From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #734 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, December 4 2003 Volume 06 : Number 734 In this issue: [chat] Loaded guns in car in D.D.O. To: undisclosed-recipients: ; [chat] HELP SOUGHT TO HALT YOUTH CRIME To: undisclosed-recipients: ; [chat] Column: Some tips for the police chief on how to start a [chat] Hells Angel prohibited from owning firearms for life [chat] Letter: Justice and no 'piece' [chat] The robbers made off with a handgun [chat] Editor (And the truth shall set you free.) [chat] POLICE DISCOVER GUN UNDER CAR [chat] Quebec trio bags $15,000 in fines for hunting violations [chat] Canadian, U.S. smuggler hunters join forces ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:52:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: [chat] Loaded guns in car in D.D.O. To: undisclosed-recipients: ; - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Loaded guns in car in D.D.O. Station 4 - Serving Dollard des Ormeaux Two men were arrested last week after police found loaded guns in the car they were in. Constable Chantal Castonguay said police on patrol learned that the driver of a black Infinity they had stopped on Nov. 30 at the corner of Spring Garden Rd. and Sunnybrooke Blvd. in Dollard des Ormeaux had no valid driver's licence. "The driver offered to pay any fines on the spot but police replied it didn't work that way and called for a tow truck," Castonguay said. "The passenger of the car appeared to be very nervous and didn't want to get out of the car when the tow truck showed up," Castonguay said. When police Constable Pascal Daze went to him, he saw two guns under the passenger seat - a 9-millimetre pistol loaded with eight bullets and a ..22-caliber rifle with four bullets. Two men, a 26-year-old from Pierrefonds and a 20-year-old from Montreal, were arrested. Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca end of message To unsubscribe from this list, do _not_ reply to this message. Instead, e-mail only the following two lines to majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat end ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:54:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: [chat] HELP SOUGHT TO HALT YOUTH CRIME To: undisclosed-recipients: ; - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- HELP SOUGHT TO HALT YOUTH CRIME - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Monica Willie wants local governments and the province to help put a stop to youth violence and murder in Toronto's black community. Yesterday Willie, who helped found Canadian Communities Youth Alliance in 1991, spoke in Scarborough Civic Centre chambers with various local religious leaders about how to turn around the lives of black youths. "We know that this is where the headquarters are. Most of the gangs are being organized in Scarborough. And most of the gangs are coming out of Scarborough," said Willie. "A lot resources are put into place in Scarborough to clutch these young men from getting themselves involved in activities." JOB CREATION Willie hopes the three levels of government will put job-creation programs in place in Scarborough similar to that of the Caribbean Association of Peel, founded in 1983, which helps youth escape street violence and get integrated into the workplace. "We want to create a balance for the young men and women in the community," Willie said. "We want you to turn your guns in. Eight murders in one week is too many." Willie noted that last year in Toronto "19 kids were left without fathers." 'LOST IN SHUFFLE' "They are now lost in the shuffle" and risk falling into the criminal system in the next 15 years. Sam, one of four young men enrolled in the Peel program, said it has started to benefit he and his friends who are working in an aviation apprenticeship program. "The people around you back you up. And you get a feeling that's who family is," he said. Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca end of message To unsubscribe from this list, do _not_ reply to this message. Instead, e-mail only the following two lines to majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat end ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:55:35 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: [chat] Column: Some tips for the police chief on how to start a crime wave From: Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca - ---- Some tips for the police chief on how to start a crime wave - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Never has a police chief had so much trouble getting a crime wave going. Crime waves are essential. Without them, people take the police for granted. They're even more essential when the economic situation is tight. Crime waves remind people that the police force hasn't only been under-appreciated, it is inadequate and needs a bigger budget to do its important job. Toronto's police do not operate on love alone. Julian Fantino has tried and tried. But every time he tells us the city is blowing apart and violent criminals are walking around like they own the place, some reporter digs up a professor who goes over the statistics and says, "Not so fast, there." And it's not just the ivory-towering intellects. In most parts of town there are loyal citizens who would like to support the chief by being scared as skinny as the people in those sad neighbourhoods where everybody is huddled behind the chesterfield, but can't quite get into the spirit of the thing because there are almost no bullets flying around, and so are asking ourselves, "What is he talking about?" We'd all like to help the chief out, but it's hard. Isn't there maybe something he could do to help us help him? Yes. Here are a few steps he could take, all cost-effective, that would be useful. 1) Have police officers run their sirens all the time. When they're just driving around, keep the siren going. Even when they're stopped- say they're sitting in traffic waiting for a light, keep it going then, too. When they park in a no parking zone at a Second Cup and go in to get a latte, leave it going. The sound of sirens makes civilians think something bad has happened. If every police siren everywhere is going all the time it will create a receptive audience. 2a) Every time officers get out of their cars- exit their vehicles- they should draw their guns and wave them around. Civilians aren't used to seeing guns waved around all the time. It makes us go weak at the knees. Our innards churn. Since police don't wave their guns around unless there's a good reason, there must be a good reason. Wondering what it is will start to gnaw at us. This will be incredibly productive. Soon we won't dare shop in Forest Hill Village unless there are lots of officers out there waving guns around. City hall won't hear the end of it: "Raise our taxes! Hire more cops! Our lives depend on it!" 2b) When officers burst into the Second Cup waving their guns around they don't need to shoot out an overhead light. Their arrival will have been noted. When customers shriek, "What's going on?" the officers can explain "We want to get a couple of lattes." When customers offer to let them go to the front of the line, the officers should decline graciously. "Thanks, but you were here first." It's top-notch public relations- people will realize the officers aren't waving their guns around to throw their weight around. And over time we'll get the valuable impression that maximum risk is a constant. 3) Instead of his usual twice-a-day press conferences, the chief should call one every hour. This will keep the media's attention focused. Even if he has nothing new to report, people will realize he might have had something to report, and it must have been something pretty bad if he's having a press conference every hour to keep us alerted. 4) Roust the occupants of a building every week or so, First Canadian Place, St. James' Cathedral, something like that. Seeing all 330 patients wearing full body armour, frisks them will get us thinking, "Who, really, when you get right down to it, doesn't pose a risk?" 5) Increase the pressure by calling a press conference every 20 minutes. People are liable to let their guard down in the lulls between hourly press conferences. 6) How about press conferences 24/7? All press conference all the time! Chief: "Let me just add to the statement I made five seconds ago by saying that nobody has been gunned down in a plaza in the last five seconds either, but the way things are going it will be amazing if we make it through the next five. How long will the people of Toronto continue to put up with this?" Slinger's column usually appears Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca end of message To unsubscribe from this list, do _not_ reply to this message. Instead, e-mail only the following two lines to majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat end ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:58:19 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: [chat] Hells Angel prohibited from owning firearms for life - ---- Man accused in Hells Angels violence pleads guilty to one count - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- PORT COQUITLAM - There's one less co-accused in the second trial of the year involving Hells Angel Juel Stanton. Richard Doucet, 22, was one of four men ordered to stand trial with Stanton for their alleged roles in the violent takeover of a marijuana growing operation in Surrey. Doucet was originally charged with unlawful confinement, assault and extortion, but he avoided trial by pleading guilty to one count of unlawful confinement. Doucet entered the guilty plea on Oct. 28 and was sentenced to 23 months in prison and prohibited from owning firearms for life. Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca end of message To unsubscribe from this list, do _not_ reply to this message. Instead, e-mail only the following two lines to majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat end ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:58:19 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: [chat] Letter: Justice and no 'piece' - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Justice and no 'piece' - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Re: The Perverse Policy of The Gun Registry, Barry Cooper, Dec 3. Welcome to the wild West according to "justice with a piece" Barry Cooper. The gun registry management is undoubtedly a mess that needs cleaning up, but to suggest that making people register a firearm will give criminals an unfair advantage is ludicrous. The United States is the best example of people shooting first and asking questions later. Except for special permits, hand guns should be disallowed and hunting guns should be under lock and key. The registration puts the onus on owners to be more responsible for their firearms and keep them out of the hands of children and mentally unstable peers. Peace without a piece. Ken Billings, Ottawa. Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca end of message To unsubscribe from this list, do _not_ reply to this message. Instead, e-mail only the following two lines to majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat end ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:59:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: [chat] The robbers made off with a handgun SECOND TEEN SURRENDERS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- A second teenager sought in a Markham home invasion, in which a 16-year-old girl and her 8-year-old nephew were forced into a closet, has surrendered to police. The pair was not injured in the Aug. 10 robbery after two armed youths burst into a home on Buttonbush Dr., York Regional Police said yesterday. The robbers made off with a handgun, a coin collection and jewelry. The firearm was later seized by police in Toronto. A 17-year-old who turned himself in to York officers on Sept. 4 was charged. A Markham youth, also age 17, surrendered to police on Tuesday. Both face charges of robbery, using an imitation firearm and forcible confinement. Under the Youth Criminal Justice Act, neither teen can be named. Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca end of message To unsubscribe from this list, do _not_ reply to this message. Instead, e-mail only the following two lines to majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat end ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:01:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: [chat] Editor (And the truth shall set you free.) LETTER OF THE DAY COLUMN - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- RE: "SHOOT down registry," editorial, Nov. 30. A heartfelt thank you for your soothing words of sanity regarding Canada's firearms registry. In a world of political expediency and lies disguised as truths, it would seem that your newspaper is one of the few publications that dares to offer an alternative to the constant spin-doctoring that we in the recreational firearms community have come to expect from the media. Maybe, just maybe, the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a train after all, but the truth. Peter Wilson Editor (And the truth shall set you free.) Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca end of message To unsubscribe from this list, do _not_ reply to this message. Instead, e-mail only the following two lines to majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat end ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:04:53 -0600 (CST) From: undisclosed@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: [chat] POLICE DISCOVER GUN UNDER CAR POLICE DISCOVER GUN UNDER CAR=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------- A .38 revolver was found under a car after cops received a report that = someone pulled a gun during an early morning disturbance behind a city = bar.=20 Police were called to the area of 136 Avenue and 83 Street around 2:15 = a.m. yesterday to deal with a disturbance involving about 20 people.=20 There was also a report that a gun had been pulled and then hidden under = a parked vehicle.=20 Police found a handgun in a black bag under a car in the area.=20 A number of people have been interviewed but police spokesman Dean = Parthenis said officers are not getting a lot of co-operation with the =investigation.=20 Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca end of message To unsubscribe from this list, do _not_ reply to this message. Instead, e-mail only the following two lines to majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat end end of message To unsubscribe from this list, do _not_ reply to this message. Instead, e-mail only the following two lines to majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat end ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:04:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: [chat] Quebec trio bags $15,000 in fines for hunting violations Quebec trio bags $15,000 in fines for hunting violations - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Three hunters from Quebec have pleaded guilty to more than two dozen charges under the provincial wildlife act, according to a representative Yvon Poulin, Remi Poulin and Bernard Metivier were fined a total of $15,000, following a bizarre tale that began in Macklin and ended in Porcupine Plain. The charges included killing more than one big game animal per licence, unlawfully possessing wildlife, and leaving edible game in a field, said Doug Lucyshyn, a conservation officer with Saskatchewan Environment. "What we would call these gentlemen, really, is organized poachers," he said in an interview. According to Lucyshyn, the men were registered in a Macklin motel from Nov. 16 to 22. While it's unknown exactly what happened while they were in that community, one of the men attempted to courier seven sets of deer antlers from Macklin to his home, he said. "He was trying to send them back to his home in St. Joseph, Que.," said Lucyshyn. "So these seven sets of antlers were picked up by Purolator Courier." When blood started to come out of one of the boxes, Purolator Courier returned it to the Macklin Motor Inn. However, the hunters had already left by that time, Lucyshyn said. "Our officers from Lloydminster became involved at that point, and subsequently seized those seven sets of antlers," he said. "Now we have absolutely no idea where the deer are. We don't know where those deer were shot. Macklin, of course, is close to the Alberta border." At some point after Nov. 22, the Quebec men made their way across Saskatchewan and ended up in Porcupine Plain. According to Lucyshyn, conservation officers began getting reports about deer that were being shot and left in a field with their antlers cut off. Bullets were then recovered from some of the deer, and were determined to come from "a unique calibre of rifle," Lucyshyn said. "So the officers were then on the lookout for anybody using those particular kinds of rifles," he said. "Eventually, they encountered these three gentlemen, who had rifles that matched what they were looking for." An investigation resulted, during which a number of items were seized, including an extensive amount of videotape. From the tapes, officers were able to determine the men had shot eight whitetail deer bucks in the Porcupine Plain area as well, Lucyshyn said. As a result of the investigation, the Quebec men were arrested on Nov. 29 in Porcupine Plain. They appeared in front of a justice of the peace on Monday, where they pleaded guilty, he said. Twenty-eight provincial charges were laid, as well as one charge under a federal act that governs the transport of wildlife across provincial or federal borders, Lucyshyn said. "We're really hoping with the penalties that we levied, it will serve as a strong deterrent to anybody contemplating ignoring our wildlife laws -- no matter where they're from," Lucyshyn said. Although such cases generally aren't solved without the use of undercover officers, this case was solved by uniform conservation officers from several communities, Lucyshyn said. "They should really be commended for a job well done," he said. To report poachers, people can call a tip line at 1-800-667-7561. Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca end of message To unsubscribe from this list, do _not_ reply to this message. Instead, e-mail only the following two lines to majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat end ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:05:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: [chat] Canadian, U.S. smuggler hunters join forces Canadian, U.S. smuggler hunters join forces to snare people, pot and smokes - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- AKWESASNE MOHAWK TERRITORY (CP) _ The chase is on as twin 150-horsepower engines split the late-night stillness in smugglers paradise. An RCMP zodiac takes off down the St. Lawrence River near Cornwall, Ont. Reaching 80 kilometres an hour, it skips over a frigid surface that glitters like cut glass. Two Mounties and a local police officer race without running lights to catch a boat as it speeds into the darkness. ``Over there,'' shouts RCMP Sgt. Gilles Tougas above the roar. He points north toward a swath of the Akwesasne Mohawk Territory. At this hour, anyone on the water is suspected as a potential smuggler of marijuana, contraband cigarettes or, more troubling in the post-Sept. 11 era, illegal migrants. The police boat hisses to a stop near where the Ontario, Quebec and New York state borders intersect through Akwesasne. The name is Mohawk for ``land where the partridge drums,'' a reference to how the male birds beat their wings in mating season. In total, the territory sprawls over 10,000 hectares on land, water and scenic islands. It straddles the Canada-U.S. border which, on maps, cuts the St. Lawrence in half. A network of international bridges, roads and waterways strings the islands and mainland together. It's a jurisdictional quagmire of woods and riverside terrain ideal for smuggling of all kinds _ including people. A small portion of the native community has forged ties with organized crime in recent decades, helping to ferry cargo through their land for cash. Using night vision goggles and a device that detects heat, police watch the shoreline. Their suspect, likely in a boat much faster than they can match, has disappeared into the night. But it won't be long before the next chase begins. It's business as usual for these members of the International Border Enforcement Unit. The team, formed after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, regularly seizes illicit goods as they chip away at a monumental smuggling industry. The cross-border effort includes RCMP, native and local police, Canada and U.S. customs, the U.S. Homeland Security Office and the Coast Guard. Members patrol the unwieldy stretch of border in boats, vehicles and helicopters. They cover about 100 kilometres from just east of Kingston to the Vermont border. In the distance, staccato cracks are heard over barking dogs. ``That sounded like gunfire,'' says RCMP Const. Daniel Laberge. It's approaching midnight, it's -6 Celsius with the wind chill, and he's wearing a survival suit for warmth over a bullet-proof vest. The seven-metre, open zodiac offers little protection. His boss, Sgt. Tougas, says fleeing smugglers have fired his way several times, with at least one close call. Their weapon of choice: AK-47 assault rifles. ``There's nothing like hearing gun shots,'' says Tougas, a married father of two. ``It's after, when you get home, that it settles in.'' The smuggler hunters see action almost every night. ``Human cargo is a top priority'' since 9-11, Tougas says. ``Although we don't have any intelligence that leads us to believe that this area has been used by terrorists, it is still a concern.'' About 150 people were nabbed trying to sneak over the border at Akwesasne last year _ mostly from Canada to the U.S., Tougas said. That's down from up to 900 a year before border security was tightened after 2001. No one knows how many people sneak in undetected, but U.S. border officers in Mexico have estimated they only catch one in 10. Smugglers deal in illicit goods ranging from drugs to exotic fruits. (One enterprising crook was once caught with a boat loaded with cases of Chinese lychee. He was apparently trying to skirt U.S. import restrictions meant to limit fruit-fly infestations linked to the popular fruit.) Marijuana and cigarettes keep officers busy. High-quality pot grown in hydroponic labs, dubbed ``Quebec gold,'' is also lucrative draw in the U.S. The border team has seized 932 kilograms with a Canadian street value of up to $6.6 million this year, up from 600 kilograms last year. More than 920 cases of cigarettes (46,150 cartons) have been snared, worth $1 million or $22 per carton in evaded federal tax. That's up from 617 cases _ almost 31,000 cartons _ caught last year. Those convicted face fines of double or triple the eluded excise tax _ a mere cost of doing business, say critics. The border team is braced to get busier as Ontario moves to raise cigarette taxes, hiking the appeal of cut-rate native smokes made in the U.S. and smuggled into Canada. Tobacco scams are unsettling for other reasons. An RCMP report released last August suggests cigarette smuggling helps to fund terrorists in the Middle East and Europe. Aside from more and faster boats, border officers say they need to be able to chase suspects across the Canada-U.S. line in the St. Lawrence River. Police jurisdiction ends at the border, allowing smugglers to thumb their noses as they retreat past the divide. ``That's a major, major problem,'' says Dick Ashlaw of the U.S. Border Patrol. ``That's what makes this area so enticing to smugglers. ``It's nirvana for them.'' Ottawa and Washington are in talks about how to share jurisdiction, but sovereignty and other complicating factors are ``huge,'' says Ashlaw. At least officers on both sides of the border now have compatible radios _ a crucial tool they lacked 18 months ago. ``If we can't get you, the Americans will,'' says RCMP Sgt. Tougas. ``We're helping each other.'' Not that everyone appreciates the enforcement efforts. ``This is a police state,'' says one Akwesasne resident who didn't wish to be named. ``I don't think anybody appreciates the heavy-handedness of these forces.'' It's not unusual for reserve residents on shopping trips to be surrounded by officers, he said. Vehicles that ride low are routinely pulled over by the ``Marlboro Gang'' searching for cases of cigarettes, he said. ``The whole community is portrayed to be part of the smugglers. We're not.'' Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca end of message To unsubscribe from this list, do _not_ reply to this message. 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