From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #129 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, June 13 2005 Volume 08 : Number 129 In this issue: Fw: Barrie Wall-Mart Letter to citizen not yet printed Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #128 reporting the news??? NEWEST INCOMPLETE FORECASTS FOR GUN REGISTRY My letter to the Ottawa Citizen UN nowshows its colours Re: New York Times: How to Get Rid of a Gun Re: BB guns are too dangerous. Re: Sobering Police Video: What Are You Going to Do? Re: Suspects threw a .38 calibre rifle out one of the car's My letter to the Windsor Star Information Commissioner is bowing out Copy of George Cooper Report? a .38 caliber rifle ??? Re: a .38 caliber rifle ??? Sent to National Post ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:52:24 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Fw: Barrie Wall-Mart - ----- Original Message ----- From: "cacustrel" To: "paul chicoine" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: RE: Barrie Wall-Mart We received your letter of concern regarding development of gun-related photographs in one of our photo labs. I assure you that Wal-Mart fully respects our many customers who are responsible gun owners and we intend to continue serving them with various hunting and sporting merchandise. We are restricted from discussing details of this specific case, except to say that we have extended our apologies to the customer. We understand her frustration and disappointment with the situation. Consistent with most photo developers in Canada, we are committed to taking action where action seems warranted. In some cases we have a statutory duty to report these cases and failure to do so can result in sanctions against us. We have a well defined assessment procedure, which usually ensures our customers are well served. In all cases, we hope our labs will follow that procedure, while also remaining diligent when they think there is cause for concern. Generally, we believe it is always best to err on the side of caution, as long as our photo labs are acting in good faith and in the interest of safety. You can rest assured that we do not ever seek to inconvenience or alienate any of our customers in any way. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:52:53 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Letter to citizen not yet printed Toronto had their 27th murder on the weekend. Twenty Seven people shot and killed. The firearms act was to prevent it. It didn't! Why not? well over 2.5 billion dollars have been squandered by the Liberals on this latest attempt on gun control. It seems the criminals are just not getting the message. Anne Mc Lellan our " homeland security thingy" outright lied when she said the firearms act Bill C-68 will give us a culture of safety. This year alone the culture of safety has failed 27 times. last year even more. The year before it failed as well, and this was only in Toronto. There is no culture of safety. There is however a culture of arrogance within the depths of the entire Liberal government, who continue to spend hundreds of millions of more taxpayers dollars on a firearms act that fails each and every day. Buoyed by shills and NGO's, the Liberals soldier on , confiscating honest citizens firearms, while at the same time creating a burgeoning black market in firearms. Customs seizures of illegal guns at the borders only proves the point. The firearms act is another dismal failure in the Liberal agenda of social re-engineering. The problem is innocent people are paying the price for the Liberal Governments culture of safety, and their arrogance. After all, the Liberals know what is best for us...don't they? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:53:23 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Farion Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #128 More likley cops with a personal agenda knowing they will never be held accountable! Thanks to Harris for dismanteling the Police Complaints commission! >Subject: COPS RAID COLLECTOR FOR UNSAFE GUNS > >Does anyione see an increasing pattern of bad behaviour here. > >Cops are raiding more and more gun owners and stealing their firearms >regardless of if they are in lockups or rooms dedictated solely to their >storage. > >Forget the fact that in most cases such seizures end up being overturned. >It is a precedent which is getting dangerous because innocent people are now >having to shell out thousands to fight the Police function which is to be >the enforcement thugs of the state. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:54:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: reporting the news??? June 13, 2005 Last Monday, June 6, 2005, there was a funeral in Woodbridge, Ontario, just north of Metro Toronto, for a man by the name of John Gray, aged 54. Mr. Gray was a former member of the Para-dice Riders Motorcycle Club of Toronto. Mr. Gray was very well known in the Toronto area, being an active biker since the 60's. A couple of years ago, when the Hells Angels established a presence in Ontario, Mr. Gray became a Hells Angel. At the time of his death, he was the President of the Woodbridge chapter of the Hells Angels. He was wearing his colours and riding his bike when he attempted to pass a tractor trailer on May 31. The truck made a left turn when Mr. Gray attempted to pass and Mr. Gray was killed at that location due to the resulting collision. The funeral procession of June 6 was the largest ever seen in the Toronto area, being attended by over 500 motorcycles and numerous other vehicles. Bike clubs from all over Canada attended the funeral. Hells Angels from all over the world attended the funeral. The procession, in addition to being quite large, proceeded across the full width of the north end of the city, past the site of the accident and to the graveyard in the Stouffville area. The procession used the 407 and 404 expressways. Those expressways are heavily travelled and are multilane divided highways. The Hells Angels did a very effective job of closing those expressways to the public. All the entrances along the route were closed and the lanes in use at the time the procession entered the expressways were closed off, one by one, until only the funeral procession was using the route. That occurred on both the 407 and 404 routes. The police did not intervene, although they took pictures from some of the bridges. Previous funerals in the Toronto had been front page news with lots of pictures and lengthy articles, both in the newspapers and television. I expected that detailed coverage of the funeral would appear in the press. I saw nothing. I heard that there was a very short article on a TV station. Nothing appeared in the newspapers. So, in the past, a large biker funeral got large coverage in the press, but suddenly, the largest funeral in area history, including a total shut-down of 2 well travelled expressways, got no coverage. The question arises, why no coverage? Certainly, it is a news-worthy story, but not a single newspaper carried it and coverage on television was almost non-existent. Who is it that has the power to totally black out a story of this magnitude? Alan Harper alan__harper@cogeco.ca SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:55:11 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: NEWEST INCOMPLETE FORECASTS FOR GUN REGISTRY GOVERNMENT'S NEWEST INCOMPLETE FORECASTS SHOW GUN REGISTRY By Garry Breitkreuz, MP - Updated: Febuary 25, 2005 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article200.doc Note #1: DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL "INDIRECT COSTS" FOR THE DEPARTMENT'S LISTED AND STILL DOES NOT INCLUDE "INDIRECT COSTS" FOR SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS Note #2: "MAJOR ADDITIONAL COSTS" STILL UNREPORTED! "The costs incurred by the provincial and territorial agencies in enforcing the legislation were not reported. In addition, costs that were incurred by firearms owners, firearms clubs, manufacturers, sellers, and importers and exporters of firearms, in their efforts to comply with the legislation were not reported. Auditor General's Report December 2002 - Chap. 10, Page 6, Paragraph 20.29 http://www.oag-bvg.gc.ca/domino/reports.nsf/html/20021210ce.html Note #3: COMPLIANCE COSTS & ENFORCEMENT COSTS (Including court costs) The Library of Parliament released three studies in 2003 that show that complying with this useless gun law has already cost gun owners between $367 and $764 million and that enforcement costs will cost at least another billion. http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article195.htm Note #4: ECONOMIC COSTS STILL A "CABINET SECRET"! http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/Guncontrol41.htm Note #5: $42 MILLION TO BE SPENT ON CRIMINAL USE OF GUNS A "CABINET SECRET" http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article522.htm Note #6: OTHER COSTS NOT INCLUDED IN LIBERAL ESTIMATES http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/guns115.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:04:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to the Ottawa Citizen Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Small-scale weapons trigger large-scale death: Don Butler makes the basic flawed assumption that all anti-gun extremists do - he thinks that it is guns that kill people. Surely he doesn't need reminding that hundreds of thousands of people in Rwanda were massacred using simple farming implements? It isn't the guns that are the problem - it is warlords, dictators and tyrants that are to blame. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, the Khymer Rouge, and many many more, disarmed their own citizens before slaughtering them wholesale. Finland's ambassador to Canada, Pasi Patokallio, states that the United Nations' initiative doesn't include "pistols under pillows", but that is exactly what their long term target is - firearms in the hands of private citizens. The Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies' Small Arms Survey 2003 indicated that of the 639 million small arms in existence, 50% of them are in *civillian* hands, and that civillians purchase more than 80% of all the firearms that are currently manufactured worldwide each year. How can they claim that civilian firearms are not their intended target? Instead of trying to further disarm the disadvantaged and downtrodden of the world, perhaps we should be providing them with arms of their own, so they can then defend themselves against the depredations of their own governments, tribal enemies, or religious fanatics. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:39:58 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: UN nowshows its colours The largest known small arms importers are the United States, Saudi Arabia, Cyprus, Japan, South Korea and -- surprisingly -- Canada, which imports weapons valued at about $100 million a year, mostly for sports or hunting. THE UN now lets it publicly be know that they are after youre guns. Theyr efer to firearms as weapons mostly the sporting and hunting ones. Note how the criminal use of the term weapon is used to describe and demonize sport and hunting firearms. The UN, Governments and POLICE use the term weapons to invoke a criminal aspect to these firearms. A bic pen is just a bic pen until someone uses it to corkscrew out another persons carotid artery, then it is a weapon. A gun is just a gun until it is used against a person to ikill or maim, then it is a weapon. What the UN and their NGO and governments and POLICE are doing is to systematically demonize firearms so the publ;ic are brainwashed into believing all guns are weapons. Soon the UN will come looking for our guns, and then they will know if they are firearms or weapons! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:40:21 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: New York Times: How to Get Rid of a Gun - ----- Original Message ----- From: ; "Garry - Assistant 1" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: New York Times: How to Get Rid of a Gun > PUBLICATION: The New York Times > SECTION: Magazine > EDITION: Late Edition - Final > DATE: 2005.06.12 > PAGE: 74 > COLUMN: LIVES > BYLINE: Mike Kessler > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > How to Get Rid of a Gun > > I put the guns in an industrial-strength trash bag. But then I imagined > some kids rummaging around a suburban landfill and finding them, which > made me picture the violent opening scene of a made-for-TV movie. So I > added garden dirt and poured in some old paint. Then I added more, and I > shook the sack and rolled it around. I picked up the bag and threw it in > the trash. Then I called Elizabeth and reported that the job was done. What a F****** idiot!!!!!!!! ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:41:08 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: BB guns are too dangerous. - ----- Original Message ----- From: ; "Garry - Assistant 1" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: BB guns are too dangerous. > DATE: 2005.06.11 > CATEGORY: Foreign general news > PUBLICATION: cpw > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Catch 22 for Massachusetts student project on dangers of BB guns > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > AMHERST, Mass. (AP) _ Two Massachusetts Grade 8 students who spent > months working on a science project to prove how dangerous BB guns can > be were disqualified from the state middle school science fair. > Nancy Degon, vice-president of Massachusetts State Science Fair Inc. and > co-chair of the middle-school fair, said fair rules prohibit hazardous > substances and devices. > > ``The scientific review committee does not consider science projects > involving firearms to be safe for middle school students,'' Degon said. More adult idiots.. instead of teaching children the safety and values of guns they hide them and make them "forbidden " fruit.Well we all know what happens then ? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:41:35 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Re: Sobering Police Video: What Are You Going to Do? This brings to question. What is considered to be a "paper" crime. If it refers to a person guilty of an offense punishable on summary conviction perhaps the perpetrator is merely subject by law to a fine for the misdeeds he/she actually committed, not what he/she could have committed but did not. If society wishes for every person guilty of these kinds of offenses to be imprisoned, perhaps the laws should be changed to make these kinds of offenses indictable, however they are not. The film evidently depicts the perpetrator committing paper crimes and how the police react and arrest her. If the police were abusive to the perpetrator beyond justifiable reason perhaps they should not have been. Possessing a firearm in Kanukistan without proper papers is an indictable offense yet many call it a "paper" crime. This society has taken the position that perpetrators of firearm's law should be imprisoned for their misdeeds. However, some think ten years in the slammer for this offense to be too severe a penalty for such an offense, i.e. lack of paper. The same deficiency attributed to the perpetrator in the above mentioned film. If the firearm's law is abusive to its perpetrators "paper criminals" beyond justifiable reason perhaps it should not be. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox, Sask. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:42:00 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Suspects threw a .38 calibre rifle out one of the car's windows. Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca - ----- Original Message ----- From: ; "Garry - Assistant 1" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: Suspects threw a .38 calibre rifle out one of the car's windows. > PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun > DATE: 2005.06.12 > EDITION: Final > SECTION: News > PAGE: BS5 > BYLINE: MICHELE HENRY > COLUMN: Crime Scene > > > THREE MEN NABBED IN HIT AND RUN > > As they brought both cars to a stop, police say, the suspects threw a > .38 calibre rifle out one of the car's windows. a .38 caliber rifle ??? is this more BS by the media or is there really such a thing as described and used in this "incident "? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:13:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to the Windsor Star Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Killer bear not at fault despite deadly attack If J.R. Snively lives in Windsor, then he is every bit as responsible for destroying the animal's natural habitat and the next person. I challenge him to give up his comfy house or aparmtent, and go live in the bush and sing "Koom-bi-ya" with the bears, and see how far he gets. The days of living in harmony with wild animals is all but gone. If a bear is agreessive, and comes back after being transported, and especially of it kills someone, it is too dangerous to leave roaming around - it must be dispatched. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:35:00 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Information Commissioner is bowing out PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL IDN: 051640010 DATE: 2005.06.13 PAGE: A4 BYLINE: HUGH WINSOR SECTION: Column EDITION: Metro DATELINE: WORDS: 608 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ POWER GAME A major government irritant is bowing out - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Access to Information Commissioner John Reid, one of the most persistent thorns in the government's side, is bowing out, admitting that while he beat the Chretien and Martin administrations consistently in the courts, he has lost the political battle for more open government. Mr. Reid's seven-year term as access commissioner expires on June 30 and the Martin government plans to ignore a recommendation to extend his term from the newly created Commons committee on access to information, privacy and ethics. That is not surprising, given how critical Mr. Reid (who was a minister in the Trudeau government) has been first of former prime minister Jean Chretien's government and then of Prime Minister Paul Martin and his entourage, who have done little to fulfill their promise of reducing the democratic deficit, especially when it comes to access to information. It is not just spite why his term won't be extended, but that plays a role. There are also practical political considerations for the Liberals to get rid of Mr. Reid. Because of the minority-government situation and the new committee chaired by an opposition MP, Mr. Reid would have political leverage that would make it more difficult for the government to ignore his findings the way it has ignored them in the past. Moreover, the government is committed to bringing in a new access bill and combined with Mr. Reid's knowledge and opposition control of the committee process, the government could be forced to make changes in favour of openness. In what will be his last annual report to Parliament, tabled last week, Mr. Reid offered a scathing critique. Although there have been significant legal victories affirming the commissioner's authority, the culture of secrecy and the "knee jerk" reaction to expand the exemptions to the access law are just as bad as they were when he took over seven years ago. After Mr. Reid backed an access request for Mr. Chretien's daily itineraries when he was prime minister (which might have shown how much time he actually spent at the Royal Ottawa Golf Club), and the minutes of the daily briefings for Art Eggleton when he was minister of defence, the Privy Council Office attempted to limit Mr. Reid's scope by filing 25 applications to the Federal Court for judicial review. The Federal Court rejected the applications and affirmed the commissioner's power to demand documents, subpoena witnesses and a number of other legal tools. Although Mr. Reid won on all 25 applications, the government is still not coughing up the documents and the commissioner has gone back to the Federal Court. Mr. Reid has also criticized the powerful censorship provisions of the Anti-Terrorism Act, rushed into law after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. He has testified that the provisions do nothing more than protect the federal government from potential embarrassment rather than protecting security. He has also been a major critic of the proposed whistleblower bill, which has now been withdrawn for redrafting. Because the access commissioner is an officer of Parliament, the government must get the agreement of opposition parties on Mr. Reid's replacement. One applicant is retired army colonel Michel Drapeau. In a fight with his former department, Mr. Drapeau became so frustrated with the access process that he went to law school and is now a lawyer specializing in the access field; in fact, he is editor of the definitive legal textbook on the field. If he were to get Mr. Reid's job, the government may well find it is up against an equally dedicated adversary. hwinsor@globeandmail.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:49:10 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Copy of George Cooper Report? My boss needs a copy of this two volume report: May 1986 report of George Cooper, Q.C. Re: Canadian government funding of the Allan Memorial Institute in the 1950's/1960's. Thanks, Dennis Young Parliamentary Assistant Room 452D - Centre Block Phone: (613) 992-4394 Fax: (613) 992-8676 www.garrybreitkreuz.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:55:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: a .38 caliber rifle ??? There are lever action rifles in caliber .38 Spl. There is also the 38-55, which I believe was the original caliber for the M1894 Winchester rifle. Alan Harper alan__harper@cogeco.ca SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:31:09 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: a .38 caliber rifle ??? I knew about the.38-55 but never heard of a .38 special ...thanks ...ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:31:42 -0600 (CST) From: AOB Subject: Sent to National Post By E mail Attn Editor for consideration. Sir re comments made by Tim Naumetz in his article "Tory MP attempts to halt spending on gun registry". He stated "a virtual guerrilla war against the program by gun owners". So one must conclude Mr Naumetz supports the following, "Disarming the Canadian public is part of the new humanitarian social agenda." Foreign Affairs Minister Lloyd Axeworthy at a Gun Control conference in Oslo, Norway in 1998. Would he not feel that over one billion dollars and approaching two billion wasted on this firearm registration program [Which has had no effect on criminal's] would have been better spent on addressing the root causes that affect our society (Family Violence, Young Offenders, Alcohol-Drug Abuse Etc:) and more efficient enforcement of existing laws ?. Sincerely Mr Mrs Allan W Parsons ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #129 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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