From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #690 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, January 9 2005 Volume 07 : Number 690 In this issue: "you can't get arrested with an unregistered firearm" PELLET GUN ARRESTS MADE POLAR BEARS UNDER THE GUN IN NUNAVUT MAN CHARGED IN SHOOTING [EDITORIAL] Force or democracy My letter to the Ottawa Sun Re: R. v. Hunter decision? Re: R. v. Hunter decision? RE: New system at CFC Trudeau - Socialist or Reformer? Viewers Rave over _BATFE Fails the Test_ Video My letter to the Ottawa Sun ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:04:49 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: "you can't get arrested with an unregistered firearm" QUOTABLE QUOTE: " To this day you can't get arrested with an unregistered firearm, even if you carry pieces of it past the police station." PUBLICATION: The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) DATE: 2005.01.08 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A2 COLUMN: Straight Talk BYLINE: Randy Burton SOURCE: The StarPhoenix - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Special status for Lloydminster - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- From the beginning, the debate over smoking legislation has been about how to create a level playing field. Governments at both the municipal and provincial level have accepted that all businesses must be treated in the same way so as to avoid driving customers out of one business and straight into another. That's why there are arguments over whether the ban in Saskatoon should apply to decks and patios, for example. The idea is that a bar with a patio should not be able to cannibalize business from its neighbour that does not have the space or the capital to build one of its own. Pity the poor bar owner in Lloydminster then, to whom such distinctions seem inconsequential. Under the province's idea of a level playing field, they are watching as their customers walk just across the street to drink in bars on the Alberta side of the border where there is no smoking ban. Consequently, Lloydminster bar owner Vivian Hallwachs has no intention of honouring Saskatchewan's new anti-smoking law, grace period or no grace period. "Not now, not ever," says the proprietor of Scores Sports Bar. The prospect of a fine is not particularly daunting when the alternative is to go out of business. "Obviously, the operators on the Saskatchewan side of Lloydminster are not going to be able to keep operating if they enforce it," she said. "All our patrons that drink and gamble also smoke, so it's much easier for our customers to not bother with all this headache and just go across the street to the bars that you're allowed to smoke at. "I mean, if you took Regina and said one side of Victoria Avenue can have smoking and the other can't, what would happen?" In the case of Lloydminster, the playing field is not just tilted, it's turned upside down and there's really no need for it. The unique nature of Lloydminster has long been recognized by the province in its legislation. That's why businesses on the Saskatchewan side are not required to charge the seven per cent sales tax. And in recognition of their competitors on the Alberta side of the border, Lloydminster bars are not required to pay the liquor consumption tax charged elsewhere in Saskatche-wan. When it comes to smoking, however, the logic of these other exemptions somehow eludes the province's attention. "I've sent letters to the minister's office, I've phoned there numerous times, I've never got so much as a call back from them," Hallwachs says. Unless and until the province shuts her business down, Hallwachs intends to let her customers keep on lighting up. After all, both Health Minister John Nilson and Premier Lorne Calvert have said the government does not intend to strictly enforce the new law for the first 60 days of its existence. In the meantime, scofflaws will be "educated" so that they can see the light. Now there's nothing unusual about government failing to enforce a law for the first while until people get used to it. Seatbelt legislation comes to mind, or the federal gun registration law for another. To this day you can't get arrested with an unregistered firearm, even if you carry pieces of it past the police station. What is unusual is for a government to actually announce that it does not intend to enforce the law. The message that sends is that it doesn't take effect in any real way until the re-education period comes to a close. The reason for this on the smoking law, of course, is to give the government time to try and convince First Nations to go along with it in the casinos they run on the White Bear reserve, Yorkton, Prince Albert and North Battleford. Under the Indian Act, bands have the right to apply to the federal government to enact their own bylaws on reserve, including smoking bylaws. If Indian and Northern Affairs approves these bylaws, they supercede provincial law. With one stroke of the pen, the province's level playing field is history. Mindful of the apparent double standard, the province does not want to come down too hard on non-Native business when casinos are not going to be subject to the same rules. However, asking a political organization like the Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations to give up rights already established in other provinces is a non-starter. In fact, several of the bands that host casinos have already applied to the federal government for the right to enact smoking bylaws. It's unclear at this point whether those bylaws will include on-reserve businesses other than casinos, but the potential exists for sizable enclaves within major urban areas that will not be subject to provincial smoking laws. Thus, the principle of a level playing field is very likely to be rendered a practical impossibility. At some point, the province is going to have to accept the inevitable and admit there are going to be major exceptions to the ban on public smoking. The question then becomes how to justify it. In the case of the First Nations, it's because the Indian Act gives them the right to establish their own local bylaws if they don't conflict with other federal legislation. In the case of Lloydminster, the principle of simple fairness would suggest that business owners on the Saskatchewan side of the border should not be expected to bear a burden that their competitors on the Alberta side do not. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:05:03 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: PELLET GUN ARRESTS MADE PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2005.01.08 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 14 COLUMN: SUN Briefs - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- PELLET GUN ARRESTS MADE - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- AN 18-YEAR-OLD man has been arrested after a pellet gun attack earlier this week. A 19-year-old Bradford man was shot in the right side of the head while he was walking to his vehicle in the Ice Palace parking lot at 90 Wexford Drive Wednesday. Corey Ridout of Georgina, faces multiple charges, police said. This follows a bust on Wednesday in which three teens aged 18 and 19 were charged with possession of a dangerous weapon for firing their pellet guns at children. In both attacks, no one was seriously injured. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:22:09 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: POLAR BEARS UNDER THE GUN IN NUNAVUT PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2005.01.08 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 27 ILLUSTRATION: photo from Sun files Dangerous polar bears often prowl the streets in the Arctic. BYLINE: CP DATELINE: IQALUIT, Nunavut - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- POLAR BEARS UNDER THE GUN IN NUNAVUT - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Inuit hunters will be able to kill nearly one-third more polar bears in Nunavut this year because of concerns that an increasing number of the predators are prowling the streets of some Arctic communities. "The elders have worried about seeing more polar bears in their community or close to their community," Olayuk Akesuk, Nunavut's Environment minister, said yesterday. "If we have too many bears, somebody might get mauled some day. Kids play outside all the time, so it's very important for us to make sure we have safety." Last spring, people in the communities of Pond Inlet, Clyde River and Qikiqtarjuaq complained that polar bears - which can weigh up to 650 kg and have no fear of stalking humans - were destroying facilities and equipment. Cabins were trashed. Seats were eaten off snowmobiles. Caches of seal and caribou were gobbled up, destroying a season's work in one sitting. In the fall, bears routinely wander the streets of Clyde River on the east coast of Baffin Island. The most recent population survey in the eastern part of the territory suggested there were about 2,100 polar bears in 1997. But because hunting quotas were set conservatively low, numbers have been growing slowly and steadily ever since. Territorial officials now estimate that population at around 2,400. Local hunters believe it's as high as 2,600. A new management agreement says communities will have a voice in how the bears are managed and in how many hunting tags are issued each year. Akesuk said the agreement also allows for 115 extra bear tags to be issued each year. That brings the total number of hunting tags to 518 across the territory. Historically, the number of bears actually taken has been less than the quota. Some communities will get only one or two additional tags. Clyde River, where the safety concerns have been strongest, will get 24 additional tags. Last fall, parents organized phone trees to keep their children safe when a bear was in the vicinity. Schools kept children inside while hunters scared the bears off by firing guns in the air while keeping wary hands on the throttles of their snowmobiles. Akesuk said the new agreement blends traditional Inuit knowledge and western science. "We were getting a lot of information from the communities that there were more polar bears in their area than before," he said. "We have to recognize and respect the Inuit knowledge along with the western science. I think that's where we're heading towards, to have more equal recognition of the two researches." Akesuk said that Nunavut's system for managing polar bears is among the best in the world. The new quotas will also have a significant economic impact in Nunavut. Southern sport hunters pay up to $20,000 for the privilege of shooting one polar bear. But most bear tags go to the Inuit, who eat the meat and use the fur. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:22:18 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: MAN CHARGED IN SHOOTING PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2005.01.08 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 30 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- MAN CHARGED IN SHOOTING - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- A Fox Creek man has been charged with attempted murder after two men were shot at on an acreage northwest of the city. The charges stem from an incident Wednesday at an acreage about five kilometres south of Whitecourt. Two Whitecourt-area men went to the acreage and spoke with a person who lived there. They later told Mounties they were shot at. Cops believe a suspect and the victims knew each other. No one was injured. A vehicle found at the residence had what are believed to be bullet holes in it, RCMP said. While at the acreage, RCMP also nabbed two men on outstanding warrants and one on possession of stolen property. Police believe none of those men were involved in the earlier shooting. Charged with two counts of attempted murder is Leo Gerard MacKenzie, 32, of Fox Creek. MacKenzie is scheduled to appear in Whitecourt provincial court on Tuesday. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:45:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: [EDITORIAL] Force or democracy http://www.ottawasun.com/NewsStand/OttawaSun/Editorial/home.html Force or democracy We've always respected Mac Harb's diligent work on behalf of his constituents as an MP, but his suggestion that Canadians be compelled to vote should be sent back to the blackboard -- and left there. Bill S-22, "An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (mandatory voting)," is due for second reading when the upper chamber resumes sitting Feb. 1. It would "make it compulsory for an elector to exercise the right to vote" and "make it an offence for an elector not to vote." As a concession to the growing number of Canadians who are disgusted by the entire political process, Harb would have ballots modified so voters could choose "none of the candidates" while still fulfilling their legal obligation to go to the polls. Unfortunately, that doesn't make it a good idea. Of course we believe all Canadians should vote. This was a right purchased through the blood of Canadian soldiers who died fighting against tyranny in two world wars. It's a right still being paid for today with the lives of soldiers fighting the war on terrorism. But we believe all Canadians should exercise that right of their own free will, not by government decree. Indeed, should this bill somehow become law, it wouldn't, as Harb claims, "enhance Canadians' rights in our democratic society." It would actually diminish them. You have the right to vote -- and not to vote. Harb's bill would, in effect, take away your ballot and turn it into the government's ballot. Your only choice would be to vote, or suffer the legal penalty of not voting. Sure, we want more Canadians to vote. But the way to do that is to clean up the patronage, corruption and other sleaze that turns Canadians off the political process. We aren't the first to notice the irony of a political appointee, one elevated to the Senate on the whim of the prime minister, not the electorate, suggesting Canadians vote more. This is the kind of thing that makes Canadians resent politics. Forcing them to vote will only make that worse. And another thing ... Once again, we wish the members of the Canadian Forces good luck and Godspeed as members of the DART arrive in Sri Lanka. While they're there they'll undoubtedly witness more devastation and suffering than most Canadians, safe in their cosy homes, can even conceive. They'll try to ameliorate some of that suffering -- and for that, our thoughts are with them. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:47:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to the Ottawa Sun Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Force or democracy I wonder if Senator Mac Harb's "vote or jail" law will also apply to him: requiring him and his fellow Senators to be present and cast a ballot for every vote that comes up before that August Chamber, or go to jail? Failing that, will Harb support a bill to make the Senate an elected body? When I get to vote him out of a job, maybe I'll consider a "forced ballot". It seems that even the Liberal dominated Senate cannot keep its hands off of our sovereign rights! Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:32:22 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher di Armani Subject: Re: R. v. Hunter decision? At 08:58 AM 2005.01.08, you wrote: > > Can anyone out there point me to a source for the Supreme Court of Canada > > R. v. Hunter decision? I've tried searching CANLII with no luck. Even >[..] >Can you give us a little more about this? Originating province? Year? >Subject matter? Full name? In Ted Morton's treatise on the Firearms Act he quotes R. v. Hunter a few times regarding unreasonable search and seizure (pages 10 & 12). My best guess based on the Morton document it is from 1984. I have no idea of the provincial jurisdiction, but what he (Morton) quotes is supposedly an SCC decision. I have yet to check Calvin's response though to see if that is the same case. Yours In Liberty, Christopher di Armani christopher@diArmani.com - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Order the pro-firearms documentary "Good Men vs. Bad Law", chronicling the formation of CUFOA and their January 1, 2003 Firearms Act Protest on Ottawa's Parliament Hill from http://diArmani.com. Available February 1, 2005: "Shootout At Rock Creek" covers the Gordon Hitchen Memorial Skeet Shoot held Oct 31, 2004 in Rock Creek, BC. Includes history of Gordon Hitchen and interviews with the participants, including Conservative MP Jim Gouk. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:48:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Re: R. v. Hunter decision? > In Ted Morton's treatise on the Firearms Act he quotes R. v. Hunter a few > times regarding unreasonable search and seizure (pages 10 & 12). My best > guess based on the Morton document it is from 1984. I have no idea of the > provincial jurisdiction, but what he (Morton) quotes is supposedly an SCC > decision. I have yet to check Calvin's response though to see if that > is the same case. OK, try: [1984] 2 S.C.R. hunter v. southam inc. 145 http://www.lexum.umontreal.ca/csc-scc/en/pub/1984/vol2/html/1984scr2_0145.ht ml Looks like Dr. Ted attributed it wrong. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:29:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Nick & Michelle" Subject: RE: New system at CFC I just had the same experience; purchased a gun from SIR and was hanging around the phone for days waiting for a call from the CFC. I then called SIR to ask about the status of the order, and they said the rifle had already been sent. It seems that a phone call is no longer required, unless a "red flag" goes up during the firearms purchase. I don't mind though - makes gunrunning past the wife more easier! Nick L. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:00:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Trudeau - Socialist or Reformer? I'm currently reading an autobiography of Teddy Roosevelt published in 1913. The US was going through some radical changes and unprecedented growth into a super power on the world stage. Lots of the issues sound familar today. One of the many appendixes is entitled "Socialism". In it, Roosevelt made the following observation: "...the orthodox or so-called scientific or purely economic or materialistic socialism of the type preached by Marx is an exploded theory;....many of the men who call themselves Socialists today are in reality merely radical social reformers...." So, based on his history as a radical student (riding his motorcycle wearing a Nazi helmet, being deemed unsuitable as an officer cadet) and the radical policies he instituted as Prime Minister (National Energy Board, abolition of capital punishment, decriminalization of homosexuality, etc.), was Trudeau a Socialist or merely a radical social reformer? I tend to think the latter, as the Liberals continue to be the party of radical social change (the long gun registry, legalzation of same sex marriage, decriminalization of marijuana, institutionalized political correctness, etc.). Todd Birch ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:31:17 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Viewers Rave over _BATFE Fails the Test_ Video ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization JANUARY 8, 2005 JPFO Alert: Viewers Rave over _BATFE Fails the Test_ Video JPFO recently blindsided the BATFE with the release of our documentary _BATFE Fails the Test_ (www.jpfo.org/alert20050103.htm). The shocking, never- meant-to-be-seen raw footage shows agents trying unsuccessfully to prove that a semi-automatic firearm had been deliberately modified to full-auto. WHAT VIEWERS ARE SAYING "JPFO has produced a shocking and eye-opening DVD, _BATFE Fails the Test_. If you think you're safe from the BATFE just because you follow current gun laws, think again. Be sure and get a copy of this documentary so you can see exactly what your government can do to you just because you own a semi-automatic firearm." Tim Schmidt Publisher Concealed Carry Magazine www.concealedcarrymagazine.com --- "_BATFE Fails the Test_, by JPFO, is a must see DVD for all Americans. See our government at work. Watch as the 'government expert' turns a dangerously malfunctioning legal semi automatic rifle into an 'evil' machine gun and Mr. Glover into a 'Felon'. Watch as a 'real expert' (he actually must earn a living with his knowledge), examines the firearm and determines that it is merely a malfunctioning legal semi automatic rifle. "It is an inside look rarely seen by most Americans and shows first hand the cavalier attitude of a federal agent and how it can force an innocent American into financial ruin. Watch out you may be next." David M. McCleary Attorney at Law Waterford, MI --- IT ALL STEMS FROM 1968 The BATFE's enforcement activities are authorized by the 1968 Gun Control Act. As JPFO has documented, the GCA was written by one Thomas Dodd, who _personally owned_ a copy of the original German text of the Nazi Weapons Law (www.jpfo.org/GCA_68.htm). Perhaps unsurprisingly, the GCA language is eerily similar. What has happened to John Glover - and, we're learning, to numerous others - is the end result of the US modeling laws after Nazi laws. Emulate a police state, become a police state. ORDER ON VHS OR DVD You can purchase a copy of the footage for $17.76, postage paid, from JPFO (http://www.jpfo.org/batfevideo.htm). With your order you'll also receive, absolutely FREE, a copy of Gran'pa Jack #8 "Is America Becoming a Police State?" (a $3.00 value) and your own personal copies of the BATFE confiscation report and Len Savage's expert witness report on the Glover case. If you have a DVD player available, we strongly recommend that medium. The DVDs have a menu, designed with the assistance of GOA's Larry Pratt, that lets you go right to the most crucial portions of the test and disassembly of the firearm without having to wade through raw footage. But whichever medium you choose, please order, watch, and _use_ this tape. Your future - and the future of justice for gun owners -- could depend on it. - The Liberty Crew ================================================================ Original Material in JPFO ALERTS is Copyright 2004 JPFO, Inc. Permission is granted to reproduce this alert in full, so long as the following JPFO contact information is included: Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership PO Box 270143 Hartford, Wisconsin 53027 Phone: 1-262-673-9745 Order line: 1-800-869-1884 (toll-free!) Fax: 1-262-673-9746 Web: http://www.jpfo.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:37:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to the Ottawa Sun Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:43 AM Subject: Re: Poor turnout leaves empty feeling Earl McRae wonders where all the people were that the Liberals expected to show up at the Civic Center. Well, Earl, the Canadian public seems to have grasped the difference between genuine compassion, and a grandstanding, self aggrandizing, photo op. Canadians are fed up with the Liberals telling them what to do - they certainly aren't going to take kindly to the Liberals telling them how they should feel! The turnout says something, alright, but it isn't about Canadian compassion. And Earl should be ashamed of his facile attempt at emotional blackmail. That doesn't go over too well, either. 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