From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #798 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, January 6 2004 Volume 06 : Number 798 In this issue: Letter: Illogical analogy No surprises in 2003 crime statistics, Halifax police say; MNR EASES POLICY ON DEER Grizzly hunt fears raised: Letter: Promise broken Editor (Exactly what we've been saying) A note from Laurie Hawn Firearms act now get loses support Writ of Mandamus Response: B.C. courts must help us end this gun crime madness Re: wild west Re: suicides Re: suicides Re: What do I think? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:53:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Illogical analogy PUBLICATION GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: TUE JAN.06,2004 PAGE: A14 BYLINE: ALAN RANDELL CLASS: Letter to the Edit EDITION: Metro DATELINE: Victoria BC WORDS: 104 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Illogical analogy - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- S. Z. Reuter (letter -- Jan. 5) expresses dismay at the suggestion that children should be taught to handle guns safely, positing that "This (il)logic would have us introducing our children to heroin too." As a grieving father of a son who died in 1993 from the effects of street heroin, I would say to Ms.Reuter that I would much rather have been able to introduce my son to legal and clean heroin than for him to place his life in the hands of street drug dealers. We teach our children about safe sex, why not teach them about other potentially dangerous activities? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:54:17 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: No surprises in 2003 crime statistics, Halifax police say; PUBLICATION: The Chronicle-Herald DATE: 2004.01.06 SECTION: Metro PAGE: A6 SOURCE: Crime Reporter BYLINE: Patricia Brooks - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- No surprises in 2003 crime statistics, Halifax police say; Official numbers expected next month - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Halifax Regional Police aren't surprised by the crime statistics for 2003. There were 474 robberies last year in the 14 municipal districts under the jurisdiction of the Halifax force. "The numbers aren't that high," force spokesman Sgt. Don Spicer said. "Quite often there's a perception that there's a dramatic increase because there might be two or three that happen in close proximity to each other in time, or there's a unique one where a store owner fights back and gets a lot of attention. "So they're thinking there's a lot of robberies, when quite often there's not." In recent years, Sgt. Spicer said, about 86 per cent of the vehicles stolen here have been recovered. "I don't think the port city thing had a lot to do with the stolen cars in our area because the majority of them are stolen locally and actually recovered locally." Most of those stolen in the last year were "used for transportation purposes, either to commit another crime, like a robbery or a break and enter, and then dumped, or in some cases just used for transportation from point A to point B." The weapons calls statistics - 915 for 2003 - can be deceiving, Sgt. Spicer said, making it difficult to get a complete picture of the weapons seized. The numbers include "someone pulling a knife or a gun on someone or using it in a crime of some type," he said. But they also include calls from people who find old hunting rifles in the attic and want them destroyed. "We do get a lot of those," Sgt. Spicer said. There were 1,883 reported assaults in 2003, including swarmings, serious assaults causing injury and much less serious offences, possibly one person pushing another. Despite the high numbers, he said, "the majority of our assaults are actually common assaults where there's no actual physical injury." The number of break and enters last year - 2,482 - was second only to the incidence of property damage motor vehicle accidents (3,761), which include only accidents where no injuries were reported. Break and enters are "a difficult thing to investigate," Sgt. Spicer said. "The criminal that's going to commit a break and enter goes to great lengths to make sure no one's home. And because they do that, a lot of times there's not a lot of witnesses." Police rely on residents to report suspicious activity because "the people who know their neighbourhood the best live in it," Sgt. Spicer said. The force's crime analyst reviews the calls each week and tries to spot trends - when and where crimes happen and how they're committed - to help predict where the crimes will likely happen next. The analyst "alerts our investigators so that we can reallocate our resources more effectively" through surveillance or checking known criminals in the area, Sgt. Spicer said. "Any type of information that can lead our investigators in the proper direction is going to make the job that much more successful." The force is expected to release its official year-end statistics next month, after reviewing the numbers for possible errors. 2003 CRIME NUMBERS Editor's note: These are the unofficial crime statistics for 2003, ending Dec. 28, for 14 municipal districts covered by Halifax Regional Police. Assaults - 1,883 Break and enters - 2,482 MVA prop. damage - 3,761 MVA injury/fatality - 852 Robberies - 474 Sex offences - 300 Theft/attempted theft of vehicles - 1,454 Weapons calls - 915 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:55:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: MNR EASES POLICY ON DEER PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2004.01.06 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 16 BYLINE: DEREK ABMA, OTTAWA SUN - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- MNR EASES POLICY ON DEER - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Ontario's Ministry of Natural Resources confirmed yesterday it has relaxed its policy allowing Lanark County farmers to shoot nuisance deer. Kerry Coleman, the ministry's area supervisor for Lanark and Ottawa, said eight permits were issued between Dec. 22-24. The permit holders are allowed to shoot deer for the purpose of protecting agricultural interests until the end of January. Farmers are not charged for these types of permits, and Coleman emphasized they are different from hunting tags. The Lanark Landowners Association has long complained that Ministry of Natural Resources rules prevent them from adequately protecting their crops from a growing nuisance deer population. 'CHRONIC PROBLEM' Coleman said the number of permits issued recently is about equal to what was issued between Aug. 15 and early November of last year. He said others might possibly have been issued at different times over the course of the year. Unlike typical permits for protecting agriculture, these recent ones did not require an inspection proving deer-inflicted damage to crops. "Obviously, a lot of the farmers wouldn't have crops right now," Coleman said, adding that the recent permits are for dealing with a "chronic problem." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:56:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Grizzly hunt fears raised: PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald DATE: 2004.01.04 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A3 BYLINE: Grady Semmens SOURCE: CanWest News Service ILLUSTRATION: Photo: Calgary Herald archive / (Grizzly) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Grizzly hunt fears raised: Group doubts bear population numbers - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- A spring grizzly bear hunt will needlessly put Alberta's grizzlies a step closer to extermination, according to conservationists calling for the annual harvest to be put on hold after the latest estimate shows the grizzly population is far lower than previously believed. While provincial officials say they are still deciding if the hunt will be allowed this year, environmentalists fear the government may not heed calls to suspend the hunt, even though the grizzly population is now believed to be almost half of what it was thought to be a year ago. "We feel that given the latest information on population numbers, the hunt should be suspended until such time as the population can withstand losses from hunting," said Tracey Henderson, program director of the Canmore, Alta.-based Grizzly Bear Alliance. "Stopping the hunt is the easiest way to substantially decrease the number of grizzly bears that are dying each year, and if the government fails to suspend the hunt, it certainly calls into question their sincerity in securing the future of the grizzly bear in Alberta." An announcement about the annual grizzly hunting season is expected from Sustainable Resource Development Minister Mike Cardinal within weeks, prompting renewed calls from the province's largest green groups for the animal to be declared a threatened species in Alberta and for the hunt to be halted due to what many call the grizzly population's "perilous" state. Hunters, meanwhile, are urging Cardinal to continue the hunt, saying the population is stable and that the newest numbers are questionable. "Conservation of wildlife is always our first objective, but with grizzly bears there's no reason to believe we're at the point where we need to be worried," said Ray Makowecki, president of the 14,000-member Alberta Fish and Game Association. "Fifteen years of records and subjective evidence shows there has actually been a small population increase and that the small number of bears harvested through legal hunting is having no effect on the population." Central to the debate is a government report completed last fall that found the formula used to calculate Alberta's grizzly population since 1988 has produced numbers that are "not biologically possible" and revised the population estimate to more accurately reflect current conditions. Using an updated formula, the province's grizzly specialist Gordon Stenhouse, University of Alberta biologist Mark Boyce and Nelson, B.C., ecologist John Boulanger reduced the 2002 population estimate from 968 grizzlies to about 500, not including the estimated 185 bears living in Banff, Jasper and Waterton Lakes national parks. The report says steps are required to reduce grizzly deaths in three of the province's 21 "bear management areas" -- two of which are directly west of Jasper and Banff national parks -- and says a "conservative" legal harvest could be continued in other areas if population numbers are closely monitored. Environmentalists say the report proves Alberta's grizzlies are in a state of crisis, estimating there are likely no more than 300 breeding-age individuals -- far less than the 1,000 considered a stable population -- and that the current population is lower than the 575 estimated in 1988. "Even this estimate is probably overly optimistic because it's based on habitat information from 1988," said Nigel Douglas, spokesman for the Alberta Wilderness Association. "Grizzly habitat has been impacted hugely in the last 15 years by development," Douglas said. "If 1,000 breeding-age animals is considered the minimum number for a viable long-term population then there's no doubt they're a threatened species and should probably even be declared endangered." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:57:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Promise broken PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2004.01.04 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PNAME: Letters PAGE: A13 BYLINE: Bruce N. Mills SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Promise broken - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Re: Ontario won't renew bear hunt: minister, Dec. 18. Natural Resources Minister David Ramsay promised during the Ontario election to reinstate the spring bear hunt. Now he has gone against scientific evidence and has failed to keep his word. Hunters across Ontario will make sure that Mr. Ramsay is unemployed after the next election -- just like he's unemployed hundreds, if not thousands, of guides and outfitters. Bruce N. Mills, Dundas, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:01:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Editor (Exactly what we've been saying) PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2004.01.06 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial/Opinion PAGE: 14 COLUMN: Letters to the Editor WITH 84 different gangs on the streets of Toronto, no wonder Chief Julian Fantino is asking Paul Martin to change laws related to gun violence. Getting people involved, in your neighbourhood, could possibly help this dramatic situation by having neighbourhood associations and inviting the police to the meetings. Trying to get the chief and government to stop the buying and selling of guns and bullets in stores would also help a bit, as would putting more police surveillance and cameras in areas where gangs are known to hang out. Toronto and its citizens need to come together and try and take control of our neighbourhoods to make them safe. Pat Duck Toronto Editor (Exactly what we've been saying) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 13:19:04 -0600 (CST) From: moderator1@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: A note from Laurie Hawn Hi Gordon, Thanks for that. I look forward to a hard-fought, fun, AND successful campaign and I will appreciate any and all help. Our campaign strategy is to remain respectful but relentless, informed and aggressive. We will only refer to Anne in public as Ms. McLellan or Minister McLellan, depending on the audience. We need to craft and send our message carefully to avoid any labelling that the Liberals have successfully used in past elections. Ms. McLellan and Paul Martin are giving us lots of ammo (no pun intended) and we're using some in letters to the editor, etc. to see how they resonate. So far, we have received $$ contributions from six provinces, one territory and four states. The largest portion has come from military colleagues, but the recreational firearms community is starting to appear, thanks to people like you and Yukon Mike (Youso). Linda is one of the hardest working, most dedicated people I have ever met. She also provided some valuable insight into the world of recreational firearms advocacy. We will proceed cautiously. Is there a site at which I can subscribe on-line for the Canadian Firearms Digest? I look forward to meeting you and swapping some warrior lies.....not that warriors actually lie...........just don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. Cheers, Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 13:21:00 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Firearms act now get loses support The billion dollar mess which is supposed to magically give Canadians a greater culture of safety appears to be turning into a nightmare with less support each day. With the exception of various single purpose groups who feast on the government teat (Coalition for Gun Control) and are intent on keeping this charter rights violating piece of legislation from sinking, it appears that Police Associations are now beginning to distance themselves from this 1.25 billion dollar mess. The Calgary Poplice Association no longer supports this money wasteing act. Along with chief of Toronto Police Julian fantino who calls the firearms act a waste of resources and money, they join the ranks of three quarters of the provinces who also do not support the firearms act and registry. In spite of all the spin doctoring the Liberals can throw at this boondoggle, it still looks like a lemon, and tastes like a lemon and leaves a sour taste in taxpayers mouths. Time to scrap the firearms act and replace it with something that actually works. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 13:22:00 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Writ of Mandamus WRIT OF MANDAMUS. By and to whom writ of mandamus issued. The writ of mandamus may be issued by the supreme and district courts to any inferior tribunal, corporation, board, or person to compel the performance of an act which the law specially enjoins as a duty resulting from an office, trust, or station, or to compel the admission of a party to the use and enjoyment of a right or office to which the party is entitled and from which the party is precluded unlawfully by such inferior tribunal, corporation, board, or person. Help Needed: Anyone have any advice/experience to offer on how to apply for a Wrti of Mandamus ?? Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:16:51 -0600 (CST) From: "jim davies" Subject: Response: B.C. courts must help us end this gun crime madness Response to: B.C. courts must help us end this gun crime madness It is too bad that Ottawa has wasted all that justice ministry money on the gun registry boondoggle instead of hiring more police or even restraining the over-liberalization of the judiciary. While the former focuses only on folks who do not commit crimes, the latter two would actually deter criminals and reduce crime. Will we remember this terrible failure during the next federal election? Or will we continue to re-elect the Liberal Party to govern Canada? We know what the Liberals intend to do: more of the same. Note that Anne McClellan, in charge during the worst monetary excesses of the boondoggle is back in charge of it. Can we afford another lost billion? Or two? Jim Davies Delta [591-6566 for verification only] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:54:16 -0600 (CST) From: B Farion Subject: Re: wild west >Toronto is a safe city that sometimes resembles the Wild West. That is the >paradox the city's leaders in all spheres will have to confront this year. >It has pockets of lawlessness. This is terrible for those who live in those >pockets -- which include some public-housing developments thick with >children and families -- and it is also bad for those unlucky enough to be >nearby when the lawlessness spills out. > Well, prove to me that the west before WW 1 was really wild. Most people were just working to scratch a living. Lots of the holywood image comes from corrupt politcians and law enforcement types! And the "manifest Destiny" of ignorant politicians. What did a worker earn and how much did 50 rounds of ammo cost!?? Bet the average guy did not do much shooting! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:55:16 -0600 (CST) From: B Farion Subject: Re: suicides >MURDER CITY THERE WERE 65 HOMICIDE VICTIMS IN T.O. IN 2003 >BY THE NUMBERS >How >- - 30 murder victims were shot. >- - 13 died from stab wounds. >- - 11 were beaten or bludgeoned with weapons. >- - 6 were strangled. >- - 3 died from fire. >- - 1 man was killed by a car. >- - 1 victim died from a cocaine overdose while bound. >Who >- - 52 men and 13 women. >- - 14 of the victims were teens, 7 were under 18. >- - 5 men are charged with killing partners or ex-partners. >- - 4 sex trade workers were killed, and while police have linked the murder >of Cassandra Do to a serial predator who has beaten hookers in the past, >the murders are not linked. >- - 1 woman is charged with stabbing her husband to death. >Why >- - 31 cases involved gangs. >- - 9 were robbery related. >- - 1 is counted as a revenge killing. - 1 was part of a sex assault. > >------------------------------ > > And how many people commited suicde because of government policy! The number in Alberta is about 100 times greater than killings. Source was a Pembina Institue Study released last year. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:52:45 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: suicides B Farion wrote: > And how many people commited suicde because of government policy! > The number in Alberta is about 100 times greater than killings. Source > was a Pembina Institue Study released last year. Got a source for that? We all know of Peter Kearns for one. moderator1@hitchen.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:42:17 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Ackermann Subject: Re: What do I think? Here's what I think: Its is way past time that the arrogant, out-of-touch federal government actually listened for a change to the people it hurts when it passes useless and unconstitutional legislation in its misguided attempts at social engineering. A long time ago the federal government decided that the private ownership and use of firearms by anyone other than a government agent was a "questionable practice" that must be curtailed. Allan Rock, "came to Ottawa in the firm belief that only the police and the military should have firearms". He engineered the current Firearms Act and cynically and shamelessly used the horrible Montreal Massacre to get public support. We in the Responsible Firearms Community, armed with mountains of high quality research and historical data were labeled as "gun nuts", brushed aside, and ignored when we raised our very legitimate objections to a law that was being sold under false pretenses and would only eliminate our culture of safe and responsible firearms education and use, while not affecting the criminal element in any way. We have seen our members attacked in their homes, their property ransacked, confiscated, and destroyed, their spouses, children, and employees terrorized at gunpoint by agents of the state. They have been dragged through the courts repeatedly by a foe that has the limitless pockets of the tax payer to draw upon to fund its assaults on our rights and freedoms. Innocent verdicts are appealed by the State, not because of any miscarriage of Justice, but because the State can't abide an honest citizen showing it up in court. Even when cleared of all charges, every obstacle is thrown in the way of the citizen's attempts to have his/her property returned intact. We see our government hiding its true intentions and activities from the people, not as a matter of national security or dire emergency, but as a matter of course. When it is finally forced to grudgingly release some information about the mistreatment of some hapless soul or wastage of precious resources, the State uses various loopholes to censor and withhold anything that might actually help us in our attempt to find Justice. We see the ongoing corrupt abuses of position and power by those we should expect to be above such weakness as they purport to be leaders of our country. All the while this is going on, the gang bangers and other criminals continue their slaughter unaffected by the law, because the government has a policy of minimizing at all costs the jail time to be served by violent felons. Plea-bargaining, early mandatory release, dishonest sentencing, and three-for-one time credits are but a few of the techniques our government uses to guarantee a fresh supply of criminals and victims to keep the wheels of the crime industry - otherwise known by the misnomer of "Justice" - turning. Rather than institute policies aimed at strengthening our society by strenghthening its individual members (for example mandatory military service after high school, and citizenship earned by such or similar public service not just freely gained by birth in Canada), we instead see everything possible done to render potential crime victims as helpless as possible. Rather than telling airplane passengers how to immobilize and detain violent threats to the aircraft, our government wastes its time and ours taking knitting needles away from grannies. And now, to top it all off, we get the death of this beautiful and heroic young woman in Vancouver which, investigation will undoubtedly reveal, is the direct result of her killer being out on the street despite a long litany of prior violent offenses. Our government is attacking my culture and colleagues and has sold the idea to the non shooting public that we are the problem when it is the policies of the government itself that continue the tragic loss of life. Do I sound angry? Damn right I am! For some reason my government has decided it can't have me around, this despite the fact that I have served as a soldier in our military and I have never harmed anyone, but it can tolerate career killers out walking the streets and murdering our daughters. It has wasted over a billion dollars on long gun registry that is every bit a useless as the handgun registry that preceded it as a tool for curbing violence while it cries that there is not enough money to adequately fund our police and courts. Recently here in Nova Scotia a man who shot a cop with a center fire rifle had the charge of "attempted murder using a firearm" magically turned into "discharging a firearm with an intent to endanger life". The result of this legal gobbledygook is that he gets a sentence of eight months (out in six) while I can go to jail for ten years for the paper crime of not having a stupid registration card for every gun that I legally and harmlessly own. To finish up, let me again repeat what we in the RFC have been begging our government for a long time: We do not want gun anarchy. We want a coherent system of gun laws that are constitutional, effective, appropriately targeted, enforced, and cost-effective. These laws must severely deter and punish the violent criminal and negligent abuses of firearms while promoting the widespread dissemination of firearms safety and knowledge. We are willing to work tirelessly with any government or agency to achieve this goal. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". PUBLICATION: The Province DATE: 2004.01.06 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial PAGE: A14 SOURCE: The Province - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ B.C. courts must help us end this gun crime madness - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The tragic weekend shooting death of a heroic Vancouver waitress should serve as a wake-up call to all law-abiding British Columbians. Friends of Rachel Davis say she died after trying to intervene in an early-morning fight in Gastown -- and attempting to save a man from being kicked to death. The 23-year-old Davis, daughter of Gemini-award-winning actress Janet Wright, was clearly a brave, compassionate young woman who always tried to help the underdog. She was beloved by her family and friends, including those in the skateboarding community. Her devastated parents themselves say they bear no ill-will towards those involved in the fight that killed their daughter. "How can I have ill will toward a bunch of people who were probably drunk," mom Janet Wright asked. Her father, Bruce Davis, said: "The way she died was awful, but at least it was in the spirit of her courage and character." Perhaps, the people of B.C. should not be so charitable toward the perpetrators of this senseless shooting -- which also claimed the life of 24-year-old Richard Hui of Vancouver. After all, the criminal use of firearms used to be a rare occurrence in the Lower Mainland. But now not a week seems to go by without a drive-by shooting or armed holdup. And it's interesting to note that the Purple Onion nightclub, near where Davis's killing took place, is a stone's throw away from the Loft Six club, where three people were killed by gunfire in August. Both shootings happened around 4 a.m., currently the weekend closing time for many downtown bars. And some have suggested the later closings are behind the latest wave of nighttime violence. Others believe the gun-play was gang-related -- while police say they think the fight, which was between two groups of young men, was over a woman. Whatever the explanation, it's high time our excessively lenient courts started to clamp down on gun-toting criminals and gun crime in general in B.CWhatever the explanation, it's high time our excessively lenient courts started to clamp down on gun-toting criminals and gun crime in general in B.C. Now is the time to call an end to this destructive madness. What do you think? 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