From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #168 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, May 21 2004 Volume 07 : Number 168 In this issue: Knife-wielding woman shot by Mountie Re: [CFC] Important notice concerning registration fees Re: Ottawa to make changes to gun registry Liberals have weak grip on own supporters: poll Who is the idiot here? Re: Transfer Fee Cancelled [LETTER] Love those guns Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #167 Registry is dying - At long, long, last! New changes to gun laws letter to the Ottawa citizen (not yet published) Important notice concerning registration fees Re: The Jonathan Logan Atrocity re correction on Jonathan Logan message Open Letter Editorial: Registry reform changes little ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 21:59:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Linda J." Subject: Knife-wielding woman shot by Mountie Knife-wielding woman shot by Mountie WebPosted May 20 2004 03:23 PM PDT VANCOUVER - A 26-year-old North Vancouver woman is recovering in Lions Gate Hospital after being shot in the chest by an RCMP officer Thursday morning. North Van RCMP say they got a call from a woman who said she had been threatened by another woman armed with a knife. Officers went to a building in the 1000-block of Heywood Street and began looking for the woman who had fled the scene, finding her 45 minutes later. "The female subject produced a knife, lunged at a police officer who in response fired one shot," says RCMP spokesperson, Const. Jennifer Pound. "The subject was hit. And the threat having being neutralized, members then rendered first aid until the arrival of an EHS ambulance." The woman is reported to be in stable condition Police have not identified her, only saying she was a resident of the building in question. The officer who shot her has also not been identified, and has been on the force for five years. Pound say there were witnesses to the confrontation. And RCMP Major Crimes investigators from outside the detachment have been called in to investigate, as is policy in these types of incidents. http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_shooting_two20040520 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 21:59:37 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: [CFC] Important notice concerning registration fees > http://www.cfc.gc.ca/en/RegFees.asp > > Important notice concerning registration fees > > Please be advised that all registration fees, including fees to register > firearms acquired by a transfer and newly imported firearms, have been > eliminated as of May 20, 2004 hmmmm...looks like its time to transfer and transfer back all those registered firearms. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 22:00:15 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: Ottawa to make changes to gun registry > The changes come as a result of a three-month nationwide review by Liberal > cabinet minister Albina Guarnieri, and after cabinet discussions. No they don't. Nobody gives a rats ass about registration fees. Its the law that needs to be scrapped. What is clear and no tears from me, Albina Guarnieri must feel like the biggest tool in the country. I also guess OFAH and FQF must also feel like big honken tools. Hell they couldn't even manage to get their sellout package across. __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 23:38:39 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Liberals have weak grip on own supporters: poll http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1085104322676_25/?hub=TopStories Liberals have weak grip on own supporters: poll CTV.ca News Staff Traditional Liberal supporters may be the party's Achilles' heel, a new poll has found. "The decided vote is extremely shaky. When you have almost half of the committed Liberal decided vote indicating a minority government would be good ... it doesn't exactly place you in a great position," John Wright, senior vice-president of Ipsos-Reid, told CTV.ca. A new poll his company prepared for CTV and the Globe and Mail found that from all voters: * 60 per cent think it's time for a change in government * 60 per cent agree Canada will get better government with a minority * 61 per cent think the Liberal Party is corrupt And among decided Liberal supporters: * 47 per cent think Canada would get better government with a minority * 35 per cent think the party is corrupt * 55 per cent are "absolutely certain" to vote for their party * 39 per cent would choose the Conservatives as their second choice; 34 per cent would choose the NDP "The more we look into these numbers, the more (the election call) appears to be a very risky gamble," Wright said of the election call, which CTV News says will be called Sunday for a June 28 vote. "How bad is it? It's a lot less than perfect," said Craig Oliver, Ottawa bureau chief for CTV News. "The electorate is grumpy, irritable, sullen, and that's how this campaign is beginning. "I think the polls are beginning to pick up that a lot of Canadians are not very anxious, not eager, to vote Liberal, and that's a big problem for them," he said. As part of their campaign strategy, Liberals are trying to paint Conservative leader Stephen Harper as an extremist. They have created a website and advertising focusing on some of his statements from over the years. However, the Ipsos-Reid poll found that 35 per cent of decided Liberal voters don't find Harper to be extreme, although 56 per cent felt he was too extreme to be prime minister. Another finding: 61 per cent of respondents believe "the new Conservative Party is really just the old Alliance or Reform Party." In his nomination meeting speech Thursday night, Prime Minister Paul Martin repeatedly referred to the "Alliance Conservatives" and tried linking Harper to former Ontario premier Mike Harris. Almost 70 per cent of Liberal voters believe that to be true, according to the poll. Wright said when Harris -- who won back-to-back majorities in Ontario -- went into an election, he did so with general support of 45 per cent. In comparison, these numbers look more like the scenario facing Ernie Eves, Harris's successor, who went down to defeat at the hands of the Ontario Liberals last fall. While 60 per cent of respondents nationally believe its time for a change in government, 36 per cent thought the Liberals deserved to be re-elected under Martin's new leadership, according to the poll. Shifting support Despite those negatives, 72 per cent of Canadians think the Liberals will win the next election, versus 18 per cent for the Conservatives and four per cent for the NDP. Wright said with a slim margin of 39 per cent support nationally, "if (Liberal supporters) shift their feet, they will hand-deliver their own party a minority." Martin's election team seems to realize it has some fence-building to do with the Liberal Party's supporters, especially given the rift between Martin and former prime minister Jean Chretien. "There are a lot of senior Liberals that we're all talking to, particularly former Chretien ministers -- many, many other Chretien MPs -- who are looking for a reason not to vote Liberal actively," Oliver said. Sen. David Smith, who has worked for the party since the 1960s, has been handed the task of wooing back disgruntled Liberals. "Every campaign has the odd mistake. You'll always have the odd mistake, but bottom line, you gotta come together when the chips are down and the chips are down right now," he told CTV. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 00:09:46 -0600 (CST) From: David Mack Subject: Who is the idiot here? > There is no proper use of a handgun, believe me, in my seven years of working > for CTV news I have to say under no circumstances have I come across a situation > where a teenager needed to know the "proper use" of a handgun. > > What is the message here? My two young children, both of whom have been told > that guns, all guns, are wrong and bad saw your newspaper and asked why the teen > was able to use one with an adult around. I told them it was because his parents > were idiots. I wonder just who is the idiot here? I will bet a pound to a penny (or whatever the Canadian equivalent is) that this fellows children will be somewhat intrigued by firearms and are now prime candidates to learn about gun use from friends at school or on the street. It has never been possible to wrap your children in cotton wool and keep them out of all harms way that is especially true today. That is why the best hope is to get in early and teach your kids safe firearms handling and use and safe supervised use of motor vehicles long before the law allows them out on their own with either. If you want a child to behave responsibly you must give him responsibility at an early age. To that end I have taught my 13 year old to shoot and to drive under my supervision and I feel confident that he already knows the right way to go about these things and will not be tempted to get himself into trouble with his mates. My 10 year old daughter is also learning to shoot and enjoys the quality time spent with her Dad. David. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 00:31:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Linda J." Subject: Re: Transfer Fee Cancelled Todd Birch wrote: "To really save face, the announcement ought to be that the Firearms Registry has become the Violent and Sexual Offenders Registry." and "If they think this is going to save Annie's ass in Edmonchuk, they misjudge the anger this has generated." Right on Todd! A violent and sex offender registry would be great use for the registry, and some people could likely keep their jobs too. As for the ANGER - - oh YES - - they have greatly misjudged it. I'm afraid I cannot generate a shred of sympathy for their misfortune though. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:36:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Linda J." Subject: [LETTER] Love those guns Sent (to National Post letters@nationalpost.com ) but not published.... Letter to the Editor: Quite frankly Eric Houde ("Love those guns" 2004.05.20) could be the one "completely at odds with the Canadian approach to balancing individual rights". He states "gun owners -- they have got to be the most emotional bunch of Canadian males outside of Stanley Cup season." If Houde were paying attention, he would see a lot of "women" in the bleachers and in the sports bars cheering for their favourite team in the Stanley Cup. And, if he were REALLY paying attention, he would likewise see a lot of women who "own and use guns." I'm surrpised at such a mindset with Houde hailing from Montreal. After all, isn't Montreal also the home of Biathlete Myriam Bedard, who was inducted into the Canadian Olympic Hall of Fame just this year? Does Houde even realize that the Biathlon "includes" shooting, and that Bedard has broken records? Sure, she has also been just a tad infamous of late, with the Adscam publicity, but let's not forget what this Canadian has accomplished. Bedard is only one of many female medal winners involved in the shooting sports. Bedard is only one of THOUSANDS of women in the shooting sports. Last time I looked, I certainly was NOT a "male". So in this era of balancing individual rights, and equality between the sexes, it is probably past time that Houde (and others with his archaic mindset) put to rest the fiction of firearms owners as "ONLY red-necked males". As for the "fury" - - YOU GOT IT Eric. A large part of the country, males AND females are feeling incredible fury. Today's announced changes have merely fed more fuel to that fire of fury. Just HOW much fury will be seen in the up and coming election. Linda Jordan North Vancouver, BC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:36:48 -0600 (CST) From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike)" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #167 I think it is a good time to transfer my .22 Cooey model 39 to my wife, then my daughter, then my other daughter, then back to me, etc. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:37:49 -0600 (CST) From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike)" Subject: Registry is dying - At long, long, last! 1) The news today had a segment about the Lieberals planned tinkering with their Registry. Of all the gun owners out there who would give them a good dissertation about the Firearms Act, they interviewed a white, beer bellied, four-day-bearded, middle-aged gentleman who said very enthusiastically how much he liked the proposed amendments. I wonder how many they interviewed before they got this guy? 2) Imagine that: The Lieberals promise a $25 million per year spending cap while toughening up handgun laws. I can just imagine what crap they have in store for us now. Of course this latest promise is only as good as all their prior promises. Remember the promise to scrap the GST? 3) Cheer, folks, cheer! The Registry's goin' down! Cheer, folks, cheer! Its a-goin' underground. Cheer, folks, cheer! Truth and Justice will abound. And our basic Human Rights Will arise! - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:38:13 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: New changes to gun laws Only a Liberal could be so down right stupid Imagine this: "Other changes include tougher gun laws, especially for the possession of loaded handguns." Look out all you ISu and IPSC shooters, looks like being in the possession of a loaded handgun is going to get you a stay at the crowbar hotel. Once again the Liberals did not hear a single word spoken by their Deputy psokesthingy who spent months and considerable thought on how to tame the gun registry beast. Wendy and De villier got their say, and a few Liberal women caucus members, but it appears everyone else once again got shut out. payback is going to be a bitch once the election writ is dropped. It will be a fine feeling to see Wendy and their ILKS being kicked off Parliament hill once the Consesrvatives take power. If we fail to get rid of these sycophants that are ruling this country, we may as well bend over, because here it comes again. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:38:50 -0600 (CST) From: "tony katz" Subject: letter to the Ottawa citizen (not yet published) Yesterday the Liberals unveiled their changes to the useless gun registry and Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan, who is also public security minister, said the Liberals will also propose key Criminal Code amendments to toughen gun crime provisions and increase penalties for weapons trafficking. ``Canadians have told us in no uncertain terms that they want us to get tough on gun crime and enhance the capacity of law enforcement agencies to address gun crime and smuggling,'' she said. Well duh!!!! It only took them 10 years and more than $1,000,000,000.00 to figure this out?? How stupid are they, how stupid do they think we are?? It must be obvious to even the most doltish Canadian voter by now that the intent of the Liberal's "gun control" policy was never aimed at crime or criminals but just as we suspected at law abiding gun owners. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:39:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: Important notice concerning registration fees >hmmmm...looks like its time to transfer and transfer back all those >registered firearms. Don't forget to have all transfers verified by an official government verifier. Don't take the chance of violating sections 106 & 109 of the Firearms Act, which are good for 5 years in jail. Let the verifier chance the 5 years, not you. Alan Harper alan__harper@cogeco.ca SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:41:08 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Subject: Re: The Jonathan Logan Atrocity Forwarded from Wolfden Re: The Jonathan Logan Atrocity Today Jonathan was again in court for the fifteenth time since this travesty of justice began. This time it was over the three Ont. Prov. Police officers who have been charged by him in a, private, information. The acting crown, which spoke on behalf of the Crown, stated that the Out of Town Assistant Crown who has been selected to look after the case is undecided as to weather or not she will take the case to trial. A new date of June 17th, 2004 was set to give here enough time to make up her mind…. That for a reasonable person should be a very easy decision. This sounds to me as though they are desperately trying to find a way to avoid giving Jonathan his constitutional right to his day in court to prove that he and his family were the victims of a crime perpritated, by these police officers. It appears as though they are sounding the waters to see how much of a public outcry there would be if they stayed the charges and did not proceed. There should be such a groundswell of public condemnation over this attempt to suppress his rights that they would be terrified not to prosecute the officers involved. JONATHAN AND ALL OF US needs your support NOW…. If we allow them to sweep this case under the table, GOD, HELP US. No hunter, shooter or any Canadians rights will be safe. We have to win this fight. Please for all our sake, everyone call your Member of parliament, Call the Crown attorneys office, Mr. John Alexander Crown attorney for Simcoe County Phone 705-739-6188, or the Out of Town Crown Attorney who has been put in charge of this case, Lisa CAMERON of Newmarket Ontario, for York Region, 905-853-4800. Don’t let them bury this case. They have already destroyed the lives of this young man and his family; lets help him have his day in court. Supposedly it will ultimately be Lisa Cameron’s decision, lets put some pressure on her to do the right thing. We don’t have much time; the decision will be announced on June 17th, 2004 in Bradford Court. The more support we have there the better. Between now and then lets bring some pressure to bare and help her make up her mind to the right decision. Yours in Conservation and Justice, Carl Banting, Wolf’s Den Sporting Supplies Ltd. mailto:Info@wolfsdensports.com http://www.helpjonathan.com For more info on this case click here http://www.geocities.com/liberalgunfarce/Opp.html and here http://www.geocities.com/liberalgunfarce/OutofControl.html Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:41:56 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Subject: re correction on Jonathan Logan message The correct phone number for Lisa Cameron, the Prosecutor assigned to the Jonathan Logan case is at the Regional Office 905-836-5624 Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:43:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Al Muir" Subject: Open Letter Dear Ms McLellan, Minister of Public Safety, Yet another meaningless review of the Firearms Act, conducted by Ms Guarnieri, has been completed and acted on by the Liberal Party. The results of the review are instructive to gun owners. On numerous occasions groups that represent gun owners have sat down in good faith with your government only to have their views ignored and have themselves used by your government in a hollow misrepresentation of the consultation process. Your parties' present position regarding the Act clearly outlines the futility of gun owners attempting to negotiate with your government. The Liberal party continues to steamroll down the path of an unhealthy polarization of urban versus rural and center versus east and west. Along with your cruelty to animal's legislation, and other measures, your party has displayed a callous disregard for the concerns of rural, eastern, and western voters. Our numbers simply do not warrant your concern when contrasted to our urban, central Canadian cousins. Your party, with the tacit duplicity of the mainstream media, has continued to publicize compliance figures that can only be described as pure fabrication. Your present tact is to further bribe compliance out of a non- compliant pubic through the promise of reduced fees, the same policy that has failed miserably in the past. As your party has reaffirmed their commitment to the criminalization of Canadians for the paper infraction of not licensing themselves and registering their tools, it is time for your party to display the political will to imprison otherwise law abiding citizens. Section 15.1 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms states, "Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination". My colleagues in the Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association, along with myself, have publicly demanded our arrest on numerous occasions for documented violations of the licensing and registration requirements of the Firearms Act. I have been contacted recently by a Nova Scotian victim of the Firearms Act, charged under section 91 of the criminal code. I will be attempting to be called as a witness at that trial to testify as to the apparent lack of necessity of possessing the documents section 91 requires. Your government has yet to explain how we, as members of CUFOA, merit special status that places us above other individuals rather than at the equal level Section 15.1 of the charter requires. As a representative of Prime Minister Martin's government, that has reaffirmed a commitment to the licensing and registration components of the Firearms Act; you are responsible for the integrity of the Act. Please do your duty and direct the federal police to arrest us or at the very least, inform them of your knowledge of individuals not in compliance with the law your government formulated and touts as a public safety measure. Respectfully, Al Muir, 4914 East River East Side Road, Plymouth, Nova Scotia 1-902-752-7877 allister.muir@ns.sympatico.ca www.cufoa.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:45:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Editorial: Registry reform changes little PUBLICATION: The Leader-Post (Regina) DATE: 2004.05.21 EDITION: Final SECTION: Viewpoints PAGE: B7 SOURCE: The Leader-Post - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registry reform changes little - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone who thought the federal Liberals were going to scrap the gun registry just hasn't been paying attention. While the federal registry is despised in Western Canada, where it is seen as making criminals of hunters and farmers, it likely doesn't cost the Liberals too many seats. But its widespread support in major eastern Canadian urban centres might translate into lost seats if it was to be cancelled. And when Prime Minister Paul Martin ordered a review of the program, he made it clear he was not in favour of scrapping it. So it's no real surprise that on the eve of an expected federal election announcement, Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan and Treasury Board president Reg Alcock announced Thursday a series of measures that amount to little more than tinkering with the badly flawed gun control program. The program, initially billed as costing $2 million once registration fees were factored in, has cost taxpayers $1 billion since its inception in 1995. The most welcome news was that the annual cost of the registry component of the program will be capped at $25 million starting next fiscal year. (The current cost is $33 million, down from $48 million in 2001). And the fact the money will be voted in a separate appropriation will make the registry more transparent and accountable. It is also welcome news that the government intends to stiffen penalties for gun crimes, although including that as part of an announcement dealing with reforming the gun registry is a bit of a stretch. Other changes will see the elimination of fees for the registration and transfer of firearms, a streamlining of the licence renewal process, the creation of a firearms advisory working group and consultation with aboriginal groups, who have argued the law infringes on their treaty rights. However, the government hasn't backed down on the requirement that all firearms and owners be licenced. Much ado about very little. Given recent news reports that guns are still readily available on the black market, Canada would be much better off if the $1 billion flushed down the gun registry drain had gone to the RCMP and other federal law enforcement agencies. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #168 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:moderator@hitchen.org List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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