal with it - ergo, there is a 'zero tolerance' of the matter without having to address the issue and do something effective. Another example of that is the establishment of 'safe injection' sites for street drugs. You appear to be doing something about the problem without actually doing anything to address the root problem. It still amazes me that after the shootings at L'Ecole Polytechnique the Ruger Mini 14 wasn't immediately criminalized and prohibited forthwith. I traded mine off ASAP as I was sure that was going to be the case. The same with plastic box cutters. After 911 you would have thought that the homeland security/safety nazis/makers of all things safe would have immediately launched a recall and prohibition against these items of potential terrorism. Gee, it works for guns and vehicles, doesn't it? So far the goblins are winning the war on terrorism. The most powerful nation on earth is circling the wagons while it's Legions are besieged far from Rome. The ill-equipped barbarian hordes are nibbling away and the very gates of the Empire are under attack. It's citizens are trading off freedoms and security in the vain hope of preserving what vestige remains of those not realizing that in so doing, they have neither. Todd Birch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:39:41 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Double standard "BELLEVILLE - A 46-year old duck hunter was shot in the back of his shoulder when his companion slipped and accidentally discharged his 12-gauge shotgun. The victim is in a Kingston hospital with non- life-threatening injuries. Dennis Dove, 51, of Wooler, has been charged with careless use of a firearm." A regina cop shoots his fellow SWAT team member between the eyes in an accidental discahrge and he gets what?...no charges..it was an accident. Police discharge all the time accidently..what happens...out comes the broom, caropet gets lifted and swept away. Surely these instances can be used to help defend this fella ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:41:16 -0600 (CST) From: JP Poulin Subject: Re: hi powered magazines On 10/16/2003 10:40 -0500, Trigger Mortis wrote: >>Wow! "hi powered magazines"!!!!! > They must have been magazines to hold high-powered, black, flesh-ripping, > hollowpoint, teflon-coated, belt-fed, armor-piercing, explosive, incendiary, > tracer, cop-killer, ultra high velocity, plutonium-tipped, smart rounds? Al, quit giving them information on my deer loads, eh. Seriously though, I remember one time testing some rifle loads many years ago in a farm where I lived that was near Waterdown, ON. I had a portable bench rest and was shooting @ 100yds with a decent backstop. All of a sudden, two guys jump out from the bush to my right with revolvers drawn and leveled at me. What the hell, I said. I was told to back away from the table and gun and stand there. After a few minutes, they introduced themselves as Hamilton-Wentworth undercover cops and produced badges. They were called in as somebody complained about hearing shots. Then they examined my 6PPC rifle ammo which consisted of Sierra hollow point match ammo. The one officer said, Hey this cannot be legal thinking HP pistol ammo the same. Then I was questioned about that and had to explain about rifle ammo not in the same category. The other officer agreed who was apparently his superior and being satisfied apologized for the intrusion and departed. Good thing they had apologized because I was in my legal right to shoot a firearm even though the town line where it's prohibited was a scant 50yds away to my left. I think the general public have been misinformed if they think that all we want to do is grab all the military AP, incendiary, plutonium rounds we can muster. What the hell for? Have they been conditioned to think that gun owners are out to destroy them and all fabric of society. Socialist conspiracies? JP Poulin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:42:31 -0600 (CST) From: whornby@telusplanet.net Subject: Bears tranqulizers guns and other urban legends one of the things you guys have to point out is that tranquiliser gun's do not work like on TV. they take time. if someone hits an animal and it immediately fell, then that means the animal died!! it normally will take anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour for a tranq to work. part of the problem is that the dose has to be calculated on the weight of the animal. to little and either it doesn't work or takes a long time. to much and the animal dies. as for the dart, it is a vicious thing. about 1 inch long, 2 gauge needle with a half inch barb. can you say OWW. 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