From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #92 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, April 23 2004 Volume 07 : Number 092 In this issue: Re: PAL and photo Re: Liberals will announce Re: 10th Anniversary An Anniversay Soliloquy Re: Bill to abolish the use of lead in fishing tackle High-profile Quebec Liberal wants charges laid My letter to the CBC Re: NUMBER OF FIREARMS DESTROYED? RCMP said, CFC said USA - Women's Groups Headed for Showdown Over Guns; Re: Government keeps quiet about Canada's shame Martin's office tried to influence communications contracts, says Election Bag Signs Re: Election Bag Signs Woman hurt in barrage of bullets My letter to the Toronto Sun April 22, 2004 - Firearms Act & Regulations: Coming Into Force Bowling for Columbine Rebuttal Nine arrested for illicit TV hardware Hunter guilty in death ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:32:11 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: PAL and photo On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Jim Powlesland wrote: > I'll have a POL and a PAL. I'll have to check them for photos at > home tonight. I was under the impression my PAL was photo-less. I checked last night and both have photos. So I was mistaken. Sorry about that. I must have forgot to take my meds the other day... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:32:43 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: Liberals will announce On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Mark L Horstead wrote: > > Rumor: > > > > "the Liberals will announce later this week whatever they intend > > to do with the firearms program." > > Given their history of doing remarkably little of what they say, > this may well be meaningless. It may be a political ploy in anticipation of a spring election. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:36:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim S." Subject: Re: 10th Anniversary Bruce - > Many have come and gone since that day. Some were consumed by overwork, > and crashed like Icarus, reaching for the Sun. Some have passed on to the > fate that awaits us all. They deserve our thanks for their contributions, > for good or ill. Their presence is missed, and we wish them well. Indeed. There is much that comes to mind, in addition to the memories of those that were casualties of the fight against C-68. While we are still facing the monstrosity of the Firearms Act, and all that it implies, the good news is that those who would trod on our rights have had to pay for their arrogance and hubris with the loss of confidence of the average Canadian voter. While it is not enough, it will do for now. In the meantime, I am reminded again of those who are not still actively with us in this campaign. " I'll go with you then, Since you must play this game of ghosts. At listening-posts We'll peer across dim craters; joke with jaded men Whose names we've long forgotten. (Stoop low there; it's the place The Sniper enfilades.) Round the next bay you'll meet A drenched platoon-commander; chilled, he drums his feet On squelching duck-boards; winds his watch; turns his head, And shows you how you looked, - your ten-years-vanished face, Hoping the war will end next week... What's that you said?" - - March, 1926, from "To One Who Was With Me In The War" Siegfriend Sasson Jim Szpajcher St. Paul, AB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:49:18 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: An Anniversay Soliloquy Henry V, Act IV, Scene III: Westmoreland: O that we now had here but one ten thousand of those men in England that do no work to-day! Henry V: What's he that wishes so? My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin; If we are mark'd to die, we are enow To do our country loss; and if to live, The fewer men, the greater share of honour. No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England. Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host, That he which hath no stomach to this fight, Let him depart; his passport shall be made And crowns for convoy put into his purse: We would not die in that man's company That fears his fellowship to die with us. This day is called the feast of Crispian: He that outlives this day, and comes safe home, Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named, And rouse him at the name of Crispian. He that shall live this day, and see old age, Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours, And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:' Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars. And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.' Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages What feats he did that day: then shall our names. Familiar in his mouth as household words Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter, Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester, Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd. This story shall the good man teach his son; And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by, >From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remember'd; We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition: And gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:16:33 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: Bill to abolish the use of lead in fishing tackle On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Winram wrote: > Can anybody tell me the specific Bill # and the exact title if > possible? There isn't a bill yet. Rather the feds are supposed to be in the "consultive" stage of the proposed ban although they don't appear to be listening to anyone. See http://www.ec.gc.ca/press/2004/040217_n_e.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:09:37 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: High-profile Quebec Liberal wants charges laid http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/04/22/canada/lapierre040422 High-profile Quebec Liberal wants charges laid Last Updated Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:46:03 MONTREAL - Prime Minister Paul Martin's new Quebec lieutenant is calling for the police to lay criminal charges in the sponsorship affair, saying the move would blunt the anger of Quebec voters leading up to the expected federal election. Jean Lapierre, a former radio and TV host who has been recruited to run for the Martin Liberals, said people want to know that someone is paying for the alleged wrongdoing that saw up to $100 million squandered on fees paid to Liberal-linked communications agencies in Quebec. If that "someone" is a highly placed Liberal, so be it, Lapierre said. "These decisions were not made by the grace of the Holy Trinity," he told Radio-Canada earlier this week. "No one can say this happened all by itself." Lapierre's comments on the need for quick charges under the Criminal Code or the Financial Administration Act were reported on a key day in the effort to investigate the sponsorship scandal. Retired bureaucrat Chuck Guité, who ran the federal government office responsible for handling sponsorship funds, began testifying at the House of Commons public accounts committee on Thursday morning. Written by CBC News Online staff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:13:32 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the CBC Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: High-profile Quebec Liberal wants charges laid Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:11:28 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: letters@cbc.ca Does the arrogance of the Federal Liberal Party know no bounds? Would they now seek to subvert the course of justice to suit their own petty ends? In making this outrageous statement, Jean Lapierre has cast a shadow on this investigation, and his Party. Since the Commissioner of the RCMP is in fact a political appointee, how can we know for sure that any charges laid before an election is called are bona fide, and not just acceding to the desires of their political masters? It would seem that the Liberals will stop at nothing to get re-elected. This is politics most foul. Shame on them! Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:51:25 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: Re: NUMBER OF FIREARMS DESTROYED? RCMP said, CFC said Robert LaCasse wrote: > The actual number 49,447 for December 1, 1998 to present may have some > accuracy, but the actual destruction of that many firearms is not ever going to > be a fact. > > Did they destroy all of P. Kearns and numerous other firearms shops in > gungrabs. Not very likely, they were generally all "procured", and sold off > internally to police agency bidders, all in pecking order of course. This is drivel. There are numerous people who have worked in law enforcement on this email list. Any of them can tell you that anything seized has an audit trail a mile long. They can also tell you that "losing" seized items can be easily worth your job. I know of two guys who lost their job over drinking a six pack after work that they had seized and then subsequently replacing it with the same brand the next day. Furthermore, law enforcement agencies are not particularly interested in old Moison Nagants, Davis shotguns, .25 ACP pocket pistols - particularly when the government is buying them all those cool MP5's, Sig and Walther service handguns, Glocks, etc. Oh... except for the law enforcement agencies cooperating with the aliens and doing political assasinations of course - they use them as throwaways. Of course there are individual cops who steal firearms and other seized property. Every large employer has problems with thieves. The fact that thieves exist, however, does not mean that is policy or how things are done. Send in the black helicopters... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:18:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: USA - Women's Groups Headed for Showdown Over Guns; U.S. Newswire Press Releases Women's Groups Headed for Showdown Over Guns; S.A.F.E.R. Event to Support Gun Rights Wed Apr 21, 8:48 AM ET http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usnw/20040421/pl_usnw/women_s_groups_headed_for_showdown_over_guns__s_a_f_e_r__event_to_support_gun_rights105_xml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:23:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Paul Ryan" Subject: Re: Government keeps quiet about Canada's shame > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:12:24 -0600 (CST) > From: DavidM > Subject: Re: Government keeps quiet about Canada's shame > > I received the following from a friend to whom I forwarded the Calgary > Herald article. > > Throws a different light on the cull doesn't it? > I think it's worth pointing out that this is propaganda of the first order. > Seals are not skinned alive. > > John Dyer. My Grandfather has been to the Ice. I remember him telling me “we weren’t allowed to play cards until the first white coat was taken”. There were three boats blessed at the Warf on the day they left. Full crew, dollar signs in their eyes, good money is coming and flipper pie. My Grandfather signed on as a steward. He got wages (and a share). Had he known any of the old boys he probably could have gotten out on the Ice (no wages much bigger share). They went north, up the east coast of Newfoundland for quite some time and turned south at its northern most tip. NO CARDS. Can you imagine hanging around in the water looking for a good spot to freeze your wooden Boat into the ice pack that will take you from Labrador to Nova Scotia and not allowed to play cards? No satellite navigation, no cell phones, and no environmentalists, a sextant and dead reckoning were probably the order of the day. The ice crushed one boat that season but my grand father made it back with a pocket full of cash and everybody had flipper pie. 50 years later my girlfriend at that time is a volunteer for the St. John’s SPCA. An organizer for Greenpeace attended the workplace and tried to justify their actions by claiming that Greenpeace gets more revenue from the Seal Hunt than any other Media Event, and that they use that money to save whales. From what I heard Greenpeace didn’t get a donation that day. TODAY Canada’s desire to please the Europeans has created a situation where foreign countries are free to fish in Canadian waters that are unprotected by it’s Military, and comforted in the knowledge that the Department of Fisheries and Oceans is busy chasing locals trying to put in enough fish for the winter. The lands men usually use firearms. The guys on the ice can do better with clubs. The environmentalists make a living with the media. Flipper pie for everybody! Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:06:51 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Martin's office tried to influence communications contracts, says Martin's office tried to influence communications contracts, says Guité Canadian Press (vancouver sun) April 22, 2004 OTTAWA -- Paul Martin's office tried to influence the awarding of federal communications contracts to a firm linked to his leadership bid, says the man at the centre of the sponsorship scandal. Retired bureaucrat Chuck Guite told a parliamentary committee Thursday that while former prime minister Jean Chretien and ex-public works minister Alfonso Gagliano never interfered with picking communications firms, Martin's office did. "Mr. Martin personally, no. His office, yes - and on many occasions," Guite said. "There were many contracts with a local company . . . Earnscliffe. And I had interference from a minister's office - the Finance Department, which was Mr. Martin's office at the time." Guite's testimony is pivotal because its affect on public opinion in regard to the scandal could decide whether Martin calls an election this spring. Guite also said that in one case in the 1990s, Terrie O'Leary, Martin's former chief of staff, requested that specific agencies be added to a list of companies bidding for a communications contract. "I remember one time, either on the telephone or in person with (O'Leary), her comment was, and I quote, `Well, Paul would prefer....' " "(They) tried influencing the decision. I think that if someone today would ask through access to information for all the contracts awarded to that company, you would have some surprises. "I think there was one other minister who tried interfering on behalf of the same company - Mr. Goodale. I remember it very, very well because it became a hot issue. "Never should a minister's office or his team make contact with the people - the civil servants - who produce the contracts." While implicating Martin's office, Guite said he was never pressured by Gagliano, his old boss, or by Chretien on selecting firms. But he said his Liberal political masters did play a role in deciding which sponsorship events would be funded and intervened to ensure money was spread evenly among the ad agencies selected by the Public Works Department to do the work. © Canadian Press ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:12:27 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Election Bag Signs With the election call looming, I thought it might be useful to see if anyone has, or can make, some election bag-type signs of the old "Remember C-68 When You Vote" or some similar sentiment. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:51:45 -0600 (CST) From: Boris Gimbarzevsky Subject: Re: Election Bag Signs Good point Bruce. I still have about 20-30 of the "Remember C-68 when you vote" bag signs and a stack of stickers with the same message, but I'm saving these for personal election displays. I used to order these from the NFA but is the NFA organized enough to produce and sell signs? I'm sure that there are other groups that can whip up some bag signs on short notice. I'm ready to donate $100 towards the cost of signs and make most of these signs available to people who want to put them up. Boris Gimbarzevsky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:13:52 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Woman hurt in barrage of bullets http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/04/22/431827.html Thu, April 22, 2004 Woman hurt in barrage of bullets By JONATHAN JENKINS, TORONTO SUN A WOMAN had just walked in to order some food at a North York sandwich shop when she was hit by a spray of gunfire witnesses believe was meant for someone else. "She was just on the floor saying 'Oh God, oh God, oh God,' " Carlos Kaker, 24, said. "There was blood coming out of her chest and her shoulder." Kaker had just sat down in front of the California Sandwich near Sheppard Ave. and Chesswood Blvd. around 10:30 p.m. last night when the window in front of him shattered from a barrage of bullets. "It seemed like 20 shots," Kaker said. "I could see the bullets hitting the wall, they went right by my head. "I feel lucky to be alive." While he was sitting down and able to dive to the floor when the shots flew in, the woman who was hit was standing by the counter with her back to the gunfire. Kaker said he never saw who fired the shots. The woman was taken to Sunnybrook in serious condition, police said. The gunman was in a van that drove by the restaurant and opened fire, they said. Two other witnesses said they believe the gunman was shooting at a group of people standing in front of the store. "I heard eight or nine shots," one man said. "Three or four guys hit the ground." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:19:43 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Toronto Sun Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Woman hurt in barrage of bullets Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:09:55 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: Editor - Toronto Sun Another week of violence, and yet more bodies of innocent people litter the streets. Why isn't the Federal Liberal Government's much vaunted Firearms Act stopping this senseless slaughter? It was all supposed to be about "public safety", wasn't it? It was supposed to keep guns out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them, wasn't it? Well, it doesn't seem to be doing the job. Not by half. Just think of how many police officers could have been patrolling our streets, and investigating these crimes, for the billion dollars wasted so far on this useless, nay, criminal, boondoggle. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:26:55 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: April 22, 2004 - Firearms Act & Regulations: Coming Into Force Information From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca April 22, 2004 - Firearms Act & Regulations: Coming Into Force Information http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/April222004-FirearmsAct&Regulations.doc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:37:12 -0600 (CST) From: Phil Cottrell Subject: Bowling for Columbine Rebuttal From: http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=780 Published by : Mike lies Friday 23rd April 2004 In the field of mockumentary filmmaking, there are two giants. Rob Reiner created the genre with his film This is Spinal Tap. Michael Moore has taken the genre to an entirely different level, with Bowling for Columbine. [Moderator's Note: This essay, while excellent, at 33KB is far too large for inclusion in the CFD. It is, however, well worth the read, and I urge everyone to do so at the link provided. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:45:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Nine arrested for illicit TV hardware PUBLICATION: Montreal Gazette DATE: 2004.04.23 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PNAME: Montreal PAGE: A7 COLUMN: Fast Track SOURCE: The Gazette - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nine arrested for illicit TV hardware - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mounties in Quebec City and Montreal yesterday arrested nine people accused of selling equipment used to illegally receive television satellite signals. Eight men and one woman, all 25 to 45 years old, will receive summonses to appear in court. Eight search warrants were executed, with police seizing software, Bell ExpressVu access cards, computers and other equipment, valued at $175,000. Police also seized seven vehicles, drugs, firearms and more than $50,000. The RCMP plan a press conference about the raids in Quebec City this morning. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:48:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Hunter guilty in death PUBLICATION WINNIPEG FREE PRESS DATE : FRI APR.23,2004 PAGE : A3 CLASS : City EDITION : - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hunter guilty in death Shot man he thought was deer; mandatory sentence at least 4 years - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike McIntyre A Manitoba hunter who accidentally shot and killed a man -- believing him to be a deer -- will serve a mandatory prison sentence after being convicted yesterday of criminal negligence causing death. Dozens of family, friends and supporters of the slain man, Arden Miller, burst into applause as sheriff's officers took John Douglas Mark away in handcuffs. Mark, 56, will be sentenced next Tuesday. The married father of four, who has no prior criminal record, was taken into custody because he must be sentenced to at least four years behind bars as the conviction involved a firearm. "I've waited two and a half years to see him in handcuffs," an emotional Barry Carpenter, Miller's best friend, said outside court. Carpenter said he will never erase the memory of finding Miller bleeding profusely while they hunted together just north of Lundar in November 2001. He rushed his friend to hospital, where he was pronounced dead. Miller, 44, had been hit in the head with a single high-powered rifle shot as he drove an all-terrain vehicle on his family's private property, staking out deer. He is survived by his wife and six children. Mark, who also lives in the area, had fired the shot from the highway about 225 metres away, seconds after reportedly seeing a deer running through the field. Hunting from the road is illegal, and Mark didn't have permission to hunt on Miller's private property. Mark admitted months later to police that he took his eyes off the deer to back up his truck, then fired at an "object." Mark and a fellow hunter, Ray Jeffery, fled the scene without stopping to see what he'd hit. Queen's Bench Justice Wallace Darichuk said yesterday people who hunt and use firearms carry a great responsibility, which Mark clearly violated. "A reasonable, careful person wouldn't discharge a firearm unless and until the object was properly identified," said Darichuk. "He did not see what he should have seen before discharging his rifle." Darichuk said a few extra seconds of care would have left Mark with "no doubt at all the object was a human being." Mark stayed silent for two months, despite knowing Miller had died from his bullet. Police were pleading with members of the community for information. RCMP eventually linked Mark to the shooting and charged him, but were never able to recover his gun. Mark's friend and fellow hunter, Ray Jeffery, told court this week Mark said, "I think I'm up for manslaughter" shortly after firing his gun. Mark also mentioned he might be in trouble and urged Jeffery to "keep this between ourselves," court was told. Defence lawyer Greg Brodsky tried to shift some of the blame onto the victim, saying Miller's orange safety vest wasn't bright enough and that visibility was poor because it was dusk. He also noted Miller wasn't wearing an orange hat, and tried unsuccessfully to get Mark's statement to police thrown out on the grounds it was illegally obtained. In closing arguments yesterday morning, Brodsky urged Darichuk to find his client not guilty in the tragic accident but to recommend better safety guidelines for hunters. Crown attorney Brian Wilford took exception to Brodsky's remarks. "This is not an inquest. This isn't about recommendations. The issue here is at the time he pulled the trigger, did he show wanton or reckless disregard for the safety of others," said Wilford. "He knew death would ensure by pulling the trigger, and he was under a duty to use the weapon with the requisite standard of care. And he stands convicted by his own mouth when he said he took a shot at an object." Wilford also had harsh words for Jeffery. Jeffery changed portions of his story under cross-examination from Brodsky, including agreeing with a suggestion Mark may have used the term "deerslaughter" instead of manslaughter. "He proved to be lying to protect his friend John Mark," said Wilford. mike.mcintyre@freepress.mb.ca ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #92 ********************************* Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:moderator@hitchen.org List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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