From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V7 #982 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, April 15 2005 Volume 07 : Number 982 In this issue: re: Ancaster News article Gun show in Consort, Alberta Re: Ancaster News article Re: O'Brien walking the plank Great-great-grandma takes down robber Gord Brown, MP: Is he perhaps looking at a Liberal knife registry? Dog shooting rekindles debate Cops bust gun, sex, drug ring JTF2 soldier missing since 2003 surfaces in Thailand Poll says leadership, sponsorship new top issues ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:12:46 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Gingrich Subject: re: Ancaster News article Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:35:53 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Subject: Truth minor annoyance in achieving gun ban Letter to the editor of the Ancaster News.. - --------------------------------------------------- Bill, is it possible to submit Wendy's article on Ancaster News to the Digest? Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:18:10 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Gun show in Consort, Alberta Gun show in Consort, Alberta this weekend 16/17 April. Always lots of interesting firearms, excellent food, and GREAT music. These folks know how to do a gun show right !! CUFOA will be there promoting the Gordon Hitchen Memorial Unregistered Firearm Skeet Shoot. Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:28:51 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Ancaster News article - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Gingrich" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: re: Ancaster News article > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:35:53 -0600 (CST) > From: Bill > Subject: Truth minor annoyance in achieving gun ban > > Letter to the editor of the Ancaster News.. > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Bill, is it possible to submit Wendy's article on Ancaster News to the > Digest? I live in Ancaster and have yet to recieve a copy please post to the forum ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:59:03 -0600 (CST) From: "John E. Stevens" Subject: Re: O'Brien walking the plank At 01:29 AM 4/15/2005, Lee wrote: >Bruce asked: > > > Lee, do you have anything on this that's "on the record"? > > > Personally, I wouldn't trust a Lieberal as far as I could spit... > >The story's been in all the major media for the past three days. >Interesting side note. One media wag suggested that counter to O'Brien's >talk of being 'recruited' by the CPC (it 'IS' the name of the Party on my >membership card) he is exactly the kind of 'albatross' the >Conservatives have been trying to unload. And that's the truth. I lived in this guy's riding when Al Rock was doing his thing. Pat was a total believer. Once he learned a constituant might be opposed to the legislation, all correspondence was flagged for the circular file. He was known to seldom respond to anything that was not a bbq invite. The only "positive" is that he generally advocates anything that his leader speaks. He's been brought back into the fold...........and I expect to see his reward will be announced in the near future. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:23:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Great-great-grandma takes down robber http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2005/04/15/999106.html Great-great-grandma takes down robber JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) - A man accused of bursting into a convenience store demanding money was in the hospital Friday - shot, authorities said, by the great-great-grandmother working behind the counter. Janet Grammer was filling in for the regular clerk Thursday afternoon when a man entered the store waving a gun and fired two shot at the back wall. "I think he thought I was an old woman and would just give him the money," Grammer, 64, said Friday. "My life was at stake. I thought he was going to kill me." So she pulled a pistol out from under the cash register and fired once, hitting the man in the chest. He fell to the ground, dropped his gun and then fled, leaving a trail of blood. Grammer fired two more shots as he was running away. The sheriff's report said a man fitting the suspect's description and injury went to a hospital a short time later. He told doctors he shot himself. The man, whose name has not been released, was being treated at Shands Jacksonville hospital Friday for a wound to the chest. Police spokesman Ken Jefferson said the man faces robbery charges. Grammer, who has 10 children, 32 grandchildren, three great-grandchildren and three great-great-grandchildren, said she worried she had killed the man. "All I could think about was his poor parents," Grammer said. Grammer said she never had to shoot anyone during her 10 years of working as a security guard. "I'm sick over it. It was very upsetting. I'm not feeling real perky." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:29:50 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Gord Brown, MP: Is he perhaps looking at a Liberal knife registry? House of Commons Debates Friday, April 15, 2005 ORAL QUESTIONS Unedited copy - not official until printed in Hansard * * * Mr. Gord Brown (Leeds-Grenville, CPC): Mr. Speaker, anyone familiar with justice in Canada, including violent crime victims, must have been shocked yesterday to hear the justice minister say mandatory minimum sentences do not deter crime. I understand Liberal nervousness about crimes with mandatory jail sentences. I was asking about crimes with knives, not cash envelopes and chequebooks. Can the minister explain his outrageous view that is an insult to crime victims, police and law abiding Canadians who demand protection? Hon. Paul Harold Macklin (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the hon. member really should do a little research. If he did the research, he would find out that mandatory minimum penalties do not generally work. If we look at the experience in the United States, we will see that they are now removing so many of their mandatory minimum sentences simply because the courts and the lawyers in the system have found ways around them and they really have not become effective as deterrents. Mr. Gord Brown (Leeds-Grenville, CPC): Mr. Speaker, the minister's academic banter may sound enlightened in the we know best taxpayer subsidized limousine lecture hall, but it rings hollow to people victimized by knife crimes and the police who fight crime on our streets each and everyday. Could the minister explain yesterday's answer in light of existing mandatory minimum sentences for firearm homicide, drunk driving and other crimes? Is he perhaps looking at a Liberal knife registry? Hon. Paul Harold Macklin (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, if the hon. member looks at the record he will find out that we have more mandatory minimum sentences relating to gun use and gun crime than any other area within our law. The fact is that is already in place and we have to work with many tools within our arsenal in order to deal with crime. Mandatory minimums are there, but we also need to put resources with our police. We need to make sure they have all the tools necessary to meet the needs of our communities. * * * ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:39:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Dog shooting rekindles debate http://www.whistlerquestion.com/madison%5CWQuestion.nsf/0/BAE0AAF798A7AE4788 256FE300654664?OpenDocument Dog shooting rekindles debate By David Burke Reporter Pemberton-area pet owner wonders, 'What do you do for protection?' The recent shooting of a domestic dog near Pemberton has left the owner in a quandary over what to do to ensure his own safety and that of his pets. Steve Erickson, whose dog Sequoia survived the shooting that took place on Sunday, April 3, near Owl Creek east of Pemberton, said he was pleased with the prompt initial response from the RCMP. But when he called a couple of days later to inquire, he was told that the file was closed - police had investigated and found little evidence to continue with an investigation. They promised to re-open the file if new evidence comes to light, he said. Erickson, though, said he's not giving up - he plans to see whether he can find evidence. And he's wondering whether the response to his and similar situations in the Pemberton area is sufficient to deter would-be future dog-shooters, and ensure the safety of the public. "What's the deal now. Should I wear a flak jacket when I'm out walking my dogs? What do you do for protection?" said Erickson, who lives in the nearby Owl Ridge subdivision. "Do you have to keep your dog within 50 feet of you when you're out walking? "I think people who are shooting are starting to see that there's apparently not going to be any penalty." Erickson said the situation with Sequoia is similar to the one that occurred last November, when an eight-month-old white Samoyed was shot and killed while its owners were mountain biking on a trail in the McKenzie Basin near Pemberton. The most notable differences are that Sequoia - a 25-pound, 14-month-old female German shepherd-collie cross - survived the attack (she did, however, require surgery which cost Erickson $1,700), and it was not deer-hunting season, as it was when the Samoyed was shot. Erickson said he met the man he alleges did the shooting. At about 5 p.m., he was enjoying the waters of Owl Creek and his three dogs were playing up on the bank, about 50 feet away, when Erickson heard two shots ring out. He said Sequoia yelped, but based on past experience, he thought she was merely frightened by the noise. She ran away, toward Erickson's vehicle. Concerned about his own safety, he hid behind a tree and yelled. Another voice yelled back, and Erickson said he then emerged and confronted the man, whom he described as a 27-year-old white male wearing glasses and a bandana on his head. The man, he said, was carrying two rifles and was visibly shaking as he ejected the shell casings from one of them. "He said, 'Are those your dogs? I thought it was a pack of wild dogs,'" Erickson said. Erickson said the man yelled behind him and two males briefly appeared from behind a rocky outcropping. He said he only got enough of a look at them to determine that they were aboriginal, but couldn't describe much else about them. Erickson said that when he encountered the alleged shooter, he thought the man ha d merely fired into the air to scare the dogs away. It was only after the men had departed and Erickson returned to his vehicle that he realized Sequoia was wounded and needed immediate help. "If I'd known they had shot my dog, it would have been a totally different story," said Erickson, who said he has "five or six years" of martial-arts training. He phoned the RCMP, who responded quickly and gathered the information. He then took Sequoia to the office of veterinarian Dr. David Lane, who operated on Sequoia the next day. The bullet, Erickson said, passed through Sequoia's right front leg, fracturing a bone in her leg. It then passed through her chest and came out the other side, grazing her left front leg. Erickson said he's happy his dog survived but hopes that somehow, the shooter will be found and prosecuted. He said he thinks the shooter should at least pay his vet's bill. He also said he doubts that Sequoia or his other two dogs could be mistaken for "a pack of wild dogs" that would be considered a threat to humans. "If someone wants to tell me they're afraid for their lives because of a little puppy, I'm not going to believe them," Erickson said. Veronica Woodruff, who along with her husband James owned the Samoyed pup that was killed last November, said the shooting of Erickson's dog "makes me want to cry." She said she's still not sure enough is being done to protect public safety, in spite of the efforts over the past four months to ensure that different user groups can continue to use the trails safely. "I don't know what to do," Woodruff said. "Hunting season starts Sept. 10, and I have a new dog, and there's no way I'd go into the bush with my dog once that's underway. "I just think it (laws regarding hunting out of season) needs to be enforced," she said. "If this is supposed to be alright, then it's not acceptable." After the Woodruffs' dog was killed, the couple asked the Squamish-Lillooet Regional District (SLRD) to take some action aimed at protecting public safety. While SLRD officials said they didn't have the authority to ban hunting in the McKenzie Basin or elsewhere, they asked the Pemberton Valley Trails Association (PVTA) and Pemberton Wildlife Association (PWA) to get together to discuss an education program aimed at ensuring that users know their rights and responsibilities. Clarke Gatehouse, PWA president, last Friday said the two groups - the PWA representing hunters and PVTA representing other recreational trail users -- are almost ready to submit their proposals to the SLRD. The main component, he said, is the placement of kiosks at key access points to trails in the McKenzie Basin/Mosquito Lake area. Each kiosk is to include a map of the trails and a sign indicating that the trails are intended to be multi-use and urging everyone to be respectful of others while using the trails. The exact wording of the signs was still being finalized, Gatehouse said. The kiosks, he said, will be placed near the end of Pem berton Farm Road East, at the south end of Reid Road, on the road leading to the paragliding launch area and at the Pemberton Visitor Info Centre. "If you're accessing that area, you have to pass one of those signs," Gatehouse said. He said the Wildlife Act makes it unlawful for a person to cause or allow a dog to pursue game or wildlife, except where authorized by law - such as when conservation officers might use dogs to pursue dangerous animals. The maximum fine for an offence of that nature is $50,000 or six months in jail. Gatehouse said that from Erickson's description, it didn't appear that the dogs were pursuing wildlife. What's more, it was not deer-hunting season, he said. Members of local First Nations have a right to hunt year-round within "30 or 35 miles," of their own reserves, said Don Harris, a member of the Port Douglas Band and of the In-SHUCK-ch Council, which last fall voiced its opposition to the hunting ban sought by the Woodruffs. Sheldon Tetreault, senior administrator for the Mount Currie Band, said that while aboriginals have a right to hunt year-round, those rights do not transfer to non-Native hunters, even when they're hunting with First Nations members. Tetreault said the Mount Currie Band 's policy of destroying dangerous dogs only applies on the reserve and is strictly controlled. He said that when the Stl'Atl'Imx Tribal Police deem it necessary, they ask a single, qualified contractor to destroy the animal. "It's not an open contract to do that," Tetreault said. "There's nothing that the band has in place to encourage any members of the community to shoot dogs." Added Tetreault, "This has been such a large issue in the community for so long, and we've taken steps to develop a relationship with WAG, have made application to do spay and neuter programs, and have initiated a program to educate children on how to deal with dogs." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:24:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Cops bust gun, sex, drug ring http://www.canada.com/fortstjohn/story.html?id=9ca94add-9efc-4722-9648-d0fdd 2e07f07 Cops bust gun, sex, drug ring Six arrested after raid on 3 sites in Project Discount Chris Thompson Windsor Star April 15, 2005 Windsor police believe they have cracked a criminal enterprise that involved guns, drugs, prostitution and stolen property with simultaneous raids at three locations Thursday. A team of 40 officers including the tactical team, street crimes unit and drug squad took part in the co-ordinated raids, known as Project Discount, at 6 p.m. Officers entered Low Price Convenience, on the north side of Wyandotte Street West east of Church Street, and the Blue Ocean Spa massage parlour two doors to the west. They also entered a home in the 400 block of Crawford Avenue. "What we've done is traced drugs from the house to the spa to the store," said Insp. Dave Rossell. "Some of those massage parlours are not innocent places of relaxation. We've got a lot of connections between this industry and the weapons that are out on the street." Rossell said police were tipped in March to suspicious activity at the convenience store believed to involve the fencing of stolen goods. Using recovered stolen items from the police property room that would normally have gone to auction, an undercover officer went to Low Price Convenience and negotiated to exchange the stolen items for cocaine. On the second visit the cocaine was obtained and on subsequent visits the officer exchanged property room items for ecstacy pills, an XBox video game system, a laptop computer and a handgun. "There was an offer to sell us just about anything," said Rossell. The officer would initiate the drug transactions by speaking in code, Rossell said. The gun that was obtained was an antique stolen in an earlier break-in. "The owner doesn't know that we have it but we'll be tracking them down," said Rossell. At the same time morality squad officers were investigating the Blue Ocean Spa. "It progressed very quickly," said Rossell of the investigation. "It just shows that when you have one type of criminal activity it leads to other things." During surveillance of the store police regularly observed as many as 60 people an hour go inside for a few minutes at a time and exit without any items normally purchased at a variety store. "We had people pulling up with expensive cars, going in for one minute, two minutes, and walking out without anything," said Rossell. During the raid, local residents watched as police went about their business. "It's about time they busted that place," said Elizabeth Chambers, who moved into a nearby home on Church three months ago. She said she used to buy her cigarettes at Low Price but stopped going there after she repeatedly saw women from the massage parlour come into the store and hand over wads of cash to the man behind the counter. "I knew something was going on with that place," said Chambers. "It's about time places like this get shut down." Police recovered a number of items at the Crawford home including cash, property, a number of documents and a computer. "It just shows that when you have one type of criminal activity it leads to other things," said Rossell. Three men were arrested at the convenience store and three women were arrested at the massage parlour. Two men aged 18 and 28 will appear in court today to face charges of trafficking, possession of stolen property and weapons charges. The third man, a 23-year-old from Detroit, is being held for immigration authorities. Two 18-year-old women will appear in court today to face charges of trafficking, keeping a common bawdy house and being an inmate of a common bawdy house. A 22-year-old woman will face a charge of being an inmate in a common bawdy house. © The Windsor Star 2005 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:34:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: JTF2 soldier missing since 2003 surfaces in Thailand http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2005/04/14/canada/paisleyjtf2-050414 JTF2 soldier missing since 2003 surfaces in Thailand Last Updated Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:54:38 OTTAWA - An explosives expert with Canada's elite commando unit who disappeared after a two-week leave in August 2003 is now in military custody in Canada after showing up in Thailand. Questions remain about what Special Forces Sergeant Montgomery Paisley of Joint Task Force 2 did while he was missing, officials said. Montgomery Paisley (file photo) Paisley served a 2002 tour of duty in Afghanistan, fighting Taliban and al-Qaeda groups, before cleaning out his bank account, taking a commercial flight to Bangkok and vanishing. The native of Brown's Flat, N.B., had been in the Canadian military for 16 years. The case was a particular concern to Canadian authorities because Paisley specialized in explosives, mines and booby traps. Authorities believed he had a laptop computer containing bomb-making information when he disappeared. A total of 13 military investigators turned up no clues to his whereabouts for almost two years, said Capt. Mark Giles of the National Investigation Service (NIS). "Last week, Sgt. Montgomery Paisley approached the Canadian Embassy in Bangkok, Thailand, indicating he would like to return to Canada," Giles said Thursday. "After consultation with Thai authorities, members of the NIS travelled to Thailand and returned him safely home." The fact that Paisley emptied out his bank account indicates some premeditation, said military analyst David Rudd of the Canadian Institute of Strategic Studies. "Given the fact that he went to Southeast Asia, given the fact that his whereabouts and activities were unknown for the better part of two years . this [is] a national security issue. You just can't avoid it," Rudd told CBC News. He said it's worrisome that highly trained military investigators could not track down the soldier. The military won't disclose Paisley's current location, citing national security. They will only say that he is safe and in custody at a "defence establishment in Canada." Members of Paisley's family in New Brunswick say they're glad he's safe but know nothing more about where he is. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:34:42 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Poll says leadership, sponsorship new top issues See the sidebar on the webpage with the breakdown of the responses; if you consider "gun control" to be part of "Crime/law and order", that garnered only 1% of the total responses... http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2005/04/14/canada/gomerypoll-050414 Poll says leadership, sponsorship new top issues Last Updated Fri, 15 Apr 2005 8:53:21 TORONTO - Concern over the state of government and politics in Canada has surpassed health care as the most important issue facing Canadians, according to a new poll conducted by Environics for CBC News. * INDEPTH: Sponsorship Scandal The poll shows that, across the country, 14 per cent of Canadians said the most important problem was "poor government or poor leadership" while 10 per cent said it was the revelations before the Gomery Inquiry about the sponsorship scandal, for a total of 24 per cent. One volatile issue, same-sex marriage, was the most important issue for just one per cent, behind both the economy and unemployment at five per cent and the environment at four per cent. * RELATED STORY: Snap election could bring Tory minority: CBC poll Disillusionment covers all political parties. When Environics asked, "Are some political parties more ethical than others or do all political parties operate pretty much the same way.?" 68 per cent replied that all parties operate the same way, while 29 per cent believe that some parties are more ethical than others. Canadians appear reluctant to go to the polls. Asked if they would prefer to wait until Justice John Gomery completes his report or vote in an election before the report is issued, 76 per cent said they prefer to wait, while 18 per cent said they could go to the polls before Gomery reports. Asked what should bring down the minority Liberal government and force a new election, 41 per cent of Canadians replied that there was no issue to trigger the fall of the government, while 37 per cent believe that trust was the one issue that could (with 34 per cent citing the Gomery Inquiry and three per cent naming ethics and lack of trust in government). Two other issues were far down the list, with health care at three per cent and same-sex marriage at two per cent. So, who do Canadians hold responsible for the scandal? The people surveyed gave multiple answers, indicating Canadians are spreading the blame around. Prime Minister Paul Martin was said to be "very responsible" for the alleged wrongdoing by just 28 per cent of the people surveyed. Former prime minister Jean Chrétien came in for the most criticism: 52 per cent of the respondents say that he was "very responsible" for the alleged wrongdoings heard by the inquiry. The survey reports that 48 per cent believe "a small group of officials working within the federal government" were "very responsible." The Liberal Party of Canada was said to be "very responsible" by 45 per cent. Written by CBC News Online staff CBC poll Survey methods The results of the survey are based on 1,200 telephone interviews conducted by Environics Research Group Ltd. for the CBC from April 11 to 13, 2005. The sampling method was designed to complete 1,200 interviews with residents of Canada age 18 and older within households randomly selected across the 10 provinces. The sampling model relies on stratification by province and by community size. The results are weighted to reflect the actual proportions of the provinces, of men and women, and age groups in the population. On a national basis, these results are accurate to within approximately + 2.9 percentage points, 19 times out of 20. 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