From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #913 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, March 23 2005 Volume 07 : Number 913 In this issue: My letter to McLeans Massacre mystery [EDITORIAL] Double standard My letter to several Sun newspapers Iraqi citizens shoot back Report from the Sun Scary news Another 'good' example Re: My letter to several Sun newspapers potentially harmful Got this off McGuinty gets cold shoulder from Feds ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:24:47 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to McLeans Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:18 PM Subject: Authorities search for a motive in Minnesota school shootings The cause for the most recent school shooting is obvious: Weise was bullied and tormented for 5 years or more, and nobody did anything about it. The best solution is also obvious: allow citizens to arm themselves for their own defense and that of others. The main reason why shootings take place at schools, and churches, and courthouses, and other such "public" places is that US Federal Law has deemed these to be "gun free zones". This makes them perfect targets for crazies and others with murder and mayhem in mind. The Isrealis used to have a similar law, until terrorists started to shoot them up; once the law was repealed and the arming of guards and teachers was implemented, the attacks stopped. Two of the more recent school shootings were stopped by armed citizens who stepped up to defend themselves and their fellow students. Two concealed carry permit holders were credited with saving the lives of victims at the courthouse shootings in Texas. The two security guards at the Red Lake shooting were unarmed - and one died because of it. If the Governement is going to strip citizens of the means to effect their right to self defense, then they are required to provide that defense for them. They cannot. The costs alone would be exorbitant. Without the means to defend oneself, one becomes simply a victim, huddled in the corner hoping the Todesengel passes you by. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:34:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Massacre mystery http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2005/03/23/969602-sun.html Massacre mystery Teen's motive unknown: FBI By DEAN PRITCHARD, SUN MEDIA IT WAS a sequence of events as audacious as it was horrifying. After gunning down his police sergeant grandfather in his home, 16-year-old Jeffrey Weise stole his bullet-proof vest, police belt and gun before jumping into his cruiser and launching the worst school massacre since Columbine in April 1999. "Sometime prior to the school incident ... armed with a .22-calibre weapon he shot and killed (Daryl) Lussier and (his companion) Michelle Sigana," said FBI special agent Michael Tabman. Once inside the school, the teen was confronted by an unarmed security guard, 28-year-old Derrick Brun. Weise shot Brun dead. Continuing down the hall, he saw teacher Neva Winnecoup Rogers and several students and fired in their direction. Rogers was killed. Hearing the shots, students and adults barricaded themselves into offices and classrooms, crouching under desks. Weise continued to roam the school, firing randomly at terrified students. After polcie arrived, Weise shot at the officers and at least one officer returned fire, Tabman said. "Shortly after the exchange, he went into (a) classroom were he killed people and he took his own life," shooting himself in the head, Tabman said. Dead are students Thurlene Stillday, Chase Lussier, Dwayne Lewis and Chanelle Rosebear, all 15, and Alicia Spike, 14. Two 15-year-olds remain in critical condition at a hospital in Fargo, N.D. after being shot in the face. Tabman said the students appear to have been shot at random and police have no motive for the slaughter. "The nature of the activities would indicate there was some planning," he said. Authorities were investigating whether Weise, who dressed in black and wrote stories about zombies, may have posted messages on a neo-Nazi website expressing admiration for Adolf Hitler. Using the handle Todesengel -- German for Angel of Death -- the writer identified himself as Jeff Weise of the Red Lake Reservation. Relatives said Weise was a loner who was often teased by others. His father committed suicide four years ago and his mother was living in a Minneapolis nursing home because she suffered brain injuries in a car accident. Floyd Jourdain, tribal chairman of the Red Lake Band of Chippewa, said the reserve was in "utter disbelief and shock. "We have never seen anything like this in the history of our tribe and without doubt this is the darkest day in the history of our people." In Ottawa, the Assembly of First Nations issued a statement offering "the deepest sympathies of First Nations in Canada" to the citizens of Red Lake reservation. The reservation is 385 km north of the Twin Cities. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:14:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: [EDITORIAL] Double standard http://www.canoe.ca/CalgarySun/editorial.html Double standard Anyone familiar with the federal Liberal party knows that it is one long, continuing festival of indignation. That by Liberal lights, it's OK for them to constantly smear their political opponents as racists, bigots and worse. Of course, while the Liberals believe they have a divine right to call their critics every name in the book, woe to anyone who dares to give them a taste of their own medicine. Such as Conservative MP Cheryl Gallant, who recently accused the Liberals of being anti-Christian in a flyer to her constituents. Of course the Liberals are predictably expressing horror and demanding apologies and retractions. And, just as predictably, both they and the national media hounded Conservative Leader Stephen Harper to denounce Gallant's views. But wait a minute. What about all the times Liberal MPs have accused the Conservatives of being, say, anti-immigrant? This simply for criticizing Canada's sieve of an immigration and refugee system which is internationally notorious. So why is Prime Minister Paul Martin never called to account by the media when Conservative MPs complain about being called names by the Grits? Why do most media, except the Sun, tend to treat those complaints as a bit of a joke, while being so sensitive, along with the Liberals, to anything both of them judge to be politically incorrect? Why the double standard? Come to think of it, Martin has all sorts of MPs in his caucus who are every bit as socially conservative as some of those on the Conservative benches. Why is Martin, unlike Harper, never asked to account for them? Gallant, to be sure, has made some statements which aren't politically astute. But in this case, she based her claim that the Liberals are anti-Christian on the fact that Calgary's Catholic Bishop Fred Henry was threatened with the loss of his church's charitable status during the last federal election by an official with the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency. This because he had called Martin a bad Catholic for supporting same-sex marriage in a letter sent to his parishes. The government bureaucrat told Bishop Henry that such a statement violated the requirement that charitable organizations must remain politically neutral. While the CCRA backed off after the controversy became public, has it been equally vigilant over the years with regard to all the left-wing church leaders in this country who bash Conservative MPs for many of their views? We doubt it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:27:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to several Sun newspapers Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: Re: 25,000 WEAPONS SEIZED AT BORDER Let's see now, 5,446 guns over a five year period were seized at our borders. That's 1,089 per year. That's like 3 a day. Not bad. But one has to wonder how many of these were actually being "smuggled" by criminals, or how many were simply the personal property of hapless American tourists who weren't aware of our draconian gun laws, and who had no intent to sell them while visiting our country? I don't think that relieveing uninformed Yankees of their guns is anything to crow about, when only 3% of the containers coming in through our ports get any kind of inspection whatsoever. There's no telling how many guns and other contraband is really being smuggled into our country, let alone any way to stop it. Our Customs agency shouldn't be so quick to pat themselves on the back. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:41:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Iraqi citizens shoot back http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2005/03/23/969530-sun.htm l Iraqi citizens shoot back Armed residents kill three insurgents shooting at passersby in a rare show of frustration. AP 2005-03-23 03:47:19 BAGHDAD -- Shopkeepers and residents on one of Baghdad's main streets pulled out their own guns yesterday and killed three insurgents when hooded men began shooting at passersby, giving a rare victory to civilians increasingly frustrated by the violence bleeding Iraq. The clash in the capital's southern Doura neighbourhood erupted when militants in three cars sprayed bullets at shoppers. Three people -- a man, a woman and a child -- were wounded. The motive was unclear, but there have been previous attacks in the ethnically mixed neighbourhood. Earlier in the day, gunmen in the same quarter killed a police officer as he drove to work, police Lt.-Col. Hafidh Al-Ghrayri said. A forceful citizen response is rare, but not unheard of in a country where conflict has become commonplace and the law allows each home to have a weapon. Early this month, police said townspeople in Wihda, 40 kilometres south of Baghdad, attacked a group of militants believed planning to raid the town and killed seven. Yesterday's gunbattle came as seven-member U.S. congressional delegation paid a one-day visit to Baghdad, and the man expected to serve as the next prime minister, Shiite politician Ibrahim al-Jaafari, reportedly told the group he is in no hurry for U.S. troops to leave Iraq. Senator Barbara Boxer, a Democrat from California who strongly opposed the war, said al-Jaafari didn't seem as "upbeat as our people, who seem to be very excited about the quality of the Iraqi police force." "My sense was he was certainly in no rush to hand over security to his new police force," she said. Iraq's current prime minister, Iyad Allawi, urged the new National Assembly to expedite negotiations on forming a coalition government "so as to resume the operation of rebuilding Iraq in all fields." Seeking to seal a political deal, the Shiite spiritual leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, was expected to meet today with Jalal Talabani, the Kurdish leader likely to become the country's next president. Elections on Jan. 30 gave the biggest block of seats to a Shiite alliance backed by al-Sistani, but it doesn't have enough votes to select a cabinet on its own and is negotiating for the support of the Kurds, the second-largest group in the National Assembly. The Kurds want an agreement to return the oil-rich northern city of Kirkuk to the autonomous Kurdish region as soon as the government is installed. But an official from al-Sistani's office said the ayatollah wants that issue dealt with in the constitution to be drafted by the assembly. Ousted dictator Saddam Hussein had Kurds forcibly removed from Kirkuk and the surrounding area and moved in Iraqi Arabs to strengthen his control of the oilfields. In other violence yesterday, Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire attacked an apparent insurgent training camp near Lake Tharthar in eastern Iraq, killing an undetermined number of militants and capturing 20, the U.S. military said. Seven commandos were reported dead and six wounded. And in the northern city of Mosul, the deputy police commander, Col. Wathiq Ali, said 17 militants were killed and 14 captured late Monday after an assassination attempt on police officials. Copyright © The London Free Press ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:19:01 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Report from the Sun Sunday Sun; post Convention > While the convention might have gotten the party through the > intersection without a wreck, the gathering was also a glaring > reminder that the Conservatives still have a lot of mileage to cover > before the next election. The impressive turnout of delegates from > the electoral heartland of Ontario this weekend, for instance, belies > the utter meltdown of public support for the merged party in the last > election. > > With 106 of the 308 seats in Parliament, Ontario is obviously pivotal > to Conservative fortunes. What polices will Ontario's Red Tories buy? > But nowhere is the road to electoral success longer and more potholed > than in Quebec. > > With zero of the province's 75 seats, the Conservatives have next to > no chance of forming a majority government without significant gains > in Quebec. What will Nationalist Quebecers buy? Will the Separatists ever listen? What will the East buy? The above analysis would be expected. But this comment was also reported in the 'Blue' Sun. > This weekend's convention isn't likely to help. > > While holding the gathering in Montreal was obviously an intentional > gesture to Quebecers, it also gave heightened media coverage to some > of the newly minted Conservative party policies that won't sit at all > well in la belle province. > > Quebecers, for instance, are certain to be ballistic over Harper's > promise this weekend to revisit Canadian participation in U.S. > missile defence. Ditto on the Conservatives' official opposition to > same-sex marriage -- Quebec is a hotbed of passionate liberalism on > that and other social issues. No votes there. And what 'softer' policy on the 'gun registry' will be tolerated? > Finally, despite almost a dozen personal appearances in Quebec over > the past six months, Harper is virtually nowhere in the psyche of the > average voter there. > > Elsewhere in the country, despite all the hopeful convention rhetoric > to the contrary, the merged party is neither united nor overflowing > with election-fighting enthusiasm. > > The convention hall during the past three days had the unmistakable > air of a party resigned to losing one more election under Harper. Didn't the Sun see the optimism other media reported? > Even if the Conservatives can muster the will to fight, the way may > be tricky -- the party is more than $10 million short of what it > needs for another election. And one recent pundit was recently blathering on about the Libs being short of cash. Martin could personally fund a national campaign. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:19:25 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Scary news In Sunday's T. Sun; Reins on Karla 'a joke' > Wamback said in Ontario there are currently 90,000 people who are > listed as "under supervision," including people on probation, parole > and conditional release. But there are only 900 officers to monitor > them. What'd the approx. cost be for this 'inadequate' supervision? $8-$10 Mil? Add in those in the sex offender registry, prohibited persons, those on restraining orders and other assorted kooks and anti social types. How many are there who should be in a Bad Ass Registry. I note several references to 170 and 174,000 nasty persons who should be under stringent watch. What's the composition of the number and source? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:19:50 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Another 'good' example There was a follow up article in the London Free Press about how Council intends to review the validity of it's privacy intruding, downtown surveillance cameras. The police 'spin' is while the cameras have not reduced 'crime' they have aided in triggering responses to numerous other incidents, including a single medical alert. This should be a good item to follow because Council appears disinclined to buy into the 'even one life' rationale. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:20:44 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: My letter to several Sun newspapers Just the other day, the union for Canada's border guards claimed there was some 3000 incidents of vehicles speeding through border crossings. This taking place mostly on rural roads that have no Canada Customs office. Meanwhile Commander New Boots, the head of the RCMP, is claiming that moving RCMP constables away from these areas, ie closing small cop shops is actually making our border safer. Gee, I wonder how all those illegal hand guns are getting into the country. Paul C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:20:51 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: potentially harmful RCMP Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli said he hopes a review of judicial and law enforcement systems will give cops the tools to go after violent types like Alberta's James Roszko in a more aggressive way. "There isn't a police officer who can't give you a list of a number of people in his or her area anywhere in Canada ... and say these people are potentially dangerous people," Zaccardelli said at an Ottawa press conference yesterday. "There are people out there that could potentially cause harm and we know about them, but there are laws and procedures that we have to follow in dealing with them." KOMRADES time to put all the potentially harmful people in a registry..better yet..lock em up .we dont need no stinking judstice..if it saves only one life ....right ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:21:37 -0600 (CST) From: "M.J. Ackermann" Subject: Got this off Keith wrote: "Do not mistake Canadians' apparent passion for their country as anything resembling patriotism. It is the ignorant peasant's fear of the unknown allied with many decades of massive disinformation and indoctrination. Canadians, as a whole, are children who refuse to grow up". Keith, this is right on! I would like to quote you on my quotable quotes page, if I may. See: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/Quotes.html 50 years ago just after WWII Canada had a government that valued the independance and self-reliance of its people, and encouraged them to take action whenever and wherever the State could not. 50 years from now, people like me will be fighting an armed insurrection against a tyrannical regime that is just now starting to come out of the shadows and show itself for the monster it is. To me, either situation would be preferable to the limbo we now find ourselves in - Too late to stop them, too early to kill them. I hope that when the time comes I am not too old to be of use to the Fight for Freedom. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:21:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: McGuinty gets cold shoulder from Feds http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2005/03/23/970357-cp.html McGuinty gets cold shoulder from Feds By ALEXANDER PANETTA OTTAWA (CP) - The Liberal premier of Ontario got brushed off by his federal cousins as MPs refused Wednesday to grant Dalton McGuinty a meeting on federal-provincial cash transfers. A rift between provincial and federal Liberals widened when Ontario MPs rejected a request McGuinty made weeks earlier to meet with them behind closed doors. He hoped to enlist them in his battle against Ottawa over the $23-billion gap between what Ontario pays into the federation and gets back in transfer payments. But federal Liberals are dismissing his attacks as an attempt to deflect blame for the multibillion-dollar deficit that will likely appear in the upcoming provincial budget. McGuinty made a phone call to the federal Liberals' Ontario caucus chair, Sarmite Bulte, and requested a meeting earlier this month. She checked with her colleagues and concluded there wasn't much appetite for one. "Why should we react because Dalton McGuinty has decided he wants to have an argument with his federal Liberal cousins in public?" said Toronto-area MP Sarmite Bulte, who announced her decision Wednesday at a closed-door gathering of Liberal MPs. "It's unfortunate that Mr. McGuinty has decided to make this into a media event and we're not prepared to play the same game," she said in an interview. The current squabble has re-opened old wounds that were first laid bare last year, when Ontario delivered a bad-news provincial budget on the eve of a federal election campaign. Outraged Ontario voters fumed at McGuinty for breaking a key campaign promise not to raise taxes, and many federal Liberals feel they suffered at the polls as a result. Prime Minister Paul Martin publicly distanced himself from McGuinty during the campaign. It's clear federal bitterness still lingers. "That cost us 10 seats in Ontario," said one MP, who suggested the Liberals' reduced minority status was largely McGuinty's fault. Another MP said the federal Liberals will do everything they can to distance themselves from the premier. "People have been calling him a liar since the day he got elected - he didn't keep any of his promises," said the Ontario Liberal, who asked not to be identified. But an aide to McGuinty said Ontario Liberals will not abandon their campaign in the face of disdain from their federal allies. "We will not go away on this," said the senior official. "(The feds) cannot bury their heads in the sand. . . . Ontarians know that too much of their money is being spent by the federal government in other provinces." Infrastructure Minister John Godfrey derided the complaint from Ontario, comparing it to a rich person who gripes about paying taxes. "They're lucky enough to be prosperous - it's a function of prosperity," Godfrey said of Ontario's contribution, which helps poorer regions of the country. "I agree that one could play this game - this blame game - but it's not very helpful." The current squabble is reminiscent of the federal-provincial battle with Newfoundland over equalization. Premier Danny Williams stomped out of two meetings with his federal counterparts, ordered the Maple Leaf lowered at the provincial legislature, and ultimately walked away about $2 billion under a new equalization agreement with Ottawa. The cash helped Williams announce an extra $180 million for health care this week in his provincial budget, which also promised a new arts and culture centre for St. John's. By comparison, McGuinty says Ontario faces a $6 billion deficit in its upcoming budget unless Ottawa ponies up more cash. The federal government has offered to have some cabinet ministers sit down with their Ontario counterparts. But one cabinet heavyweight suggested those discussions might not happen until after the provincial budget, which is expected in May. "It's unfortunate we're at this stage of the game," said Joe Volpe, the federal political minister for Ontario. "I think our provincial cousins are worrying about their upcoming budget - maybe we should wait until after the budget." Finance Minister Ralph Goodale also announced this week that a federal panel will study the 48-year-old equalization program and make recommendations by the end of the year. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #913 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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