From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #210 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, July 11 2005 Volume 08 : Number 210 In this issue: Re: Rick's Right Re: Ottawa Office Re: Rick's Right Re: Rick Lowe's comments (aka N.B.) Re: Rick's Right Re: Rick's Right Re: moderator re: Mark' Horstead's letter, CFD Vol 8, #200 Gun owners take fight against Ottawa to UN: Firearm markings EDITOR: Right on. Sniffing out danger along Canada's border BRITAIN: Olympic marksmen will have to practise in Switzerland ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:53:19 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Re: Rick's Right A resident alien may purchase firearms in the US, provided he can document his status, and prove residence in a state for at least 90 days. A non-resident alien may purchase firearm with a state-issued hunting license or an invitation to a qualifying target shooting event, or a sports or hunting trade show. There are some exceptions and qualifications; check out (e.g.) http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/compliance/bulletins/jop/bulletin17_e.asp Paul Lancaster, NH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:53:40 -0600 (CST) From: "John E. Stevens" Subject: Re: Ottawa Office At 04:23 PM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >Ok gunners and gunnettes...whats it going to be. Are we going to work >towards poutting an Ottawa Office into reality, or are you going to slink >away with your tails between your legs and let this bad law run you over? Yup. Let's do it. But let's do it united. It's absolutely pointless to attempt this route and still see the bashing and subtle name calling that continues. People do resent being guilt tripped if they don't or can't jump on a musical wagon or their health isn't such that they can make trips to far off places or they are just border line fed up with the shenanigans of certain groups or being criticized for having the "misfortune" to live in certain areas of the country. Let's remember that if they own a firearm, other than by necessity of employment, they are on our side. Let's treat them as such. However, with an office in Ottawa, perhaps we can convince the gov't to give us an address list of all our brothers and sisters in arms. Better yet, maybe they would donate a portion of the registration fees to our cause and support Well I too can dream. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:54:06 -0600 (CST) From: "John E. Stevens" Subject: Re: Rick's Right I've legally purchased three, all prior to Clinton. And I am not a US citizen. Only problem was convincing a Cdn customs officer that the hand gun couldn't just come in without some documentation. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:55:44 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: Rick Lowe's comments (aka N.B.) Thanks Rick!! However, I do have ONE niggling little point to raise - and that concerns lawyers writing bylaws, and "legislation". Part of our difficulty with the legal system is that many laws are poorly written. Tomlinson spent many sessions explaining that to us and to others. Rick showed how the NFA "bylaws" were also poorly written (from my perspective, not from dave T.'s nor Jim H.'s I suppose). A friend in Ottawa has been an engineer for about 30 years and an attourney for about 25 years. He got into legislative drafting while he was an engineer and one thing led to another. He now has qualifications to be a legislative drafter. I don't know how he obtained those qualifications, but they seem to be about as hard to get as his Ph.D. The point I an raising is that the average lawyer does not have training in legislative drafting, much less in drafting bylaws. Thus, expert drafters of legislation/bylaws should be retained. Look at all the federal lawyers in the Justice Department (all called to the bar) who have made mistakes in drafting the Firearms Act, never mind any other legislation.. These are smart people, but they still make mistakes, as Rick points out. Ken Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:35:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim S." Subject: Re: Rick's Right Paul - > A resident alien may purchase firearms in the US, provided he can > document his status, and prove residence in a state for at least 90 > days. Thanks for the clarification. I might also suggest looking at the ATF site for further information. For started, I found this link to be useful: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a16 The U.S. laws are complex, and require study. Jim Szpajcher St. Paul, AB. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:09:54 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Lowe Subject: Re: Rick's Right "Todd Birch" > Rick isn't the only gun owner I know making plans to abandon the privileges > of Canadian citizenship by heading south. One friend has it arranged to take Well, a small clarification here. We didn't plan to cut and run for the States - it was thrust upon us. The forest industry is dying here, and my experiment in working for somebody in a conventional job has told me I don't like it much. My wife is a registered environmental landscape architect - and there's tons of work in Montana as the US is ten years ahead of Canada in planning and spending (despite the rah-rah job our government gives us) relating to environmental issues. Around here, about all there is for her is doing the Better Homes and Gardens routine. And as a GIS analyst, it appears there is no shortage of contract work available down in the US. Up here... not so much. So the two hour move south is more of a push than a choice. A house up here in Canada and another one in the US; I know guys who have a longer drive commuting back and forth to work down in Vancouver each day. The difference is that ten or fifteen years ago, I would have fought like hell to avoid leaving Canada. With the state the country is in now - - and that includes far more than just the Firearms Act - well, I just don't care. I don't feel any particular loyalty to this country anymore. The US isn't in much better shape when you look at the big picture, but Montana and Idaho still seem to be very free places to live. - -- "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." George Orwell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:36:37 -0600 (CST) From: Alfred Hovdestad Subject: Re: moderator Hi: You can send them directly to me and I can post them on Skeeter's old web site (http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html). Alfred ross wrote: > It appears that this digest cannot handle the large file that encompasses > the bylaws that I have drafted. > > Any suggestions on how to get this "out there" > > [Moderator's Note: I already recommended putting it up on a website, and > posting a link to it. BNM] > > > NO DISRESPECT MEANT...i just dont know of any website to put this stuff > on.or how to do it..I need help with this. > > john ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:37:22 -0600 (CST) From: Mark L Horstead Subject: re: Mark' Horstead's letter, CFD Vol 8, #200 - --- Jo wrote: > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:20:48 -0600 (CST) > From: Mark I Horsed > Subject: Letter to the Editor of the National Post 8 > July 2005 > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------- > > Mark, > > That is a well a written informative letter > concisely illustrating the > illogical and deceptive propaganda employed by our > government gun grabbers > towards the people of Canada. Thanks Joe. They printed my anti-B*****a S******h rant from two days earlier. I didn't think that they would, and didn't know it until a complete stranger phoned me from New Brunswick to thank me just before we left for a barbecue over at our new candidate's house. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:04:46 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Gun owners take fight against Ottawa to UN: Firearm markings NOTE: Versions of this article also appeared in the: Ottawa Citizen, Windsor Star, Edmonton Journal PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2005.07.11 EDITION: All but Toronto SECTION: World PAGE: A7 BYLINE: Steven Edwards SOURCE: CanWest News Service DATELINE: UNITED NATIONS ILLUSTRATION: Black & White Photo: A rifle. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Gun owners take fight against Ottawa to UN: Firearm markings - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- UNITED NATIONS - A United Nations gun control conference opening today will see Canadian sports-gun owners seek international backing against Ottawa's newest gun control regulations, which they say will unnecessarily make hunting and other gun sports in Canada increasingly unaffordable. The new measures require most imported guns to be marked from next April on a part of the firearm the gun owners say will add up to $200 to the sales cost. The owners believe rallying other countries to their position will make it easier for them to put pressure on Ottawa to cancel or revise the regulations, which specify the gun's receiver must identify Canada as the country of importation, and also show the year of arrival. They say they stand a chance of winning support from countries that have similar hunting traditions to Canada's because even the UN, in rules finalized last month, leaves open the cost-affecting choice of where to place country and year markings on the firearm, if they're placed at all. "We believe Canadian delegates at this week's conference will try to convince other countries that wording of the new UN agreement calls for the new Canadian marking standard," said Tony Bernado, political communications director of the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association. "But if we can convince them that the marking system Canada is planning is not called for and is over the top, we will have a better chance of heading off its introduction next April." Tim Martin, director of peacebuilding and human security at the Department of Foreign Affairs, will address the conference this morning, but declined advance comment. Canadian gun users and traders have for years complained they are being squeezed by an increasing barrage of domestic gun controls, some enacted to comply with UN regulations Canada has helped develop to cut the number of illicit arms used in African, South American and other overseas conflicts. The 191 member states of the UN General Assembly will be asked to approve the new international controls at this fall's 60th anniversary summit. "Canada actively participated in the negotiation of this instrument and believes that it can make a positive contribution to the ability of law enforcement officials to trace illicit small arms, including those used in crimes and those traded in violation of arms embargoes," said Marie-Christine Lilkoff, a foreign affairs department spokeswoman. Mr. Bernado says police can already quickly trace the origins of guns that have entered Canada through current data, which include serial numbers, manufacturer stamps and registration certificates. "The thousands of weapons being used in civil wars in places like Africa have not come from gun owners across Canada," he said. "The new Canadian regulations are harassment of the gun-owning community." But leading gun-control advocates in Canada say international studies have shown that networks supplying the arms fuelling Third World conflicts also feed international crime groups operating in developed countries. "Canada is significantly affected by the illicit trade in guns because we live next door to a country with as many guns as people," said Wendy Cukier, who is attending the UN conference as president of the Canadian-based Coalition for Gun Control. "Historically, it has been hard to trace illicit weapons when found." Because the receiver is the main part of a gun, marking it is preferable to marking other components. Doing so is cheapest during the gun's manufacture, and the UN says "unique" marks such as a serial number should be placed on the receiver at that time. But importation marks would normally be applied after manufacture, when components such as barrels can be cheaply stamped because they are almost always made of steel, but not receivers, which come in different materials, including steel, aluminum, alloys and polymers. "The only practical method of [marking them] is by computerized laser engraving ..." says a position paper Mr. Bernado will distribute at the UN conference. "But these units are ... into the tens of thousands of dollars." Most new firearms in Canada are imported, so costs will "skyrocket, perhaps as much as $200 per gun," the paper adds. "Sales of new firearms in Canada will drastically drop and our importers, distributors and retailers (who are currently hanging on by their thumbs) will go out of business." The UN calls for importation markings only "to the extent possible" and makes no direct reference to location. Asked whether Canada believes other countries should adopt its receiver-marking policy for importation marks, Lilkoff e-mailed a quotation from the UN agreement stating marking choices are a "national prerogative." At the last UN gun control conference in 2003, Canada signalled it favours greater international efforts to restrict gun ownership. But UN officials stressed the world body's focus is on the developing world. "This is about eliminating weapons used to fuel civil wars," said Antonio Evora, a UN disarmament expert. "It is not about taking guns away from law-abiding hunters in places like Alberta." Worldwide, UN officials have helped destroy some 340,000 illicit weapons in the past two years under the organization's 2001 Program of Action to Prevent, Combat and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects. "Canada has been one of the most active countries in promoting the program," added Mr. Evora. ________________________________________ LIBERALS TRYING TO EXPORT THEIR FIREARM FOLLIES AROUND THE WORLD By Garry Breitkreuz, MP, Conservative Firearms Critic - June 28, 2005 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publicate/Columns/2005_june28.htm LES LIBÉRAUX TENTENT DE PROPAGER AU MONDE ENTIER LEUR FOLIE DU CONTRÔLE DES ARMES À FEU Garry Breitkreuz, député et porte parole conservateur en matière d'armes à feu - 28 juin 2005 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publicate/Columns/2005_june28_fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:05:00 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: EDITOR: Right on. PUBLICATION: The Winnipeg Sun DATE: 2005.07.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial/Opinion PAGE: 10 COLUMN: Letter of the Day - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ LETTER OF THE DAY COLUMN - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RIGHT AND WRONG Paul Martin recently said that when it comes to people's rights, "a right is a right." He sounds much like his predecessor who said: "A proof is a proof and when you have a good proof it's because it's proven." Well gun owners have rights and the Martin Liberals are squandering them every time we turn around. I am not just talking about the $2-billon gun registry. Many people in this country have permits for 12/6 class firearms. They are no longer able to take them to a rifle range to target shoot because they are no longer allowed to transport them. These guns were legally purchased by people who have no criminal records. The Martin Liberals took away their right to transport their property making their property worthless. I guess "a right is a right," but we have "a good proof" that the Martin government is only interested in some rights not all rights. Dingus Norris Heriot Bay, B.C. EDITOR: Right on. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:05:26 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Sniffing out danger along Canada's border PUBLICATION: The Kingston Whig-Standard DATE: 2005.07.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: National / World PAGE: 9 / Front BYLINE: Sandra Cordon SOURCE: Canadian Press DATELINE: OTTAWA ILLUSTRATION: Photo: The Canadian Press / Simba, a currency sniffing dog,stands guard at the Pacific Highway Border Crossing in Surrey, B.C. Simba is trained to find hidden money that is being smuggled into the country. NOTE: Ran with fact box "SOME FACTS AND FIGURES ABOUT THEDETECTOR-DOG PROGRAM RUN BY THE CANADA BORDER " which has been appended to the story. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sniffing out danger along Canada's border - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ OTTAWA - The federal government's latest weapon in the war on terror has a big goofy grin, bad breath and a tendency to drool. Despite that, he's popular with the public, who clamour for his photo wherever he appears. Meet Simba, a frisky young Lab-rador retriever who has become a big hit with travellers. They love to see the furry, four-legged federal agent casually work the crowds at Canadian airports and border crossings, looking for money. And he's not after small change. Simba and his canine colleagues have been trained to sniff out money launderers, terrorists, drug dealers and any other criminals who attempt to physically cart their cash in and out of the country, rather than moving it through conventional channels. That's partly because those channels - predominantly banks, brokers, even realtors - have tightened their surveillance of cash flows to meet the demands of governments now keeping closer watch for the proceeds of crime and terrorist financing. As a further step, authorities are keeping a closer watch on the physical flows of cash across borders by using the ultimate low-tech tool: sniffer dogs like Simba. "He just loves his work," says trainer Rob Freer of Vancouver, a Canada Border Services Agency officer who helped develop the training program for canine currency detection. "For him, it's like hunting with the pack, or a big game of hide-and-seek." These crime-fighting canines are trained to identify the scent of specialized ink used around the world to print currencies, so they can trip up anyone trying to move large sums in and out of Canada. Of course, carrying cash isn't illegal. But anyone toting sums over $10,000 across the border is required to declare it to federal officers under the federal Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act. All this is deadly serious business for the authorities, but it's pure joy for Labrador retrievers like four-year-old Simba. The breed's whole life is built around finding and fetching a favoured item. For some dogs, it's a frisbee, or a ball, or a bird. For others, it's a criminal with wads of cash. Now in its third year, the border agency's currency-detection program boasts three money-hunting dog teams, which move among various border crossings and international airports around the country. And it's already paid off, resulting in the seizure of more than $11 million in undeclared or smuggled cash since the pilot project was launched in 2002. Not everyone stopped by the dog teams and found to be carrying stacks of currency is a criminal, notes Freer. Some people simply aren't aware of the law, and some travellers physically lug large sums with them because they either don't trust the bank or are heading into areas where ATMs are hard to find. But some really are trying to smuggle cash, often in creative ways. Simba's diligence recently nabbed a suspect trying to sneak millions of dollars into Canada, hidden under the back dashboard of his car. "The person had lifted up the shelf and wedged it in there. We couldn't find it but Simba wouldn't back down," adamantly sitting by the back of the suspect car, refusing to budge and leave behind his find, recalls Freer. "We searched and searched and when we finally popped up the [back] shelf, there it was." Freer, a 14-year veteran of the agency, worked with Simba to create a separate program from other dog-detection operations. Different breeds of dogs have been used for almost 30 years by federal border authorities, who now boast 69 dog teams across the country to track drug suspects or detect hidden firearms and restricted agricultural products. The dogs are trained to ignore all other interesting but irrelevant smells to focus on their sole speciality, says Freer. Cross-training of scents - using the same dog to detect more than one item - is frowned upon to avoid confusing the animals. They're also trained to be cool and low-key on the job. So when Simba catches a whiff of a sizeable cash cache, he makes no fuss but simply parks himself at the feet of the suspect and sticks there until his two-legged partner catches on. "He alerts us when there are large sums of money and then we just talk to the person," to find out how much cash they're carrying and why, says Freer. "Sometimes the dog will hit on a person that has already declared it and then we just look at the papers and say 'thank you very much, bye-bye.' " That makes the process quick and methodical, says Freer. Simba can nose his way through large numbers of travellers quickly, pausing only to nab a suspect - or pose for tourist photos. "For every one person that an officer talks to, a dog can check out 20 in the same amount of time," says Freer. "And it's good public relations - people love it when the dog comes up. I mean, who can resist this guy with the big eyes and the black tail wagging." SOME FACTS AND FIGURES ABOUT THE DETECTOR-DOG PROGRAM RUN BY THE CANADA BORDER SERVICES AGENCY - - The agency uses several different breeds, but has primarily employed the Labrador retriever for drug, firearm and currency detection; and the beagle for plant, food and animals. - - Dogs are matched with experienced agency officers to form detector-dog teams. - - Dogs are usually 11 months to 16 months of age when their training begins. - - Detector dogs typically work for eight to 10 years before retirement. - - After they retire, their handler chooses whether to keep the dog as a pet or find it a suitable retirement home. - - The border agency looks for dogs in good physical condition, who love to track and retrieve, are sociable but bold. - - Dog handlers must be experienced customs inspectors willing to be dedicated to their dog and their job 24 hours a day. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:06:02 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: BRITAIN: Olympic marksmen will have to practise in Switzerland PUBLICATION: The Daily Telegraph DATE: 2005.07.11 PAGE: 02 SECTION: Features NOTE: Comment BYLINE: Philip Johnston - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Our Olympic marksmen will have to practise in Switzerland Home front - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of the stars of the 1948 Olympics - the last time the games were held in London - was a Hungarian called Karoly Takacs. Ten years earlier, when he was a member of his country's world champion pistol shooting team, an accident with a grenade shattered his right hand - his pistol hand. Takacs taught himself to shoot with his left hand and, 10 years later in London, he won a gold medal in the rapid-fire pistol event. The reason for telling this story is that pistol shooting will, of course, be an event at the games in 2012; but British shooters, because of the ban on handguns introduced after the Dunblane massacre, are almost as disadvantaged as Takacs because they cannot practise in their own country at all. They, along with all the shooting competitors from overseas, need a special dispensation from the Home Secretary to bring their pistols into the country. Indeed, in order to secure the bid for London, the Home Secretary has already graciously granted his authority for the shooting events to take place and for a test event in the previous year. This column has previously highlighted the ridiculous predicament of perfectly law-abiding sportsmen and women who happen to enjoy hitting targets using pistols, rather than, say, an arrow or a dart. Some have written to me, detecting the hand of a kindred shooter, but I have never picked up a pistol or a rifle in my life, other than at a fairground, nor a shotgun for that matter. What exercises me is the sheer unfairness and disproportionate nature of the imposition that has been placed upon law-abiding individuals because of the murderous activities of a single madman, combined with the fact that because shooting is a minority pastime, few politicians are prepared to stand up for them. The ranks of those who are so prepared were depleted still further by the recent death of Lord Swansea, described in his obituary in this newspaper last week as "one of the finest marksmen of his generation and a dogged champion of the shooting lobby in the aftermath of the Hungerford and Dunblane shootings''. When the legislation banning handguns went through Parliament in 1997, Lord Swansea said this: "The Bill will do nothing to improve public safety. The criminal element will still be quite unaffected. They will be laughing their heads off right now. I shall not be at all surprised to see a continuation of crimes involving firearms held illegally.'' His words, as we now know, were prescient. Since the prohibition, there has been a sharp increase in gun crime, though ministers recently hailed a slight fall last year. But London is experiencing a record number of gun killings and shootings, mostly linked to gangsterism and the drugs trade, but also to resolve disputes and feuds. An extraordinary report last week on an unpublished Metropolitan Police survey of children under 16 living in inner London suggested that six per cent of the group polled said they had fired a handgun and eight per cent said they could easily gain access to one. Police say the number of youths carrying firearms has doubled in the past five years and many teenagers see them as fashion accessories. So, banning pistols that are used in legitimate sporting events has not, as Lord Swansea foresaw, made a ha'p'orth of difference to the criminal possession of guns. Why do we in this country persist in introducing legislation that inconveniences or even criminalises responsible, sensible people in all walks of life, simply in order that politicians can claim to have "done something''? Since this is now blindingly obvious to everyone other than those who will never be happy until air rifles and shotguns are also banned, the time has surely come for a sensible reconsideration of this law, at least as far as sporting shooters are concerned. It seems patently unjust that, uniquely among the competitors preparing for 2012, pistol shooters will have to go to Switzerland or wherever to practise and the sport will find it hard to attract new adherents because of the restrictions on ownership and the costs involved in training overseas. At the Sydney games in 2000, shooting had the third highest number of countries competing. They must all think we are mad. And it is not the first time this has happened. When the Commonwealth Games were held in Manchester in 2002, the competitors' pistols were guarded on their journey from the airport to the competition venue at Bisley. The Cullen report into the Dunblane massacre never recommended a complete ban; a partial prohibition was brought in by the last Tory government and then fully implemented by Labour soon after it took power. This affected the sport of an estimated 50,000 participants, which is a pretty big minority, at a time when it was growing rapidly. The anti-shooting lobby already has its sights set on further restrictions. The age for using an airgun is being increased and there is concern among sporting groups that the Animal Welfare Bill about to go before Parliament will be used to impose restrictions on game shooting, which supports up to 40,000 jobs and generates around pounds 1 billion annually for the rural economy. We seem to have our priorities askew at the moment. One would have thought that last Thursday's events in London would make our politicians and law enforcers stop and think about who the real enemies are before they further persecute the honest and the law-abiding. As an example of this lunacy, a colleague was at King's Cross station in London last week, the day before the bomb there, and was stopped by a police officer who wanted to know why he was carrying a cricket bat. He was, believe it or not, on his way to play cricket. The officer was then required to fill out a lengthy form explaining why he had stopped him. It is fortunate that cricket is not an Olympic sport, otherwise the police would really have their work cut out. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #210 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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