From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #661 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, December 27 2004 Volume 07 : Number 661 In this issue: [LETTER] (We can think of many justifiable criticisms of the gun Government study examines the economic value of outdoor industries, CTF v. McGuinty, et al - Decision Dr. Peter Adams letter to Examiner My letter to the Ottawa Sun Published letter re: Looking for study... 1100 affidavits Uninvited guests Baseline Article Dale Blue FW: ChronWatch Article, '''Gun Control: True Lies in San Weapons offences up Malvern on a slow mend Fraser might change style [COLUMN] It's all about revenge, not equality ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:43:41 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: [LETTER] (We can think of many justifiable criticisms of the gun registry, Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Letters Ottawa Sun December 26 It occurs to me that the Liberals' firearm registry seems to have done little to prevent this crime. It further appears as though it will do absolutely nothing to stop these heartless thieves from selling the guns to violent criminals. They can't sell them back to lawful users now, thanks to the registry. So it makes me wonder -- if the registry won't stop these thefts, and it can't stop stolen guns from being misused by criminals, and it guarantees that stolen guns will be sold to criminals, then wouldn't we be better off to scrap it and spend the 100 million dollar a year budget on more police and better law enforcement to keep these creeps off the streets and out of our homes to begin with? Warren Wall (We can think of many justifiable criticisms of the gun registry, but that it prevents people from selling stolen property to law-abiding citizens isn't one of them) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:21:01 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Government study examines the economic value of outdoor industries, The government of Quebec has just released a report detailing the economic value of outdoor industries . In total combined outdoor industries are worth $3 billion to the provincial economy. The entire report is available (in French) at: http://www.fapaq.gouv.qc.ca/fr/faune/faunenatureenchiffres.htm As part of a larger report concerning the economic value of outdoor industries in Quebec here is a quick look at hunting: http://www.fapaq.gouv.qc.ca/fr/faune/faunenatureenchiffres_chasse_synthese.h tm More than 700 000 Quebecers express an interest to take part take part in hunting activities or 12 % of the population. 408 000 individuals currently take part in this industry valued at $308 million. - -hunting activities account for 3322 jobs - - $87.3 million in salaries - - $157.3 million in other value added categories - - The governments take in the following revenues: Quebec $46 million Federal $37 million - - average expenditure by participant is $756 Participation is organized by age group with the large age group being in the 25 to 54 age group at 71% - - 44% of individuals interested in hunting reside in urban areas. - - 23 000 non residents hunters came to Quebec to hunt - - 4.8% of deer licenses were sold to non residents. I quote: IMAGINEZ SI LES QUELQUE 305 000 personnes intéressées mais ne chassant pas injectaient dans l'économie du Québec la dépense moyenne annuelle consacrée par chaque adepte. PLUS DE 230 M$ EN DÉPENSES ADDITIONNELLES. Quick translation: Imagine if the 305 000 persons who express an interest were to become involved the economic benefit to the province of Quebec would be more than an additional $230 million. and on and on and on it goes... __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:23:16 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: CTF v. McGuinty, et al - Decision 'Election' promises mean diddly squat! > This Document : 2004 CanLII 48177 (ON S.C.) > Citation: Canadian Taxpayers Federation v. Ontario (Minister of > Finance), 2004 CanLII 48177 (ON S.C.) > Date: 2004-12-15 > Docket: 04-CV-269781 CM1 > > COURT FILE NO.: 04-CV-269781 CM1 > > DATE: 20041215 > ONTARIO SUPERIOR COURT OF JUSTICE > > B E T W E E N: > > THE CANADIAN TAXPAYERS FEDERATION and JOHN WILLIAMSON > > Applicants > > - and - > > HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN IN RIGHT OF ONTARIO AS REPRESENTED BY THE > MINISTER OF FINANCE, GREG SORBARA and DALTON J.P. McGUINTY > > Respondents > > Joseph D'Angelo and Susan Muigai for the Applicants > > Jack D. Coop and Catherine Oh, student-at-law for the Respondents > > HEARD: November 15 and 19, 2004 > Analysis > > [67] The elements for a successful negligent misrepresentation action > are as follows: > > (a) there must be duty of care based on a "special relationship" > between the representor and the representee; > > (b) the representation must be untrue, inaccurate or misleading; > > (c) the representor must have acted negligently in making the > misrepresentation; > > (d) the representee must have relied, in a reasonable manner, on the > negligent misrepresentation; and > > (e) The reliance must have been detrimental to the representee in the > sense that damages resulted > > (Queen v. Cognos Inc., [1993] 1 S.C.R. 87 > at para. 33) > > [68] In my view the applicants' claim in negligent misrepresentation > fails on at least 3 bases. Firstly, no special relationship was > created between Mr. McGuinty and the CTF on the facts of this case. > The September 11, 2003, document was a repetition of a promise made to > the public on several occasions by Mr. McGuinty and the Liberal Party > both before and during the course of the election campaign. The > signing of the promise at a press conference did not create the type > of special relationship necessary to base a negligent > misrepresentation claim. > > [69] Secondly, on the record before me, the applicants have not > satisfied the burden of proving that when Mr. McGuinty made the > representation it was untrue or inaccurate, nor that he was negligent > in making it. There is no allegation of deceit in the present case. > From the record it is apparent that, upon taking office and assessing > the situation, the government believed that it would be contrary to > the public interest to keep the promise made during the election. This > decision not to keep the promise does not mean that the promise, when > made, was untrue, inaccurate or negligent. > > [70] Finally, there are good public policy reasons for not recognizing > a duty of care in the present circumstances. As set out by the > respondents, promises such as the one contained in the September 11, > 2003 document are often made in a campaign. They are made to various > individuals, organizations and to the public at large. To allow claims > for negligent misrepresentation to be made based on these would raise > the spectre of unlimited liability to an indeterminate class. > > [71] Imposing a duty of care in circumstances such as exist in the > present case would have a chilling effect and would interfere with the > concept of parliamentary sovereignty. Once elected, members would be > concerned about the representations they made during their election > campaigns and would not consider themselves at liberty to act and vote > in the public interest on each bill as it came before the legislature. > In my view, therefore, it would be unwise to impose a duty of care in > such circumstances (See Cooper v. Hobart (2001), S.C.C. 79 at > para.37-39 and Hercules Management Ltd. v. Ernst & Young, [1997] 2 > S.C.R. 165 at > paragraph 31). > > conclusion > > [72] In conclusion the application is dismissed. > > [73] If the parties are unable to agree as to costs, the respondents > are to provide brief written submissions within 20 days hereof and the > applicants their response within 10 days thereafter. > > RELEASED by: ROULEAU J. See: http://www.canlii.org/on/cas/onsc/2004/2004onsc13023.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:24:22 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Dr. Peter Adams letter to Examiner Sure wish 'the RFC keeper of unending facts' had the handy URLs for the House (especially 1st, 2nd and 3rd reading), Senate and Committee debates on C-68 from 94-95 readily available. Lost all that stuff when my hard drive went capooot two years ago. Would 'love' to send the Peterborough Examiner a short list of gov't 'references' about the projected 'cost' of the "Universal owner licensing and long gun Registry" from Hansard. Nothing like having the 'exact evidence' from the gov't experts to throw back in their faces. Sending in stuff about $5 Bil in 'registry' costs and 'paper criminals' who 'forget' to do their 'paperwork' getting more jail time than hardened, habitual criminals does little to establish credibility for 'our' side. (Now, if we had several actual cases to reference). From Sheila Fraser's presentation - Standing Committee on Public Accounts; Monday, February 24, 2003: > This program was initially estimated to cost $119 million, with > licensing revenues of $117 million, resulting in a net cost of $2 million. > > Mr. Roger Gallaway (Sarnia-Lambton, Lib.): Chair, Minister, I want to > go back to the beginning. As you suggested, April 24, 1995, your > predecessor arrived and said $85 million would be the cost. He said, > and I'm quoting now. . . . [I also recollect Rock stating the 'registry' cost would be $85 Mil over 5 years and then some time later claiming the cost would be $85 Mil over 7 years. I also have first-hand evidence of the gov'ts commitment to 'grandfathering' all (existing as of the effectiveness of C-68) experienced gun owners into whatever 'licence' replaced FACs]. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:24:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Maurice Curtis" Subject: My letter to the Ottawa Sun submitted Ottawa Sun---- re: Warren Wall's letter and your comment. You should publish a correction on your comment. The editor's comment is incorrect. Those firearm's whether or not they were registered cannot be sold to lawabiding citizens. To do so would require the criminal to phone and ask the Firearm's center to transfer. He would have to give his complete information and the purchaser's complete information. Do you really think that would happen?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:25:17 -0600 (CST) From: AOB Subject: Published letter Published Edmonton Sun Sunday 26 Dec 04 JUDGING FROM the article "Don't blame the U.S.," (Dec. 19) it sounds like the Coalition for Gun Control and federal Liberal party are scrambling to bring some legitimacy back to the billions of dollars they wasted on the registry. How can we believe this claim when the the government continues to'demonstrate monumental incompetence on this file, from losing track of gun owners who are already in the system, to issuing registration certificates with duplicate serial numbers? Chris Rumbold Editors Comment (The registry is a farce.) Thanks Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:25:38 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher di Armani Subject: re: Looking for study... > I'm looking for the name of the study or the class, or the company that is > using the Firearms Registry as an example of "how not to run a business". > None of the search terms I'm using are specific enough and I can't find it > in my archives. Baseline Magazine is who did the article. I know they had it online at one point, and I'll see if I can find it in my archive as well. Yours in Liberty, Christopher di Armani christopher@diArmani.com Our poison-tipped pens are greater than the mightiest of swords - diArmani.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:26:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Empey" Subject: 1100 affidavits Nice letter to Orillia Today, Bruce. I've seen the registry apologists trot out this "1100 affidavits" crap so many times..."1,100 affidavits have been produced by the Canadians Firearms Centre in 2004 to support firearms-related criminal prosecutions."............ I think we all know exactly what every one of those affidavits say: "After an exhaustive search through our unverified, error-riddled, "unknown" database, we at the CFC can assure the Court that the firearm in question is NOT registered [we think?] What other possible affidavit could CFC produce? Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:39:56 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Uninvited guests Bruce reported: >Torontonians warned after phony police stage break-in > >Toronto - Officers are investigating a case of police impersonation - the >second such incident in the Toronto area in a week. > >An elderly woman was awakened early Saturday after two men broke into her >home and told her they were police officers. You'd think a citizen could be certain that folks who 'break into' a private residence aren't really 'lawfully' entering . . even if they're wearing some kind of 'uniform'. But the manners of the black ninjas as they harass law abiding gun owners results in situations like the Windsor citizen faced several years ago when with justifiable reason, on a dark night, he took a potshot at a policeman disguised to look like a thug skulking about his yard amidst a full blown shoot-em-up. What's an outnumbered citizen to do, ask for I.D.? Wait til s/he sees the 'white's' of their eyes? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:41:38 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Baseline Article The Baseline article in question is available at: http://www.baselinemag.com/article2/0,1397,1620199,00.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:51:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Cliff & Darlene" Subject: Dale Blue I have just learned that Dale Blue, President of the Responsible Firearms Owners of Alberta has passed away. He passed away on Dec. 23. His funeral is on Thursday, Dec.30 at the Community Hall in Hardisty at 2:00 pm. Cliff Healy RFOA Director 403 362-3625 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 04:33:43 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: FW: ChronWatch Article, '''Gun Control: True Lies in San Francisco'' Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca One of our visitors wanted to send you this article along with a few comments. Article Title: "''Gun Control: True Lies in San Francisco'' by Howard Nemerov" Article URL: "http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=11997&catcode=13" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 04:34:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Weapons offences up http://www.reddeeradvocate.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=107&cat=59&id=350 590&more= Weapons offences up By tim gardner Red Deer Advocate staff City RCMP Supt. Jim Steele says it's no coincidence that an increase in weapons offences in the city is accompanying a rise in crimes against people. Steele told the Red Deer policing committee this week that there were 180 offensive weapons complaints during the first 11 months of this year compared with 132 during the same time last year. "I think there's a link between that and our persons offences as well," Steele said. "People are carrying more weapons these days." The number of Criminal Code offences against people during the first 11 months of this year rose to 1,532 from 1,212 in 2003. Steele said the rise in the city's illegal drug trade may be responsible for the increase in weapons. "One thing we are seeing are ripoffs between drug dealers are causing them to arm themselves, usually with edged weapons," Steele said. The number of complaints involving the use of firearms also rose dramatically this year. Between Jan. 1 and Nov. 30, 35 complaints were reported. Only seven were reported during the same time last year. Other weapons offences increased to 36 during the first 11 months of this year compared with 12 in 2003. Possession of weapons complaints fell to 109 from 113. Assaults with a weapon causing bodily harm jumped to 145 at the end of November compared with 92 during the same time in 2003. The total number of assaults increased to 1,438 from 1,131. The good news is that crimes against property are falling, Steele said. During the first 11 months of this year, 8,169 crimes against property were reported compared with 8,980 in 2003. Total Criminal Code offences rose to 17,616 at the end of November from 15,439 last year. Other crime statistics comparing the first 11 months of 2004 to the same time in 2003 showed: l Total break and enters fell to 1,186 from 1,522. l Total theft of motor vehicles fell to 772 from 952. l Total theft over $5,000 increased to 46 from 31. l Arsons rose to 31 from 19. * Total drug complaints jumped to 1,043 from 438. l Cocaine trafficking offences rose to 213 from 69. l Marijuana trafficking offences increased to 250 from 39. l Fatal collisions jumped to five from zero. l Total collisions fell to 2,797 from 3,035. l Collisions involving injuries increased to 407 from 385. l Impaired driving charges rose to 435 from 397. l Property damage under $5,000 jumped to 3,551 from 2,009. l Disturbing the peace complaints skyrocketed to 2,000 from 909. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 04:56:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Malvern on a slow mend http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/12/27/798353-sun.html Malvern on a slow mend BULLETS NO LONGER FLYING IN TOUGH NEIGBOURHOOD By CHRIS DOUCETTE, TORONTO SUN WHEN 2004 began, many Malvern residents were living in fear of gun-toting gang members who were roaming the streets and leaving a trail of blood in their wake. But 12 months later, there have been drastic changes in the violence-plagued neighbourhood thanks to the efforts of government, police and community members. The recovery began in February when Mayor David Miller was told by a local teen that it was easier to get a gun than a job in the northeast area of Scarborough. In response, the Mayor unveiled his Community Safety Plan, aimed at keep youth in "at risk" areas such as Malvern, busy, employed and away from gangs. "There are young people in neighbourhoods in this city who don't have the same chances as others do, Miller said at the time. "That's the job of the city, to make sure those kids have a real chance." Miller also enlisted the help of Ontario Chief Justice Roy McMurtry to combat the mounting problem, which led to the province setting up an "elite" anti-gun task force. SHOOTINGS CONTINUED The wheels were beginning to turn but the shootings continued throughout the first few months of the year. And much of the violence was blamed on an 18-month feud between rival gangs the Malvern Boys and the Versace Crew. All tolled, there were six gang-related shootings at the outset of 2004. Drive-bys and school lockdowns were becoming commonplace. And that's when the police stepped in. Some 200 hardcore gunmen from the four gangs in the area were identified in a police crackdown that culminated in the largest anti-gang sweep in the city's history. On May 12, hundreds of heavily armed officers executed 71 search warrants in a series of pre-dawn raids. The sweep led to 75 arrests, the seizure of many firearms, as well as drugs, and more than 600 charges, including many for gangsterism. Around the same time, Rhema Christian Ministries Pastor Orim Meikle was leading hundreds of church members in prayer walks through the Malvern neighbourhood. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:01:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Fraser might change style http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/12/27/798359-sun.html Fraser might change style AUDITOR HINTS SHE MIGHT TAKE SOFTER TONE By MARIA MCCLINTOCK, OTTAWA BUREAU AUDITOR GENERAL Sheila Fraser is known to produce explosive reports that are written in plain, hard-hitting language. But that may be changing. Her report on the Liberal handling of the $250-million sponsorship scandal has become famous for Fraser's initial assessment that federal bureaucrats broke just about "every rule in the book" -- an explosive statement that eventually led to a larger audit that found more problems with the program. Since then, there's always a sense of anticipation when Fraser and her team table an audit because they've become known for not pulling any punches -- the ingredients for screaming headlines. Fraser, considered to be even-handed and fair-minded, admitted recently she's concerned about how the language in the reports affects hard-working and honest public servants. In releasing this year's annual audit in November, Fraser said she worried about "unintended consequences" of previous audits because "findings are sometimes generalized as applying to the government as a whole. This could serve to diminish the trust Canadians have in government and in the public service," Fraser said. "That would be unfortunate," she added. Despite that, Fraser isn't likely to back off on revealing mismanagement within the government. The language might be a little gentler. "In a large and complex organization like the federal government, there are bound to be mistakes," Fraser said in November. "Certain actions and behaviours should be be tolerated; mistakes can happen." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:07:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: [COLUMN] It's all about revenge, not equality http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/Winnipeg/Lydia_Lovric/2004/12/27/79 8107.html It's all about revenge, not equality By Lydia Lovric -- Winnipeg Sun One of the biggest lies perpetuated by modern-day feminists is the contention that feminism is about equality. Feminists aren't interested in equality. What they want is revenge. Apparently, breaking down barriers and smashing glass ceilings is laudable only when women are the beneficiaries. Equality is not a two-way street for these feminists. It's more of a one-way street with a dead end. That's why the movement is going nowhere in the eyes of many young women, including myself. Recently, a group of women decided to file a complaint with the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal. They weren't too happy about the fact that an exclusive Vancouver golf club boasts a male-only lounge. They said it was sexist. And they're right. But that doesn't mean that this lounge should be forced to accept female members. Equality is not about getting ovaries into any and every boys' club. Women in this country have the right to form their own clubs (whether it be co-ed or just for ladies) and that's what equality is about. The law should only provide opportunity. It's up to the individual to do the rest. So if women in Vancouver want a posh place to eat meals and chat about golf, then they have every right to create their own establishment. They also have the option to bar men or admit them. And while feminists want the right to barge into all-male establishments, it seems that what's good for the goose is not so good for the gander. When Ralph Gordon Stopps tried to take advantage of a free 10-day membership at a local gym club, he was denied entry. The basis for this rejection? Genitalia. It appears that Mr. Stopps has the wrong "parts" to become a member of "Just Ladies Fitness." Where are the feminists now? Why aren't they standing up for Mr. Stopps and the outrageous discrimination he has faced based purely on sex? Why is it OK to have fitness clubs for women only, but a group of male golf buddies can't sit around and talk about how Tiger Woods' game has gone downhill ever since he tied the knot? The truth is, feminists will never defend someone like Mr. Stopps. Feminists want to eat their cake while the men in the world dine on Timbits. Don't believe me? Brigitte LeBlanc, a 14-year-old Moncton girl, wasn't satisfied playing hockey with the boys. She wanted more. So she petitioned the New Brunswick Human Rights Commission to grant her the right to use the boys' locker room. Astonishingly, she won. Surely, there are a few 14-year-old boys out there who wouldn't mind gaining entry to the girls' locker room. But you can bet that day will never come. We have a greater chance of hearing Carolyn Parrish praise the Bush administration. But I digress. Time and time again, we have women demanding access to boys' teams and boys' clubs. Remember Robyn Waite? She's the Ontario high school girl who plays quarterback on the boys' football team. Before her, there was Justine Blainey and Hayley Wickenheiser, who fought for and won the right to skate with the boys. And the LPGA wasn't good enough for Annika Sorenstam, so she decided to tee off with the men during a 2003 PGA tournament. It seems that every time a female voice challenges a male team, the guys are eventually forced to swing open their door and welcome the newest member. But the door doesn't swing both ways. Female athletes continue to have the luxury of maintaining girls' teams and girls' clubs. Guys no longer have that right. And that's discrimination. When Brian Kontak realized that he couldn't earn a living playing in the PGA, he wanted to try his luck with the LPGA. The women were not amused. Now, there's a boy in Wisconsin who wants to compete on his high school's gymnastic team. Only problem is that his school doesn't have a team for boys. So, hoping to earn a scholarship in order to attend college, Keith Michael Bukowski wants the chance to spring vault and somersault with the ladies. Kudos to the young lad for making a point, but hopefully he's not holding his breath. The truth is, equality isn't so important for feminists when the person seeking parity is a guy. Equal treatment only applies when it benefits women. And that's why feminism just doesn't add up. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #661 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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