From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #642 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, December 18 2004 Volume 07 : Number 642 In this issue: Re: Some Grits eyeing Sgro's job Re: Toronto police chief says teens are out of control Man shot dead in street Re: CFD V7 #637 "Column: Firearm Figures" Egil Gjelland of Norway takes pursuit for first World Cup biathlon Era of Liberal dominance comes to grinding halt with few signs of Public will have last word, Gomery vows Re Gun Show Re: Buying Canadian or ordering from US Re: Can Taxpayers Federation v McGuinty Liberals ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:30:41 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: Some Grits eyeing Sgro's job > OTTAWA (CP) - A stripper scandal has ambitious Liberals eyeing the job of > Immigration Minister Judy Sgro on their hopes she will be dumped from > cabinet. - -snip- Funny enough, I would have thought Ujjal Dosanjh would have been a natural fit for the Immigration position. After all, Dosanjh was the young lawyer who had the crap beat out of him by Sikh extremist. My guess is this guy knows a bit about the refuge system gone wrong. __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:31:10 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: Toronto police chief says teens are out of control > Toronto police chief says teens are out of control It about cause and effect really. The youth offenders act provides no consequences and the effect is no control. The latest twist on this stupidity is the latest balloon, lowering the voting age to 16. Oh ya, real bright ! __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:48:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Man shot dead in street http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/cityplus/story.html?id=7 8f1e288-3b06-453d-be7a-d4e422f4d2da Man shot dead in street Police pursue leads in west-end apartment building slaying Archie McLean and Florence Loyie The Edmonton Journal Friday, December 17, 2004 CREDIT: Chris Schwarz, The Journal City police forensic unit officers investigate the murder scene at 152nd St. and 100th Ave. on Thursday morning. EDMONTON - Homicide detectives will be back today door-knocking in a westend neighbourhood where a young man was gunned down outside an apartment building early Thursday. Investigators hope to find someone who may have seen the gunman as he fled south from the apartment building at 15216 100th Ave. where the shooting took place. So far the only witness police have is a resident inside the building who reported hearing gunshots at 6:20 a.m., but did not see the actual shooting, said police spokesman Dean Parthenis. The resident apparently came out of the building to investigate and saw the victim lying outside near the stairs leading to the north entrance. The resident refused to speak to reporters, saying he feared for his safety. An autopsy on the victim is scheduled for today at 9 a.m. Police believe they know who the victim is because identification was found on the body, but there was no photo ID, said Parthenis. No name will be released until it has been confirmed by the medical examiner, Parthenis said. The victim is the city's 27th homicide of the year. All morning, the young man's body lay where he fell as police canvassed the neighbourhood looking for witnesses. The victim still had on the backpack he was wearing and beside him sat a black Club Monaco shopping bag. The building's owner said the man did not live there. "I've never seen the gentleman and nobody knows where he lived. He certainly didn't reside at our place," said Rod Verrier, who owns the building with his father, Frank. Later in the day, a pair of homicide detectives walked across 152nd Street to an apartment building where they had the sad task of informing the victim's family of his death. The family refused to speak to reporters. The gang unit is helping with the investigation, but it is too early to say whether this shooting is linked to recent gang-related crimes, Parthenis said. The only description police have of a suspect is a man with dark hair and dark clothing who was seen running southbound from the scene down the alley between 153rd and 154th Streets. "There was somebody running in that direction, but we don't know if that's the suspect,'' Det. Ron Johnson said. Scott Leonard, who lives in an apartment across the street from the shooting scene, said he had been outside just minutes before to buy a newspaper and didn't see anything. He was sitting inside his apartment when he heard several gunshots ring out. "I was sitting at my window and heard these pops," he said. On the cement steps where the victim fell were reminders of Thursday's shooting -- scrapes in the concrete that were made by bullets. amclean@thejournal.canwest.com MURDER TOLL There have been 27 homicides so far this year in Edmonton. The last time there were that many was in 1990 and 1992. Here are the totals for the last five years: 2003: 17 2002: 24 2001: 23 2000: 19 1999: 18 Ran with fact box "Murder Toll", which has been appended to this story. © The Edmonton Journal 2004 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:48:32 -0600 (CST) From: Yvon Dionne Subject: Re: CFD V7 #637 "Column: Firearm Figures" Figures from following link (GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO BREITKREUZ'S ORDER PAPER QUESTION ON COSTS OF FIREARMS LICENCING AND REGISTRATION. http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article472.htm) do not support the Calgary Herald comment (see below) to the effect that registration costs are the greatest component of total costs. In fact, from 1995 to March 31, 2004, total licensing costs estimated amount to 495,8 million $, not 396 millions, compared to cumulative registration costs of 228,4 millions. The sum of the two components is 724,2 millions, 209,9 million $ less than the grand total of 934,1. That 209,9 millions are unallocated. From these figures, we cannot conclude that licensing is not costly, relatively (this is what Mr Scammell's comment implies: "only about a third") in particular if we consider that these are net costs, net of proceeds from firearms owners. We know that licensing was not and is not "free", unlike registration for most people... who registered. Yvon Dionne > Subject: Column: Firearm Figures > PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald > DATE: 2004.12.16 > COLUMN: Bob Scammell > "Now, lo and behold! Late in November, the government tabled figures > disclosing what it had previously denied: that the owner licensing part > of the gun control "package" in fact takes up only about a third -- $396 > million -- of the program's total cost of a billion dollars that have > been flushed down the program over the past nine years." > > bscam@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:53:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Egil Gjelland of Norway takes pursuit for first World Cup biathlon victory Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Skiing/2004/12/17/787565-ap.html From Canoe Egil Gjelland of Norway takes pursuit for first World Cup biathlon victory OSTERSUND, Sweden (AP) - Egil Gjelland of Norway won the first World Cup biathlon event of his career Friday, beating Russia's Sergei Rozhkov in a men's 12.5-kilometre pursuit. Gjelland clinched it by shooting clean from a standing position at the last range, while Rozhkov missed once and was forced to ski a penalty lap. Gjelland covered the race, held on an illuminated track in northern Sweden, in 34 minutes 0.21 seconds. He missed one target. Rozhkov, who had two misses overall, was 18.8 seconds behind. "I knew that Rozhkov blew it on the last shooting station and that gave me the upper hand," Gjelland said. "I knew that I led on the last lap, it was nice to know. I had very good skis." Gjelland, a 31-year-old from the Norwegian alpine ski resort of Voss, finished eighth Thursday in the 10K sprint, the first part of the pursuit. Raphael Poiree of France, the defending World Cup overall champion, was 37.3 seconds behind in third place after missing three targets. Robin Clegg of Ottawa was 27th. Poiree leads the overall standings with 292 points after seven of 27 events. Germany's Sven Fischer, who wound up 13th, is second (244), Eckhoff third (234) and Ole Einar Bjorndalen of Norway is fourth (223). Gjelland moved to ninth (169). Bjorndalen, a five-time Olympic champion, skipped the meet because he's competing in World Cup cross-country ski races this weekend at Ramsau, Austria. The meet, which continues through Sunday, is part of an 18-race, three-meet swing in Norway and Sweden. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:56:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Era of Liberal dominance comes to grinding halt with few signs of resurgence Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca http://www.canada.com/news/national/story.html?id=e289b23f-3117-4beb-9726-18 7d7cbf492b Era of Liberal dominance comes to grinding halt with few signs of resurgence Alexander Panetta Canadian Press Friday, December 17, 2004 OTTAWA (CP) - One rookie prime minister, one new opposition party and one patronage scandal have aligned themselves to trigger disarray in Canada's cozy Liberal universe. The political surprise of 2004 now becomes the burning question for 2005: was the Liberal plunge to minority status a one-time blip or a turning point? That uncertainty is reflected in the dampening of Liberal insiders' once-unflappable prediction of an election in 2005, made boldly right after the June election. After all, that's what Liberals have done for so long, winning majority governments with such apparent ease that the only real competition came during internal leadership battles. But they have been dealt yet another surprise: public opinion remains stalled and if an election were held in the new year there might well be a carbon copy of the results last June 28. The conditions that forced the Liberal drop remain solidly entrenched. A united Conservative party is still seeking but struggling to make inroads with eastern voters, the sponsorship scandal is still pummeling the government with daily negative headlines, and Paul Martin is still proving that the lustre of a "can't miss" leadership candidate can quickly dull in the prime minister's chair. Those factors should keep Canadians away from federal ballot boxes in 2005 barring an accident. "We're not thinking about an election," Martin told the CBC during a series of year-end TV interviews. "We are very clearly thinking about governing. And if an election happens, it will be because the opposition have triggered it." The opposition might not be interested. The Bloc Quebecois effortlessly captured 54 seats last June - its best election result since 1993. Leader Gilles Duceppe, once derided for his supposed lack of charisma, is now heralded as a potential Quebec premier and successor to Parti Quebecois Leader Bernard Landry. It's amazing what a $250 million sponsorship scandal will do. That grenade detonated in February when Auditor General Sheila Fraser described bizarre money transfers between Liberal-connected ad firms and the federal government. The sense of national outrage was summed up in a four-word banner headline that screamed across the front page of the Toronto Star: "Your Money, Their Friends." The disgust breathed new life into the fledgling Conservative party, revived the once-moribund Bloc Quebecois and promptly killed bold predictions of a 200-seat Paul Martin electoral romp. Martin declared himself "mad as hell" and embarked on a nationwide tour to share his ire with Canadians. He called a public inquiry, he blamed civil servants for the wrongdoing, then blamed Jean Chretien's inner circle, and finally he fired several who still had government jobs like Alfonso Gagliano and Jean Pelletier. Canadians were just as cross - and promptly aimed their daggers at the Liberals. Almost three dozen Liberal seats disappeared last June and the Conservatives were rewarded with 99 seats. "Canadians expected, and expect, more from us," a chagrined Martin said after the votes were counted. "As a party and as a government we must do better, and we will - I pledge that to you tonight." It could have been worse. Martin's campaign was salvaged by a feel-good election message touting Canadian "values" like the Charter of Rights and Freedoms The Conservatives were made the villains in a stark and devastating TV ad that painted them as pro-Iraq war, anti-abortion, anti-gun control and anti-environment. Stephen Harper - who won the new party's leadership early in the year - could only watch in frustration as some of his MPs played to perfection the stereotypes scripted by Liberal ad writers. The Conservative campaign was galloping along at an impressive clip until those MPs shot the legs out from Harper. An undeterred Harper moved towards the centre by embracing public health care, bilingualism, regional-development subsidies and by suddenly musing he might not support the U.S. missile-defence shield in a 2005 parliamentary vote. Harper's moderation is designed to appeal to voters in Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Canada, who overwhelmingly rejected him last June. The choice of Montreal as location for their founding policy convention this March was also made with the same intent. But Harper's determined effort to find support in Quebec is stymied by the Bloc's stranglehold on anti-Liberal votes there. Another challenge will be laid bare in three of the major debates of 2005: over same-sex marriage, marijuana decriminalization and Canada's participation in the U.S. missile shield. Conservative opposition to the first two and support for the latter will disqualify them in the eyes of many middle-of-the-road eastern voters who tilt farther to the left than Harper can ever move his party. But Harper points to topsy-turvy 2004 as evidence that he can defy skeptics again next year. "Last year there were some pollsters suggesting we would lose seats and Mr. Martin would win one of the largest majorities in Canadian history," he told the CBC. Any growth for the Conservatives could spell long-term trouble for the NDP. The last two weeks of the 2004 campaign were like a political-science lesson on the NDP's longstanding woes. Pollsters said the Conservative campaign surge frightened thousands of NDP voters into switching their votes to the Liberals. After a brief moment of glory on election night when it appeared they might hold the balance of power in a minority Parliament, the NDP ended up with a disappointing 19 seats. Struggling to remain relevant in the Harper-Martin showdown, rookie leader Jack Layton spent much of his campaign painting both men with the same fiscally conservative brush. "We've seen here that whatever progressive wing there was in the Liberal party was pushed out," Layton said. Martin chipped away at the NDP base with a left-leaning platform that has become central to the current government agenda: a national day-care program, $5 billion over five years for cities, and the $41 billion public health-care agreement he signed with the premiers last fall. Martin pointed to the health accord as proof he had a successful first year as prime minister. But one observer finds it laughable that getting provinces to accept $41 billion is a great political achievement. University of Toronto political scientist Nelson Wiseman said the federal government can't really enforce the health accord's guarantees that provinces will reduce hospital wait times. And he can't understand why most of Martin's major spending priorities lie in areas - health care, cities, education - where constitutionally Ottawa has no control. "At the end of the day, the federal government is responsible for aboriginals, the military and handing cheques to the provinces," Wiseman said. But that platform filled with popular spending objectives may have spared Martin's political hide. There are Liberals already waiting in the wings for him to replace him. Longstanding leadership tensions between Martin and Jean Chretien left the party in a state of perpetual civil war from which it is struggling to emerge. Even now Liberals accustomed to the sort of guerilla-style political tactics of the last few years are defiantly leaking details of weekly caucus meetings while Martin has been reduced to pleading with them - behind closed doors - to clam up. Those pleas were promptly leaked to the press. The prime minister's inner circle alienated many Liberals with an apparent attempt to purge anyone hostile to his leadership bid, which meant dumping Sheila Copps and denying riding nominations to others who had worked to sell memberships. The Martin-Chretien tug of war will begin anew in late January when both men tell their sides of the story before the sponsorship-scandal inquiry headed by Justice John Gomery. Martin has admitted he is responsible for some of his woes. He still hasn't appointed anyone to fill a vacant Senate seat, it took months to name two Supreme Court justices because of disagreements over minor changes to the nomination system, and a sweeping foreign-policy review expected last fall has been delayed to the new year while Martin spends the holidays examining it. "It's very clear that what I've got to do is to focus, and focus on really where the main priorities are," Martin told Global TV in a year-end interview. "That takes a certain amount of discipline, which I guess I'm learning to do." © The Canadian Press 2004 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 03:10:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Public will have last word, Gomery vows http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20041217/GOME RY17/TPNational/?query=gomery Public will have last word, Gomery vows Judge at centre of sponsorship inquiry reflects on four months of hearings By DANIEL LEBLANC Friday, December 17, 2004 - Page A5 OTTAWA -- Two things stuck in Mr. Justice John Gomery's craw in four months of hearings into the sponsorship scandal: lying witnesses and former prime minister Jean Chrétien's personalized golf balls. In an interview with The Globe and Mail, the head of the inquiry into the sponsorship program vowed to discover who was behind the wasted public funds in the government's sponsorship program, saying he is well aware the findings could prove "very harmful" to Prime Minister Paul Martin's career. But Judge Gomery said the truth will win out and Canadians will have the last word. He spoke carefully of the evidence before him, not revealing any preformed conclusions. Still, he showed little of the reserve that traditionally surrounds judges in Canada by speaking to the media in the middle of an explosive inquiry. Other lawyers at the inquiry have described Judge Gomery's public musings as "amazing," but the judge himself said yesterday that he is only stating the obvious. Over all, Judge Gomery told The Globe and Mail that he is troubled by the $100-million in commissions and fees that went to advertising firms from 1996 to 2002. He added, however, that details on small expenditures are sometimes even harder to swallow, such as Ottawa's decision to spend $1,200 to put Mr. Chrétien's signature on sporting equipment as part of a national-unity strategy. "It's such a disappointment that the prime minister of Canada would allow his name to be put on golf balls to be used at golf tournaments. That's really small-town cheap, you know, free golf balls," Judge Gomery said. In addition, Judge Gomery gave a clear warning to the heads of Crown corporations, former Liberal officials and advertising executives who are set to appear before him in the new year. "People hate to be lied to. Judges, too, hate being lied to." He added he has already dismissed some of the testimony before him, which came from dozens of current and retired bureaucrats, low-level political aides, other government officials and auditors. "There are some contradictions in the evidence that I haven't sorted out yet, but some people haven't told the truth. I'm confident that in the end, we will all know who those people are," he said. Judge Gomery said that those who attempt to mislead his commission do so at their own peril. He has no powers to lay criminal charges or make findings of civil liability, but the commission of inquiry can slam the reputations of those who abuse positions of power. "The truth is a tremendously powerful thing," he said. The commission of inquiry started its holiday break yesterday at the midpoint in its two-year schedule. Judge Gomery will gather with his family in coming days, go through his wine collection and listen to a bit of opera. He will then head out for a sunny getaway and come back rested for a job he loves. "I have the best seat in the house for the best show in town." The Commission of Inquiry into the Sponsorship Program and Advertising Activities, as it is officially called, was created on Feb. 10, the day Auditor-General Sheila Fraser released a damning report on the sponsorship program. The program has been the subject of allegations of political kickbacks and fraud, and Judge Gomery said he wants to find out who was involved and why. He hopes that at the end of the day, Canadians will have regained some confidence in public institutions. The findings may well affect the next election, but he said he's not running a political inquiry. "The report that we will eventually deposit might have more consequences for a minority government than for a majority government, but I'm really not paying all that much attention to that," he said. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:54:48 -0600 (CST) From: "dmwright" Subject: Re Gun Show GUN SHOW This Sunday Dec 19th, to be held at "Woodstock Fairgrounds" Ontario, From HWY # 401 Take HWY # 2 west to Woodstock, just five minutes into town watch for GUN SHOW signs on your right at either West Ave or McKenzie Ave, fairgrounds is one block over from HWY # 2. The show runs from 7:30 a.m. till 1 p.m. For more information please call 905-679-8812 before 9 p.m. thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:01:53 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Buying Canadian or ordering from US - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Ramsey" To: Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: Buying Canadian or ordering from US > > Our government will exact its pound of flesh no matter where we buy our > goods. > > I recently bought a Lee reloading press, dies etc. direct from the factory > in Wisconsin. > > What was a US total of $110.96, which included $4 for US shipping, came to > a total of $150.32 Canadian. > The difference was the exchange rate, GST, PST and Canada Customs handling > fee of $5. > > Maybe a two day trip to Port Huron is the way to go, if you live in SW > Ontario. > > A US post office box only costs $48.00 US a year .If you buy a lot of > stuff over there have it shipped to the PO box , and declare it on the way > back to Canada . Most times they allow $100.00+ back without paying Taxes .For two people... They seem more interested in alcohol and tobacco. When they ask you how long you`ve been over ? tell them as close to the minute as you can, because your licence plate is photographed when you cross, and your whole life history or whoever owns the car ? is displayed on their computer.and the exact time and date as well. I think if your honest about that they dont worry too much about what you bring back? ed/ontario > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:03:01 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Can Taxpayers Federation v McGuinty Liberals - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Jasper" To: Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:12 PM Subject: Can Taxpayers Federation v McGuinty Liberals > From the CTF. > >> Toronto: The Ontario Superior Court has released its decision in the >> matter of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and John Williamson and >> Dalton McGuinty, Greg Sorbara and the Crown in Right of Ontario. The >> application has been dismissed. >> >> The CTF was asking the court to determine whether the Ontario Health >> Tax violated the province's Taxpayer Protection Act (TPA) because it >> wasn't subject to a referendum. The court was also being asked to >> declare Mr. McGuinty in breach of the contract he signed with the CTF >> during last fall's election, the Taxpayer Protection Promise, wherein >> he promised not to raise taxes or run deficits and to respect the TPA.... > > > Darn . . . . I would have thought my favorite 'gov't must fulfill > promises' - Mt. Sinai Hospital v. Prov. of Quebec) Minister of Health > would have assured a win by the CTF. I guess 'election promises' don't > have to be kept. It's online under the SCC on CanLaw. > > [The case was largely initiated by McGuinty's 'Health Premium' - was > ruled 'a tax' by an labour arbitrator. Also, McGuinty failed to balance > the prov. budget - blaming the $5 - 6 Bil deficit left by the Ernie Eves > PCs.] Current Fin Min Greg Sorbara promises to balance the budget by > the end of the Liberals mandate. FROM RELIABLE SOURCES AT QUEENS PARK .THE ADED HEALTH TAX IS TO BE USED TO REBUILD TORONTOS SEWERS. 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