From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #179 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, June 30 2005 Volume 08 : Number 179 In this issue: Re: Rights Ontario commission tackles subtle racism Bad guns, and the 'Bloc RFC' ... Norinco M-14 "Hunting Rifles" Re: Hunting Rifles? Yeah, right.... Re: Hunting Rifles? Yeah, right.... Re: Hunting Rifles? Yeah, right.... Re: "....which God?...? yet again Wave no flags CFD Significant Second Anniversary Re: Norinco M-14 "Hunting Rifles" Re: Norinco M-14 "Hunting Rifles" Re: Norinco M-14 "Hunting Rifles" Judge: No right to hunt clay pigeons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:49:33 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: Rights On 2005 Jun 29, at 11:38 AM, Rick Lowe wrote: > Neither the Charter nor the Criminal Code say you do not have the right > to self defense. The law [the Firearms Act] ... does not agree with > you on what means [firearms] you should have at your > disposal to be prepared for a time where you may need to defend > yourself. That's where your/our problem lies. I think this paragraph very succinctly encapsulates the purpose of this discussion. We indeed do have a problem: We have a problem of understanding the connection between the Right to Self-Defense and the Right to own firearms. What good is a Right to Self-Defense if we allow the government to licence that Right out of existence ? A "licence" is a government permit to do what would otherwise be illegal. Without the "means" to defend ourselves we are "toast;" the Right of Self-defense notwithstanding. The English is 1689 understood that relationship and declared firearms ownership a Right. Why is the interdependent relationship between Self-Defense and firearms ownership so hard to understand today ? The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto understand that concept. Are we willingly blind to that simple lesson of history, a lesson that continues to be re-taught and re-taught throughout the world even today as we prepare to celebrate Canada Day ?? Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:52:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Ontario commission tackles subtle racism Take a close read through this and see if you can pick out both the pros and cons for either gun owners or citizens in general. http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/28/racism-policy050628.html Ontario commission tackles subtle racism Last Updated Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:05:41 EDT CBC News The Ontario Human Rights Commission has issued a new racism policy stressing the evils of subtle and systemic forms of discrimination. It says discrimination may be detected "in organizational and government policies, practices, and procedures and 'normal ways of doing things'" as well as in overt acts of bigotry. "It is time organizations and institutions acknowledge the reality of racism" It says such practices "may directly or indirectly, consciously or unwittingly, promote, sustain, or entrench" advantages for some people over others. It also says racist behaviour cannot be hidden from trained observers. "Individual acts themselves may be ambiguous or explained away, but when viewed as part of the larger picture and with an appropriate understanding of how racial discrimination takes place, may lead to an inference that racial discrimination was a factor in the treatment an individual received." The new document, titled Policy and Guidelines on Racism and Racial Discrimination, is not binding on judges or human rights tribunal members but represents the commission's current interpretation of the Ontario Human Rights Code. "It is time organizations and institutions acknowledge the reality of racism," Chief Commissioner Keith Norton said in a statement announcing it on Tuesday. They should "be prepared to act against subtle and sometimes subconscious prejudices and stereotypes that too often result in discrimination," he said. The new policy says the following types of treatment may indicate racial discrimination in work situations: Exclusion from formal or informal networks. Denial of mentoring or developmental opportunities such as secondments and training that was made available to others. Differential management practices such as excessive monitoring and documentation or deviation from written policies or standard practices. Disproportionate blame for an incident. Assignment to less desirable positions or job duties. Treating normal differences of opinion as confrontational or insubordinate. Characterizing normal communication as rude or aggressive. Penalizing a person for failing to get along with someone else, e.g. a co-worker or manager, when one of the reasons for the tension is racially discriminatory attitudes or behaviour of the co-worker or manager. It retires the term "minority group" in favour of "racialized persons," a category that goes beyond skin colour and ethnic background. "Racialization extends to people in general but also to specific traits and attributes, which are connected in some way to racialized people and are deemed to be 'abnormal' and of less worth,'" it says. "Individuals may have prejudices related to various racialized characteristics." Those characteristics may include name, accent or manner of speech, clothing and grooming, diet, beliefs and practices, leisure preferences, places of origin and citizenship, it says. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:54:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Subject: Bad guns, and the 'Bloc RFC' ... > This sounds suspiciously like "bad gun" talk, Todd. Surely you don't mean > to say that M305's are not suitable for learning how to shoot, and then > for hunting? Um, my 305 can consistently break a 3" clay pigeon at over 300 yards, which is about 1MOA or better (even with ME shooting it!). I'd LOVE to try it on groundhogs, and the gas operated recoil is WONDERFULLY smooth -- even a kid could manage it. This firearm is appropriate for ANY use one might have for a nice inexpensive clone of a venerable sporting rifle -- the Springfield A1 -- and no, it is NOT an M-14 its just a sporting rifle. Regarding an earlier comment on forming a political party, I would suggest that if we could all agree on a single organization, and ALL join that same organization, and have spokesmen who could be trusted to speak for ALL of us, and the executive didn't steal the membership lists and financial records and have secret meetings with the assholes in the Justice Ministry (who made up those regs anyways -- give me a name?) then we'd be a lot better off. Al Dorans gave it a good shot (thanks AL!), but frankly, organizing the RFC is akin to herding cats and we (the ENTIRE RFC to a man) treated Al badly. He deserved better. In the US, the NRA scares the pants off of the democrats and republicans alike, since an endorsement against usually (often?) results in the defeat of a candidate -- or such is the general expectation. Until such an organization comes into existance in Canada, we are a disorganized collection of angry old red-necks with ZERO political clout in central Canada -- where it seems to matter most. The Gays did a GREAT job! They all got hired into the media and as journalists, they became the voice of the CBC -- and how many are there in Canada? No-one knows! Likely a lot fewer than claimed, but as they all work in government -- the stats are not available under AtoI requests. I have $50.00 just burning a hole in my pocket to join an organization like I described (not the gays, but hey you never know), and I think there are a few (a million at least) more of us if conditions were right. Currently no organization can seem to bring us all together. If we could put together even 1 Million members, we would be a force for sure. Benefits would include: - - cheap insurance - - a political voice with clout - - a legal defense fund - - an advertising budget - - a political wing to vet each and every MP, MPP and municipal politician. - - the ability to associate with like minded individuals who understand what we stand to lose - - an accountable executive with regular elections - - public respect (since our spokes persons could be intelligent, well spoken and mannered individuals -- not like us 8-) Structured like a service organization (Lions, Rotary, Kiwannis) it would be simple to do good works within the community, offer sholarships, help kids and help to get our (moderated but determined) voices heard and educate the masses about bad legislation, and why they should care. Naaaaww, it would never work. Never mind. Rob Sciuk Oshawa, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:42:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Norinco M-14 "Hunting Rifles" Bruce It amazes me how you choose to misconstrue and deliberately misunderstnd my postings and those of others. A known Indian activist openly buys a number of para-military rifles and enough ammo for a small guerilla operation. Nothing here to perk up the ears of the feds! We all know that a para-military semi-auto is capable of dropping game, but it stretches credibility to believe that these were the rifles of choice to teach aboriginal hunters. Gimme a break..... Why not a rack of Winchester '94s, Model 70s, Remington 700s, Ruger 77s, etc., etc.? Not to worry, however. Being aboriginal with all kinds of 'rights'; inherent, inherited and inalienable, he'll get his guns back, an apology and it won't cost him a dime. Wanna bet? TB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:43:18 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Hunting Rifles? Yeah, right.... At 02:29 PM 6/30/05 -0600, you wrote: > > >I heard the native warrior activist interviewed on CBC Radio and of course, >he was very much outraged by the actions of the police in taking him down. >Among other credentials , he claims special forces training in the US Army. > >He purported to be merely buying guns to teach aboriginal youth hunting. The >guns he got picked up with were Norinco 305s - the Chicom repro of the M-14 >service rifle in 7.62mm. > >I have taken a mule deer with a .30-'06 Garand because I wanted to bug my >hunting buddies with their scoped sporters. However, if I was going to >"teach hunting" skills to anyone, there are any number of rifles I would >choose over the Garand. > >This guy wasn't smart enough not to openly buy a shit load of para-military >hardware, thereby drawing a lot of heat. > >The last animule I dropped was a large (400 lb+) black bear using a black >powder load in a Sharps .50-70. I'd be happy to teach aboriginal youth >hunting skills any time, providing they weren't armed with Norinco 305s. The Norinco M305 is an excellent deer rifle with 150 grain soft point ammunition. It has better factory sights than most off the shelf hunting rifles with open sights. I have used my M305 to hunt deer successfully from time to time. With cast bullets no less. They are like the Lee Enfield, an excellent firearm to hunt with. As for the price of a M305, they can be purchased for far less than the commercial hunting rifles avaiable and are just as accurate and effective on big game as commercial rifles. Personally I can't tell the diference between a moose or deer shot with a M305 and a sporterized No 4 Lee Enfield, or an SKS, dead is dead. You have succumbed to the "good gun / evil gun " red herring. It matters not what gun a person uses to hunt as long as the person handles it safely and obeys all the laws of Canada. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:43:42 -0600 (CST) From: "jim davies" Subject: Re: Hunting Rifles? Yeah, right.... Nevertheless, having bought from Lever's I assume everything was duly recorded and approved by the government...so, if he is approved to purchase guns and does purchase and register guns, and the government bureaucracy approves the paperwork, how in hell does it become a crime? Wow, I'll bet there are reams of lawyers dripping down both legs over the fat payday that awaits them in court in a few years, after this CCF works it's way through the system. > This guy wasn't smart enough not to openly buy a shit load of para-military > hardware, thereby drawing a lot of heat. > > The last animule I dropped was a large (400 lb+) black bear using a black > powder load in a Sharps .50-70. I'd be happy to teach aboriginal youth > hunting skills any time, providing they weren't armed with Norinco 305s. > > TB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:44:06 -0600 (CST) From: "jim davies" Subject: Re: Hunting Rifles? Yeah, right.... Exactly... > > We should *all* be outraged over the conduct of the police, and the > government that allows this sort of harassment of law abiding gun owners > to take place. If these folks were signed off by the government at point of sale, then this is an outrage, either because they are stupid to permit these folks to buy, or they were stupid in lacking just cause. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:44:26 -0600 (CST) From: "jim davies" Subject: Re: "....which God?...? yet again It is called the "therapeutic society" or PU for short... > I see it as another part of the "we are all victims" outlook preached by > Opera or Opra or however the hell she spells her name and that pop psych > meat puppet Dr. Phil. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:47:50 -0600 (CST) From: tcbfalls@canada.com Subject: Wave no flags CFD Winnipeg Free Press- Online Edition Put out no flags Not on this brooding Canadian's green property Thursday, June 30th, 2005 Trevor Lautens UNFORGETTABLY, though I've forgotten his name and can't find his exact words in 45 years of my notebook-diaries, a U.S. senator once said, in surveying his career: "I began by wanting to save the world. Then I wanted to save the United States. Now I want to save... (some local slough or woodland)." Derivatively -- and what better time than Canada (nee Dominion) Day to quote or misquote an American? -- I once loved Canada. Then I loved my neighbourhood. Now I have some regard for the tree-clad slope behind my house. It is partly my property, partly my neighbour's -- I met him after just 18 years of residence and he proved to be an agreeable fellow, though neither of us has felt an urgent need to communicate again in the intervening two years. Possibly a metaphor lurks here. Or not. In what used to be regarded as old age (in my case, 70 is the new 90), Canada looks too big for intimacy, too big for the imagination. It has to be broken up into small pieces to be lived in and through. In its larger cities, even downtown is a place too far. Politically, the country is uninhabitable. Pride in today's Canada is embarrassing, if not repelling. I won't be there for the fireworks tomorrow. You can stay while I tilt my kitchen chair back and reminisce, or leave now. There seemed to be a fresh new dawn in the 1950s, that decade scorned as boring and repressive by those who weren't there for it. The Canadian vocabulary unashamedly included kindness, thankfulness, manners, and such, and citizens quite often even put those words into practice. The actual and linguistic horrors of lifestyle, fulfillment, liberation, orgasm (good, better, best), closure (what of importance is ever closed, especially the death of the loved?) and that tool of the institutionalized New Bigotry, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, all gratefully lay far ahead. Of course, there were unfairness and prejudice, but also -- still in the glow of triumph over evil in the last war, whose righteousness we may ever universally agree upon -- a strong sense of hopefulness, of better days ahead, real wrongs being really righted. More than an aside on that war: In a Times Literary Supplement review of David Dilks's The Great Dominion: Winston Churchill in Canada, 1900-1954, Nathan M. Greenfield writes: "The Canada Churchill knew is almost unrecognizable, especially to those who have followed the country's reduction in military capacity. The Canadian army rushed to England in 1939 was the only army that could defend Britain in the months after Dunkirk." Canada's wartime gifts to Britain "totalled one-quarter of those under the more famous American Lend-Lease Agreements -- and Canada's population was one-twelfth that of the United States." Furthermore, Canada supplied 44 squadrons in Britain by 1944, and had built 100 of the Royal Navy's ships and 1,223 of the 5,000 tanks the Allies shipped to Britain. Since then, countless brains have been addled by an approved high-school textbook that ignored the soldiers and reduced the war to two consequential issues -- women's work (invaluable, certainly) and the expulsion of ethnic Japanese from the West Coast to virtual internment camps. I've long admired what I call the Class of 1920, those born a few years on either side of that year who ground through a devastating depression, fought and won a war and, hardened into smartness, brilliantly provided Canada's leadership for decades. Now Canada is uber-enlightened and people are afraid to go out at night. (One never knows, a crooked MP might be lurking in the shadows.) Dismiss all this as an old man's grumbling if it makes you feel better - -- or the mutterings of one who confuses happier times with his youthful self, an argument I grant has some merit. But, when not in danger of being overheard, people of my generation agree with me that it's not just rosy nostalgia for youth. Objectively, life in Canada really was better before the Hippies and the Me Generation and Generation X, and even, amazingly, human rights commissions and liberal judges secretly terrified of their ambitious and even-more-liberal young law clerks. One finally learns that a single act of personal kindness and civility that lightens a heart and makes life more endurable is more virtuous than an act of Parliament. (To quote myself: All great crimes begin in committee.) One also learns -- a subversive belief, unpopular and deserving of quick suffocation lest it gets around -- that the displacement of God and enthronement of Man has had only dimly understood but devastating social consequences. To think that we are the universe's highest beings should fill us with the greatest alarm and dread if we look around and, especially, inward. (This, as I always feel obliged to state, from a non-Christian, non-church-going, gin-swilling blasphemer. But that doesn't mean I'm stupid.) So other hands will have to wave the flags tomorrow. The Canada I cherish -- still -- is a private and mystical one, somewhere up that backyard slope of wild greenery, where a chickadee announces his pert importance over a flower born to blush unseen. Trevor Lautens lives in West Vancouver, B.C. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2005 Winnipeg Free Press. All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:48:12 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Significant Second Anniversary Significant Second Anniversary Two years ago today, the so-called six-month extension to register all firearms in Canada came to an end. Two years ago today, Ed Tait invited his West Coast compatriots to share a Chinese luncheon with the CUFOA Sea-to-Sea Demonstrators before going to the Legislative Building in Victoria where we specifically displayed the fact that we owned unregistered firearms. Two years have passed; we still own those firearms - unregistered and unlicensed. A question to consider on the eve of Canada Day: If the registration of firearms is so necessary for the safety of all Canadians, and the licensing of firearms owners is so essential in keeping all people safe, why have we not been arrested, charged, convicted, and jailed ?? Willy Floyd lives in BC, and for the past two years he has been openly ignoring the government's demand that he comply with a grossly expensive, ineffective, unjust law. Does the provincial government of BC not consider Mr Floyd a threat to society ?? Something to think about on Canada Day. Sincerely, Eduardo Secretary CUFOA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:58:32 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: Norinco M-14 "Hunting Rifles" On 2005 Jun 30, at 8:42 PM, Todd Birch wrote: > .A known Indian activist openly buys a number of para-military rifles > and > enough ammo for a small guerilla operation. > Nothing here to perk up the ears of the feds! Please excuse my lack of knowledge on this topic - our local newspaper reported exactly ZERO. But did I miss a posting where the persons who were arrested had been found guilty of crime ?? Is being an "Indian Activist" a criminal offense ? I suggest that until these guys are charged, tried, and found guilty we need to DEMAND the government respect their constitutional Right of the presumption of innocence. We most likely have much more in common with these folks than with the government. Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:02:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Re: Norinco M-14 "Hunting Rifles" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Birch > Bruce > > It amazes me how you choose to misconstrue and deliberately misunderstnd > my postings and those of others. You make it easy. > A known Indian activist openly buys a number of para-military rifles and > enough ammo for a small guerilla operation. Nothing here to perk up the > ears of the feds! What "para-military"? It's a *GUN*. Is a Lee Enfield "para-military"? I'm a known gun rights activist - should I be stopped and have my guns stolen because of that? Give your head a shake, boyo. > We all know that a para-military semi-auto is capable of dropping game, > but it stretches credibility to believe that these were the rifles of choice > to teach aboriginal hunters. Gimme a break..... Why? Because *you* say so? That's "guilty until proven innocent" - the favourite tool of the despot! > Why not a rack of Winchester '94s, Model 70s, Remington 700s, Ruger 77s, > etc., etc.? Price. Bottom line. From information I've read, they *did* want Rem 700's but were pursuaded by Lever Arms to buy the M305s, because they could get more bang for the buck! Lever even cut them a deal. Why should they be forced to pay more for a type of gun *you* find "acceptable" for them to have? Do you not see the inherent gun grabberness behind that kind of thinking? > Not to worry, however. Being aboriginal with all kinds of 'rights'; > inherent, inherited and inalienable, he'll get his guns back, an apology > and it won't cost him a dime. > > Wanna bet? As he should, as a law-abiding, PAL holding, legitimate gun owner. You seem to want to go out of your way to ascribe all kinds of nefarious purposes to these people. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, you know. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:54:22 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: Norinco M-14 "Hunting Rifles" It just occurred to me that all status Indians are listed in a data base. Yes, so are the rest of Canadians but in the case of status Indians I wonder if the police check states the individual is a status Indian? This is important because as far as I know a person's racial background, be they black, white or Asian doesn't accompany their drivers licence or SIN card. Or if they are of English, Irish, French, Dutch, Brazilian, Mexican, South African etc etc. descent. > Is being an "Indian Activist" a criminal offense ? > > I suggest that until these guys are charged, tried, and found guilty we > need to DEMAND the government respect their constitutional Right of the > presumption of innocence. __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:59:09 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Judge: No right to hunt clay pigeons http://www.roanoke.com/printer/printpage.aspx?arcID=26453 The Roanoke Times Thursday, June 30, 2005 Judge: No right to hunt clay pigeons By Laurence Hammack 981-3239 A Nelson County judge rules that Constitution doesn't extend to target shooting. | Text of judge's decision A Nelson County judge shot down the argument Wednesday that shooting at clay pigeons falls under Virginians' constitutional right to hunt. In what is believed to be the nation's first ruling in a right-to-hunt case, Circuit Judge Michael Gamble upheld the county board of supervisors' denial of a conditional use permit for a shotgun sports center at Orion Estate, an exclusive hunting preserve. Orion had claimed the county violated a constitutional amendment, approved five years ago by voters in a statewide referendum, that protects the rights of Virginians to "hunt, fish and harvest game." But in an eight-page decision issued Wednesday, Gamble rejected the preserve's argument that shooting at airborne clay and plastic targets at its shotgun sports center is an integral part of hunting. "The real issue in this case involves the definition of the word hunt," Gamble wrote. Applying the "plain, obvious, and common sense" meaning of the word, as set out in legal cases and described in dictionaries, Gamble sided with the county in defining hunting as the pursuit of live game. "Shooting sporting clays is not the pursuit of game," Gamble wrote. "It is essentially shooting at an inanimate object." Although Orion has said the case could have a major effect on hunters in Virginia and across the country, Gamble made it clear in his decision that the right to hunt remains fundamental. But that right is not all-encompassing, he added. "Even our greatest federal constitutional rights such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of assembly have limitations," he wrote. The case has been watched closely by hunting advocates, the National Rifle Association, and nearby residents opposed to the center. Gamble's ruling could provide legal guidance elsewhere as other states join Virginia in offering constitutional protection to their hunters and fishers. Virginia is one of at least a dozen states to make hunting and fishing a constitutional right, and others are considering such measures, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. An appeal to the Virginia Supreme Court is possible. An attorney for Orion said the estate plans to weigh all its options over the next several days before deciding what to do next. "We believe our case has merit," said Alan Nunley, the estate's corporate counsel. "And while we respect Judge Gamble's decision, we are disappointed in the outcome of this trial." Nelson County attorneys could not be reached for comment on the decision, which came a day earlier than when Gamble had promised a ruling. The judge heard final arguments last week after a three-day trial in April. The county has said all along that while it never intended to restrict the right to hunt at Orion, the shotgun sports center amounted to a commercial operation unsuited for a rural area along the banks of the James River. While granting zoning for a corporate training facility on the 450-acre preserve last year, the board of supervisors denied a conditional use permit for the center after hearing concerns from neighboring residents worried about noise and safety. John Zunka, a Charlottesville attorney who represented the county, said in final arguments last week that the center could accommodate as many as 81,000 shooters a year, who would take as many as 4 million shots at clay and plastic targets thrown through the air by machines. Orion countered that those numbers were far too high. But it argued the operation was vital to the future of a hunting preserve that hopes to bring in corporate clients at a rate of $30,000 a year to shoot at both live and fake targets. Shooting at moving targets is a necessary warm-up to hunting, and it promotes both safety and the humane killing of live game, expert witnesses for Orion testified in April. Gamble was not convinced. "This argument fails because the commonly understood definition of the word 'hunt' does not include proficiency, safety, or the humane hunting of game," wrote the judge, who during the trial took the unusual step of visiting the preserve to watch shooting demonstrations. Orion had also argued that shooting at clay targets is not just a preparation for hunting, but a form of the sport in and of itself. As growing urbanization has led to the loss of wildlife habitat, and as people have to travel farther to find suitable places to hunt, more sportsmen have become content to engage in the kind of simulated hunting that Orion provides, witnesses testified. Gamble did allow hunters at the preserve to continue to shoot at clay pigeons and other artificial targets on a limited basis, as long as it is done only as a warm-up to hunting live targets. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #179 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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