From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #108 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, April 30 2004 Volume 07 : Number 108 In this issue: Canadian Firearms Safety Course Video $5.00 GERALD KEDDY, MP: "there is no upside to an invasion of privacy Re: Editor (Tough to vote against someone like that) Letter re Liberal "Pride" That CF-18 intercept Red Tories said to be flocking to Liberals My letter to the Vancouver Sun ONTARIO GOVERNMENT SIGNS PROTOCOL WITH POLICE ABOUT BEARS Geographic limits on A.T.T.s RE: Geographic limits on A.T.T.s Re: Geographic limits on A.T.T.s RE: Geographic limits on A.T.T.s A.T.T.s Voluntary gun registry idea irks MPs: Letter: Firearms registry is thinking ahead -- way ahead: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:29:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Canadian Firearms Safety Course Video $5.00 BREITKREUZ ACCESS TO INFORMATION REQUEST TO CFC - MARCH 17, 2004 "Please provide a copy of the Canadian Firearms Safety Course video used by CFSC Instructors." CANADIAN FIREARMS CENTRE RESPONSE - APRIL 21, 2004 "We are pleased to enclose a copy of the Canadian Firearms Safety Course Video used by CFSC Instructors. All Canadian Firearm Safety Course materials as well as the "Aiming for Safety" logo and word mark are copyrighted to the Department of Justice Canada." ACCESS TO INFORMATION REQUEST FORM: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/tbsf-fsct/dwnld/350-57_e.pdf INSTRUCTIONS FOR COMPLETING ATI FORMS: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/tbsf-fsct/350-57_e.asp ADDRESS TO SEND COMPLETED FORMS: Departmental Co-ordinator Access to Information and Privacy Office Canada Firearms Centre 10th Floor, 50 O'Connor Street Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1M6 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:30:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: GERALD KEDDY, MP: "there is no upside to an invasion of privacy House of Commons Debates Thursday, April 29, 2004 QUESTION PERIOD Unedited copy - not official until printed in Hansard * * * Mr. Gerald Keddy (South Shore, CPC): Mr. Speaker, we have heard Liberal promises before. At one point this government promised that the gun registry would only cost $85 million. Today the cost has spiraled to more than $1.4 billion, perhaps as much as $2 billion. Now we learn that the government is promising facial biometric information on passports for a bargain, a mere $10 million. This involved a much more complicated technology than a simple gun registry database. Why are the Liberals deliberately misleading Canadians on this $10 million database? Hon. Albina Guarnieri (Associate Minister of National Defence and Minister of State (Civil Preparedness), Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the government recognizes the challenges associated with the gun registry. As I mentioned at the outset, we are analyzing the challenges that the gun registry poses. I can assure the hon. member that once our recommendations are finalized, the benefits will far outweigh the costs. With respect to the passport issue, my hon. colleague has-- The Speaker: The hon. member for South Shore. * * * Mr. Gerald Keddy (South Shore, CPC): Mr. Speaker, there is no upside to an invasion of privacy to Canadian citizens. Liberals want us to believe that Canada's new national security policy will cost $700 million. Again, the federal gun registry cost twice as much and has delivered nothing. So for the price of the gun registry we could already have two national security policies. Does the Deputy Prime Minister believe that all of Canada's security problems can be solved for half the cost of the gun registry, or was the gun registry money simply wasted? ¸ (1440) Hon. Ralph Goodale (Minister of Finance, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, once again the hon. gentleman is way off base. The Deputy Prime Minister, in releasing the security policy earlier this week, indicated that the government was taking a number of steps forward in advancing the safety and security of Canadians. We have provided the funding for that in the order of $700 million. I am very pleased to note that most of the experts in this field, apart from those who would like to be experts in the opposition, have said indeed this policy is directly on track. * * * ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:33:06 -0600 (CST) From: sparkplug Subject: Re: Editor (Tough to vote against someone like that) Howdy; As a 30+ year resident of Algoma Manitoulin I can assure you Brent St Denis is as well trained as any of the other lieberal seals as witnessed by his caucus appointments. Mr Roy should give his head a shake. Rick in Bruce Mines CIEUK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:33:39 -0600 (CST) From: awpaob@telus.net Subject: Letter re Liberal "Pride" Sent today to The Hamilton Spectator, Thursday, April 29, 2004 Attn Editor House of Commons Debates Wednesday, April 28, 2004 STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS "In part" "Ms. Paddy Torsney (Burlington, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, gun control is central to this government's strategy to protect all Canadians, especially women and children, from violent crime. I am proud that this Liberal government is committed to continuing to protect Canadian women and children." Dear Madam, you are alleged to have made the above statement in the house. Another View If a presumably intelligent person is elected as an M.P. to legislate and serve Canada in the best manner possible why would he or she then proceed to spend between $1 to $2 billion dollars on an anti-gun campaign to prevent 234 gun deaths per year while ignoring the other enormous causes of fatalities? An example Breast cancer: An estimated 19,200 Canadian women will be diagnosed with breast cancer and about 5,500 will die of the disease in 2000. Apparently our M.P's believe $29 million over 5 years is sufficient funding for Breast Cancer and that lives lost by cancer are of no consequence, but pursuing their blind assault on gun registration is of the utmost importance. We ask "WHY". All Canadians should vehemently oppose this gross waste of taxpayer money and demand Bill C68 Firearms act be rescinded and the funds directed into cancer research. Mr Mrs A W Parsons Edmonton Alberta "FREEDOM" For those who Fought, Bled and Died For It " FREEDOM " has a FLAVOR THE PROTECTED will Never Know or Savor. Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:19:51 -0600 (CST) From: russelles Subject: That CF-18 intercept Hello: I called Hawnski's office today. The intercept was believable Happy Maple Flag Russell in Alberta For you non-believers please contact Gordon Hitchen. For you guys that live close to Ottawa, call Peter Holby at 613- 992-9560 and see what you can get under the privacy FOIP stuff on this issue. Peter handles DND FOIP data. Peter is a government employee and, please be nice to him. He is damn good on mil access to information stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:24:00 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Red Tories said to be flocking to Liberals Red Tories said to be flocking to Liberals Organizers say moderates fear a swing to the right by Harper Anne Dawson and Sean Gordon CanWest News Service vancouver sun April 29, 2004 OTTAWA -- As a federal election call looms, Liberal insiders say moderate or "Red" Tories are joining their party in droves because of fears the new Conservative party is in the midst of a hard- right turn under Stephen Harper. Senior Liberals claim they have already benefited from former prime minister Joe Clark's weekend condemnation of Harper and his call to Canadians to support Prime Minister Paul Martin in the next election, whom he referred to as "the devil we know." "It's very significant. We're going through a period of very important political realignment in Canada. You have the demise of a political party that occupied a very large piece of real estate in the Canadian political spectrum for a long long time and it's been replaced by a party which ... is not the same party," said a top Liberal official. Liberals point to the defection of Tory MPs Scott Brison, John Herron and Keith Martin, the comment from Clark -- who also called Harper "dangerous" -- and to recent comments by former Ontario Tory MPP Gary Carr slamming the Tories' current leadership for dubbing Clark a "traitor." "There's a lot of people, you can call them Red Tories, you can call them Progressive Conservatives, who are making a judgment about what their new political home might be," said the Liberal insider. Though Harper and other officials within the Conservative party vigorously deny that's the case, dissenters claim Harper's team has done desperately little to broaden the base of the party and integrate former Progressive Conservatives into his inner circle. Harper brushed aside the Liberal claims and insisted he is drawing on people from "all wings of our party." "We know there were a group of people, Mr. Clark one of them, who didn't join the new party," he said. "I think everyone who has joined the new party is going to be working hard for the election of the party, and I think all the evidence indicates that." But a senior Ontario Tory said few organizers for leadership rivals Belinda Stronach and Tony Clement have been contacted as the party ramps up its election preparations, and Harper really hasn't reached beyond organizers who won him the leadership. Conservative House leader John Reynolds said the Liberal claims are fanciful, but conceded the party has suffered defections in the five weeks since Harper became leader. "This happens in politics," he said. "I would ask any Liberal about (former Chretien aide) Warren Kinsella. He's said he'll never vote for Paul Martin, are you telling me he's not a Liberal? It's politics, and when you have a change in leadership, you get these problems." Reynolds and other MPs and Harper officials, like Quebec lieutenant and former Tory leadership hopeful Michael Fortier, have been contacting long-time PC organizers as election preparations continue. Reynolds, one of Harper's national campaign co-chairs, said the party is set to announce next week that several prominent Tories, including Rod Love, Alberta Premier Ralph Klein's former chief of staff, have signed on to Harper's team. Liberal officials say they have received volunteer offers from die-hard Tories in the London, Ont., area © The Vancouver Sun 2004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:24:28 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Vancouver Sun Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Red Tories said to be flocking to Liberals Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:23:30 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: Editor - Vancouver Sun "Organizers say"; "Liberal insiders say"; "Senior Liberals claim"; "said a top Liberal official"; "Liberals point to"; "said the Liberal insider"; "dissenters claim Harper's team"; "But a senior Ontario Tory said"; "Liberal officials say". Not one of these informed and knowledgeable "sources" was identified by name in print. Not one. I didn't know it was customary to run anonymous speculation as fact. If this isn't rank electioneering on behalf of the Federal Liberal Party, I don't know what is. For shame. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:33:30 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ONTARIO GOVERNMENT SIGNS PROTOCOL WITH POLICE ABOUT BEARS http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/mnr/csb/news/2004/apr26nr_04.html April 26, 2004 ONTARIO GOVERNMENT SIGNS PROTOCOL WITH POLICE ABOUT BEARS Agreement Supported by the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police SAULT STE. MARIE — The Ontario government is making communities in bear country safer and stronger through a new protocol with the Ontario Provincial Police about responding to bear problems, Natural Resources Minister David Ramsay announced today. "I'm very pleased we've reached this agreement clarifying that police will respond to bear problems that pose an immediate public safety threat," said Ramsay. "This will help the public know who to call when dealing with bear problems, and should help ease the minds of people living in bear country." The protocol signed today clarifies roles and responsibilities around responding to human-bear problems. Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) will respond to emergency bear calls and will call the Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) for assistance if necessary. MNR will respond to non-emergency bear calls. The Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police (OACP), which represents municipal police agencies and the OPP, supports the protocol and will encourage member forces to use it as a template to reach agreements with municipal forces. "This is an important community safety issue for many of the communities we serve, particularly in Northern Ontario," said OACP President Chief Ean Algar. "We are pleased that by working with the Ontario government, we have been able to put in place a process that will ensure the safety of Ontarians when dealing with a nuisance bear." "The new protocol will help the OPP improve upon the safety of people who are placed in danger by bears," said OPP Deputy Commissioner Maurice Pilon. "Every bear incident is different and by providing a coordinated approach to assessing each situation and potential response, we can also act in the best interests of our human and bear population." Today's announcement is the next step in the province's Bear Wise program. The key elements of Bear Wise are reporting, response, prevention, and education and awareness. People can call 1-866-514-BEAR (2327) toll-free 24 hours a day, seven days a week during the bear season with non-emergency bear problems. "By strengthening the communities in which we live, we are providing people with a quality of life that is second to none," said Ramsay. Fact sheet: Province Signs Protocol with Police on Response to Human-Bear Conflicts Website: http://bears.mnr.gov.on.ca FOR MORE INFORMATION: Media Contacts: Jolanta Kowalski Communications Services Branch Ministry of Natural Resources (416) 314-2106 Ginette Albert Minister's Office (416) 314-2212 Joe Couto Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police (416) 926-0424 Superintendent Bob Goodall Ontario Provincial Police (705) 329-7586 Members of the Public or Stakeholders are asked to contact: 1-866-514-BEAR (2327) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:14:00 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Geographic limits on A.T.T.s While reading the CILA add in Access to firearms regarding A.T.T.s and geographic limits placed on Authorizations To Transport (A.T.T.s) by firearms officers, the geographic limit being provincial boundaries. Section 63 of the firearms act sets the geographic limits of ALL A.T.T.s issued to "valid throughout Canada". There is no means by either the legislation or the regulations for a Cheif Firearms Officer (C.F.0) to set a geographical limit on an A.T.T. They do so anyway. Just a reminder that any A.T.T. that does not meet the definitions and limits set out by the firearms act is a "nulity", it doesn't exist. Also remember there is no means for the federal government to place a geographic limit on an A.T.T. without changing the wording of the act to allow an Order in Council (O.I.C) to be proclaimed regarding geographic limits on A.T.T.s. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:38:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Pook" Subject: RE: Geographic limits on A.T.T.s 10X - Good post. Reminds me of when I was a new member of the Chase Rod & Gun Club in Chase, BC. I had joined them mainly because I wanted to get my carry permit so I could go back and forth to the range. At that time I was shooting mainly in Salmon Arm, but also wanted something a little closer, and that was Chase. Anyway, there was a meeting where everyone would get their applications and we could fill them out and the RCMP constable assigned to firearms would be at the meeting to accept them and give us any "guidence" he felt we needed. When it came to Geographical Area, I entered "CANADA" He sent it back to me with the instructions to change it to the address of the Chase shooting range. I told him what some old sage from the Richmond Rod & Gun Club once told me: "We have enough restrictions put on us by government - I will not allow any application that puts futher limits on ourselves." My big problem here was that I had a stubborn young RCMP officer and a bunch of old goat club members who had never seen a restricted firearm, nevermind fired one. They couldn't see what all the fuss was. All they were interested in was knocking down the occasional deer or moose. I finally got what I wanted, but it sure took a lot of back and forth with that cop. I still don't understand why they put the one anti-gun cop in the station in charge of the firearms section.... Jim Pook Jim's Fishing Charters Box 326 Tahsis, BC V0P 1X0 www.jimsfishing.com jim@tahsisbc.com 1(888) 617-FISH (3474) Toll Free (250) 934-7665 Local ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:39:04 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Geographic limits on A.T.T.s 10x wrote: > > While reading the CILA add in Access to firearms regarding A.T.T.s and > geographic limits placed on Authorizations To Transport (A.T.T.s) by firearms > officers, the geographic limit being provincial boundaries. Is this document online anywhere, or can it be scanned in for the rest of us? > Section 63 of the firearms act sets the geographic limits of ALL A.T.T.s issued > to "valid throughout Canada". There is no means by either the legislation or > the regulations for a Cheif Firearms Officer (C.F.0) to set a geographical limit > on an A.T.T. They do so anyway. Just a reminder that any A.T.T. that does not > meet the definitions and limits set out by the firearms act is a "nulity", it > doesn't exist. That means that *that* particular document doesn't exist, which means that you can't take your guns *anywhere*... > Also remember there is no means for the federal government to place a geographic > limit on an A.T.T. without changing the wording of the act to allow an Order in > Council (O.I.C) to be proclaimed regarding geographic limits on A.T.T.s. I could be wrong, but I don't think that an OIC can specifically contravene a section of an Act of Parliament. That would require an amendment through another Act of Parliament. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:46:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: RE: Geographic limits on A.T.T.s So, if they have geographic limits, like the provincial boundary, does that mean that the ATT is invalid? Alan Harper alan__harper@cogeco.ca SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:47:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: A.T.T.s >I still don't understand why they put the one anti-gun cop in the >station in charge of the firearms section.... Because they want to ban all firearms, except for government agencies, like the police and military. Alan Harper alan__harper@cogeco.ca SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:51:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Voluntary gun registry idea irks MPs: NOTE: Versions of this article also appeared in the Calgary Herald, Victoria Times Colonist, Edmonton Journal, Vancouver Sun, Winnpeg Free Press, Vancouver Province, Regina Leader Post, Saskatoon Star Phoenix PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2004.04.30 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A4 BYLINE: Tim Naumetz SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Voluntary gun registry idea irks MPs: Grits worried over alleged proposal by Guarnieri to appease western voters - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Liberals may be considering a proposal for voluntary firearms registration as part of the party's effort to appease western voters. Toronto-area Liberal MP Sarmite Bulte said yesterday members of the gun control lobby have told members of Parliament the idea surfaced when Associate Defence Minister Albina Guarnieri met advocates of the gun registry during her three-month review of the Firearms Act. Wendy Cukier, head of the Coalition For Gun Control, alerted MPs about the proposal in a letter outlining her concerns about a series of recommendations that Ms. Guarnieri has reportedly submitted to Anne McLellan, deputy prime minister and minister for public safety. Ms. Bulte and Montreal Liberal MP Marlene Jennings vowed such proposal would meet stiff resistance in the Liberal caucus. "All hell will break loose," said Ms. Jennings. "The overwhelming majority in every single province want compulsory gun registration. They want police to know who has guns and what guns they have." Ms. Jennings added the gun registry, which has cost more than $1 billion to implement over the last 10 years, is vital for police to track illegal firearms that are used in crime. Ms. Bulte said Prime Minister Paul Martin is committed to the Firearms Act. "I think the prime minister has made it absolutely clear that we are not scrapping the gun registry," she said. After becoming prime minister, Mr. Martin said last December scrapping the registry was "not an option," but it was not clear whether he meant continuing with a long-gun registry or maintaining a registry only for handguns. Ms. Guarnieri said when she launched her review that everything was on the table. Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz called the proposal "absurd," saying it is legally impossible to have voluntary registration unless the government amends the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code to eliminate non-compliance offences. "How can the Criminal Code of Canada be something optional, something voluntary?" said Mr. Breitkreuz, who called the idea an "election gimmick." Several thousand gun owners are thought to be in contravention of the registration law, but most provinces have said they will not prosecute violators. In cases where police have laid charges, it has been under the Criminal Code rather than the Firearms Act, to avoid giving owners the opportunity to challenge the Firearms Act in court. Conservative leader Stephen Harper has promised his party will repeal the gun registration law if it forms a government and replace the registry provisions with gun acquisition safeguards similar to those in place prior to the Firearms Act. Mr. Harper has also promised to divert more federal money to crimefighting and other public safety measures. "I certainly consulted widely across the country and I've certainly shared my insights with my colleagues," Ms. Guarnieri said. "I do have a series of recommendations that are currently being analysed and digested." Although Ms. Guarnieri has apparently briefed cabinet, Ms. Bulte said she heard "through the grapevine" that Ms. Guarnieri submitted a progress report only and did not make recommendations. Early in her consultations with sport and hunting groups across Canada, Ms. Guarnieri at one point challenged an audience of gun owners to make a note of their main complaints about the Firearms Act and promised them that once the government acts on her recommendations, their "wish list" would be met. - ------------------------------------------------ CBC's $2 BILLION DOLLAR COST ESTIMATE FOR THE GUN REGISTRY WAS LOW http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/guns115.htm NUMBER OF GUNS REGISTERED & UNREGISTERED AS OF JANUARY 8, 2004 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/FirearmsRegistered-2004-01-08.xls ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:53:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Firearms registry is thinking ahead -- way ahead: PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal DATE: 2004.04.30 EDITION: Final SECTION: Letters PAGE: A17 BYLINE: D.T. Anderson SOURCE: The Edmonton Journal - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Firearms registry is thinking ahead -- way ahead: Three-year struggle to obtain registration certificate brings ominous news - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's the kind of insanity that's just too crazy to be made up. (Read this to the end, you won't believe it.) For almost three years I've been dealing with the federal firearms registry to try to get them to issue a registration certificate for the one "prohibited" firearm I own, a .32 calibre handgun. The apparent problem was that there was some legal confusion over whether or not I could keep the firearm in question, based on the date I first acquired it. That date problem was resolved with the passing of Bill C-10-A in May of 2003. Among other things, the bill specified an acquisition deadline requirement that I clearly complied with. As a result, the government became obligated to provide the registration certificate immediately. But they didn't. After running out of patience, I called the firearms registration centre several times in the last two months. During that time, I've heard innumerable excuses: - - Until Bill C-10-A becomes law, you can't own that firearm; - - Bill C-10-A is law, but we're waiting for instruction from the minister; - - Bill C-10-A isn't law; - - Bill C-10-A is law; - - Is; - - Isn't. Then on Thursday morning I was told that I never applied to have the firearm registered under the new registry system, so the gun is subject to confiscation and I could be found guilty of a criminal offence. So I faxed them a copy of the receipt proving I registered the firearm via their website nearly three years ago, well in advance of the deadline. I called the Canadian Firearms Centre again on Thursday morning, and this time I finally managed to reach someone who could explain what was going on. She told me that the firearm was registered, but that the registration had expired because the owner had died. Really? Someone with my name, residing at my address in the city of Edmonton, died -- get this -- in May of 2007. The person informing me of that date did so in a very matter-of-fact way, as if nothing could possibly be wrong. "You're based in New Brunswick, right?" I asked. "Yes," said the voice on the phone. "What year is it there?" I inquired. I spent the next several minutes relating the entire chain of events to the person on the end of the phone. I concluded with the observation that clearly there was no way I was ever going to get the firearm's registration certificate now that I'm dead so I would simply stop trying to register the firearm that I've owned for the last seven years. Twenty minutes later, I got a call from an information officer at the firearms centre, assuring me that the registration certificate will be issued within 10 days. We'll see if it actually happens. After all, when he said "10 days," I forgot to ask "in what year?" D.T. 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