From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #882 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, January 30 2004 Volume 06 : Number 882 In this issue: Editor (We always think it's smart to listen to the cops on the Gunplay in bar fight nets prison for shooter Chief can't remember seeing machine pistol in city before LE PARLEMENT A ENCORE =C9T=C9 TROMP=C9 AU SUJET DU REGISTR E DES ARMES =C0 FEU CFC's NATIONAL COMPLIANCE STRATEGY & PROGRAM NEW DOCUMENTS PROVE PARLIAMENT STILL BEING MISLED ON GUN REGISTRY Re: Women need access to Protection, Attacks concern U of S students Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #881 Advertisement for Access to Firearms ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:33:23 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Editor (We always think it's smart to listen to the cops on the street) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2004.01.30 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial/Opinion PAGE: 15 COLUMN: Letter of the Day - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LETTER OF THE DAY COLUMN - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I HAVE been a Toronto police officer for 28 years, working in Regent Park for some 20 years exclusively as a foot patrol officer, as well as on the major crime unit and drug enforcement. I am glad Chief Julian Fantino is having a think tank with community leaders to solve gang violence. Here are some respectful suggestions for my chief: 1) Return foot patrol officers to all OHC complexes; 2) Put all probationary officers on the beat with a 1st Class coach officer for two years; 3) Post officers from minority groups in the communities they were hired to reflect; 4) Return local firearms officers to each division, to ensure all applicants for firearms licenses are checked for mental competence and background; 5) Request the provincial government to fund proper security officers in the projects (community guardians). The first crack house was raided in the late 1980s in St Jamestown. It's now 2004 and the same gangsters are still shooting each other up. But now innocent bystanders are getting shot too. If 84% of people being arrested for gun-related offences are career criminals they should not be getting bail. My last suggestion is to community leaders, criminal lawyers, judges and politicians. We have excellent new and old officers on the Toronto Police Services, but morale is low because we see the games that are played out each day in the courts. You cannot handcuff and blindfold police officers and tell them to go out and do a good job. Nobody wants to put his/her job and neck on the line when the support is not there. The community leaders should declare to the chief who the enemy is, what they want done about them and what they are going to do to assist the chief in this struggle for the control of our streets. Det.-Const. Terry Denvir 52 Division Editor (We always think it's smart to listen to the cops on the street) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:33:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Gunplay in bar fight nets prison for shooter PUBLICATION WINNIPEG FREE PRESS DATE : FRI JAN.30,2004 PAGE : B8 CLASS : City EDITION : - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gunplay in bar fight nets prison for shooter Victim's thigh grazed while chasing accused - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike McIntyre A man who pulled out a handgun and opened fire during a Winnipeg bar fight, grazing his victim in the leg, was sentenced to five years in prison yesterday. Luke Pujol, 20, claims he feared for his own safety when a group of men began chasing him outside the Palladium nightclub on Pembina Highway in August 2001. "You're very lucky a flesh wound was all that happened or you'd be facing a much more serious charge," Queen's Bench Justice Brenda Keyser said. Pujol will serve only one additional year behind bars on this charge, as his two years of pre-trial custody is doubled and included in the global sentence. By law, Keyser had to impose at least a four-year prison term -- the minimum for conviction of illegally discharging a firearm. Impose penalties Many victims and politicians, including Manitoba Justice Minister Gord Mackintosh, want Ottawa to impose similar minimum penalties for other crimes of violence. Earlier this month, a young man was given a two-year conditional sentence in an aggravated-assault case in which the victim, Michael Marasco, suffered permanent brain damage. Erron Hogg followed Marasco home from a Transcona bar and clubbed him with a metal bar, wrongly believing he had previously attacked one of Hogg's friends. In fact, the pair had never met. In the case yesterday, the victim, a resident of Newfoundland, got into a heated dispute with Pujol, court was told. Both men were eventually kicked out of the bar but continued the argument outside. The dispute escalated, with the victim and some friends chasing Pujol and another man down the street. Pujol pulled a handgun from the waistband of his pants and fired two shots. The first struck the pavement, the second grazed the victim's thigh. The victim was treated and released from hospital. Pujol wasn't arrested until five months later, in January 2002. Defence lawyer Sandy Chapman said it was the first time her client had been in a bar and he "drank to excess" that night, which impaired his judgment. Pujol's guilty plea yesterday doesn't end his legal troubles. He is facing a first-degree murder charge for a November 2001 killing in which the body was dumped on the outskirts of Winnipeg. Manitoba Justice recently authorized a direct indictment against Pujol and his co-accused, Derik Zarichanski. No trial dates have been set. They are accused of killing Benjamin Metcalf Marshall, 20, whose body was found wrapped in plastic and duct tape. An autopsy revealed he'd been shot. Pujol and Zarichanski are also charged with conspiracy to murder a man police believe was also slated to die. mike.mcintyre@freepress.mb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:33:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Chief can't remember seeing machine pistol in city before PUBLICATION: Windsor Star DATE: 2004.01.30 EDITION: Final SECTION: NEWS PAGE: A1 / Front BYLINE: Doug Schmidt, Star Police Reporter SOURCE: Windsor Star NOTE: EDITOR'S NOTE: dschmidt@thestar.canwest.com or 255-5586 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weapon worries officers; Chief can't remember seeing machine pistol in city before - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The arrival on Windsor streets of a semi-automatic handgun easily converted to be capable of firing a stream of 50 bullets is a source of concern for local police officers. "This weapon was designed for military-type assault," said police Chief Glenn Stannard. A Windsor police veteran of more than three decades, Stannard said he can't recall ever seeing that type of weapon used locally. "It certainly is a concern for police officers on the road," said Sgt. Mike LaPorte, president of the Windsor Police Association. Police believe a Windsor man who suffered "multiple gunshot wounds" outside the Lumberjack Restaurant and Trappers Sports Pub at Howard Avenue and Tecumseh Road East Tuesday had been shot with a Tec-9 semi-automatic pistol. They seized the illegal gun from a car they surrounded at a county gas bar after the shooting. Two stray bullets entered Trappers, one narrowly missing a bartender's head. Const. Pete Mosher helps keep track of every firearm seized by Windsor police. "It's a very scary looking firearm," he said of the Tec-9 . The Tec-9 seized this week -- prohibited in Canada and sporting an illegal 22-round magazine -- is "one of the most dangerous weapons" Mosher said he's seen in his five years as a Windsor firearms officer. "The big thing (with the Tec-9) is, they're cheap, they're mean looking, they have a big magazine and they can be easily converted to fully automatic," said Mosher. He added they're also easy to adapt to a silencer. Neither the department's rank and file nor its senior brass, however, believe Tuesday's alleged use of a Tec-9 at the busy intersection represents an escalation in the type of weaponry employed by local criminals. "This type of act is concerning.... But let's not make this a crime wave.... We have very few of these shootings," said Chief Stannard. "I think it was an isolated incident," added LaPorte. "I don't think there's a proliferation out there, but if there's one (Tec-9), there's probably more." Last year, about 300 firearms were seized by Windsor police, including air and paintball guns. About half were linked to criminal offences. The Tec-9 is currently banned in the United States, but tens of thousands of pre-ban models are legal and the weapon can still be readily obtained by firearms dealers or on the open market. It is the same handgun used in the attack at Columbine High School. It is advertised for its finger-proof finish. "It wouldn't be difficult for a person to find that kind of gun here," said Officer Derek Jones, Detroit police department spokesman. Across the river, seeing a Tec-9 in the hand of a criminal wouldn't raise much of a fuss. "Not really. A big deal to us would be an AK-47," said Jones, referring to the high-calibre Russian assault rifle, the weapon of choice for terrorists and Third World insurgents. The majority of guns Detroit police encounter are simple revolvers, said Jones, although some criminals -- "drug dealers and people like that" -- choose the Tec-9 because of its menacing look and Hollywood movie-derived fame. Guns were used in more than half of the more than 300 homicides committed in Detroit. The condition of the victim of Tuesday's shooting, a 34-year-old Windsor man whose identity police won't make public, was upgraded Thursday to serious from critical. He has undergone two surgeries. David Thibert, 20, of Windsor is charged with attempted murder and possession of cocaine. Additional weapons-related charges are also expected to be laid by police. Thibert remains in custody at Windsor Jail and makes a court appearance today by video. GOOD WORK TO BE RECOGNIZED Commendations are expected for officers involved in Tuesday's high-risk takedown of a suspect accused in the shooting a city man near a busy intersection. Windsor police Chief Glenn Stannard and Deputy Chief Roger Mortimore met Wednesday with officers of two platoons involved in the quick arrest of David Thibert, 20, at a Lakeshore gas bar. Executed by regular patrol and traffic officers, the arrest went off smoothly. "They did a very, very good job," said Stannard. "It was a good ending to an extremely bad situation." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:53:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: LE PARLEMENT A ENCORE =C9T=C9 TROMP=C9 AU SUJET DU REGISTR E DES ARMES =C0 FEU http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/guns110fr.htm Communiqu=E9 - 30 janvier=20 2004 DE NOUVEAUX DOCUMENTS PROUVENT QUE LE PARLEMENT A ENCORE =C9T=C9 TROMP=C9 AU SUJET DU REGISTRE DES ARMES =C0 FEU =AB Des rapports prouvent que l'enregistrement des armes =E0 feu N'A PAS =E9= t=E9=20 men=E9 =E0 bien, comme on a tent=E9 de le faire croire au Parlement =BB Yorkton - Aujourd'hui, Garry Breitkreuz, porte-parole de l'opposition=20 officielle en mati=E8re d'armes =E0 feu et de droits de propri=E9t=E9, a= rendu=20 publiques des statistiques =E9manant du Centre canadien des armes =E0 feu=20 (CCAF) qui d=E9montrent que les rapports faits par le gouvernement au=20 Parlement sont tr=E8s trompeurs. =AB Le rapport d'octobre dernier du= ministre=20 de la Justice au Parlement donnait =E0 penser que la phase de=20 l'enregistrement avait =E9t=E9 men=E9e =E0 bien. Rien dans le document ne= tendait =E0=20 dissiper cette fausse impression. Le Rapport sur le rendement aurait du=20 dire la v=E9rit=E9 aux d=E9put=E9s, comme les ministres l'ont promis =E0= maintes=20 reprises. Au lieu de cela, ils ont continu=E9 =E0 d=E9guiser les faits =BB,= a=20 d=E9clar=E9 M. Breitkreuz. Pourquoi ne trouve-t-on pas les donn=E9es suivantes dans les rapports du=20 gouvernement au Parlement sur le Programme des armes =E0 feu? =B7 Nombre de d=E9tenteurs d'un permis d'armes =E0 feu valide qui n'ont= encore=20 rien enregistr=E9 =3D 414 283. =B7 Nombre de propri=E9taires qui doivent r=E9enregistrer leurs armes de= poing ou=20 s'en d=E9barrasser =3D 318 846. =B7 Nombre d'armes =E0 feu qui ne sont pas encore enregistr=E9es =3D 1 100= 000=20 (estimations du gouv.). =B7 Nombre d'armes de poing qui doivent encore =EAtre r=E9enregistr=E9es =3D= 625 829. =B7 Le CCAF avoue ne pas tenir de statistiques sur les 288 688 armes =E0 feu= =20 apport=E9es au Canada par des visiteurs. =B7 Le non-respect des r=E8gles est si grave que le CCAF s'est dot=E9 d'une= =AB=20 strat=E9gie et d'un programme nationaux de mise en conformit=E9 =BB. =AB Tous ces d=E9tails importants ont =E9t=E9 omis dans les rapports du=20 gouvernement au Parlement, a d=E9clar=E9 M. Breitkreuz. Le gouvernement n'a= pas=20 fait =E9tat de ces renseignements essentiels dans le Budget des d=E9penses= =20 d=E9pos=E9 le 27 mars dernier, lorsqu'il a pri=E9 les d=E9put=E9s= d'attribuer 113=20 millions de dollars suppl=E9mentaires au Programme des armes =E0 feu. Et ces= =20 statistiques ne sont pas cit=E9es dans le Rapport sur le rendement= concernant=20 le Programme des armes =E0 feu d=E9pos=E9 au Parlement de 31 octobre= dernier. =BB=20 Tout le monde devrait se demander : qu'est ce que le gouvernement cache=20 d'autre? =AB Le moment est venu d'exiger du gouvernement qu'il mette cartes sur table= =20 =E0 propos du dossier des armes =E0 feu. Je soul=E8verai une question de=20 privil=E8ge =E0 10 h mardi prochain. Il faut mettre un terme =E0 ces=20 dissimulations constantes qui font outrage au Parlement! =BB a-t-il ajout=E9= . - -30- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:53:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CFC's NATIONAL COMPLIANCE STRATEGY & PROGRAM CANADA FIREARMS CENTRE'S NATIONAL COMPLIANCE STRATEGY & PROGRAM http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/ComplianceStrategyandProgram2004-01-22.pdf NUMBER OF GUNS REGISTERED & UNREGISTERED AS OF JANUARY 8, 2004 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/FirearmsRegistered-2004-01-08.xls ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:53:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: NEW DOCUMENTS PROVE PARLIAMENT STILL BEING MISLED ON GUN REGISTRY http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/guns110.htm NEWS RELEASE - January 30, 2004 NEW DOCUMENTS PROVE PARLIAMENT STILL BEING MISLED ON GUN REGISTRY "Reports prove that gun registration was NOT successfully completed as=20 Parliament was led to believe." Yorkton - Today, Garry Breitkreuz, Official Opposition Critic for Firearms= =20 and Property Rights, released statistics from the Canada Firearms Centre=20 (CFC) that prove the government's reports to Parliament have been very=20 misleading. "The Justice Minister's report to Parliament last October left= =20 the impression that the registration phase of the program had been=20 successfully completed. Nowhere in the report was this false impression=20 clarified. The Performance Report should have told MPs the truth as the=20 government Ministers repeatedly promised. Instead they continued the=20 cover-up," exclaimed Breitkreuz. Why were these facts left out of the government's reports to Parliament on= =20 the firearms program? =B7 Total number of valid firearm license holders that still haven't=20 registered a gun =3D 414,283. =B7 Total number of gun owners that still have to re-register or dispose of= =20 their handguns =3D 318,846. =B7 Total number of firearms that still have to be registered =3D 1,100,000= =20 (based on gov't estimates). =B7 Total number of handguns that still have to be re-registered =3D= 625,829. =B7 The CFC admitted they do not collect statistics on the 288,688 guns=20 brought into Canada by visitors. =B7 Non-compliance is so bad that the CFC developed a "National Compliance= =20 Strategy & Program". "All of these important details were left out of the government's reports=20 to Parliament," reported Breitkreuz. "The government failed to report this= =20 vital information in the Estimates tabled last March 27th when the=20 government requested MPs to vote on another $113 million for the firearms=20 program. And these statistics weren't in the Minister's Performance Report= =20 on the Firearms Program tabled in Parliament last October 31st." It should= =20 make everyone wonder: What else are they hiding?" "It's time to force the government to come clean on the firearms file,"=20 demanded Breitkreuz. "I'll be rising on a Question of Privilege next=20 Tuesday at 10 AM. "This continual cover-up and contempt of Parliament has=20 to stop!" - -30- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:25:24 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: Women need access to Protection, > Gun control is putting women at risk, says the head of an anti-gun control > group. "Why can't we protect ourselves?" said Tracey Kleim, the Canadian > director of the Women Against Gun Control. Very good article. Comments from my wife at breakfast regarding Ms Kleim: "Very rational, considered, and well stated ideas". As for balance, Ms Cukier should read another article in this morning's StarPhoenix (pg 3): "Attacks concern U of S students," regrading "two recent sexual asaults on campus ... it is clear the University failed to provide a safe learning place." Sincerely, Eduardo http://www.cufoa.ca "Never doubt that a small group of committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:32:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Attacks concern U of S students PUBLICATION: The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) DATE: 2004.01.30 EDITION: Final SECTION: Third Page PAGE: A3 BYLINE: Shannon Boklaschuk SOURCE: The StarPhoenix - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attacks concern U of S students - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A number of University of Saskatchewan students expressed concerns about their safety during a public forum Thursday, held in the wake of two recent sexual assaults on campus. "It is very clear the university failed to provide a safe learning place for the students," one female student said. "I am so angry," added another. Dozens of people gathered for the emotional two-hour forum, which was co-sponsored by the University of Saskatchewan Students' Union (USSU) and the Coalition Against Sexual Assault (CASA). It was held to offer members of the university community a chance to express their concerns, as well their suggestions for improving security on campus. Some students expressed anger at the university's handling of the issue, calling for increased safety measures and even for an apology from university president Peter MacKinnon. Others offered solutions for change, from hiring people to conduct self-defence seminars to examining the systemic causes of violence against women and developing a mandatory gender relations seminar for first-year students. At least one individual said the university should tell students and staff about all incidents of assault and sexual assault on campus. Others stressed that should be done in a timely manner. "There is certainly a feeling on and off the campus of great anger about this," said Caitlin Stickney, a second-year U of S student, following the forum. "I don't know if anything would actually make me feel much better at this point. I would have liked to see a much more open apology." On Nov. 28, 2003, a 22-year-old woman was sexually assaulted in a women's washroom in the Arts Building, between 10:30 and 11 p.m. During the brutal attack, her fingernails were ripped off, and she suffered a broken arm, marks on her neck and vaginal bleeding. Last summer, an 18-year-old woman was attacked in broad daylight at the Little Stone School House, just metres away from College Drive. A suspect has been arrested and is awaiting trial. The victim of the most recent attack attended Thursday's forum, forming part of a panel that addressed the crowd. "Are we not supposed to feel safe going to the bathroom? Are we not supposed to feel safe at our place of employment?," she asked. Hundreds of people have signed a petition asking for the university to take action following the two random, high-profile sexual assaults. Since the Nov. 28 attack, the U of S has stepped up foot patrols by security services special constables. And earlier this week, the university announced an external review of safety and security measures will be conducted. Conducted by Calgary-based consultants, the review is expected to last the month of February. In an interview following the forum, the victim of the Nov. 28 attack, a fifth-year student, said she's pleased it will take place. "It's definitely a first step, and we need to see what shape it takes," she said. Janice Lavoie, who is in charge of university safety, came under fire at the forum. She told the students that measures are being taken to improve lighting in washrooms, and that "incidents of this nature have been extremely rare." While the university is "committed to providing as safe an environment as possible," Lavoie pointed out there is no iron-clad guarantee. "We cannot ensure 100 per cent safety here. It is open to the public. We are not a gated community." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:53:08 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #881 1) Women in abusive relationships may make the situation worse if they were to pull a gun, suggests Amy Stensrud of the Provincial Association of Transition Houses of Saskatchewan, an umbrella organization that represents most emergency shelters for women in the province. "If they had their own gun, it could just as easily be used against them," she said. Can these people not see the hypocrisy? If an attacker can supposedly take my gun and shoot me with it, then why can't I do the same? By Strensrud's reasoning, all one has to do when faced with an armed attacker is take their gun and shoot them with it. So a gun is too dangerous to have, but too useless to use as a weapon for defense. 2) There is growing speculation that Liberal MPs may not approve the estimates for spending on the controversial gun-registry program. Although the Martin government is reviewing the registry, starving it of cash would effectively kill the program. Mr. Gallaway said that MPs had tried to do this last year, but that Mr. Chretien threatened to expel from caucus any Liberal MP who voted against the estimates. "Suffice it to say that more than a year ago there was a sufficient number of MPs to deny it any further money, thereby ending a law which was premised on deceit and falsehoods." Way to go , Mr. Galloway! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:56:23 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Advertisement for Access to Firearms Dear Paul, Re: Advertisement for Access to Firearms I just sent the same copy by Fax (but I never trust my fax machine). We would like for you to consider making the trip down for this May Day Seminar. We have invited Jane Gaffin to speak at the Seminar as we are looking for a good writer to "tell this story" when the dust settles. If you have opportunity to see Ms Gaffin, please encourage her to accept our invitation. Sincerely, Eduardo http://www.cufoa.ca "Never doubt that a small group of committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead *************** Seminar Responding to the Firearms Act Saturday 01 May 2004 Saskatoon Saskatoon Inn 9 a.m. to 10 p.m. Tickets: $75.xx Keynote speaker Dr Gary Mauser Professor in the Faculty of Business Administration Simon Frazer University Noted author of The Failed Experiment Gun Control in Canada, Australia, England and Wales For more information, please contact: Ed Hudson, Saskatchewan Joe Gingrich, Saskatchewan 1-306-242-2379 1-306-276-215 edwardhudson@shaw.ca whitefox@sk.sympatico.ca Bruce Montague, Ontario Al Muir, Nova Scotia 1-807-937-2197 1-902-752-7877 bmontague@mail.drytel.net allister.muir@ns.sympatico.ca Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association 402 Skeena Crt Saskatoon Saskatchewan S7K 4H2 1-306-242-2379 1-306-249-2359 fax edwardhudson@shaw.ca www.cufoa.ca ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #882 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:moderator@hitchen.org List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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