From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #119 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, May 6 2004 Volume 07 : Number 119 In this issue: Guelph Police Posters [LETTER] (How about the right to bare arms?) [LETTER] (Most people would agree with you.) My letter to the Edmonton Sun (1) My letter to the Edmonton Sun (2) Canadians ready to vote, but they want more options Re: [NEWS] Stephen Harper to be Sworn in as Privy Councillor Oscar Lacombe RE: After Action Report/ May Day Firearms Seminar Now it is Our Turn !! Pound officers want more power Interesting tidbit... Re: Handguns have a place in society for the law-abiding citizen DEA Agent Shoots Himself While Leading Gun Safety Class Re: [NEWS] Stephen Harper to be Sworn in as Privy Councillor CRIMES COMMITTED WITH REGISTERED HANDGUNS? Cattlemen's Group, USDA Reach Agreement on Beef Import Case [LETTER] (Cust brought a gust of letters.) My letter to the Edmonton Sun [LETTER] (Good one.) 'Guns are what kill women,' says critic ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 08:45:09 -0600 (CST) From: russelles Subject: Guelph Police Posters I read there is a bit of a problem being made by some snivelling whiners about the firearm carrying police lady posters in Guelph. Does anybody in the Guelph area know what the posters are being sold for and how one may obtain one. Please post reply on the digest. Russ in Alberta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:30:04 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] (How about the right to bare arms?) http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonSun/editorial.html#letters RE: MICHAEL Cust's May 4 letter. Cust writes that "gun ownership is a basic human right and a necessary component of a free society." Guns were created for one purpose: to kill. Guns are the weapon of choice in gang violence and should never be considered a basic right. Otherwise, you might as well move to the U.S., where gangs and gun violence are at an ever-increasing pace because it is a basic right down there. The same thing will happen here at a much higher rate if we are given the "right to bear arms." Andrew Mclean (How about the right to bare arms?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:34:13 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] (Most people would agree with you.) http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonSun/editorial.html#letters MICHAEL CUST, I just want to let you know it's also my right not to have to walk around with a bunch of gun nuts toting their freedom packages at their side, hoping that they don't lose their tempers one day and decide to reach for their piece of freedom and kill someone with it (Mailbag, May 4). In Canada, you have no reason to walk around our streets with a gun. L. Maze (Most people would agree with you.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:45:56 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Edmonton Sun (1) Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: (Most people would agree with you.) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 10:59:23 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: Editor - Edmonton Sun L. Maze is operating under a misapprehension: freedom from fear is not a right. "Fear", especially the irrational kind evidenced by Maze, is a personal problem, best dealt with by therapy, not legislation. Self defence, however, *is* a right. We have the sovereign right to have on our person the best means with which to effect that defence. The reasons are printed in the papers every day, but we don't need a reason to exercise what is ours by right. No wonder real freedom scares some people so much - they have no clue what it is! Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:46:33 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Edmonton Sun (2) Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: (How about the right to bare arms?) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:03:34 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: Editor - Edmonton Sun Andrew Mclean is mistaken if he believes that Canadians do not have the "right to bear arms". We derive that right from the same sources as did the Founding Fathers of the United States: the Magna Carta, the English Bill of Rights, the writings on English Common Law of Sir William Blackstone, the philosophy of John Locke, and many others. Michael Cust was right: it is the sovereign right of every free individual to keep and bear arms, for their own defence, and that of their nation. The fact that this right is denied to us here in Canada speaks volumes about our level of "freedom". Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:32:22 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Canadians ready to vote, but they want more options http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=cbeb447d-cc07-4ea1-8762-680deb7620cd Canadians ready to vote, but they want more options Broadcast News Wednesday, May 05, 2004 TORONTO -- A new survey says Canadians agree on one thing when it comes to the upcoming election -- they want more options. The Leger Marketing poll says over 80 per cent of respondents said there were "limited'' or "no'' options available to choose from. Nineteen per cent of Canadians not planning to vote say they will abstain because they feel there are no major differences between the parties. University of Ottawa political science professor Duncan Cameron says the statistics are a concern. He says Canada needs bold new political voices to engage and excite voters. The research suggests over three-quarters of those polled would consider voting for a viable new political party. More than one-third of respondents said they didn't know of any current party leaders who could offer real options for Canadians. The survey was conducted between April 6th and 12th by phone with 1,511 people, who are eligible to vote. The results are considered accurate to within plus or minus 2.5 per cent. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:33:54 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: [NEWS] Stephen Harper to be Sworn in as Privy Councillor On Wed, 5 May 2004, Bruce Mills wrote: > Stephen Harper to be Sworn in as Privy Councillor What the heck is a "Privy Councillor"? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:37:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Edward B. Hudson" Subject: Oscar Lacombe Correction: Any word about the judge rendering a decision about Oscar Lacombe this coming TUESDAY, 11 May ?? Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:37:59 -0600 (CST) From: "RFOCBC" Subject: RE: After Action Report/ May Day Firearms Seminar A complete video recording of the May Day Firearms Seminar, historical notes, and a copy of Dr Mauser’s study are available upon request. Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association 402 Skeena Crt Saskatoon Saskatchewan S7K 4H2 1-306-242-2379 1-306-249-2359 fax edwardhudson@shaw.ca www.cufoa.ca Ed, I understand that you will send me the video for $25.00. Send ASAP. Thanks, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:39:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Edward B. Hudson" Subject: Now it is Our Turn !! A Call to Action !!! On Tuesday, 11 May 2004, at the provincial court house in Edmonton, Alberta, Mr Oscar Lacombe, Sergeant-at-Arms (Honorary) for the Alberta Legislative Assembly will stand before an Alberta provincial court judge to hear the verdict on the Criminal Code Sec 91 (1) charge of "unauthorized possession of a firearm", that is, Mr Lacombe openly and readily stated in court that he possessed neither a firearms license nor a registration certificate for his firearm "because it is my Right to own this rifle." "I have owned a Coey .22 rifle like this since I was nine years old," Mr Lacombe said in court. "I killed deer to help feed my family. I carried a rifle in Korea and used it to kill people, under orders. I do not need Ottawa telling me now how to be responsible with a firearm," Mr Lacombe testified. Mr Lacombe "fired the first shot" in the defense of our Freedom when he carried his rifle to the Alberta Legislative grounds on New Year's Day 2003. Mr Link Byfield has gotten directly involved by publicizing Mr Lacombe plight. LUFA has gotten directly involved by paying Mr Lacombe's legal expenses. Now it is our turn !! Come out en mass Tuesday, 11 May 2004, to support Mr Lacombe. We plan to implement Mr Bruce Hutton’s plan to show the world that we will not submit to an unjust law. Bring a signed “confession” stating clearly that you own firearms without “benefit” of license. Bring a photograph of you holding your unregistered firearm. Have these statements and photos ready to hand to the news media. Bring NO firearms !! We will be meeting on the court house steps and we will all be killed if anyone shows up with any type of weapon. We follow in Mr Lacombe’s peaceful footsteps, to honor his commitment to our Canadian heritage of responsible firearms ownership. Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:39:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Linda J." Subject: Pound officers want more power OMG!!!!!! First we have transit officers being made "special police" and being given extensive search, seizure and arrest powers, now we have the DOG POUND asking for the same thing, to be made "special police" officers with extensive search, seizure, etc. powers? Has this province gone entirely mad? Linda ==== Pound officers want more power WebPosted May 5 2004 11:33 AM PDT VANCOUVER - The people who run Vancouver's dog pound want the power to obtain search warrants and seize pets. To do that, pound officers would have to be given the status of special constables. Speaking with Rick Cluff on CBC Radio's The Early Edition, chief licence inspector Paul Tiechrob says the public wants better enforcement. "They go to a park or they go to a beach and there's often dozens of dogs running loose. "A lot of members of the public, especially seniors, are intimidated by loose dogs and large dogs and they're asking for more enforcement." Tiechrob says the number of aggressive dogs is growing but his staff is not. He's expected to make his presentation to city council on Thursday. LINK: City administrative report (pdf) http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/20040506/csb3.pdf http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_pound20040505 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:40:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Linda J." Subject: Interesting tidbit... WOW..... wouldn't you like to practise at this range?..... The Emil V. Kolb Centre for Police Excellence REGION OF PEEL, ON, May 5 /CNW/ - On Wednesday, May 5th, 2004, at 1:00 p.m. a ceremony celebrating the grand opening and dedication of the Emil V. Kolb Centre for Police Excellence took place at the new Peel Regional Police facility, 180 Derry Road East, Mississauga. ......... The building is equipped with many features including: - State of the art firearms range is equipped with 16 bays and allows for access of a vehicle for entry training purposes. This is one of the most sophisticated firearms ranges in North America. (Full article found on Canada Newswire) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 02:21:23 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Lowe Subject: Re: Handguns have a place in society for the law-abiding citizen COLUMN: Everett Mosher BYLINE: EVERETT MOSHER Outdoor Life > originate in the U.S. Their history is far different from ours. Via movies and > television the U.S. has made bigger than life the lawlessness and the part > handguns played in the settling of their western states. By contrast, the > history of the Canadian west is remarkably low key, and without handguns > playing much of a role. Everett needs to bone up on his history... > Do we need such laws in Canada? > > No. We have a lower crime rate, and by a major factor are far more likely to die > on our highways than by a criminal act. That brings up the concept of protecting > ones life and property. Only if an individual is in fear of his life is the use > of lethal force permitted. Shooting someone making off with your car or > television is a very real no-no, and will land you in jail. Good ol' Everett... trying to help and keeps shooting the rest of us in the foot. 1. For many violent crimes, Canada actually has a higher crime rate than the US. 2. As a general rule, the US is no different than Canada as far as when a citizen can use lethal force goes. So, should Canadians have the same legal right to carry the means to protect themselves and their families as many Americans have? Of course they should. Can anyone who knows Everett ask him for me why the life of a Canadian woman is less valuable than the life of an American woman - particularly when Canadian women are far more likely to be raped? > Yet due to a number of factors I don't advocate Canadians hunting with a > handgun. Thanks again, Everett... > For one, to shoot a handgun accurately requires weekly practice, which few > would do. On television most have seen the police video tape of a passenger > exiting an SUV and a police officer firing handguns at one another from only a > few feet away, yet neither were hit. 1. The high stress situation of suddenly fighting for your life is hardly the same as taking deliberate aim at a game animal. 2. Most of the police shootings I read about these days are fatal. It seems most police manage to survive with sufficiently accurate shooting without "requiring weekly practice". In fact, many police in this country still suffer from having less opportunity to shoot with their sidearms than civilian handgun owners have. 3. I have yet to see a police force in this country who carry high quality handguns equipped with optical sights... > For most police officers a .410 shotgun loaded with buckshot is a much better > close range choice, and is more easily handled, aimed and fired. Police should use .410 shotguns loaded with buckshot? Three balls of buck versus nine to 15 that a 12 gauge would carry? Gimme a break, Everett... But thanks for confirming your expertise on matters pertaining to policing and how you use that knowledge to discourage hunters being allowed to hunt with handguns... Everett's heart is in the right place; I just wish he'd quit using it to shoot the rest of us in the foot. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 02:34:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Linda J." Subject: DEA Agent Shoots Himself While Leading Gun Safety Class Hehehehehe.... maybe the agent was just trying to show the kids what a "real" bullet wound would look like? Linda ===== DEA Agent Shoots Himself While Leading Gun Safety Class 5/5/2004 A U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agent giving a class on gun safety to children in Orlando, Fla., shot himself in the thigh. A DEA investigation of the incident is ongoing, the Orlando Sentinel reported April 30. About 50 adults and children were attending the evening class at the Callahan Center. The agent, whose name is being withheld, pulled out his .40-caliber duty weapon, removed the magazine, and asked an audience member to confirm that the weapon was not loaded. The volunteer did so, but the gun fired when the agent released the slide. "The kids screamed and started to cry," said Vivian Farmer, 52, who attended the presentation with her 13-year-old nephew. "My first thought was that it was part of his presentation. I thought it was a blank and he was trying to make a point about how easy it is to fire, to get the kids' attention. But then I looked at the agent's face and he looked surprised. Then there was a quick grimace on his face of sudden pain. I thought, 'This isn't a joke. This is real.' "Everyone was pretty shaken up. But the point of gun safety hit home. Unfortunately, the agent had to get shot. But after seeing that, my nephew doesn't want to have anything to do with guns." Orlando police has ruled the shooting unintentional. More here: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-430deashooting,0,4315468.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 08:18:15 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: [NEWS] Stephen Harper to be Sworn in as Privy Councillor At 11:33 PM 5/5/04 -0600, you wrote: > > >On Wed, 5 May 2004, Bruce Mills wrote: > >> Stephen Harper to be Sworn in as Privy Councillor > >What the heck is a "Privy Councillor"? Well we all know what a "privy" is.... http://www.bottlebooks.com/privyto.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 08:19:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CRIMES COMMITTED WITH REGISTERED HANDGUNS? RCMP CAN'T PRODUCE STATISTICS ON CRIMES COMMITTED WITH REGISTERED HANDGUNS! BREITKREUZ'S ATI REQUEST TO RCMP - FEBRUARY 10, 2004 For the period from January 1, 1997 to December 31, 2003, please provide copies of reports showing: (1) The total number of crimes committed by persons with a registered handgun, and (2) The number of times the handgun was registered to the accused in these crimes. ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE RESPONSE - MAY 3, 2004 "The data to answer these two requests is simply not readily available. The total number of crimes committed by persons with a registered handgun is not reported by the RCMP, nor other major police departments to Stats Canada. Furthermore, it is not available from Stats Canada, Canadian Firearms Registry, nor NWEST. The information may be contained in individual police/crime reports, but this data is not collected and centrally registered in any way. This, then, makes it labour intensive to search for an answer to the second request as well. This particular search could translate to an estimated 1200 hours of search time by 5 NWEST investigators to view the 7000 records held by them. This would be the equivalent to approx. $12,000 in search fees." STATISTICS CANADA DOESN'T KNOW EITHER! March 9, 2004: Despite 70 years of registering handguns and despite spending a billion dollars on a new gun registry, Statistics Canada finally admitted that it can't provide an answer to Breitkreuz's simple questions: What are the total number of crimes committed by persons with a registered handgun, and the number of times the handgun was registered to the accused? "This is outrageous. How is Parliament ever going to determine if gun registration is worth two billion dollars if the Liberals aren't even collecting the data to prove whether or not it works?" asked Breitkreuz http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/guns117.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 08:27:53 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Cattlemen's Group, USDA Reach Agreement on Beef Import Case So much for Martin's trip to Washington... http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGA02SH4WTD.html Cattlemen's Group, USDA Reach Agreement on Beef Import Case By Becky Bohrer Associated Press Writer Published: May 5, 2004 BILLINGS, Mont. (AP) - The U.S. Department of Agriculture has reached an agreement with a cattlemen's group that sued to halt expanded beef product imports from Canada over concerns about mad cow disease. Under the agreement, USDA will not permit expanded imports of beef products beyond those announced last August until it has completed a rulemaking process now under way, officials said. The deal was outlined in an order signed Wednesday by U.S. District Judge Richard Cebull. R-CALF United Stockgrowers of America sued USDA last month, arguing an agency decision in April permitting Canadian imports of "edible bovine meat products," including ground beef, "increases the risk to human health and creates an adverse effect on the cattle industry." The lawsuit cited two recent cases of mad cow disease - one on a Canadian farm last May and one in a cow in Washington state in December that had come from a Canadian farm. When Canada reported its case of the brain-wasting disease in May, the United States responded by banning Canadian cattle and beef. It eased the bans last August to allow imports considered at very low risk of bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE. But after the Washington state case of mad cow, some bans remained intact. Live cattle from Canada are still banned. Bill Bullard, chief executive officer of R-CALF, the group that brought the lawsuit, said Wednesday the agreement was a "huge victory" for both U.S. consumers and the cattle industry. USDA is creating rules on easing restrictions on beef and live animal imports from Canada, and will add the products cited in the lawsuit to the list of items to consider. The agency is still evaluating public comments and scientific information, and no timetable has been set on when new import rules will be issued, said Ed Loyd, a USDA spokesman. The judge granted R-CALF's request for a temporary restraining order last month. Imports of boneless beef from cattle under 30 months of age and other products previously announced last August would not be affected by the agreement, Loyd said. AP-ES-05-05-04 2029EDT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 08:52:12 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] (Cust brought a gust of letters.) http://www.canoe.com/EdmontonSun/editorial.html IT SEEMS Michael Cust is a bit confused (Mailbag, May 4). The "brutal act of oppression" that city police used to arrest a suspect wasn't that at all - it was controlled management of a potentially dangerous situation. I haven't seen the UN list gun ownership as a basic human right yet. Maybe that's because the human race has issues like starvation, homelessness, health care, genocide and torture to deal with first. G. Taylor (Cust brought a gust of letters.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 08:55:36 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Edmonton Sun Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: (Cust brought a gust of letters.) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 10:54:31 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: Editor - Edmonton Sun For G. Taylor, from the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights: Article 17. (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property I don't see anything in there about owning cars, and yet cars kill more people every year than guns do. Why aren't we banning cars? If it saves only one life! "Guns" are "property, just like any other tool. It is the sovereign right of every individual to purchase, own, use, and dispose of property, when, how and as they see fit - as long as they don't cause harm to another. It appears that even China understands the importance of property rights, enshrining them in their constitution. Canada, however, does not. I wonder why that is? Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:04:46 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] (Good one.) http://www.canoe.ca/CalgarySun/editorial.html The Liberal lying campaign has begun. Their ads say if Stephen Harper had been prime minister last year, our troops would be in Iraq this year. Well if Paul Martin had been our prime minister onD-Day, Canadian troops would have invaded Norway! Linda Robertson (Good one.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:12:59 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: 'Guns are what kill women,' says critic May. 6, 2004. 12:45 AM 'Guns are what kill women,' says critic MISSING THE TARGET? Girls With Guns fundraiser under fire in Guelph SPECIAL TO THE HAMILTON SPECTATOR Guelph police are featured in the Girls with Guns poster raising funds for breast cancer research, whose message detractors feel is lost by the sexy, gun-toting women. A fundraising poster featuring eight provocatively-clad, gun-slinging female city police officers is drawing fire. The poster, with the caption Girls With Guns Target Breast Cancer, is a fundraiser for breast cancer research but that message is lost, detractors say, in images of sexy, heavily-armed lady cops. "There they are sporting guns as if it's a fun thing to do," said Dawn Reynolds, a family therapist who is offended by the poster. "Guns are what kill women. They are not a good thing." Guelph police sex and child abuse unit constables Cate Welsh and Lisa Lakatos are selling the posters so they can take part in the Princess Margaret Hospital's Weekend to End Breast Cancer, a 60-kilometre walk through Toronto this fall. Each must raise $2,000 as a walk entry fee. With approval from the police services board, they persuaded six other female officers to pose with them in the photo. Lakatos and Welsh said the picture acts as a metaphor for the lives of breast cancer patients and survivors. It takes toughness to battle breast cancer, but women with the disease shouldn't feel like they're losing a sense of femininity, Lakatos explained. "You need to be a survivor and it takes strength to do that," she said. The Canadian Cancer Society estimates that breast cancer is the most frequently diagnosed cancer in women, with one in nine women expected to develop the disease. Posters went on sale last week and despite some backlash, sales have been brisk, said Guelph Police Chief Rob Davis. "I didn't see anything that was suggestive of anything sexual or provocative," said Davis. "Police officers are targeting breast cancer. That's very admirable." Dave Clark, chair of the Guelph Police Services Board, said the board is supportive of the idea. "It's tasteful and professional," Clark said. Sue Richards, a Guelph entrepreneur who launched the Breast of Canada calendar in 2001 to raise awareness of breast cancer, said she was taken aback. "I do see a sexual tone to it. To me it is provocative," she said. "I would have preferred to see them in police uniforms. Then the guns are in context," she added. Dianna Schreuer, president of the Canadian Breast Cancer Network, wasn't fazed by the poster. "This is what they are," said Schreuer. "If they were holding bananas, that would be silly." The posters and T-shirts are $10 each and are available by calling 519-824-1212, extension 254. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #119 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:moderator@hitchen.org List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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