From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #178 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, June 30 2005 Volume 08 : Number 178 In this issue: Why? more about INWEST eminent domain Re: bears My letter to the Calgary Herald Re: more about INWEST Re: bears [EDITORIAL] The jig is up Rights? We don't got no stinkin' rights.... Cause of Death Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:38:07 -0600 (CST) Hunting Rifles? Yeah, right.... COLUMN: BUT DID OUR GUN LAWS ACTUALLY SAVE ANY LIVES? Re: Hunting Rifles? Yeah, right.... Re: "....which God?...? yet again THE GREAT DESTROYER ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:58:30 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Why? " Using estimates of the homosexual population in this country, there's far more of us than there is of them, so why are we so ineffectual in gaining acceptance from our fellow citizens." SIMPLE... we prefer to split hairs and argue endless somantics over just about everything. We condemn each other hadgunners are better than shotgunner..are not!..is too! are not!!!. etc etc we dont want to take on the system because the system has the absolute monopoly on the use of force and the copurts to punish us if we dare to rebel against the dark side(liberal firearms act). No one wants to be the first to stand up and be a bullet stop, no one wants to have any of the paid government thugs put a boot on their neck. Apathy.. is the single greatest killer of firearms rights. we as firearms holders hold a trememndous amount of power in our hands, yet we do not use it. we deserve to be stripped of all of our firearms and frogmarched to whatever destiny awaits us. In short, we are pansies, panty waste, candy ass, slackers, shirkers, freeloaders, I canters, whiners, complainers, nimbies, etc etc Thats why we cannot get our collective act together to throw this government out and to get what we want. if we are 7 million firearms owners as we say we are, then it is time to form a party for us that believes in the values our parents taught us. With 7 million supporters, I would bet we could scare the crap out of the rest of these usdeless anal openings we have for political partiesm and we might just win an election. of course while this is possible, re-read the first few paras to see why we wont. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:33:18 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: more about INWEST more info on INWEST and how they conduct themselves. http://www.canadiandimension.mb.ca/extra/d1025rw.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:41:18 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: eminent domain Property Rights Activists Seek to Counter Eminent Domain Ruling By Monisha Bansal CNSNews.com Correspondent June 30, 2005 (CNSNews.com) -- Nearly a week after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that local governments may seize a person's private property and turn it over to private developers, there is no let-up to the anger being flashed by grassroots organizations. The Castle Coalition, part of the Institute for Justice, announced Wednesday the launching of the "Hands Off My Home" campaign." SEEMS like the Us government has stirred a hornets nest and could very well have set the stage for another tea party ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:41:42 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Farion Subject: Re: bears Hi; Believe that Coquitlam and Burnaby were hotbeds of anti-gun rhetoric. You are not even allowed to carry bearspray in Burnaby for fear that you my defend yourself! Hope bears take a few kids for snacks! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:46:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to the Calgary Herald Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Spray works I doubt very much that you can reduce bear attacks down to simple numbers. You need to ask what conditions and locations were these people in when they were attacked. What constitutes an "attack"? How many of the attakees had the opportunity to deploy their weapons? What kind of firearm was involved? As well, the way that Lynch presents his statistics is highly misleading. It should say "Of those attacked and mauled, 53 percent were carrying guns and 7 percent were carrying bear spray". The implication is that it is the pepper spray that prevents the mauling, which is not necessarily the case. There are many more factors at work than the type of weapon you have. Lynch is right that there are no guarantees - but pepper spray has far more conditions under which it won't work than do guns. Pepper spray can lose its potency over time. It can be blown away in high winds. It can be dispersed by rain. It has an effective range of only 30 ft. and lasts for all of 6 seconds. A gun can fire up to 5 times, works in high winds and rain, has an effective range of 30 yards, and doesn't go bad for years. I'll take my chances with the gun, thanks. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:46:18 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: more about INWEST No different than Stalins KBG or Hitlers SS, or any otehr tyranical government you could name. First its the Natives and then it will be the NFA re-classified as a terrorist group becuse itsmembers "stockpile guns" Only in Kanuckistan eh ? This is now being circulated worldwide . Please pass this on to all your contacts ? Thanks . ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:53:37 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: bears - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Farion" To: Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: Re: bears > Hi; > Believe that Coquitlam and Burnaby were hotbeds of anti-gun rhetoric. > You are not even allowed to carry bearspray in Burnaby for fear that you > my defend yourself! > Hope bears take a few kids for snacks! > > Change that to Bambi lovers and politicians and I agree. OF course, politicians, would probably make them barf. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:58:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: [EDITORIAL] The jig is up http://www.westernstandard.ca/website/index.cfm?page=article&article_id=870 The jig is up Monday, 27 June 2005 Ezra Levant The editors at The New York Times have always been sympathetic to the Liberal vision of Canada. They regard us as a laboratory for the left-wing ideas they want to import to the United States, on everything from medicare to the Kyoto Protocol to the war on terror. So when the Times wrote, on May 25, that our Liberal government's self-righteous rhetoric is simply not in synch with the country's reality, you know things have gotten bad. "Prime Minister Paul Martin has held fast, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, to a cherished Liberal party script: Canada as a singularly virtuous country that adheres more than most to values like honesty, decency, fairness and multiethnic equality, not to mention publicly financed universal health care," wrote the paper. But it wasn't just policy failures that caught the eye of the Times; it was the common thread to every policy failure, to every political pronouncement. Canada's official national identity, as forged by the Liberals, that of moral superiority, is so false as to be laughable. The perfect encapsulation of this, the Times wrote, was Martin's speech after his government survived a non-confidence vote in May. It noted how Martin had to bribe Belinda Stronach to support the Liberals by offering her a cabinet seat, it noted the stench of corruption and scandal in the air, and then quoted the great man himself: "We will set the standard by which other nations judge themselves." It was impossible not to cringe when reading the Times' takedown of Martin. If being scorned in New York wasn't bad enough, The Times of London weighed in a few days later, with even more laughs at Canada's expense. "No other state, with the exception of the Vatican, is so acutely aware of its reputation for morality and modesty," it snickered. "Behind its honest, decent, dull image, Canada, it seems, is tainted by corruption and hypocrisy, just like the rest of the world." A country should never be too concerned by the public opinion of foreign elite--that applies to editorial writers as well as United Nations diplomats. But it was the Liberals themselves who chose to measure their success by such foolish standards as how Canada's health care was ranked by the UN, or what pop star Bono of the band U2 thought of our foreign aid programs. As the UN's survey shows Canada slipping in terms of quality of life, as vain moralizers like Bono realize that they were merely used as campaign props, perhaps Canada will again be judged on how things actually are, rather than how the Liberals claim they are. Instead of repeating the mantra that we are the greatest country on earth, perhaps we can actually now look at our shortcomings and improve them, without being labelled an enemy of Canadian values by daring to criticize such boondoggles as government-run medicare. That would seem to be The New York Times' view: they gave the last word to Stephen Harper's rebuttal to the Liberals' Canadian values bromide, quoting his slogan that "corruption is not a Canadian value." Foreigners are starting to take a new measure of Canada. We are not the effective middle power we once were on the beaches of Normandy, or even in the late 1950s during the Suez Crisis. We've lost our international clout, through a combination of demilitarization and anti-Americanism. Twenty-five years after we've lost our power, we are now losing our reputation for power. Too bad we have to pick up newspapers in New York or London to read about Canada's drift from real success and our descent into self-delusion as a national identity. In the meantime, the CBC, Toronto Star and Globe and Mail continue to chant the Liberal line, louder than ever, demonizing anyone who dares threaten to point out the growing gulf between who we claim we are and who we truly are becoming, let alone anyone who wants to do anything about it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:09:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Rights? We don't got no stinkin' rights.... I think we all got an eye-opener from Rick Lowe as to what rights we think we have as opposed to what we do have before the law. It is all well and good to claim inherent rights before God (any god, for those who are hung up on that), rights under Magna Carta, etc., but that isn't going to save anyone's ass in court today. We have a few guys who are experiencing just how much they have going in the way of 'rights' before the law and we can expect more. Perhaps a lot more. We need to take a lesson from those who have fought similar 'rights' battles, bite the bullet and do whatever it takes. Whining and internecine squabbling are getting us nowhere fast. TB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:26:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Cause of Death Cause of Death http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050629-023/page.asp June 29, 2005 We still don't know the why, but now we know the how - and it's not what reports first indicated. Autopsy reports from London, Ontario indicate a mother and her two children killed in a bloodbath in the Forest City on Monday weren't shot after all. Instead, Halina Czuba and her youngsters were stabbed to death. The original conclusion was based on an exchange of gunfire the suspected killer had with authorities. He was later found dead of a bullet wound, but it's still not clear if he met his fate at his own hand or in the shootout with police. Investigators are trying to assemble the pieces of this puzzling mystery. It began when a nine-year-old girl, the only survivor of the rampage, ran outside in the early morning darkness to ask a neighbour to call 911. By the time help arrived, three members of her family lay dead in her home. Frank Greda, the man believed to be behind the killings, has been described as a family friend, so close the kids used to call him 'uncle'. But whatever triggered his final act of desperate violence died with him, as cops try to find clues to explain his actions. Jan Czuba, the family patriarch and a long haul truck driver, arrived back in London on Tuesday, to comfort his bereaved daughter. It's not clear if he has any idea why Greda came into his home that morning or how the events took such a tragic and terrible turn. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:08:21 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:38:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:38:07 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Lowe Subject:Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:38:07 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Lowe Subject: Rights "It's no different than catching somebody with a baggy of pot and telling them to dump it out rather than charging them. It's just a cop giving you a break, no more and no less. If you disagree with that, act like an asshole towards a cop who is offering you a break and see how long it takes for the opportunity of catching a break to disappear and it becomes a criminal matter with you in the back of a police car." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------- This is just more kanukistani style threat and intimidation tactics. The jews in Nazi Germany probably heard the same line of crap from police who were " just following orders". I have peacefully and nonviolently broken the Firearms Act in front of police officials a lot higher up the food chain than you ,and kanukistanis like you, and the situation didn't get to becoming "a criminal matter with you in the back of a police car". This law is wrong and it must be repealed. You are using this law to disarm Canadians, forfeit their rights and turn them into defenseless victims and criminals for no good reason. I have met many many peace officers and politicians all across this country (coast to coast) who agree that this law is bad and needs to be rescinded. I have much respect for them as well. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox, Sask. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:29:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Hunting Rifles? Yeah, right.... I heard the native warrior activist interviewed on CBC Radio and of course, he was very much outraged by the actions of the police in taking him down. Among other credentials , he claims special forces training in the US Army. He purported to be merely buying guns to teach aboriginal youth hunting. The guns he got picked up with were Norinco 305s - the Chicom repro of the M-14 service rifle in 7.62mm. I have taken a mule deer with a .30-'06 Garand because I wanted to bug my hunting buddies with their scoped sporters. However, if I was going to "teach hunting" skills to anyone, there are any number of rifles I would choose over the Garand. This guy wasn't smart enough not to openly buy a shit load of para-military hardware, thereby drawing a lot of heat. The last animule I dropped was a large (400 lb+) black bear using a black powder load in a Sharps .50-70. I'd be happy to teach aboriginal youth hunting skills any time, providing they weren't armed with Norinco 305s. TB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:29:43 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: COLUMN: BUT DID OUR GUN LAWS ACTUALLY SAVE ANY LIVES? BUT DID OUR GUN LAWS ACTUALLY SAVE ANY LIVES? By Garry Breitkreuz, MP, Conservative Firearms Critic - June 30, 2005 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publicate/Columns/2005_june30.htm NOS LOIS SUR LES ARMES À FEU ONT-ELLES VRAIMENT SAUVÉ DES VIES? Par Garry Breitkreuz, député, porte-parole conservateur en matière d'armes à feu, 30 juin 2005 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publicate/Columns/2005_june30_fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:50:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Re: Hunting Rifles? Yeah, right.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Birch > I heard the native warrior activist interviewed on CBC Radio and of > course, he was very much outraged by the actions of the police in > taking him down. Among other credentials , he claims special forces > training in the US Army. So? Does that mean he's going to go all ninja on sombody's ass? > He purported to be merely buying guns to teach aboriginal youth hunting. > The guns he got picked up with were Norinco 305s - the Chicom repro > of the M-14 service rifle in 7.62mm. > > I have taken a mule deer with a .30-'06 Garand because I wanted to bug my > hunting buddies with their scoped sporters. However, if I was going to > "teach hunting" skills to anyone, there are any number of rifles I would > choose over the Garand. > > This guy wasn't smart enough not to openly buy a shit load of > para-military hardware, thereby drawing a lot of heat. > > The last animule I dropped was a large (400 lb+) black bear using a black > powder load in a Sharps .50-70. I'd be happy to teach aboriginal youth > hunting skills any time, providing they weren't armed with Norinco 305s. How about an SKS? A Lee Enfield? An HK91? This sounds suspiciously like "bad gun" talk, Todd. Surely you don't mean to say that M305's are not suitable for learning how to shoot, and then for hunting? This is exactly the sort of "divide and conquer" thinking that has gotten us to where we are now. We are our own worst enemies. There is no such thing as a "bad gun" - there are people who misuse guns for bad purposes. A gun may be "inapropriate" for certain uses, but it isn't "bad". We should *all* be outraged over the conduct of the police, and the government that allows this sort of harassment of law abiding gun owners to take place. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:52:38 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: "....which God?...? yet again Interesting timing on this topic. 60 Minutes Wednesday had a piece on the new America and the new religion. This where people take bit and pieces from different religions and home brew their own. A real buffet of self-indulgement. Take only the parts you like and forget the bits that actually require discipline. One more aspect of the fat ass, me first philosophy. In the end if it means nothing then its probably worthless as well. I see it as another part of the "we are all victims" outlook preached by Opera or Opra or however the hell she spells her name and that pop psych meat puppet Dr. Phil. > Paul makes an excellent point in that we have a pantheon of gods thanks to > multi-culturalism and pluralism. > I have heard members of other faiths decrying the annual PC practice of > removing Christ from Christmas. They knew Canada was a Christian country > when they came here and they did not expect us to go nuts in that fashion to > accomodate them. > They know that their home countries would not be so compliant. True enough but don't forget its the Liberals who appointed most of the Supreme court and its the minority groups who mostly votes for them. Can you blame them after all ? What is promising is that those voting patterns seem to be changing. New Canadians arrive, for the most part with nothing, everything to gain. Once established they have something to loose and suddenly the Liberals don't look so good anymore. Bruce quite correctly stated that the majority is made up of individuals. What makes them the majority is that those individuals share common beliefs and values. There is nothing wrong with being middle age and white but the PC crowd will make out that there is. Because they do doesn't make them right. It is for the majority to act and is so doing they are really performing an act of social self-defence. One's society is an inherited right. It is not for the government and their liberal attitudes to force unwanted change on the population. The real crisis facing Canada is the unbelievable level of apathy and defeatism. The majority are exactly where the politicians and all the special interest groups want them to be. Except our special interest group. After all we are mostly middle age, white and politically incorrect. __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:53:30 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Gingrich Subject: THE GREAT DESTROYER Canada's Firearms Act of 1995 and Terrorist Act destroyed freedom in Canada. Paul Martin repeal these unjust laws now. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox, Sask. ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization June 30, 2005 JPFO Alert: THE GREAT DESTROYER ... And one simple, fun, free way to declare your independence What is the worst destroyer of freedom today? It isn't terrorists. It isn't drug dealers. It isn't street criminals or white-collar fraudsters. It isn't any of the scary forces featured in the daily headlines. Most of us probably have an idea what the greatest destroyer is -- though we don't like to think about it: IT'S THE LAW The great destroyer is too much law controlling too many activities -- laws badly written, hastily passed, savagely enforced. The great destroyer takes many forms. * It might be a proposed "anti-gang" bill so badly written it could put innocent families in prison for life (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45051 or http://tinyurl.com/9j5ul ). * It might be national ID sneaking into our wallets via federal control of our drivers license (http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/05/real_id.html or http://tinyurl.com/92dzu ). * It might be vicious persecutions of sick people (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-06-23-medicinal- marijuana_x.htm or http://tinyurl.com/exm5b ). * It might be black-robed lawyers decreeing that governments have legal authority to steal your house and give it to somebody richer and better connected (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005 /06/30/EDGOODGAU21.DTL or http://tinyurl.com/dm485 ). But the bottom line remains: IT'S THE LAW. Nothing is destroying freedom more greedily. Independence Day is coming up. 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