From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #629 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, December 13 2004 Volume 07 : Number 629 In this issue: 19-year-old charged in fatal machete attack Column: Animal Antics CFC - SPECIAL BULLETIN FOR POLICE - No. 62 Floyd Nattrass Re: Experts pan new national sex registry Re: Column: Animal Antics Fw: Wise Decision?? Re: Floyd Nattrass Letters to the Editor, Low Down to Hull Another Registry Give Ur a fair shake CBC: Politics forces Yukon MP to vote for gun registry Mystery shrouds millennium fund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:14:22 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: 19-year-old charged in fatal machete attack PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2004.12.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: WestCoast News PAGE: B3 COLUMN: Law and Order SOURCE: Canadian Press DATELINE: PRINCE GEORGE - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nineteen-year-old faces manslaughter charge in fatal machete attack - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PRINCE GEORGE - RCMP have made an arrest in the murder of a 20-year-old man who was killed in a machete attack in a parking lot in October. Brent Melanson died as a result of a severe throat wound after an altercation in the parking lot of a fast food outlet on Oct. 30. Cameron Alexander Miller, 19, was charged Thursday with manslaughter and released from custody under strict bail conditions. Miller is to return to court on Jan. 5. RCMP said there were more than two parties to the altercation and further charges may be pending as the investigation continues. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:14:40 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Column: Animal Antics WESTERN STANDARD Monday, 6 December 2004 Animal Antics By Marnie Ko http://www.westernstandard.ca/website/index.cfm?page=article&article_id=450 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:15:45 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: CFC - SPECIAL BULLETIN FOR POLICE - No. 62 CFC - SPECIAL BULLETIN FOR POLICE - No. 62 Regulatory Amendments Supporting the Firearms Act Snapshot The firearm reporting provisions in the Public Agents Firearms Regulations have been deferred until September 30, 2005. The regulations have been amended to streamline reporting requirements. Public agencies may request more than one Public Agency Identification Number to facilitate record-keeping and reporting of firearm inventory. Reporting requirements for new imports and firearms being transferred to another public agency have been clarified. Storage requirements for agency firearms have also been clarified. Processes for reporting firearms are being developed and you will be notified once the processes are finalized. http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/compliance/bulletins/police/bulletin62_e.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:16:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Linda Toews" Subject: Floyd Nattrass Obituaries (12/11/04) NATTRASS _ Floyd Caldwell January 2, 1918 - December 7, 2004 Champion trapshooter and Olympian, Floyd Nattrass, passed away Tuesday, December 7 in High River Hospital at 86. He is survived by his wife Marie; sons, Brian (Mary) and Gary (Caroline), daughter Susan; grandchildren, Sarah, Thomas and Lara; many nephews and nieces and family members; companion Bonnie; and cherished Jack Russell Terrier Taxi. Floyd lived life to the fullest, dedicated to his work initially with the RCMP followed by a lifetime career with GWG and his sport of trapshooting for the past fifty years. Being raised on a ranch in Southern Alberta, Floyd was an avid and expert hunter with a love of riding and rodeo. As a young man he was a Golden Gloves boxing champion. He pursued his passion for trapshooting as a tough competitor and excellent teacher. He represented Canada at the 1958, 1962 and 1969 World Championships, was a member of the 1964 Olympic team (Where he placed ninth), and won numerous Canadian championships. For his successes and contribution to the sport, he was inducted into the Alberta Trapshooting Hall of Fame. A Memorial Service in Floyd's honour will be held at Scarborough United Church on Saturday, December 11, 2004 at 1:00 p.m. In lieu of flowers, please make a contribution to the Alberta Institute for Wildlife Conservation, Box 68, Madden, Alberta T0M 1L0. Calgary Herald, Area Code 403 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:17:44 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Experts pan new national sex registry - ----- Original Message ----- From: ; "Garry - Assistant 1" To: Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: Experts pan new national sex registry > > > PUBLICATION: The Leader-Post (Regina) > DATE: 2004.12.13 > EDITION: Final > SECTION: News > PAGE: B3 > BYLINE: Jana G. Pruden > SOURCE: Leader-Post > > "What's important to realize is that sex offenders need constant care, > they need to be able to deal with their urges and their > pre-dispositions, and you can't put things in the way of that. If the > sex offender registry is perceived by offenders as some sort of > excessive harassment by society in general, in some ways it's not a good > thing." > Three times and out as I said before ? The second time ?mandatory castration or in the case of female offenders ? removal of the ovaries .Mandatory. The third time ? Out of the gene pool. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:18:15 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Column: Animal Antics - ----- Original Message ----- From: ; "Garry - Assistant 1" To: Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:14 PM Subject: Column: Animal Antics > WESTERN STANDARD > Monday, 6 December 2004 > > Animal Antics > By Marnie Ko > > http://www.westernstandard.ca/website/index.cfm?page=article&article_id=450 JUST READ THE ARTICLE , VERY LONG AND DAMNING AGAINST ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS. As far as I`m concerned the ONLY rights animals held in captivity have?, is to be humanely treated, which means adequate SHELTER, food, water and medical attention when required.\ Then send them off to the slaughter house if thats what they were bred for . In my opinion I dont think theres a decent hunter or shooter in this group who doesnt desire to make his kills as quick and cleanly as possibe with the least amount of suffering to be endured by any species. In the case of bird hunters ?, which I was ?, myself ,before I couldnt walk anymore ? I think it should be MANDATORY to have a trained retriever < esprecially in the case of water fowl hunters . I speak from personal experience, always having had a trained birddog ,and that allowed me to get winged birds that I couldnt have FOUND (IN THE CASE OF PHEASANTS AND GROUSE )in tall grass and deep woods, or in the case of water fowl? many would have been lost in an injured manner without the services of my faithful dogs. Now before anybody starts in on me about making sure of your shot before pulling the trigger?I always did , but not being an Annie Oakley I did ,more often than I wanted to,critically wound birds unintentionally, and as I said ? the trained bird dog was a welcome asset, not only to put more game in the bag sooner ,but to prevent undue suffering of wounded birds. I have even gone into the marsh at Longpoint Ontario on the off-shooting days and picked up live wounded birds shot by other hunters that they could not or would not retreive due to lack of a decent dog. I would say, conservatively speaking that at least 25 % of the birds shot and wounded at Long Point Marsh.are lost, because of poor shooters and no dog. I would like to see the animal rights activists spend as much of their own money as I did over the last 30 odd years of hunting birds,to acquire ,feed, and train birddogs. I didnt ask for handouts from the public as that would be demeaning and I didnt want anybody elses money in any case, so when these perverts start using their own money then they can truly say they are animal rights activists ? , other wise they are nothing more than TV evangelist thieves like Benny Hinn. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:01:32 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Hill" Subject: Fw: Wise Decision?? Sent to the local papers in Halifax today. Jim Hill Fletchers Lake - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hill" To: "The Editor Halifax Herald" Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: Wise Decision?? > To the Editor, > > Robert Thibault has the audacity to accuse Peter MacKay of hypocrisy and > attempting to undermine public safety in Canada when he spoke about > cutting > funding to the over bloated gun registry, "Wise decision-Voice of the > people, > 11 Dec 2004." This accusation from a member of the party that has lied > about > everything from the rationale and benefits of the establishment of the > registry and it's cost to the taxpayer, rings hollow indeed. > > The whole program was to cost the taxpayers two million dollars to > implement > and run. Now with the costs rising toward two billion dollars and 100 > million dollars a year to operate, the Liberals continue to hide costs > in other departments as they were caught doing during the Auditor > General's > investigation. > They state they have taken steps to address that. One of those steps was > cutting the AG's budget to ensure she would not have the resources to > continue the investigation. > > As far as the timing of the motion, there is nothing wrong with it. The > Liberals and the anti-gun groups climbed unashamedly over the bodies of > these women in Montreal to ram a law through Parliament which they knew > full well would have never passed if the emotion was removed and logic > took over. They had to strike while the iron was hot, even though they > knew that if the law had been in place prior to the killings in Montreal, > it would have done nothing > to stop it. They return year after year to symbolically dip into the > blood of > these women to hold aloft, in an attempt to ensure reason never gets a > grip > on emotion. > > Thibault's statement regarding the declines in murders, robberies, etc., > has > nothing to do with the registry as these numbers were on the decline years > prior to the inception of this money sucking useless black hole known as > the > registry. > > If Mr. Thibault wants to look at hypocrisy, he should look at the life > threatening practices of his own party such as the cancellation of the > EH-101 helicopters, the rust bucket submarines, the gutting of health > care, > etc. The rallying cry for the registry was "if it saves one life, it's > worth it" They have been unable to prove it has saved any lives, but, it, > along with each of the other decisions I referred to has cost lives. > > Who is the hypocrite now, Mr. Thibault? > > Jim Hill > Fletchers Lake, NS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:01:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim S." Subject: Re: Floyd Nattrass Linda - Thanks for posting this. I first met Floyd Nattrass while trap-shooting in the 1980's at the Calgary Trap and Skeet Club, at DeWinton, Alberta. He was a regular fixture around the club, and while I didn't know him well, he was obviously an avid sportsman and a dedicated shooter. He lived to a pretty good age, and he exerted a huge influence in the Calgary and area clay-target sports. All-in-all, he was friendly, approachable, and a good role model for new shooters. Jim Szpajcher St. Paul, AB > > Obituaries (12/11/04) > > NATTRASS _ Floyd Caldwell January 2, 1918 - December 7, 2004 Champion > trapshooter and Olympian, Floyd Nattrass, passed away Tuesday, > December 7 in High River Hospital at 86. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:02:59 -0600 (CST) From: Kean St-Jean Subject: Letters to the Editor, Low Down to Hull This is to inform the following digest members that their letters to the Editor of the Low Down to Hull with regards to anti-hunting were printed. Of the nine letters in the section, 7 were pro-hunting with the two others not related. I'd like to thank the following people for taking the time to write and congratulate them on some fine letter writing. I think the point was made; well done. M.J Ackerman MD; John Stamp; Barry Glasgow & Todd Birch. Send me your email address and I'll forward a scanned image of your letter. I've scanned the letters into a B&W image if you wish to examine the amount of editing that was done to you submission. I must say that although a good deal of my letter was removed, the editor did a fine job of keeping it true to the theme. I'm amazed that she allowed my crack about Mrs. Butler being a cur. you would think an editor would know what a cur was. ;-) Cheers, Kean kean.st.jean@sasktel.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:05:44 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Another Registry Re: MP Art Hangers proposal for a Domestic Violence Offender Registry. I lobbied for a Violent Offender Registry at a CPC Policy Conference and it was not supported. Female participants, especially, argued that it would detract and distract citizens from the Sex Offender Registry (SOR). I attempted to convince other delegates that much violence including gun crimes, assaults, robberies, home invasions and most domestic violence incidents do not result in offender posting to the SOR and there was no existing method of tracking these persons once they complete any parole requirements. > An August 2004 National Parole Board Appeal report says Ballerini, 49, > remains an "untreated sex offender with features of sadism" and is a > "high risk to reoffend violently." > But it won't be Joseph Ballerini who walks through the gates of Bowden > Institution to freedom. In jail in 2000, Ballerini changed his name to > Anthony Morgan Dore. Clearly this person, by clinical diagnosis and history of convictions would be included on the SOR and would be included on any Violent Offender Registry. Have I not read of restrictions placed on such persons banning name changes? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:06:04 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Give Ur a fair shake I thought this was fairly straightforward. >> Send MP Rose-Marie Ur a note congratulating her on her courage for >> withstanding the pressure to cow to the Party Line from the Liberal >> caucus. > >> Rose-Marie has solidly supported the law abiding firearm owners since >> 1995 in expressing the futility of any positive Firearm's Act outcomes. > >> You can reach her via > > Perhaps, perhaps not so fast. I looked over the list of which MP voted > for what concerning funding for the gun registry. I cannot find any > reference for Madam Ur voting against. I would conclude therefore > Madam Ur abstained from the vote. Unless I am missing something I > believe congratulations are to be sent to those who show up! In our Parliamentary (Party based) form of government this is not responsive to the reality of H of C 'rules' - unless you want to get booted out of caucus - like the Dubya stomping former Liberal, Carolyn Parrish. (I think the last time I checked, the Reform/Canadian Alliance/CPC had the greatest number of MPs trashed from Party ranks. The current outcast, Cadman, is a three-time loser). Any member considering going down this road must consider that s/he was elected as a member of the Party s/he stood for at the last election - not as an Independent. Members of the H of C have expressed allegiance for firstly a Party and secondly their Country. (??? but not the Queen). If a Member can't accept the overwhelming majority of a Party's platform then they should resign and find a better fit - like Scott Brisson with joining the Liberals and the PC Members who said they did when they joined the CPC. (Remember all the folks who said Brisson would be toast in the next election)? MPs need to have their nomination papers approved by the Party (Leader) and need to access Party resources for election campaigns and for many Riding fundraising ventures. If one refuses to buy into Party discipline (and only the naive can't believe it doesn't exist in the CPC - it was very apparent during the last election campaign) than one must run on an Independent candidate's slate. (It was the 'late' application of caucus 'discipline - that resulted in the loose cannons - nix to bilingualism, same-sex marriage and ill defined 'gun registry' talk, that appeared to cost the CPC critical seats in the last election). I'll bet a whole bunch of gun owners fire off 'good ole boy' notes to two-faced Roger Gallaway for his hollow grandstand play. I have sent my note to MP Ur because she and Paul Steckle, Huron-Bruce are the best line of defense Canada's gun owners have within the Government of Canada. (And, she is also an MP from vote rich Ontario). Ur and Steckle stood true to form. They did not support the registry funding motion - and in Ur's case she had the balls to 'show up' and place a counter-Motion before the House. I can only guess at the harangue from the Liberal caucus that Ur got from Martin, McLelland and others over Gallaway's maneuver plus her Private Members motion. Ms. Ur gets the tip of the hat from me. There are two ways a Member can indicate dissent with legislation. One, vote contrary to caucus discipline And against a particular Bill, and two, refuse to buckle to Party discipline and not show for the vote on a whipped Bill as this latest funding motion, central to Party philosophy, would have been. Rose-Marie Ur tipped the scales of dissent even more via her counter-motion to shift any funding from the long gun registry to addressing the real causes of violent domestic crime. You may also recall some debate about whether the registry 'money' motion fell into the category of a 'money-confidence' vote category. Also understand, there may be another simple explanation for Ur and Steckle's vote. They may have been 'excused' from the House and a 'vote against conscience' by the Party whip as paired Members - with MPs another Party - who supported the funding and wanted/needed to be absent from the House at the time/on the day of the vote. Party whips make these arrangements all the time to avoid 'embarrassments' for Members and Parties. Until the RFC can get its act together, until we can awaken 50 thousand gun owning citizens of Canada to flood the membership lists of the two major Parties, I'll recognize the good work these two MPs have done on every Bill and Motion since 1st reading on C-68. > Ur's motion -M-205 - December 9, 2004 - Mrs. Ur > (Lambton-Kent-Middlesex) - On or after Thursday, December 23, 2004 - > That, in the opinion of the House, the government should abandon > immediately the registry of non-restricted firearms and divert any > resources freed thereby to programs that address the root causes of > violent domestic crime. You may note that Ur has correctly identified the 'long gun' registry as the 'bone' of contention. I have been pleading with the CPC to do similarly since during the fed campaign nose dive. Until Harper clarifies what the CPC intends, Ontario urbanites and rural Red Tories see the potential end of all form of gun control and a U.S. styled regime. It won't sell. I did not mention in my review of 'The Vote' that of Liberals voting for registry funding MP Joe Comuzzi, Thunder Bay-Superior, is Minister (Secretary of State) for Northern Ontario and MP Andy Mitchell, Parry Sound-Muskoka (not previously mentioned) is the Agr Min. Both have supported the RFC in the past. But, one does not accept a Cabinet posting from the Prime Minister and then refuse to obey caucus discipline. You resign! Rumour has Comuzzi not voting with his Party over the same-sex marriage issue. It is my recollection that he also voted against C-68 at 3rd reading but he was not in Cabinet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:07:10 -0600 (CST) From: Dennis Young Subject: CBC: Politics forces Yukon MP to vote for gun registry CBC NORTH Politics forces Yukon MP to vote for gun registry WebPosted Dec 13 2004 09:03 AM CST http://north.cbc.ca/regionalnews/caches/bagnell-guns-12132004.html WHITEHORSE - Yukon MP Larry Bagnell says he had to choose the Liberal Party line last week when presented with a chance to cut off funding for Canada's gun registry office. A Conservative party motion gave MP's a chance to vote on withholding money for the controversial firearms registry. Bagnell says he knows how Yukoners feel about the billion-dollar gun registry. "Some of them feel passionate against it that's why when we had the vote last year I voted against it," he says. But Bagnell says this time his hands were tied by party politics. "You always vote for the estimates, you just always vote for all of them that is how the system works," he says. Bagnell says he'll continue to fight against the gun registry. But he says he couldn't vote against a budget that has given Yukoners other benefits, like increased health funding. "The government has been incredibly good to the Yukon and their budget package is exceedingly generous and I am very happy with the estimates and what is coming to the Yukon," he says. Bagnell says he's told his party Yukoners don't want the registry but he says Liberal MP's from urban ridings say their constituents do want gun control. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:16:42 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Mystery shrouds millennium fund http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Artic le_Type1&c=Article&cid=1102893009118&call_pageid=970599119419 Mystery shrouds millennium fund LES WHITTINGTON OTTAWA BUREAU OTTAWA - The results of a $150-million federal-spending program involving Alfonso Gagliano in the late 1990s remain shrouded in mystery, according to parliamentary researchers who dug into the history of the Millennium Bureau of Canada. The bureau, which sponsored activities across Canada to celebrate the arrival of year 2000, was headed by then-deputy prime minister Herb Gray. But requests for funding by MPs were funnelled through then-public works minister Gagliano's office, where aides were told not to keep a public record in departmental files of the paperwork, according to testimony before a parliamentary committee. This secretive approach raised alarm bells among opposition MPs, who noted that Gagliano was a key figure in the sponsorship initiative, a separate $250-million program that is mired in scandal after federal auditors found widespread irregularities and possible waste of millions in taxpayers' dollars in the 1990s. The millennium bureau, which operated for three years, provided partial financial support for 1,745 cultural, arts, civic and environmental projects in every province. But it was disbanded at the end of 2001, and only the most basic information on how it spent $150 million is publicly available today. Responding to a request from the New Democrats, parliamentary researchers found that in 2001 the bureau earmarked $500,000 to conduct assessments and audits to ensure the sponsored projects were completed and complied with the funding agreements the project organizers made with Ottawa. But researchers could find no evidence the audit was done or, if one was done, that the results were ever seen by the federal Treasury Board, which acts as a spending watchdog for government departments, according to NDP MP David Christopherson (Hamilton Centre). In its 2000-2001 performance report, the bureau said it would use its final report the following year to assess the effectiveness of the three-year project: "The department will report on the achievements of strategic priorities with regard to compliance with federal directives and mandatory reporting requirements prior to terminating the (millennium) program and the bureau's closure in the 2001-02 performance report." But, despite promising to do so, the bureau never published a final report, researchers found. In light of the mismanagement of the sponsorship program, Christopherson says the government needs to provide Canadians with information on how the $150 million for millennium activities was dispersed and if the projects were completed. "We need to make sure that the audit that was budgeted for was done," he said. "And, secondly, we need to get some sense of what happened in the bureau to satisfy ourselves that things were done in a proper fashion." Christopherson, who is a member of the Commons Public Accounts committee, said he would like to see a government official with knowledge of the millennium bureau's history testify before the committee. The testimony should be given "just to satisfy ourselves that there is nothing untoward here," he said. Conservative MP John Williams (Edmonton-St. Albert), the chair of the committee, also is calling for a probe of the activities of the millennium bureau, which he has said wasted large amounts of taxpayers' money. And Public Works Minister Scott Brison says the Liberal government is counting on the committee to do so. Federal government officials have been unable to shed much light on the operations of the program, including where the records of its three years of activity are now. Gray, who ran the project, has not been available for an interview. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #629 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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