From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #172 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, May 21 2004 Volume 07 : Number 172 In this issue: Re: [COLUMN] Liberals might have been better off letting this dog lie Pedestrian quarrel leads to shooting Author of gun registry reforms caught off guard by changes Re: [LETTER] Love those guns Poll predicts minority (no subject) The Courage of Your Convictions My letter to the Vancouver Province Re: The Courage of Your Convictions Letter to the Editor of the Toronto Sun 21 May 2004 Michael Moore's critics strike back ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:35:19 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: [COLUMN] Liberals might have been better off letting this dog lie Bruce Mills wrote: > Liberals might have been better off letting this dog lie > > By JOHN IBBITSON > Friday, May 21, 2004 - Page A4 I can't believe that the Mop and Pail is actually printing this stuff! John Ibbitson raised this point on TVO's "Question Period" yesterday at 8pm - which aired again at midnight, and again this morning. My thought: The liberals took a page out of the CFL playbook - when in doubt, punt. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:49:20 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Pedestrian quarrel leads to shooting http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1085091010599&call_pageid=968350130169&col=969483202845 Pedestrian quarrel leads to shooting Gunshots rang out downtown in broad daylight yesterday after an "intense argument" between pedestrians and a motorist. Toronto police said a man and woman were in a car just after 12:30 p.m. when a man yelled at them as they passed near Mutual and McGill Sts. Police said the man, 38, and the woman, 22, got out of the car to confront the man and were approached by him and another suspect. After what police described as a heated argument, one of the men pulled out a gun and fired a total of three shots at the two victims. The man and woman were not injured. The shooting suspect was last seen heading west on Carlton St. The first suspect is described as 20 to 35 years old, 5-foot-11 to 6-foot-1, 150 pounds with a slim build. There is no description for the second suspect. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:49:43 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Author of gun registry reforms caught off guard by changes Another version: http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040520.wguns0521/BNStory/Front/ Author of gun registry reforms caught off guard by changes By JANE TABER and DAWN WALTON >From Friday's Globe and Mail The cabinet minister in charge of revamping the controversial $1-billion gun registry was not part of key meetings and decisions leading up to Thursday's announcement by Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan, highlighting the haste in which the new reform package was drawn up and the divisions within cabinet. Several caucus sources said Civil Preparedness Minister Albina Guarnieri, the author of the reform package, was never informed that Ms. McLellan was poised to announce major changes to the gun registry. She discovered there was to be an announcement late Wednesday night when she heard it on the television news, say sources. On Thursday, just days before an expected election call, Ms. McLellan announced that the cost of the trouble-ridden registry would be capped at $25-million a year and registration and transfer fees would be scrapped. Last December Prime Minister Paul Martin asked Ms. Guarnieri to study the issue and make recommendations as to how it could be reformed. She spent three months consulting and delivered a comprehensive package of reforms to cabinet more than a month ago. Ms. McLellan's reforms only reflect a part of what Ms. Guarnieri brought to the cabinet table, say sources. A controversial recommendation to move the registry from a stand-alone agency into another department or agency such as the RCMP in order to save costs was not announced Thursday. As well, Ms. Guarnieri, according to sources, had recommended decriminalizing registry offences. This was also not reflected in the McLellan announcement. Although Ms. Guarnieri did the work, Ms. McLellan was the lead minister on the issue. Sources say she consulted with other ministers but not with Ms. Guarnieri about the timing or content of the package announced Thursday. Treasury Board President Reg Alcock, another MP from western Canada, was with Ms. McLellan when she made the announcement in Edmonton. Both ministers denied the changes had anything to do with a federal election call expected on Sunday. "It's not about gaining favour,” Ms. McLellan said. “It's not about, you gain a political point here or there. I think Canadians would find that profoundly offensive. It is about commitment – a collective commitment – to public safety.” Liberal officials had expected changes to the controversial registry would sell well in the West and rural Ontario and Quebec in the election campaign. Still, Ms. McLellan's announcement came just a day after a story in The Globe and Mail revealed divisions within the cabinet over its reform. It said the package of reforms was stalled on Ms. McLellan's desk. Suddenly Wednesday it appeared that a decision had been reached. “I'm pissed off,” said an Ontario MP from a rural riding. “They've left this to the eleventh hour and 59th minute. They're announcing something without any feedback from those of us who have been vocal about this thing. And they seem to have the wheels spinning …” Treasury Board President Reg Alcock said he has been pushing for a way to bring down registry costs as quickly as possible. “This thing got away from us,” he said. “We had problems and tried to rein it in.” The firearms registry, which was introduced by the Liberals in 1995, was expected to cost taxpayers $2-million, with the bulk of the $119-million expense covered by registration fees. However, Auditor General Sheila Fraser calculated the registry cost – not including recouped fees – at $1 billion by 2005. The Canadian Firearms Centre costs $103-million a year to run, and the registry, which once peaked at $38-million is down to $33-million. The reaction to Thursday's changes was mixed. Alberta Justice Minister and Attorney General Dave Hancock said he was disappointed with the announcement since his government has long been lobbying to abolish the gun registry and focus on crime. He has also pushed to move firearms registration offences out of the Criminal Code so provinces weren't forced to prosecute. The Conservative Party said it would scrap the gun registry and direct funding toward crime prevention such as adding more police on the street. The costs are still overblown, the registry doesn't protect the public and the proposed changes to the Criminal Code do not bear directly on the gun registry, said Conservative Deputy Leader Peter MacKay. “There's no change,” Mr. MacKay said. “This is pre-election posturing and repositioning of a very flawed and failed system.” Wendy Cukier, president of the Coalition for Gun Control, said she is pleased that the screening and licensing process wasn't eroded and failure to register firearms wasn't decriminalized despite pressure from some groups. “It's a package motivated by concern for public safety not politics,” said Ms. Cukier, despite the “vocal minority” that has dominated the debate. New Brunswick Liberal MP Andy Savoy, who represents a rural riding, called it “good first steps.” He said he will continue to lobby on behalf of his constituents to remove more of the irritants around the registry. Youth Minister Ethel Blondin-Andrew, who represents a riding in the Northwest Territories, says that she's generally happy with the reforms but will also push for more. “I don't think we're done yet,” she said, adding that her constituents were anticipating something on decriminalization. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:13:48 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: [LETTER] Love those guns At 03:06 PM 5/20/04 -0600, you wrote: > >PUBLICATION : National Post DATE : 2004.05.20 >HEADLINE: Love those guns > >Re: Emotion Clouds Registry Flaws, letter, May 19 > >Robert S. Sciuk cautions that we should not put emotional considerations ahead >of real public health and safety measures. I think he should take that message >to his fellow gun owners -- they have got to be the most emotional bunch of >Canadian males outside of Stanley Cup season. Their fury at having to register >their guns because it hurts their feelings (i.e. it suggests they are potential >criminals) is, quite frankly, bizarre and completely at odds with the Canadian >approach to balancing individual rights with public welfare. The firearms act has nothing to do with public welfare, stopping crime, or increasing public safety. It is vindictive legislation aimed at those who own firearms. There is no protection offered to gun owners by the legislation, only penalty and liability- both criminal and financial. A firearm gets stolen then recovered by police then the firearm is destroyed as it was "used in a crime". The owner may also face "careless storage" charges. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:35:40 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Poll predicts minority http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=e10fe1c4-b12e-4a8d-83e9-f29c62ca2c88 Poll predicts minority Survey shows Liberals in trouble everywhere but Atlantic Canada amid national 'mood of negativity' Robert Fife CanWest News Service Friday, May 21, 2004 OTTAWA - Paul Martin and the Liberals are heading for the first minority government since 1980 in the coming election as a result of a late surge in Conservative support and a pervasive "mood of negativity" among voters, according to a new National Post/Global National poll. The COMPAS survey shows Stephen Harper's Conservatives are closing the gap with the Liberals and are now at 31% of voter support compared to 39% for the Martin government. The national survey of 1,579 Canadians, conducted May 15-19, has the NDP at 17% of voter support and the Bloc Quebecois at 11%, although the separatist party has a clear lead in Quebec. Conrad Winn, president of COMPAS Inc., said the Tories have risen from the mid-20% range in recent polls because of an "atmosphere of frustration and desolation" among many Canadians, making it unlikely the Liberals will win a fourth consecutive majority. Mr. Winn noted the electorate has shown "an inclination to turn against the government over specific issues that have emerged in the news," such as the Auditor-General's critical report on the Quebec sponsorship program. Should the Liberals be reduced to minority status in the election expected June 28, it would be the first minority Parliament since Joe Clark's Conservatives held power for nine months in 1979-80. The new Conservative party appears to have benefited enormously in the Liberal stronghold of Ontario from the fallout from Tuesday's provincial budget, in which the Liberal government forecast a deficit and increased taxes, Mr. Winn said. The Conservatives are now virtually neck-and-neck in Ontario at 39% to the Liberals' 42%. Only in Toronto do the Liberals hold a strong lead. "In the electoral heartland of Ontario, the Liberals face new competition from the Conservatives that they have not experienced in many seasons," Mr. Winn said. "For sure the Conservatives will not be shut out in Ontario this time," he said, adding there is a very good chance the Tories will pick up seats in Eastern Ontario and in the suburban ring outside Toronto. The Liberals face potential trouble in every region except Atlantic Canada, where their 50% support compares to 26% for the Tories and 20% for the NDP. In addition to anger over the provincial budget -- where the Liberals imposed a health care "premium" on taxpayers after pledging not to raise taxes -- Mr. Winn said Ontario voters could be reacting to a series of negative Liberal advertisements that attack Mr. Harper. He noted that Ontarians have a recent history of responding negatively toward the source of attack ads, not their target. When Ernie Eves unveiled a series of commercials targeting Dalton McGuinty last fall, Tory fortunes plummeted and the Liberals rode to a strong majority win. "There's ample evidence these kinds of ads can backfire," Mr. Winn said. The Liberals face potential trouble in every region except Atlantic Canada, where their 50% support compares to 26% for the Tories and 20% for the NDP. In Quebec, the poll shows the Liberals at 40% to 43% for the separatist Bloc, but Mr. Winn said those figures overstate Liberal support, which is concentrated in heavily anglophone ridings in Montreal. Conversely, the Tories have almost no support in Quebec, which means none of their national support is "wasted" in that province. "In practice, the Liberals are set to lose massively to the Bloc in Quebec, do poorly in Saskatchewan-Manitoba, and be shut out of Alberta," he said. "The Liberals are also threatened in British Columbia, where public misgivings about the provincial Liberals could carry over to their federal cousins." In British Columbia, the Tories are at 40% support compared to 32% for the Liberals and 26% for the NDP. The Tories remain a powerhouse in Alberta with 57% support compared to 27% for the Liberals and 14% for the NDP. The NDP is in a virtual dead heat with the Liberals in the Saskatchewan and Manitoba at 32% to the Liberals' 35%. The Tories are at 27% support. Mr. Winn said a large plurality of Canadians believe they are worse off now than they were four years ago, and this mood of negativity may make the Liberals profoundly vulnerable to charges of corruption from the sponsorship scandal. "By immense (76%) majorities, Canadians believe the Liberals were corruptly helping their friends, Martin had to have known at the time, his record is not squeaky clean, and Adscam was not an honest mistake made in the course of trying to keep Quebec in Confederation," Mr. Winn said. He noted 28% of respondents said their voting decisions will be based on local candidates and local policy considerations, up from 23% in polling completed in early May. "The increased emphasis on localism can be interpreted as meaning that the electorate is even less engaged in national decision-making and even more skeptical of the national choices presented to them," Mr. Winn said. Compounding the troubles for the Liberals is the fact governing parties always lose support over the course of a campaign when voters pay attention to criticism and policies offered by the opposition parties, he said. Mr. Winn said a majority of those polled believe the Liberals have a record of misspending and a large percentage think the government opened the door to terrorists and imposed taxes that are too high. "To make matters worse for the Liberals, the public is not sure whether the election is premature," he said. Almost half of respondents (45%) said the election is being held too early. The COMPAS poll is considered accurate within 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20. [Make sure you go to the website and leave your comments.] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:39:17 -0400 From: Bruce Mills Subject: (no subject) From: "Al Muir" Subject: From the horse's mouth > PUBLICATION: The Calgary Sun > DATE: 2004.05.21 > EDITION: Final > SECTION: News > PAGE: 2 > ILLUSTRATION: photo of ANNE McLELLAN > BYLINE: DAVE BREAKENRIDGE, CALGARY SUN > Tomlinson said instead of cosmetic changes to the registry, taxpayers would be > better off if the prime minister replaced the registry with a system that > focuses only on the licensing of gun owners. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:12:19 -0600 (CST) From: "Edward B. Hudson" Subject: The Courage of Your Convictions To: The Honourable Anne McLellan "The Government of Canada is committed to gun control as an important element of public safety." The Honourable Anne McLellan, Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness. 20 May 2004 "By 2003, any gun that does not appear in the registry will likely mean that it is illegal and an investigation will be launched." Justice Minister Anne McLellan 22 September 1998 “Every person commits an offense who possesses a firearm knowing that the person is not the holder of (a) a license under which the person may posses it; and (b) a registration certificate for the firearm. ... is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.” Sec 92(1) Criminal Code of Canada. Friday, 21 May 2004 The Honourable Anne McLellan Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness House of Commons Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0A6 Re: The Courage of Your Convictions I was extremely disappointed in your announcement yesterday. You squandered an excellent opportunity to demonstrate some much needed leadership. The Firearms Act is not about public safety. This so called “gun control” program is simply a poorly disguised method to disarm the citizens of Canada. Only the willfully blind can continue to ignore the facts: The Firearms Act A. violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - Dr Ted Morton, University of Calgary, B. is totally ineffective in reducing crime - Dr Gary Mauser, Simon Fraser University, C. is outrageously wasteful - Madam Sheila Fraser, Auditor General of Canada, D. is not worth supporting - eight of ten provincial governments, E. is a failure - Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino. If you truly believe that the Firearms Act makes Canada a safer country, then test your hypothesis. If you truly believe the people of Canada support this pathetically wasteful Act, have the courage of your convictions, enforce this law. For 16 months we have peacefully, nonviolently, publicly demonstrated our resolve to protect our Rights and Freedoms. Now it is your turn: Demonstrate your convictions. Stop your bullying tactics. Stop squandering OUR money. As Justice Minister you boasted that this Act would go into full force in 2003. That time is well past: Launch your investigations !! We will voluntarily assist you in every way possible. We possess, and will continue to possess, firearms. We hold neither firearms licenses, nor registration certificates for our firearms - never have, never will. Arrest us. Charge us. Take us to court !!! In 1998 you arrogantly declared that “the debate is over !!” This debate is NOT over, nor will this debate end until we have regained the Rights and Freedoms that you have tried to steal from us. We welcome the opportunity to expose this law as the sham that it is. We will expose the hypocrisy of this government. We await your call to court. Sincerely, Edward B. Hudson DVM, MS 402 Skeena Crt Saskatoon, Saskatchewan 29Apr45 Jack McKelvie Wilson 33 - 2401 Koyl Ave Saskatoon, Saskatchewan 08Nov52 Joe Gingrich, DDS Box 2409 Nipawin, Saskatchewan 15Mar47 Bruce Montague P.O. Box 393 Dryden, Ontario 13Dec58 Kingsley Beattie 1344 Kilborn Ave Ottawa, Ontario 07Nov32 Yvon Dionne 596, Chemin Pinguet St-Damase-Des-Aulnaies, Quebec 04Jul42 Al Muir PO Box 1337 Stellarton, Nova Scotia 16Feb56 Len Miller 864 E 52nd Ave, Vancouver, British Columbia V5X 1H2 CC: Prime Minister Paul Martin Lt Governor Lynda Haverstock Minister of State Albina Guarnieri Garry Breitkreuz, MP Premier Lorne Calvert Brad Wall, Leader Opposition Frank Quennell, Minister of Justice Don Morgan, Justice Critic Premier Ralph Klein Dave Hancock,Minister of Justice Premier Dalton McGuinty Michael Bryant, Attorney General Premier Gordon Campbell Premier Jean Charest Premier John Hamm Michael Baker, Attorney General Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association 402 Skeena Crt Saskatoon Saskatchewan S7K 4H2 1-306-242-2379 1-306-249-2359 fax edwardhudson@shaw.ca www.cufoa.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:12:38 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Vancouver Province Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Forget the cuts to gun registry, cut the registry Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:13:07 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: Editor - Vancouver Province Thank you for stating what should be obvious to every Canadian capable of rational thought, but what clearly eludes the Federal Liberal Government: the Firearms Act does not work! It cannot be tinkered with and made to work. It must be scrapped entirely. The only way we are going to be able to get this message through the the FedLibs is to kick the rascals out! Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:17:04 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: The Courage of Your Convictions "Edward B. Hudson" wrote: > Now it is your turn: Demonstrate your convictions. > > Stop your bullying tactics. Stop squandering OUR money. > > As Justice Minister you boasted that this Act would go into full force > in 2003. That time is well past: Launch your investigations !! We will > voluntarily assist you in every way possible. We possess, and will > continue to possess, firearms. We hold neither firearms licenses, nor > registration certificates for our firearms - never have, never will. > > Arrest us. Charge us. Take us to court !!! > > In 1998 you arrogantly declared that “the debate is over !!” This debate > is NOT over, nor will this debate end until we have regained the Rights > and Freedoms that you have tried to steal from us. > > We welcome the opportunity to expose this law as the sham that it is. > We will expose the hypocrisy of this government. > > We await your call to court. > > Sincerely, > > Edward B. Hudson DVM, MS 402 Skeena Crt Saskatoon, Saskatchewan 29Apr45 > > Jack McKelvie Wilson 33 - 2401 Koyl Ave Saskatoon, Saskatchewan 08Nov52 > > Joe Gingrich, DDS Box 2409 Nipawin, Saskatchewan 15Mar47 > Bruce Montague P.O. Box 393 Dryden, Ontario 13Dec58 > Kingsley Beattie 1344 Kilborn Ave Ottawa, Ontario 07Nov32 > Yvon Dionne 596, Chemin Pinguet St-Damase-Des-Aulnaies, Quebec 04Jul42 > Al Muir PO Box 1337 Stellarton, Nova Scotia 16Feb56 > Len Miller 864 E 52nd Ave, Vancouver, British Columbia V5X 1H2 Good stuff, Eduardo! Keep up the good work, guys! Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:52:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Mark Horstead" Subject: Letter to the Editor of the Toronto Sun 21 May 2004 "Toughening penalties and enforcement for gun crimes" may sound nice to gullible Liberal sheep, but in reality it's rather meaningless given the small fraction of sentences actually served in Liberalland ("Feds put $25M lid on cost of running gun registry", 21 May 2004). Even the current penalties are never fully applied, so what is this going to achieve? There is only one solution to the problem of criminal misuse of firearms: put violent criminals in jail for a long, long time. They, and their firearms, then cease to be a problem. No other measure is required. A billion dollars could have bought a whole bunch of that. As for controlling the costs, yeah, sure they will. Just vote them back in and see for yourselves, folks. Mark L Horstead 148 Thoms Crescent Newmarket, Ontario L3Y 1E1 905-715-5838 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:53:14 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Michael Moore's critics strike back http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/news/2004/05/21/Arts/moore20040521.html Michael Moore's critics strike back Last Updated Fri, 21 May 2004 15:55:19 EDT CANNES - Not everyone in France is in love with Michael Moore. The controversial documentary filmmaker has been the darling of the Cannes Film Festival so far, but there are those who aren't enamoured with his latest film, Fahrenheit 9/11. Jean-Luc Godard, the legendary French director who helped to launch the New Wave movement in the 1960s, had harsh words for Moore this week. Godard's latest film, Notre Musique, premiered on Monday, the same day as Fahrenheit 9/11. Later in the week, Godard lashed out at Moore at a press conference, calling him "halfway intelligent." Godard, who hadn't seen Fahrenheit 9/11, compared it unfavourably to the work of American documentarian Frederick Wiseman. "It's like two different worlds," Godard said. Moore's film criticizes U.S. President George W. Bush's handling of the Sept. 11 attacks, and also highlights the links between Bush's family and the family of Osama bin Laden. But Godard said Moore's film was an ineffectual piece of work. "He's not even hurting Bush," Godard said. "He's helping him in an underground way. Bush is either less stupid than he looks or so stupid you can't change him." * FROM MAY 10, 2004: Disney fires back at Moore Godard went on to say that the Flint, Mich.-born director lacks subtlety. "Moore doesn't distinguish between text and image," Godard argued. "He doesn't know what he's doing." In the United States, meanwhile, publishing house ReganBooks announced plans this week to release an anti-Moore book called Michael Moore Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man. The book comes from authors Jason Clarke and David T. Hardy, the web agitators who run mooreexposed.com and moorelies.com, sites which are aimed at discrediting Moore's books and movies. ReganBooks says the new volume presents a "scathing case" against Moore "that will expose the misrepresentations and hypocrisy that have been characteristic of Moore's career." "Post-war filmmakers gave us the documentary, Rob Reiner gave us the mockumentary and Moore initiated a third genre, the crockumentary." The book will land on store shelves in July. ReganBooks is the same publisher responsible for the trade paperback version of Moore's own Stupid White Men. 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