From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #697 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, January 12 2005 Volume 07 : Number 697 In this issue: Gamil Gharbi My letter to the Toronto Star Old Tories declare war on Harper Bystanders subdue armed suspect Low Attendance At Recent Day of National Mourning Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #694 Marlin Model 25MN MADD Essay Thieves net $2,500 in guns from store: Letter: Gun registry helps strengthen our security Column: What do you have to do to get deported from this country? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:20:00 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Gamil Gharbi Jim Hill said: > Lee Jasper said: " Both authors, no doubt, are recent Graduates of the > Jim Hill School of Journalism." > > Whoa there!! I don't hold a candle to these men and their writing > skills. They actually have the ability to use words of more than two > syllables. Just wanted to acknowledge your earlier lead on the Lepine letter to the Ed. And while you may be a retired 'horse soldier', you keep the cobwebs at bay.. Easy on the oats, now. Certainly evident in Bruce's and Chris's prose is evidence of the the discipline from scholars like I endured. Let's hear for lit teacher "Dirty Gerty" (Miss. Gertrude Cole) and undergrad mentor "Knob" (Mr. James had a pronounced 'bump' (is that a proboscis) on this shnoze. They were of the view that if you're going to say or write - to do it with style and pizzazz. What's the Italian phrase . .? Hey guys, son who is a computer and robotics whiz of the highest order, tells me a Dweeb is an honourable acknowledgment of cyberland wizardry. > Gamil Gharbi "was a misogynist and alienated son of a woman hating > wife beater and was deemed medically unfit for service in the Armed > Forces of Canada." For an added twist, you can slip in the fact that > he was not an 'androgynized' AOB or a GOM who had been 'vulnerable > sector screened' by our OPP. Now, if we can get editors to use it. I wonder how the Honourable Dr. Wendy will counter. Will she blame the NRA for attemping to lead citizens astray? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:29:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to the Toronto Star Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Pellet gun attack kills cat Your reporter writes "Pellet guns have been a problem across Greater Toronto already this year." Pellet guns are not "the problem". The problem is the fallcious belief that inanimate objects "cause" problems. An inanimate object has no volition nor intent. It is only the volition and the intent of a human agent that determines if the result of a pellet gun discharge is "good" or "bad". That is why it is the individual, and that individual alone, who should bear the burden of responsibility for the results of that action. Calling pellet guns a "problem" is simply an invitation to seek a solution to that "problem". It is this fallacious belief that leads to onerous and draconian laws such as the Firearms Act, which only serves to transfer the burden of responsibility from those criminals who misuse firearms onto the backs of law abiding gun owners, who will never use their guns to commit a crime. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:34:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Old Tories declare war on Harper http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Artic le_Type1&c=Article&cid=1105443123139&call_pageid=968332188774&col=9683501164 67&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes Old Tories declare war on Harper CANADIAN PRESS OTTAWA - They have been declared politically dead by many. But some old Progressive Conservative party members are refusing to be buried. The Progressive Canadian Party chose today - the birthday of Canada's first prime minister, John A. Macdonald - to announce a national fund-raising drive to battle that "western separatist" Stephen Harper. "There were people who would have voted Progressive Conservative but they were denied that democratic right in the last election," said former federal cabinet minister Sinclair Stevens. "We want to make sure they will have that democratic right to vote in the coming election," Stevens said. He is the party's chief fund-raiser and predicted donations in the "hundreds of thousands" would be collected in the coming year. Party president Tracy Parsons told a news conference that the party will be building riding associations and planning a convention this year to provide an alternative to the Conservative Party of Canada, led by Harper. "It's true that this new party, now led by a western separatist and neo-conservative, took over the Conservative part of the party's name, a prize they had coveted for many years," Parsons said. But "it took an election process that makes the first vote in the Ukraine look like a model of democracy," she said. Harper's communications director, Geoff Norquay, shrugged off the comments. "This is a fringe group talking to themselves," he said. "More than a year ago, in a democratic vote, the idea of creating a new party was endorsed by more than 90 per cent of members - those are silly comments not even worthy of further comments," Norquay said. He said the merged party, which combined the former Canadian Alliance and the former Progressive Conservative Party of Canada, has not only been accepted by both former entities, it has grown to more than 300,000 today from 145,000 members on the day of the merger vote. Heward Graffety, who sat in Parliament as a Quebec Tory MP 25 years ago, predicted Harper's party would not elect a Quebecer because of suspicions over its commitment to bilingualism. "He's dead as a doornail in the province of Quebec," Graffety said of Harper. "He's dead, he'll never get a seat," he said. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:05:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Bystanders subdue armed suspect http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Artic le_Type1&c=Article&cid=1105443123021&call_pageid=968332188774&col=9687058990 37&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes Bystanders subdue armed suspect Attack outside restaurant broken up, gun recovered CURTIS RUSH STAFF REPORTER THESTAR.COM Three restaurant patrons are being praised as heroes after they intervened in a violent domestic dispute outside a downtown eatery. According to police, a male suspect was threatening his ex-girlfriend and brandishing a handgun when the three men came to the victim's aid. The incident occurred last night outside the restaurant Azure in the Intercontinental Hotel on Front St. W. "The argument started in the restaurant but it then went outside," said hotel general manager Louis Philippe today. Police said a 35-year-old woman went to the hotel to meet her ex-boyfriend. The two began to argue and the confrontation became violent. Several restaurant patrons saw the scuffle and came to the victim's aid, despite the fact that her attacker was wielding a gun. The patrons disarmed the man and held him until police arrived. Police recovered a .45-calibre semi-automatic handgun at the scene. Stephen Tzaras, 28, of Toronto is charged with extortion, assault and numerous firearm related charges. Tzaras will appear in Old City Hall Court tomorrow at 10 a.m. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:35:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Low Attendance At Recent Day of National Mourning Earl McRae Ottawa Sun Earl I read your pithy comments re: the above mentioned non-event on the Canadian Firearms Digest, a public forum of intelligent, politically aware Canadians. I have never read so many succinct, accurate summations of the Martin/Clarkson dog-and-pony show as you reported. It actually restored some of my rapidly shrinking faith in the common sense of the Canadian people. My favourite was "...CBC-type socialists who sanctimoniously believe there is virtue in being the world's candy-asses." I listen to CBC a lot around the house, and the sobriquet is perfect. Regards Todd Birch Merritt, BC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:55:19 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher di Armani Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #694 At 08:52 AM 2005.01.11, you wrote: >Christopher: > >Thanks - that could be an explanation - but why NO donations to >Reform/Canadian Alliance/Conservative before or since then? > >As I recall, Hinter was a President of his constituency association for >Canadian Alliance a few years back. Seems to me that he would have sent some >money that way. I'm pretty sure the NFA did donate to them. I was pretty active with the NFA back then, and seem to recall that was done. Why it's not on the list? That, I can't answer. Yours In Liberty, Christopher di Armani christopher@diArmani.com - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Order the pro-firearms documentary "Good Men vs. Bad Law", chronicling the formation of CUFOA and their January 1, 2003 Firearms Act Protest on Ottawa's Parliament Hill from http://diArmani.com. Available February 1, 2005: "Shootout At Rock Creek" covers the Gordon Hitchen Memorial Skeet Shoot held Oct 31, 2004 in Rock Creek, BC. Includes history of Gordon Hitchen and interviews with the participants, including Conservative MP Jim Gouk. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:56:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: Marlin Model 25MN Nice quote by Whelen. I don't keep guns that don't shoot accurately. My first priority in a firearm is function. I like pretty guns too, but they better shoot straight or they are just fancy doorstops to me. I'd like to hear why the rifling would stop short of the muzzle, too. That sounds kind of strange. I can't think of any reason. I hope to see an answer on the CFD. Alan Harper alan__harper@cogeco.ca SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:56:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Hill" Subject: MADD MADD-keys to gun commercial appeared on ASN, 1949 hrs 11 Jan 05 Jim Hill Fletchers Lake, NS "Do not be afraid of enemies; the worst they can do is to kill you. Do not be afraid of friends; the worst they can do is betray you. Be afraid of the indifferent; they do not kill or betray. But only because of their silent agreement, betrayal and murder exist on earth." - - -- Bruno Yasienski - "The Plot of the Indifferent" (1937) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:57:07 -0600 (CST) From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Essay Courtney, How did your essay turn out? - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:10:39 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Thieves net $2,500 in guns from store: PUBLICATION: The Province DATE: 2005.01.12 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A21 BYLINE: Stuart Hunter SOURCE: The Province - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- Thieves net $2,500 in guns from store: Police fear they'll fall into kids' hands - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- Abbotsford police fear several rifles and replica handguns stolen yesterday from a local gun shop may have fallen into the hands of young people. "My biggest concern is the replicas may be possessed by young people or youngsters," Const. Shinder Kirk said. "Some of them [guns] are extremely realistic and the scenario most officers fear is someone will point one knowing full well it's a replica, but how is an officer to tell if it's a replica or not?" Thieves broke into the Canadian Firearms Institute in the 2100-block Clearbrook Road at about 2:30 a.m. Owner Albert Joel said the burglars removed the frame and glass from the store's front doors in order to elude the motion sensors in his security system. "They didn't have long to do it because of the alarm system and video surveillance cameras," Joel said, adding the thieves tripped the alarm once inside. "They had to be pretty daring to do it -- it was probably kids or drug addicts." Joel estimated the rifles and replicas -- mainly pellet-type guns -- were worth $2,500. Kirk warned the public to be wary of anyone trying to sell stolen guns. "It is a concern because we know firearms are being used more frequently throughout the Lower Mainland for criminal behaviour and certainly violent crime," Kirk said. "It's very problematic." Kirk said prices below market value and lack of proper documentation are two indications a gun may be stolen. He added any seller is required by law to ask to see the buyer's firearms permit. Joel is optimistic the stolen guns will be returned safely. "We're just hoping to get them back," he said. "We don't want anyone to get hurt." If you can help police, call 604-859-5225 or CrimeStoppers at 1-800-222-8477. shunter@png.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:12:57 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Letter: Gun registry helps strengthen our security PUBLICATION: The Windsor Star DATE: 2005.01.12 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial/Opinion PAGE: A7 BYLINE: Nick Carlan SOURCE: Windsor Star - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gun registry helps strengthen our security - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On behalf of the majority of Canadians, I want to acknowledge and congratulate the owners of seven million guns who have registered their guns in accordance with the laws of this free and democratic country. The gun registry legislation was proclaimed by the majority members of our House of Commons. The owners of registered guns have abided by their responsibilities as members of a democracy. They have also, and more importantly, acted in some way to contribute to the recovery of the parents of 14 young women who were violently shot to death in Montreal 15 years ago. Unfortunately the owners of more than one million guns have illegally chosen not to register their guns. The owners of unregistered guns refuse to respect our laws and, by doing so, knowingly support individuals who should not have guns because of violent histories or mental illness. The vast majority of Canadians want to strengthen our security by limiting access to guns to those who can responsibly use them. The registry, in spite of some start-up problems, which have been greatly exaggerated, has been a success. We know where seven million guns are. Registering guns is only one step toward insuring that access is limited to responsible citizens. The monetary implications for our country and individual gun owners in the long term is minimal. Can we put a price on any avoidable death by gun violence? On the other hand, can we put a price on the benefit of allowing one young woman to grow up and fulfil her potential in our country? Surely the cost is far greater than the money needed to register a gun or establishing a national gun registry system. The majority of lawmakers, citizens and gun owners believe that gun registry is a step in the right direction and that registration is a program that cannot be valued by financial costs alone. I agree with them. We need to create an environment where owning a gun of any kind is a privilege accompanied by the responsibilities - like simple registration. Nick Carlan Windsor - ---------------------------------------------------- STATISTICS CANADA ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF GUN REGISTRATION & LICENCING Last October, Statistics Canada reported that in 2003: * 69% of adults accused of homicide had a Canadian criminal record and two-thirds of these had a prior conviction for a violent offence - 5 for homicide. Why were these murderers back on the street?; * 59% of the 548 victims murdered were stabbed, beaten or strangled. What did the gun registry do for these victims?; * 29% of the 548 murders were committed with a firearm (6% of the guns used were registered, 26% were unregistered and the government didn't know the registration status of the other 68%); * 68% of the 161 firearms homicides were committed with handguns (that the government has been registering since 1934); * Between 1997 and 2003, the registration status was known for 46% of firearm-related homicides. Of these, 86% were not registered and 80% of the accused persons did not possess a valid FAC or Firearms Licence (because most murderers are already known criminals); * 71% of accused murderers were under the influence of alcohol, drugs or other intoxicants at the time of the homicide. * 86% of robberies reported by police were committed with something other than a firearm; * 95% of the injuries suffered by victims of police-reported robberies were injured with something other than a firearm; * 88% of firearm robberies reported by police were committed with guns that were either already banned or handguns that should have been registered; and * 85% of injuries suffered by victims of police-reported robberies committed with firearms were committed with guns that were either already banned or handguns that the government has been trying to register for the last 70 years. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:13:17 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Column: What do you have to do to get deported from this country? PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2005.01.12 EDITION: Final SECTION: City PAGE: C1 / Front COLUMN: Kelly Egan BYLINE: Kelly Egan SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Failed bids to deport Tehrankari a travesty - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ What do you have to do to get deported from this country? Allen Tehrankari, an Iranian refugee, tried just about everything. He robbed banks. He shot at the police. He shot at a civilian trying to do his civic duty, leaving bullet holes in the guy's windshield. He endangered a whole neighbourhood by fleeing on foot from the law. He took two hostages. He held them at gunpoint. He terrified two innocent people. He even threw up during the hostage drama, leaving a small business owner to clean up the mess. He tied up the court system. He spent eight years in Canadian prisons, at taxpayers' expense, during which he acted like a litigious ninny. He should have gone directly from jail, in leg irons, to the airport, en route to Tehran. Hey, Mr. Tehrankari, here is a Canadian value you might have missed at citizenship school: we don't steal and shoot at people because we're hard up for cash; we don't threaten to kill people to settle grievances. What a travesty. Here is an e-mail I received from a family member still reeling from the weekend news that Barbara Galway, 46, may have died at the hands of this misfit. "Any and every person in our legal system who aided in his remaining here now have Barbara's blood on their hands. Damn them all." People are that mad. To back up for a moment, Mr. Tehrankari was an ex-soldier in Iran who went on a breath-taking criminal spree in March 1992. One afternoon, he robbed a Canada Trust branch on Carling Avenue with a semi-automatic rifle. He made for a lousy bandit. He wore no mask, instead screaming at bank employees "Don't look at me!" He then escaped on foot. What kind of a bank robber doesn't have a getaway car? What kind of a bank robber runs across the Queensway? The foot chase, complete with flying bullets, continued down Carling Avenue. He stopped at two car dealerships. At the last one, Carling Motors, he stole a white shop coat, which made him look like a crazed lab technician. He then took two hostages and kept them terrorized in a small office building for about two hours. If not for the courage of one Bob Ireland, who booted his hostage-taker in the head and disarmed him, there might well have been two homicides that day. About the only thing he's done right in this country is plead guilty to the charges related to the bank robbery. He was sentenced in September 1992 to 12 years in prison and served eight. In defence of the Immigration Department, it recognized it had a bad apple on its hands. As senior writer Andrew Duffy explains in today's editions, the federal government twice tried to deport him to Iran, but was thwarted by the Federal Court of Canada. Seems Mr. Tehrankari would have got a frosty welcome back in Iran. No kidding. Maybe he should have kept his nose clean in Canada and tried to earn his citizenship, not abuse our goodwill with flying bullets. When he gets out of jail, a deportation order hanging over his head, his life resumes in a mundane manner. At some point, he gets an overnight job pumping gas at an Esso on Innes Road. He has a child. He becomes a landlord of a house on Florence Street in Centretown. He convinces people he is a Bible-following Christian. The most hideous part of the story was yet to come. Mr. Tehrankari is now charged with first-degree murder in the death of Ms. Galway, his sister-in-law. First killed, she was then set on fire and left in a remote part of the Mer Bleue Bog. This was a monstrous act. If the accusation holds up, it is all the more shocking. Ms. Galway came from a devout Christian family that tried its best to keep him in this country. How they must be feeling betrayed today. A terrible price has been exacted, though it is not yet known whose hand is responsible. Still, three children awake today without a mother; a husband without his wife. Stepping back for a moment, here is the part of the story that should concern everyone. The Canadian public is losing faith in the system that handles dangerous refugees. It is one thing to be compassionate. It is quite another to be stupid. We twice meted out one and the other. The pathetic conclusion to this story, wherever the guilt lies, is we now seem to be stuck with this villain for years to come. Allen Tehrankari wanted to stay in this country; to call Canada home. There was a better way than booking a bunk in a cell. Contact Kelly Egan at 726-5896 or by e-mail, kegan@thecitizen.canwest.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------- DECEMBER 15, 2004 - BREITKREUZ'S ACCESS TO INFORMATION REQUEST TO ANNE McLELLAN'S DEPARTMENT On October 27, 2004, Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan explained to the Standing Committee on Justice that "there are roughly 30,000 people in this country who are under removal order." On December 15, 2004, the National Post had a front page story on a "twice-deported career criminal" facing deportation his arrest following a six-month crime spree. The article went on to state: "Det. Sgt. Townley complained his desk is buried in similar files belonging to foreign criminals who manage to remain in the country." For the years 2003 and 2004, please provide copies of documents and reports showing: (1) The number of persons in Canada under "removal orders" including the reasons why they were ordered removed; (2) The number and types of crimes committed by persons subject to removal orders; and (3) The number of times persons under removal orders have been previously deported for committing criminal offences. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #697 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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