From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #901 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, March 20 2005 Volume 07 : Number 901 In this issue: Three arrested in separate gun incidents in city SUN MEN VISIT HANDGUN RANGE GUNNED-DOWN MOTORIST CALLED 911 Trudeau considered carrying a gun: book at least 16 gang-related shootings in the past three months. Man who killed B.C. Mountie bids for parole: Re: Three arrested in separate gun incidents in city Ruling Classes My letter to the Winnipeg Sun Squeezing off some fun (2) Re: Column: Liberals have reason to fear Post-script to Montreal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:33:45 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Three arrested in separate gun incidents in city PUBLICATION: WINNIPEG FREE PRESS DATE: 2005.03.20 PAGE: A3 SECTION: City BYLINE: Alexandra Pau - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Three arrested in separate gun incidents in city - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- WINNIPEG police are hoping city streets will be a bit safer following the arrests of three suspects in separate gun incidents. A teen being held in custody following a four-hour standoff on Pacific Avenue on Friday faces a range of charges linked to firearms, Winnipeg police reported yesterday. Police arrested the 16-year-old at the scene of the standoff, which occurred in the city's inner core after the occupant of a home on the street complained about a man with a gun. The standoff ended around 12:40 p.m. Friday when a youth with a black tuque and a cigarette dangling from his lips walked out of a house on Pacific near Isabel Street with his arms held high. Police spokeswoman Shelly Glover said yesterday officers recovered a firearm from the scene. The charges against the teen include uttering threats, possession of a weapon for dangerous purposes, careless use of a firearm and unauthorized possession of a firearm. The youth remains in custody. Police also said yesterday they have charged another 16-year-old youth with weapons offences after receiving complaints that a teen at a party pointed a loaded gun at someone. Police were called to the house party in the 100 block of Watt Street just before midnight Friday. They seized a gun found lying in the yard and arrested a youth who was outside the house. That youth was detained at the Manitoba Youth Centre. He faces charges of uttering threats, pointing a firearm, possessing a weapon and other weapons-related charges. And a man turned himself in to police in connection with a shooting a week ago that left another man with gunshot wounds, Winnipeg police reported yesterday. On March 13, a 30-year-old man was discovered suffering from gunshot wounds on MacKenzie Street near Stella Avenue. The shooting was investigated by the organized crime unit of the police, but Glover said yesterday the shooting appears not to be gang-related. "There are indications that these two men may be related to each other," Glover said. A 27-year -old man surrendered to police Wednesday evening around 8:30 p.m. He came forward on his own and not because the police had issued an appeal for him. Clarence Clayton Williams is charged with discharging a firearm with intent. He is in custody at the Winnipeg Remand Centre. alexandra.paul@freepress.mb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:38:15 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: SUN MEN VISIT HANDGUN RANGE PUBLICATION: The Winnipeg Sun DATE: 2005.03.20 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A4 ILLUSTRATION: photo by Brian Donogh Pistol-packing reporters Schmeichel and Turenne compare calibres at The Firing Line shooting range. BYLINE: DAVID SCHMEICHEL - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- SQUEEZING OFF SOME FUN SUN MEN VISIT HANDGUN RANGE - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Pistol-packing reporters Schmeichel (left) and Turenne compare calibres at The Firing Line shooting range. File this one under "Things I Didn't Know About Myself." Up until last week, I had never picked up a working firearm before and, like a lot of people, I never really expected to. When it comes to The Great Gun Debate, I'm a non-participant. I know I don't need a gun around the house and I silently have to question the logic of anyone who thinks they do. Guns belong in the hands of cops and soldiers and hunters and cowboys. I can also get behind guns for movie stars, who seem inexplicably cooler when they're packing heat. Now I'm no movie star, but I did log countless hours playing cops and robbers as a kid, so when the opportunity arose to tour The Firing Line Gun Club -- a St. Boniface shooting range -- I had to abandon my principles and go. And, since The Sun seems dead-set on turning my story ideas into contests, I took Paul Turenne along for a little shoot-out. Sheldon, the club's president, told us people either love it or hate it the first time they pick up a gun, with few falling in between. After trying out four different calibres, I'm still not sure where I fit. I need to squint and stick my tongue out just to look through a video camera lens, so the act of lining up my sight was a bit tricky. But I can see how sport shooting would make a great stress-reliever and have to admit I loved the sound of the gun and the way it felt in my hands. And I was thrilled when the targets were tallied and I'd scored a respectable 175 out of 190 -- four more, it should be pointed out, than Paul. In fairness, Paul seemed much more comfortable with his weapons. He never once scrunched up his face to make a shot and he didn't burst into startled laughter every time his gun went off. And that's kind of my point. On horseback, or in space, or a speeding car, or any other cinematic setting you can think of, I pretty much promise I'll miss what I'm aiming at. But at a gun club, with plenty of time to squint and stick my tongue out, I'm apparently a pretty decent shot. Good to know. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:38:32 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: GUNNED-DOWN MOTORIST CALLED 911 PUBLICATION: The Calgary Sun DATE: 2005.03.20 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 4 BYLINE: DAVE BREAKENRIDGE, CALGARY SUN - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DRIVER SHOT ON CITY'S SOUTH SIDE GUNNED-DOWN MOTORIST WAS BEHIND THE WHEEL WHEN HE CALLED 911 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ City cops were on the hunt for a gunman after a man was shot in the leg and the abdomen, forcing him to call 911 while behind the wheel on a southside road last night. Just past 8 p.m., police and EMS were called after a 22-year-old man said he was shot. Police were still investigating last night, but Insp. Keith Pollock said the man was able to drive himself to the Esso station in the 2800 block of 17 Ave. S.E., from where he was originally shot. His car was riddled with bullets. "We located an adult male suffering gunshot wounds," Pollock said. Officers from District 4 were being assisted by the community response team, and police are looking into the possibility the shooting is gang-related. "We're looking at everything right now," Pollock said. While police were still trying to pin down where the shooting took place, EMS Duty Supt. Randy Bryksa said the victim told dispatch he was on Glenmore Tr., somewhere near Blackfoot Tr. S.E. He was suffering numerous gunshot wounds to the lower leg and abdomen when he was found. "I think he was on the line with our dispatch the whole time," Bryksa said. "He was transported to Foothills hospital in serious but non-life threatening condition." The gunplay is the latest in a spate of shootings in the city, the last on March 14, when four shots from a 9-mm firearm hit a home in the 500 block of Rundleridge Dr. N.E. No one was injured in that incident, which followed two other shootings last weekend. On March 10, a 41-year-old man was shot in the leg three times during a home invasion at 6031 8 Ave. S.E. And 22-year-old John Pheng was shot and killed inside Shaken Drink Room, at 1137 17 Ave S.W., on Feb. 26. Pheng's death has been directly linked to gang violence. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:38:52 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Trudeau considered carrying a gun: book PUBLICATION: The Daily News (Halifax) DATE: 2005.03.20 SECTION: Your Books PAGE: 13 BYLINE: SOURCE: CanWest - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trudeau considered carrying a gun: book - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pierre Trudeau was so worried about his safety following his retirement from politics that he contemplated carrying a pistol. This anecdote from Robert Simmonds, who was head of the RCMP from 1977-1987, is one of scores found in Pierre. In a first-person account, Simmonds said he met Trudeau on a Montreal street sometime after the flamboyant former Liberal leader left the political scene in 1984. "At the time, he had some concerns regarding his personal security and the security of his Montreal home and we talked about that," Simmonds writes. "He thought that, perhaps, it would be wise for him to carry a pistol. "I (naturally) advised against such an approach and suggested that he leave all that to the (RCMP) force, which retains responsibility for the security of a retired prime minister as long as there is an actual or perceived threat." "I believe that he accepted my assessment of the situation ... However, his suggested approach served as one more example of his long streak of independence and desire to take care of himself, no matter the circumstances." In Pierre, the reader learns of the temporary loss of his Roman Catholic faith following the 1998 death of his youngest son, Michel, while skiing in British Columbia. "The real crisis for him, I believe, was he couldn't pray to a God he felt was 'responsible' for Mich's death, a God who now, indeed, looked like an overpowering shit," Southam writes. "Even when he was dissuaded of that notion, he still was mad at God, a feeling he'd not experienced in some 60 years, since his father's death and that threw him into prayer turmoil. He knew God was somewhere, but he couldn't yell at God." Southam said that Trudeau did regain his faith before he died in 2000. "The experience wrecked him, certainly, but made his faith much more vibrant and strong." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:39:12 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: at least 16 gang-related shootings in the past three months. PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald DATE: 2005.03.20 EDITION: Final SECTION: City & Region PAGE: A10 / Front BYLINE: Tarina White SOURCE: Calgary Herald - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Gang unit probes shooting - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- A man bleeding from gunshot wounds stumbled into a southeast gas station Saturday night asking a clerk to call for help. The Calgary police gang unit is investigating the shooting of the Asian man who drove his bullet-riddled vehicle to the Esso station in the 2800-block of 17th Ave. S.E. around 8 p.m. There have been at least 16 gang-related shootings in the past three months. This 22-year-old victim, who was shot in the abdomen and the leg was taken by ambulance to Foothills Medical Centre in serious, but non-life threatening condition. "The gang unit has been called out," said District 4 Acting Sgt. Andrew Macleod. Yellow police tape cordoned off the gas station where a burgundy Honda Accord sat parked with at least five bullet holes in the driver's door. Police were uncertain Saturday night where the shooting took place or how many people were involved. "At this point, he hasn't been able to tell us too much," Macleod said about the victim, who was undergoing surgery. Police found several bullets inside the car. twhite@theherald.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:39:36 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Man who killed B.C. Mountie bids for parole: PUBLICATION: The Province DATE: 2005.03.20 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A26 BYLINE: Jack Keating SOURCE: The Province ILLUSTRATION: Photo: The Province / Richmond Mountie Const. Tom Agar, 26,was killed in 1980. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Man who killed B.C. Mountie bids for parole: STEVEN LECLAIR: In 1980 he killed 4 people in a shooting spree - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A Vancouver man who killed four people, including a Richmond RCMP officer, could be back on the streets as early as this week. Steven Lee LeClair was 34 when he went on a shooting rampage, killing three people in the Palace Hotel's beer parlour on East Hastings Street on Sept. 19, 1980. He then hijacked a car and drove to Richmond RCMP headquarters, where he gunned down Const. Tom Agar, 26, who was standing behind the front counter at the detachment. Another RCMP officer was shot in the leg but managed to shoot LeClair, who then surrendered to police. LeClair, convicted of first-degree murder, was given a mandatory sentence of life without parole for 25 years. In September 1998, a B.C. Supreme Court jury rejected LeClair's bid for early parole under the so-called "faint-hope clause" of the Criminal Code. Agar's widow, Joyce Agar, joined other relatives of the victims in offering written statements opposing the early release of LeClair at his 1998 parole eligibility review hearing. Joyce Agar was eight months pregnant and had a one-year-old daughter when her husband was killed. Pub manager Anthony Dutkiewicz, 50, waiter James McDonald, 35, and patron Frieda Kradepohl, 72, who was hit by a stray bullet, were killed when a vengeful LeClair returned to the bar with a gun after being evicted by bar staff. LeClair will request unescorted temporary absences and day parole at a hearing on Tuesday. He became eligible for unescorted temporary absences and day parole on Sept. 19, 2002, but this week's hearing is his first bid to leave prison under those terms. He becomes eligible for full parole in six months, on Sept. 19. Carol Morrison of the National Parole Board said LeClair is "eligible for the day-parole application and he's being seen for early release. "We will automatically see him for the full parole. He does not have to ask to be seen for full parole. We're required by law to do it. "At any parole hearing Corrections Canada makes a recommendation and the parole officer will present their views on the case. "Any victim, or any family members of victims of a case can come and read a statement if they want to," said Morrison. LeClair's lawyer, Abbotsford's Sarah Rauch, told The Province she was "not really interested in talking about his situation." "I'm not willing to answer any questions," she added. "I'm bound by solicitor-client privilege." jkeating@png.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:07:18 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Three arrested in separate gun incidents in city At 08:33 AM 3/20/05 -0600, you wrote: >PUBLICATION: WINNIPEG FREE PRESS >DATE: 2005.03.20 >PAGE: A3 >SECTION: City >BYLINE: Alexandra Pau > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - >---- > >Three arrested in separate gun incidents in city > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - >---- > >WINNIPEG police are hoping city streets will be a bit safer following the >arrests of three suspects in separate gun incidents. > >A teen being held in custody following a four-hour standoff on Pacific >Avenue on Friday faces a range of charges linked to firearms, Winnipeg >police reported yesterday. > >Police arrested the 16-year-old at the scene of the standoff, which occurred >in the city's inner core after the occupant of a home on the street >complained about a man with a gun. > >The standoff ended around 12:40 p.m. Friday when a youth with a black tuque >and a cigarette dangling from his lips walked out of a house on Pacific near >Isabel Street with his arms held high. > >Police spokeswoman Shelly Glover said yesterday officers recovered a firearm >from the scene. The charges against the teen include uttering threats, >possession of a weapon for dangerous purposes, careless use of a firearm and >unauthorized possession of a firearm. > >The youth remains in custody. The streets are only safer while these miscreants are in custody. It is the person that is dangerous, not the object. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:07:38 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim S." Subject: Ruling Classes Ed - > Well if the PC`s get elected and then change nothing ? it would be > tantamount to dictatorship and tyranny by the ruling clases. > > (which we already have by the Lieberals) > > so whats the next step after we have become total slaves ? > ed/ontario We won't be total slaves. :-) One thing to keep in mind is that the ruling class rules by the consent of the governed. The French Revolution and the downfall of the Soviet Union illustrate that perfectly. They dare not impose order too harshly for fear of a backlash. Bill C-68 has shown them that much. Even the Liberals concede that it is not being applied as it is written As the economy slides in the coming recession, the Libs (and CPC) will have a harder and harder time justifying multi-hundreds of millions of dollars annually for the Registry. At some point, they will come up with a "new initiative", thanks to the resistance of Canada's firearms owners, and in an "improved" piece of legislation, they will change the focus to some other less polarizing way to spend money. The single most dangerous weapon in the world is the mind. As long as the ruling elite understand that, we will get by, with inconvenieces. Jim Szpajcher St. Paul, AB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:20:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to the Winnipeg Sun Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Squeezing off some fun I'm glad that reporter David Schmeichel enjoyed himself, learned something, and allayed some of his fears about guns while target shooting at The Firing Line shooting range. He writes a balanced and fair article about his experiences, which isn't always the case with many reporters. There is one thing in his story that must be addressed, however. He referes to the "need" some people have to own guns. It isn't about "need", it's about "rights", and "wants". The argument of "need" is fallacious right from the start. It supposes that somebody else is better able to decide for you what you do or do not "need". It also supposes that they have the authority to impose this decision on you. Once you allow the argument of "need" for one thing, there is no barring it from being used on anything else. Why do you need a car that exceeds the speed limit? Speed kills - hand over the keys to that Porsche. Why do you need a car at all? Get a bike - half a billion Chinese can't be wrong. Turn in your personal vehicle - ride the bus. Why do you need a house? Apartments are much more ecologically friendly, take up and use less resources. Into the tenements with you, comrade! Why do you need that computer? All kinds of crimes are committed using computers every day - including kiddie porn! You're not in favour of kiddie porn are you? Turn in your computer - you can make do with telephones and writing letters. There would be no end to it. The only thing that stops this is the inalienable right to own, use and dispose of property, and the inalienable right to keep and bear arms, which defends that right and all others. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:21:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Squeezing off some fun (2) http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/WinnipegSun/News/2005/03/20/966796-sun.html Squeezing off some fun Sun men visit handgun range By PAUL TURENNE Being a good shot is one of those old-school man skills -- like being able to barbecue a good steak, being able to hold your liquor, and knowing the sequence of winning poker hands. I can report I've discovered I'm a good shot. Just not as good as my colleague Dave Schmeichel. Dave and I paid a visit to The Firing Line Gun Club in St. Boniface last Monday in a continuing quest to determine who is better at unusual stuff. Having already schooled Dave in a massive burger-platter eating contest, I was sure I could easily hand him his butt at handgun shooting. I had fired plenty of guns before, from pellet guns to a .30-06 to the fake Uzi on the Operation Wolf arcade game. I even killed a deer in November. But that obviously wasn't good enough. Dave won 175 (out of 190) to 171. Seemingly pretty good scores, but we were only shooting from about eight yards. Sheldon, the club's president, let us use the 9-mm Beretta, the Smith and Wesson .357 revolver (my favourite), a .22-calibre High Standard Citation, and the good ol' Colt .45, which by far made the biggest holes in the target. People often talk about feeling a sense of power when they're gripping the cold steel, but I didn't get that sensation. The way I see it, guns don't represent some raw energy to be feared. They're just guns. And they're kind of cool. And they can be fun. Sure, people at "drinking parties" and in gang disputes often shoot each other with them, but a gun range hardly gives off the same vibe. Was it cool to bust a cap in a target? Hell, yeah. Did it make me feel like a big man? Not really (especially since I lost). Of course guns can be dangerous in malicious hands, but shooting is also an Olympic sport. Like I said, guns can be fun. In fact, "fun" was Sheldon's seventh rule of shooting. The Firing Line even hosts beginner classes and corporate retreats so people can come out and have a little fun. And our little shooting contest was fun. Even if I got screwed by missing too much with the stupid .22. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:42:46 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: Column: Liberals have reason to fear > PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald > DATE: 2005.03.20 > BYLINE: Don Martin > DATELINE: MONTREAL > The Conservative party wrapped up its founding policy convention in > Montreal > > Yet they made sure to reserve enough policy to differentiate them from > the > Liberals, specifically a push to end the gun registry, Anybody have the wording of this resolution ?? Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:10:38 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Post-script to Montreal Seems to be the story in most of the major media. > The convention decided the price of power dictates a watered-down > whine. And they made sure to put their drift away from ideology > toward pragmatism on display for the media. > But if voters are looking for a 21st century reassurance that the > Conservatives are no longer neanderthals dragging their knuckles into > Ottawa from the Prairie Bible Belt, well, the evidence was there on > the convention floor. > > For a tired, tainted, debt-ridden Liberal party, there may yet be > considerable cause to be nervous Nellies as the next election > approaches. The 'devil' will be in 'some' of the policy details. . ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #901 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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