From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #112 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, May 3 2004 Volume 07 : Number 112 In this issue: [NOTICE] Prime Minister Paul Martin travels to Toronto Arsenal Defined 4 dead after night of violence DOUBLE HOMICIDE IN RICHMOND HILL My letter to the Toronto Star Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #111 Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #111 Letter to Globe and Mail (unpub). Wendy and shooting Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz knows Liberal hot air when he sniffs Quote/Unquote Letter: Phase-out city standards in rural Canada Column: 'Your papers, please' comes back to haunt: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 13:19:39 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [NOTICE] Prime Minister Paul Martin travels to Toronto http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news.asp?id=193 Prime Minister Paul Martin travels to Toronto NOTICE May 1, 2004 Ottawa, Ontario Prime Minister Paul Martin will travel to Toronto, Ontario on Monday, May 3, 2004. Please note that all details are subject to change. A detailed itinerary follows. All times are local. Monday, May 3, 2004 TORONTO, ONTARIO 10:15 - Prime Minister Paul Martin participates in the signing of a bi-lateral agreement between Canada and Ontario to assist people with disabilities. The Prime Minister will be joined by the Premier of Ontario, the Honourable Dalton McGuinty, Minister of Social Development, the Honourable Liza Frulla and Ontario’s Minister of Community and Social Services, the Honourable Sandra Pupatello. Famous Players Theatre 259 Richmond Street West Room: VIP Lounge – 2nd Floor Toronto, Ontario (Open Coverage) 11:15 - The Prime Minister tours the Regent Park Community Health Centre 465 Dundas Street East (Pooled photo opportunity) 11:30 - The Prime Minister participates in a roundtable meeting with representatives from the Community Health Centre Room: 4th Floor Boardroom (Pooled photo opportunity only at the beginning of the meeting) 13:00 - The Prime Minister tours the Princess Margaret Hospital Cancercare Unit Murray Street Entrance (Pooled photo opportunity only) 13:15 - The Prime Minister participates in a roundtable meeting with representatives from the Princess Margaret Hospital and the University Health Network (Pooled photo opportunity only at the beginning of the meeting) 14:00 - The Prime Minister provides a media availability Room: TBC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 14:22:32 -0600 (CST) From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Arsenal Defined If a half dozen firearms constitute an "arsenal", then I shudder to think what it is I have..... I recall an incident that the press reported as an "arsenal". The gun owner in question was found to have a couple of ISU pistols and rifles and a few bricks of the same lot of target ammo. He also had some left over 7.62mm from his days of 300m Olympic and service rifle shooting. Of course, this constituted an "arsenal" of firearms and "thousands of rounds of ammunition" to the media. Osama bin Ladin - eat your heart out! Todd Birch ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 15:18:59 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: 4 dead after night of violence http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1083499229579&call_pageid=976163513378&col=969048863474 4 dead after night of violence JENNIFER MCGREGOR STAFF REPORTER Homicide investigators across Greater Toronto are busy this morning after a violent night on city streets. In Toronto, homicide crews are investigating two separate shootings that claimed the lives of a man and a woman both believed to be in their 20s. The first shooting occurred at about 7:25 p.m. yesterday outside a home on Nottawasaga Court, near Albion Rd. and Kipling Ave. When officers arrived they found Yhonette Ying, a 25-year-old mother of one, with a gunshot wound. Ying was rushed to Sunnybrook Hospital where she died a short time later. Jason Loppie, 24, of Toronto, was arrested at the scene and is charged with second degree murder. He was scheduled to appear in court this morning. At about 12:22 a.m., Toronto police found the body of man, who also apparently died of gunshot wounds, in an apartment above a restaurant near Coxwell Ave. and O'Connor Dr. Police are still investigating and anyone with information is asked to call 416-808-7400. Meanwhile, York Region homicide investigators were called to Highway 7 and West Beaver Creek Rd. at about 2:30 a.m. where two people have reportedly been killed in a parking lot outside a night club. Anyone with information is asked to call 905-773-1221. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 15:19:35 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: DOUBLE HOMICIDE IN RICHMOND HILL http://www.police.york.on.ca/Press/%5B2004-05-02%5D%20CORRECTION%20TO%20DOUBLE%20HOMICIDE%20IN%20RICHMOND%20HILL.pdf CORRECTION: DOUBLE HOMICIDE IN RICHMOND HILL On Sunday, May 2, 2004, York Regional Police responded to a shooting call at Club Illusion, formerly known as the Paparazzi Night Club, located at 270 West Beaver Creek Road, in the Town of Richmond Hill. At approximately 2:30 a.m., officers arrived on scene to find three people shot. All three were transported to hospital, however, two of the victims were dead upon arrival. The third victim remains under medical care and is expected to recover. The names of the victims are being withheld pending notification of next-of-kin. Police will confirm, though, that all three are males, of Asian descent and are believed to be residents of Peel Region. Post mortem examinations have not as yet been conducted, but will likely take place within the next day or two. Club Illusion is a Karaoke night club. There were several hundred people present throughout the evening of May 1 and the early morning hours of May 2, 2004 and police are appealing for witnesses to come forward. These murders bring the total number of homicides investigated by York Regional Police so far this year to nine and it is the second incident where there have been multiple victims. On February 8, 2004, three people were murdered at the Mirage Spa in Markham. Their bodies were discovered in a church parking lot in Victoria Square. York Regional Police Homicide investigators are requesting cooperation from local business owners in the immediate area, who may have video monitoring equipment which captured images in the area of West Beaver Creek and Highway 7. They are urged to call the Homicide Bureau. Any patrons of Club Illusion or witnesses to this occurrence are asked to call the York Regional Police Homicide Bureau at 1-866-876-5423, ext. 7865, or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS. Prepared by: Detective Sergeant Bill Sadler 04-83437 May 2, 2004 - -30- Distribution: Original: Public Affairs Bureau YRP383 (05/02E) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 15:20:04 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Toronto Star Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: 4 dead after night of violence Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 17:16:17 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: Editor - Toronto Star Another weekend of violence, and yet more bodies of innocent people litter the streets. Why isn't the Federal Liberal Government's much vaunted Firearms Act stopping this senseless slaughter? It was all supposed to be about "public safety", wasn't it? It was supposed to keep guns out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them, wasn't it? Well, it doesn't seem to be doing the job. Not by half. Just think of how many police officers could have been patrolling our streets, and investigating these crimes, for the billion dollars wasted so far on this useless, nay, criminal, boondoggle. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 19:43:38 -0600 (CST) From: Robert LaCasse Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #111 On Sun, 2 May 2004 12:29:14 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>------------------------------ |> |>Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 07:51:12 -0600 (CST) |>From: "Jim Hill" |>Subject: Gun Control |> |>>"Gun control is a joke," says Montreal homicide detective Steve Roberts. |> |>"The police are solidly behind gun control" Cukier- CGC, and every Liberal |>Justice Minister since it's inception. |> |>Jim Hill |>Fletchers Lake, NS |> |>------------------------------ Cukier is a joke, she has never even held a gun, or acquired any sort of firearm permit, she has never even attempted to read the trick questions of the CRFSC, or seen any of the practical tests and sometimes very crude CFI tricks. She lacks a great deal of experience in the facets of the real firearm owners world..." If it saves just one life..." what hers? But no matter if it ruins absolutely all of the firearm owners lives though... heh! Her and her 2 rcmp body guards, that we pay for, should take the test to see what this gun control is doing to gunsmiths, sporting goods owners, sports shooters and hunters that did not know that a 30-30 Winchester bullet does not go into a 30-30 Winchester. Hell most of the test makes about as much sense as the House of Winchester, always constant changes and tricks. Yours in Justice Bob Triad Productions-Fantalla(c)~EZine~ParaNovel National Association of Assault Research WWWeb>> http://nwo.naar.be ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:26:53 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #111 At 07:43 PM 5/2/04 -0600, Bob wrote: > > Cukier is a joke, she has never even held a gun, or acquired any sort of >firearm permit, she has never even attempted to read the trick questions of the >CRFSC, or seen any of the practical tests and sometimes very crude CFI tricks. >She lacks a great deal of experience in the facets of the real firearm owners >world..." If it saves just one life..." what hers? But no matter if it ruins >absolutely all of the firearm owners lives though... heh! Ms Cukeir is NOT a joke. She is a grim reality and very effective at what she does. Many folks believe her and support her, including the Canadian Department of Justice. She does have a very large public following. Whether or not she has any experience with firearms is not relevant. What is relevant is that she has a bias against firearms and firearms owners and is very effective in presenting her views. The saving grace is that she can not defend her position with fact when challenged. Now she avoids situations where she can be challenged. It is too bad our politicians do not do a little research and challenge the so called "facts" presented by both sides of the debate. I suspect the firearms act would have never passed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:27:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Subject: Letter to Globe and Mail (unpub). Four shot to death over weekend ... (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, Peter Cheney's brief description of the firearms violence in Toronto concisely connects the dots between drugs, poverty, gangs, illegal firearms and the ensuing violence. Toronto police spokesman Jim Muscat indicates that the number of illegal guns is constantly increasing, and as one might expect with the increase in illegal firearms comes an increase in the number of shooting deaths. A simple formula for carnage. In the 1920's, with prohibition in the US we saw a similar increase in the use of firearms violence between rival gangs involved in rum-running. It was this type of violence which lead in 1937 to Canada's creation of a handgun registry. Amazingly, having had to register handguns for 67 years has not altered one iota the firearm of choice for crime today, which is still -- a handgun. Today, illegal handguns are being imported in numbers simply because there is a market. While violence continues to rock the cities of Canada, there remains no legal deterrent, either in sentencing or in increased enforcement. The federal government's response to the increase in demand for illegal handguns was instead to register long guns. Priceless! Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk Oshawa, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:28:17 -0600 (CST) From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: Wendy and shooting Actually, Cukier has shot at least one pistol, in Toronto. A few years ago, when Wendy started whining her milquetoast philosophy, there were many shooters in Toronto who figured they could win her over by showing her exactly what was involved in acquiring a license and also by letting her try shooting. It didn't work out of course, but someone must have a picture of Wendy shooting. Alan Harper alan__harper@cogeco.ca SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:32:40 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz knows Liberal hot air when he sniffs it From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2004.05.02 EDITION: Final SECTION: Comment PAGE: C53 ILLUSTRATION: photo by Tom Hanson, CP TREASURY BOARD President Reg Alcock is slimmer these days. BYLINE: BILL RODGERS, PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU COLUMN: Capital Chat [SNIP] - --- The feds are never at a loss when it comes to finding novel ways to spend your money. They've just announced a $50,000 study of how much methane gas is produced by bovine burps and emissions from the other end. Eventually, the results of this important study could help Canada in meeting its targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions under the Kyoto Accord. But Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz knows Liberal hot air when he sniffs it. "This is not a joke. The government is launching a $50,000 study to find out how much methane is coming out of both ends of Canada's cows," the Saskatchewan MP thundered in the Commons last week. "What are they going to do (next): Tell farmers to get rid of their cows if they burp and pass gas too much?" Breitkreuz pictured bureaucrats going from farm to farm measuring gas emissions with methane meters and he wondered if they'd slap a tax on the gaseous output. "Or will they force farmers to buy Beano and Tums for all their cows?" the disgusted prairie MP asked. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:33:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Quote/Unquote PUBLICATION: Times Colonist (Victoria) DATE: 2004.05.03 EDITION: Final SECTION: Comment PAGE: A6 SOURCE: Times Colonist - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote/Unquote - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "That's a canard; it's not an option." Associate defence minister Albina Guarnieri denying she's recommending a voluntary gun registry to replace the existing mandatory and over-budget program. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:34:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Phase-out city standards in rural Canada PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2004.05.03 EDITION: National SECTION: Financial Post: Comment PAGE: FP11 BYLINE: Randy Hillier SOURCE: Financial Post - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phase-out city standards in rural Canada - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lawrence Solomon's column illustrates the contempt and ignorance with which the far-removed urban and bureaucratic mindset views rural communities (Rural Phase-Out, April 21). It's no wonder the "Rural Revolution" started in Eastern Ontario is gaining wide acceptance and broad support when such people as Mr. Solomon have the government's ear and common people and common sense are absent from our democratic process. The only dangers and obstacles threatening the rural economy and culture are government intrusion: legislation such as the Nutrient Management Act, which slowly starves family farms; new Ontario water regulations that parch all rural businesses of profits; the gun registry, which creates lifestyle criminals; the Environmental Protection Act, which cuts down our logging operations because sawdust is thought to be toxic; and the Species at Risk Act, which endangers all property owners with legislated theft of our lands. These are but a few examples of the government's assault on rural communities, but the list is as endless as a bureaucrat's quest for meaningful tasks. Leave rural people and communities alone and we will thrive and survive long past the cities' demise, just as we have for hundreds of years, and throughout history. It is evident the rural economy is being dismantled, and its people are under siege, but this is being done by people such as Mr. Solomon and urban bureaucrats who legislate misplaced urban standards and regulations upon rural residents and their businesses. Metropolitan legislation intended to protect urban dwellers from the dangerous effects of an intensive and dense living environment has no place or purpose in the wide-open and clean countryside. The consequence of urban legislation on rural communities is hardships and a dying culture and heritage. Clearly, the same consequence would befall urban communities if rural living standards were allowed in densely populated cities. To suggest that rural residents and communities cannot sustain themselves and require the guidance and support of the cities is to have a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of rural people and our lifestyle. It is a clear contradiction of reality: It is the densely populated cities that need rural people and their communities, in order to protect Canada's environment, food supply, culture and heritage of democracy. Government academics are building fences that divide rural and urban, causing each to look upon the other with disdain, but rural people know who will climb to the other side first. The only question is will we in the rural areas let them in and allow them to escape the culture of socialism that entraps them? Or will we create a new rural province first, in order to protect our rural heritage, culture, property and democracy -- and separate ourselves from the dangers of academic minds empty of reality and filled with ignorance. Randy Hillier, president, Lanark Landowners Association, RR2 Carleton Place, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:52:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Column: 'Your papers, please' comes back to haunt: PUBLICATION: Times Colonist (Victoria) DATE: 2004.05.02 EDITION: Final SECTION: Monitor PAGE: D4 COLUMN: Jim Hume BYLINE: Jim Hume SOURCE: Times Colonist - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Your papers, please' comes back to haunt: The future is in the cards -- smart cards, that is. More countries are demanding proof of identity. And it looks as though Canadians are resigned to accepting them. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Remember the old black and white movie with a steam train thundering across Nazi Germany with a couple of guys on board trying to escape the Gestapo? The train slows, wheezes to a hissing stop at a grimy station, night-black except where overhead lamps cut cones of light through which move figures in military uniforms. The uniforms climb aboard and from down the corridor we hear the call, first faint but coming ominously closer: "Your papers, please." The bad news is that "your papers, please" is on the brink of a major comeback, not just on trains at ominous border crossings, but also on the nearest street corner. As the old millennium drew to a close the world seemed to be a safer place, a more trusting place, but we had hardly tottered over the brink of the second thousand years when all that changed and planet Earth became a most dangerous place to live; a place of suspicion, distrust and stolen identities. The good news is that almost overnight "the authorities" in even the most liberal countries decided it was time to erect a defensive shield in the form of national identity cards. The doubtful news is: Do we want them? I offered some thoughts on proposed ID cards in this space on April 11. My final words that Sunday were that I didn't see anything wrong with Smart Identification cards -- sporting fingerprints or iris prints and clearly, positively, identifying me as being whom I claimed to be. I wrote that I felt I might be in a minority in being so willing to have everything the world knows about me in a massive data bank to be spit out any time I heard "your papers, please" at a border crossing -- or at Yates and Douglas streets. I was wrong. Reader response was not overwhelming -- maybe 18 e-mails or phone calls -- but it was interesting. Only one respondent objected to the smart card idea. His opposition: We already have a "smart card" plugged into a data bank and called a passport, and, pessimistically, however smart the card, the bad guys will find away to out-smart it. Several said they would welcome the added security of a fingerprint, or eye scan to go with a photograph. But, they asked: "Who will set the system up in Canada? The same people who brought us the gun registry." A sobering -- make that frightening -- thought. Most respondents used the line pushed so hard by law and order militants: "The innocent have nothing to hide." That's a telling argument until someone suggests that in a free society "the innocent have nothing to justify" so why should they be forced to carry any form of identification -- other than the "voluntary" basic documents most sensible people carry in case of accident? It's a problem. I remain a supporter of the "smart card" concept, but dance my well known waffle step when faced with civil liberty arguments. Thoughts like those expressed so many years ago by Ben Franklin worry me: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety observe neither liberty nor safety." True, he was writing at a time when the American colonies were in revolt against a dictatorial British government and colonial terrorists were regarded as freedom fighters, but it's still a point to consider. If we give up too many liberties in little bits and pieces, we may one day awaken to find we have no liberties left to give. A few months ago U.S. President George W. Bush was in favour of national ID cards. Civil liberty groups protested, economists said even the U.S. couldn't afford such a program and George W. backed away and now favours a national driver's licence -- with all the electronic knick-knacks. Civil libertarians say that is trying to sneak in the backdoor what he couldn't get through the front. In Hong Kong, they already have smart cards with an embedded microchip holding the name, birth date, photograph, and both thumb prints of the holder. It is mandatory. Malaysia is phasing in MyKad, a multi purpose card that functions as an ID card, driver's licence, health card -- and an ATM bank card. Authorities say there is a major problem: When the card is lost -- since all ID is on one card -- it is difficult to replace. As far back as 1985 Australia, alarmed at the growing rate of identity theft, credit card scams, immigration violations and tax evasion introduced legislation to create what they called The Australia Card. It was designed to carry a photo, a one-of-a-kind number and a signature. It was proposed the card would be required for travel, health services and banking. There was massive opposition and the government ran for cover and took their "semi-smart card" with them. In Finland, they have had a national ID card since 1999 -- but it isn't all that different to Second World War identity cards. It carries a unique number and signature but limited personal data. It can be used for banking and travel but is not mandatory. Italy has a "carta d'identita." Possession is voluntary but citizens are urged to obtain one. It carries a photo, personal tax number and limited data but no biometric data. So, rapidly and surely the 2004 version of the old movie, in full electronic bloom, is heading for the border and from down the corridor of time come the first whispers of "your papers, please." In truth, in the U.K., it's already more than a whisper. In that mother of democracy and citizen's freedoms a pilot plan was launched this week involving 10,000 volunteer smart card holders. Their cards hold biometric data such as facial dimensions, an iris scan and/or fingerprints. The PR firm handling the experiment forecasts great success and says by the time it's over everyone will want a piece of the new technology "to prove their identity and show they are not a risk ... (They will) want, in what is fast becoming a digital society, to be able to authenticate identity for almost any transaction ... be it going to the bank, going to the shops or the airport. The Brits have a target of 2007-08 when all new passports and driver's licences will be biometric with a separate similar card for those who don't drive or travel. The bureaucrats estimate that by 2012 more than 80 per cent of the population will have the card, or the combined passport/driver's licence version, and that in 2014 one or the other versions of the smart card will be mandatory for all citizens. And if you're a Brit and decide you won't go along? Home Secretary David Blunkett's draft bill introduced last Monday gives MPs until 2013 to decide whether the cards should be mandatory. He strongly recommends they should be -- and will call for a fine of (at this week's rate of exchange) $6,085 Cdn for those who refuse to register. And that's just about as ominous as anyone can request: "Your papers, please." ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #112 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:moderator@hitchen.org List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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