From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #615 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, December 9 2004 Volume 07 : Number 615 In this issue: Weapons cache put kids at risk Column: Gun registry waste is in a league of its own Letter: Don't link gun law to massacre Letter: Statue, not statute COPS FRET OVER VIOLENT OFFENDER FENDER-BENDER LED TO FIREARMS SEIZURE TWO NABBED IN SHOOTING Texas trucker held on gun charges 'REVOLVING DOOR' SUSPECT HAD BEEN FREE ON BAIL First Ever Victim Services Survey Translation of MP Cullen Letters McLELLAN DUCKS GUN REGISTRY QUESTIONS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:19:35 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Weapons cache put kids at risk PUBLICATION: The Hamilton Spectator DATE: 2004.12.09 SECTION: Local PAGE: A03 SOURCE: The Hamilton Spectator - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Weapons cache put kids at risk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Heavily armed police swooped on a downtown apartment yesterday to seize illegal weapons. The apartment on Robert Street was home to three children, all under 12, who could have had access to the weapons, said Detective Sergeant Peter Abi-Rashed. "This had the potential of being a very tragic situation." Abi-Rashed said police learned about the illegal firearms during an unrelated investigation. He refused to say what kind of weapons had been seized or if the guns were loaded. "I would consider this a significant seizure." Officers from the force's tactical unit stormed the apartment around 4 p.m. They had to wait another two hours for a search warrant so the weapons could be seized. Abi-Rashed said the apartment's occupants were not connected to the guns and were intercepted by police before returning home. "The guns were left by a visitor earlier (in the day)," Abi-Rashed said. Police have identified the visitor and are seeking a warrant for his arrest. The seized weapons are being examined to determine if they were stolen or used in other crimes, he said. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:19:49 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Column: Gun registry waste is in a league of its own PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2004.12.09 EDITION: Final SECTION: BusinessBC PAGE: D3 COLUMN: Michael Campbell BYLINE: Michael Campbell SOURCE: Vancouver Sun - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gun registry waste is in a league of its own - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For nearly 48 hours there was a brief glimmer of hope that arguably the most inept and possibly corrupt program of the last generation was going to be pulled off life support. On Monday, Liberal backbencher Roger Gallaway declared that he would call for a separate vote on the $80 million earmarked for operating that National Firearms Registry (better known as the "gun registry") for the remainder of the year when the spending estimates came before the House of Commons today. To put it bluntly, the Liberal power elite went nuts at the prospect. Justice Minister Anne McLellan denounced the call, while party insider Warren Kinsella threatened Gallaway with sure defeat at his riding's nomination meeting. The pressure seems to have worked. On Wednesday, Gallaway said he would not put forward his motion. Keep in mind the Liberals, with the help of the NDP and Bloc, are circling the wagons over a program that federal gun control adviser William Stenning declared was in a league of its own in terms of incompetence. As he said in referring to the findings of the government's own audit team, "They've seen lots of terrible things, but they've never seen anything like this." Many Canadians are versed with the fact that taxpayers were promised that total costs for the registry would be no more than $85 million -- when in fact the numbers are fast approaching $1.4 billion. Put another way, if the average Canadian taxpayer sends Ottawa $8,000 per year, it's taken 1.75 million taxpayers to fund a program that has little support among rank-and-file police officers. Speaking of police officers, it is not lost on our front-line workers that, while the total number of RCMP officers has declined 10 per cent on a per-capita basis since 1975, we now have about 1,800 bureaucrats working on the registry. They know that while sufficient funding is not available to fight organized crime, we have a registry that continues to suck much-needed tax dollars away from other policing programs. Auditor-General Sheila Fraser estimates that an additional 10,000 officers could have been hired with the money that went to the registry. Actually, the financial mismanagement is worse than that. The overruns are so great that many question whether mismanagement alone can explain the costs. I have yet to find a technology expert who can offer any explanation as to how the cost of creating the registry's computer system has gone from the original estimate of $1 million to $750 million. Even if you factor in overruns at 10 times the original estimate, the cost overrun is the equivalent of planning to have two children and ending up with 163. The point is -- it's impossible. No amount of incompetence gets you from $1 million to $750 million. The gun registry's shortcomings go beyond profound financial mismanagement. As Simon Fraser professor Gary Mauser summed up in studying the relationship between gun registries and violent crime: "There is no evidence that merely increasing the difficulty of obtaining a firearm through stricter gun laws has any important effect on crime rates." Is it any wonder why taxpayers are cynical? While other important public safety issues go underfunded, our MPs stand ready to defend a program that has been grossly mismanaged and provides little public benefit other than reflecting the "depth of our concern" about violent crime. Michael Campbell's Money Talk radio show can be heard on CKNW 980 weekdays from 6 to 7 p.m. and Saturdays from 8:30 to 10 a.m. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:20:23 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Letter: Don't link gun law to massacre PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2004.12.09 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PNAME: Letters PAGE: A15 BYLINE: Brady Patterson SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen ILLUSTRATION: Photo: Fred Chartrand, The Canadian Press / Anne McLellan,centre, joined other MPs in a moment of silence in the House of Commons Monday to mark the 15th anniversary of the Ecole Polytechnique murders. Brady Patterson says it's wrong for her to use the massacre as a reason to keep the federal gun registry. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't link gun law to massacre - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Dec. 6 shows need for gun registry: McLellan, Dec. 7. Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan makes a fool of herself once again in attempting to defend her government's costly, ineffective gun registry program by exploiting the 1989 massacre of students in Montreal. Canada has mandated the registration of handguns since 1934, and acquisition certificates have been required to obtain any firearm, including rifles and shotguns, since 1978. Marc Lepine applied for and received a firearm acquisition certificate, after passing the required background checks. How would the subsequent registration of his Ruger Mini-14 sporting rifle have prevented this tragedy? Brady Patterson, Kanata ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:20:56 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Letter: Statue, not statute PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2004.12.09 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PNAME: Letters PAGE: A15 BYLINE: Robert S. Sciuk SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Statue, not statute - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Dec. 6, Canadians are asked to remember the 14 women killed by a severely depressed psychotic. For various reasons, not all of them clear, this tragedy has come to symbolize acts of violence by men against women. If, as Anne McLellan implies, the firearms act and its requisite firearms registry were designed as a monument to the victims of the Ecole Polytechnique, then surely the memory of those victims would have been far better served with a nice bronze statue in front of Parliament Hill, rather than an expensive and ultimately useless program. Ms. McLellan is "disappointed" that Roger Gallaway broke ranks to challenge the failed firearms registry. I wonder if Ms. McLellan can imagine the disappointment of millions of Canadians over the continued funding of this useless quagmire? Disappointment is hardly the word, Truly, it is time to put this boondoggle behind us once and for all. Robert S. Sciuk, Oshawa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:21:11 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: COPS FRET OVER VIOLENT OFFENDER PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2004.12.09 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 4 ILLUSTRATION: photo of NOWELL LEONARD HALFE Violent man - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ COPS FRET OVER VIOLENT OFFENDER - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A violent offender with a past habit of attacking women has been cut loose from a prison term here in Edmonton. The Edmonton Police Service issued a warning yesterday about Nowell Leonard Halfe, 36. He was recently released from the Edmonton Institution after serving three years for pointing a firearm, possession of a weapon, assault, uttering threats, dangerous operation of a motor vehicle and breach of probation. Police say Halfe is a violent man with a history of sexually assaulting women. He's attended sexual-offender treatment programs through the prison system but Halfe continued to reoffend after receiving counselling. Police believe he continues to "pose a risk of significant harm to the community." Halfe is described as "non-white," five-foot- 10, 166 pounds with a moustache. He has brown eyes and hair, a scar on his right wrist, a scar between his eyes and deformed right and left little fingers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:21:30 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: FENDER-BENDER LED TO FIREARMS SEIZURE PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2004.12.09 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FENDER-BENDER LED TO FIREARMS SEIZURE - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Police seized dope, guns and a fugitive after one of their cruisers got into a fender-bender late Tuesday. City cops say they attempted to stop a man suspected in a recent residential break-in in which guns were stolen. The driver refused to stop and ended up ramming his 1997 Chevy half-ton into the rear of an unmarked police cruiser. The car sustained $2,000 in damage. There were no injuries. After arresting a man, police searched the truck. They found nine firearms - rifles and shotguns, including one sawed-off shotgun - along with pepper spray. They also found methamphetamines, ecstasy and cocaine worth roughly $2,200 on the street. Duncan Capustinsky, 41, faces 36 firearm and drug-related charges. Meanwhile, the city police Air-1 chopper helped cops track down an armed robbery suspect on Tuesday night. The chopper tracked a suspect from the area around 102 Street and 107 Avenue around 10:15 p.m., and spotted him through the infrared camera throwing a bundle into a dumpster. Patrol members caught a suspect and retrieved a stolen wallet and other items. Less than 15 minutes later, Air-1 spotted an erratic driver in the area of 123 Street and Tower Road. Pearl/Velma Sharphead, 44, is charged with robbery. Christopher/Lloyd Manderville, 28, is charged with impaired driving. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:21:44 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: TWO NABBED IN SHOOTING PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2004.12.09 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 22 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TWO NABBED IN SHOOTING - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Two men have been charged in connection with a Dec. 6 drive-by shooting that targeted a vehicle carrying a two-year-old boy. The men were arrested at a home near 200 Street and 69 Avenue on Tuesday. Police say they recovered a firearm and crack cocaine while executing the warrant. City police gang unit investigators believe the shooting incident was drug-related. Just before 9 p.m. Monday, a 23-year-old man driving a Toyota Highlander parked at a restaurant at Yellowhead Trail and 127 Street for what cops say was a prearranged meeting. Police said the driver spotted a suspicious vehicle and left the parking lot. He turned onto 126 Street from 125 Avenue where two other vehicles were parked. Four men were standing outside one of the vehicles and four shots were fired at the Highlander, police said. Three bullets struck the SUV. The Highlander swerved around the two vehicles and took off. Also in the vehicle were the man's 20-year-old sister, her two-year-old son and a teenage girl. Nobody was injured. Bradford Jethon, 28, is charged with possession of drugs for the purpose of trafficking, possession of a firearm, and attempting to wound with a firearm. Lucas Malic, 24, is charged with possession of stolen property under $5,000. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:22:07 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Texas trucker held on gun charges PUBLICATION: Montreal Gazette DATE: 2004.12.09 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PNAME: Montreal PAGE: A7 COLUMN: Fast Track SOURCE: The Gazette - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Texas trucker held on gun charges - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A Texas-based truck driver wanted on a Canada-wide arrest warrant for child abduction was nabbed in Montreal for allegedly attempting to sell handguns here, Montreal police say. Robert George Farnsworth, 44, of Rockville, Tex., and Stephane Falardeau, 29, were charged with possession of prohibited firearms, unauthorized possession of a prohibited weapon, possession of weapons for the purpose of trafficking, and knowingly importing unauthorized weapons. Both remain behind bars after being denied bail. Farnsworth purchased 29 handguns legally at a trade show in Texas and drove up to Montreal, police say. On Nov. 28, a Canada-wide arrest warrant was issued for Farnsworth on a child abduction charge. The child has since been found. The pair were arrested Dec. 1 in St. Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:22:38 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: 'REVOLVING DOOR' SUSPECT HAD BEEN FREE ON BAIL WHILE READING THIS STORY REMEMBER: FEDERAL FIREARMS COMMISSIONER ADMITS: 176,000 PROHIBITED GUN OWNERS "NO LONGER EFFECTIVELY COVERED BY FIREARMS ACT" http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article473.htm PUBLICATION: The Winnipeg Sun DATE: 2004.12.09 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 2 BYLINE: NATALIE PONA, COURTS REPORTER - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 'REVOLVING DOOR' SUSPECT HAD BEEN FREE ON BAIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jagjit (Bobby) Singh Saran was banned from owning weapons and was free on bail charged with another shooting when he allegedly gunned down his uncle Tuesday night, court records show. About 4:40 p.m. Tuesday, Saran allegedly shot 40-year-old Darshan Brar at the uncle's home at 96 Kenville Cres. It was Winnipeg's 33rd homicide of 2004. SERIOUS BUT STABLE CONDITION The police hunt for a suspect stretched across the northern part of Winnipeg on Tuesday night. It ended when Saran, 34, shot himself in the face following a standoff at the Sikh temple on Mollard Road. He was in serious but stable condition yesterday. Saran's record dates back to 1990. It includes convictions for robbery and firearms offences for which he was sentenced to prison. In 1991 and 1995, judges imposed court orders prohibiting him from possessing weapons. At the time of Tuesday night's killing, Saran was out on bail. He was scheduled to face a preliminary court hearing in June 2005 for allegedly firing a shotgun at three women in the Maples on July 28, 2003. Yesterday, Tory justice critic Gerald Hawranik accused the NDP government of creating a "revolving door" justice system. "It's a catch-and-release system," Hawranik said. "Time and time again, dangerous people are being let out on bail." The Crown had opposed Saran's bail, said a spokeswoman for Manitoba Justice. Justice Minister Gord Mackintosh was not available for comment yesterday. 'JUST BROKE DOWN CRYING' One of the women Saran allegedly shot at in July 2003 said she was shaken to learn he has been accused of the latest murder. "When I heard his name on the news I just broke down crying," said the woman, who asked not to be named. "He shouldn't have been out on the street to start with. "I don't know if I hope he dies. I don't know if I hope he lives," she said. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:23:33 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: First Ever Victim Services Survey Statistics Canada Thursday, December 9, 2004 Victim Services Survey 2002/2003 Victim service agencies across Canada helped almost 360,000 people affected by crime in 2002/03, according to a first-ever survey. http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/041209/d041209a.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:41:05 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Translation of MP Cullen Letters Re: "Throwing good millions after bad," by Lorne Gunter (Opinion, Dec. 3). Gunter suggests the federal government does not intend to hold the line on overall costs of the firearms program. We are committed to reducing costs wherever possible. OF COURSE THEY ARE COMMITTED..THEY TOLD US SO..WE BELIEVE THEM DONT WE? For instance, whereas costs for the Canada Firearms Centre have been reduced to $103 million in 2003-04 , they will decline a further $18 million in 2005-06. JUST LIKE IT WAS SUPPOWED TO COST 2 MILLION, WE BELIEVE YOU GUYS..ARE THESE THE SAME GUYS WHO SQUANDERED 250 MILLION IJN ADSCAM...WE BELIEVE THEM DONT WE As to his concerns about components of the program not being fully implemented, let me clearly state the firearms system is operational and providing the services Canadians expect. THE SERVICES THEAT THE LIBERALS EXPECT, AS NO OTHER CANDIAN CAN GET ACCES TO OR INFO FROM THE SYSTEM...WONDER HOW MANY GHOST GUNST THER ARE AND HOW MANY BOGUS LICENSES ARE ISSUED...YEP ITS WORKING AS EVERY LIBERAL EXPECTS Licensing and registration of millions of gun owners and firearms is complete and police are consulting the firearms information system thousands of times each week. A REAL GOOD TRY THEY ACCESS IT THOUSANDS OF TIMES. SO COULD AN INMFINITE AMOUNT OF MONKEYS ON AN INFINITE AMOUHNT OF KEYBOARDS...PROBLEM IS THEY CANT TELL US HOW THEY ACCESS IT AND WHAT FOR...BUT HEY ITS WORTH TWO BILLION RIGHT...ITS GOT TO BE GOOD The firearms centre has already produced more than 1,100 affidavits this year to support the prosecution of firearms-related crime, while approximately 12,000 individual firearms licences have been refused or revoked to date by firearms officers. WHICH IS IT REFUSED OR REVOKED 12,000. HOW MANY WERE CLEARED TO GET A LICENSE AFTER THE INVESTIGATION WERE DONE...SEEMS TO ME PERHAPOS CATCHING A FEW CRIMINALS AND GIVING THEM A BAN ON GUN OWNERSHIP DOESNT REALLY WORK We are implementing new measures including regulations announced recently to improve service delivery, increase cost-efficiency and streamline processes. These will be phased in over the coming years to give those affected the necessary time to implement the changes. tHE AVERAGE JOE IS TUCK WITH THIS MESS, AND THE AVERAGE JOE WILL TELL YOU THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN, HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF GUYNS NOT VERIFIED, GHOST GUNS IN THE SYSTEM, INNACURATRE DATA AND GENERAL GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT. FOR TWO BILLION, IS HAS BEEN A MONUMENT TO lIBERAL MISMANAGEMENT SINCE ITS INCEPTION AND IMPLEMENTATION. JUST LIKE THE LIBERALSA USE THE 14 WOMEN FROM POLYTECHNIQUE , THE FIREARMS REGISTRY SHALL FOREVER LINK THE LIBERALS WITH CORRUPTIUON, GROSS FINANCIAL MISMANAGEMENT AND THE INABILITY TO COME CLEAN WITH THE CANADIAN TAXPAYERS Gunter can criticize the system if he chooses. But if he wants to criticize the phase-in of improvements, I suggest he cannot have it both ways. AS USUAL THE LIBERAL SHILLS COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK WHEN THEY SEE THEIR PET REGISTRYT ON THE ROCKS. I DO NOTICE THAT CULLEN DOES NOT ADDRESS THE CIVIL RIGHTS AND CHARTER RIGHTS THAT C-68 VIOLATES. THEN AGAIN WHEN HAS A LIBERAL EVER CONCERNED THEMSELVES WITH OUR RIGHTS. "HOW FAR WOULD YOU GO" JUST WATCH ME (TRUDEAU ANOTHER LIBERAL) Roy Cullen, MP, Etobicoke North ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:05:56 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: McLELLAN DUCKS GUN REGISTRY QUESTIONS House of Commons Debates Thursday, December 9, 2004 ORAL QUESTION PERIOD Unedited copy - not official until printed in Hansard * * * Mr. Daryl Kramp (Prince Edward-Hastings, CPC): Mr. Speaker, taxpayers' money is just simply too precious to be wasted on the $1 billion gun registry boondoggle. Two current Liberal ministers and numerous other Liberal members are on record as joining the majority of Canadians in calling for the elimination of this ineffective program. We have an opportunity this evening to put an end to this abuse. I ask the Prime Minister, will his government follow the lead of the Conservative Party and hold a true, free vote so that all members can represent their constituents and finally scrap this wasteful, ineffective gun registry? Hon. Anne McLellan (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Lib.): Mr. Speaker-- Some hon. members: Oh, oh. The Speaker: Order, please. The poor member for Prince Edward--Hastings asked a question and now he cannot hear the answer. No one can hear the answer. The hon. Deputy Prime Minister has the floor. Everyone wants to hear the answer, including the member for Prince Edward--Hastings. Hon. Anne McLellan: I am not so sure about that, Mr. Speaker. The gun control program, in all its aspects, is an important part of our public safety agenda as the Government of Canada. Let me remind hon. members that we have had over seven million guns registered in this country. Police have made over three million queries to the Canadian firearms information system. Our gun control program is increasing safety in this country. It is a valuable tool for front line police officers. It is keeping-- The Speaker: The hon. member for Essex. * * * Mr. Jeff Watson (Essex, CPC): Mr. Speaker, a December 1 bust in Montreal turned up a gun smuggling ring across our border with the U.S. A cache of handguns, automatic weapons and 642 rounds of ammunition for their immediate use passed by border officials without detection on a day when border security was supposed to be on highest alert. These weapons could also have entered through one of our many unmanned border crossings. Will the Prime Minister admit his failure to protect Canadians and redirect money from a rifle registry to the RCMP to combat gun smuggling? Hon. Anne McLellan (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Lib.): In fact, Mr. Speaker, we have invested now well over $8 billion in the national security of this country. It was the Prime Minister who created the Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness. It was the Prime Minister who decided we should have a new border agency, the Canadian Border Services Agency. That agency is doing a first class job on the front lines in terms of keeping Canadians safe and working with our American allies to keep them safe. * * * ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #615 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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