From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #251 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, July 24 2005 Volume 08 : Number 251 In this issue: SHOOTING VICTIM 'DISLIKED' Watchdog frustrated by RCMP: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #250 Re: Quebec & taxes RE: mission statement The 'God' bit "Too American" Re: Re: Some in U.K. Shocked Over Subway Killing Try this mission statement Considerations for CFEI and discussion group Re: Some in U.K. Shocked Over Subway Killing Re: The 'God' bit RFC poster person Re: Some in U.K. Shocked Over Subway Killing Mission staement Re: Mission staement Re: Mission staement ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:06:03 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: SHOOTING VICTIM 'DISLIKED' PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2005.07.24 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 12 ILLUSTRATION: photo SHAMARI BELNAVIS,was gunned down last Tuesday. BYLINE: ROB LAMBERTI, TORONTO SUN - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHOOTING VICTIM 'DISLIKED' LIST OF SUSPECTS COULD BE LONG - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A 20-YEAR-old man gunned down in an apparent gang-style execution was not well liked on the streets and the list of possible suspects could be long, sources say. "There's reasons for him being disliked out there," the source said yesterday about Shamari "Juvie" Belnavis. "There's a myriad of potential." Belnavis was shot in front of dozens of children playing in the common area of a townhouse complex on Humber Blvd. Tuesday night. Two men, one armed with two pistols, ran after Belnavis through the complex, repeatedly firing at him. A wayward bullet hit Belnavis' friend in the back, and residents remain stunned by the disregard the gunmen had for the safety the children. Belnavis was to appear in court in November for trial in connection with an April 2004 wounding of a man on Shoreham Ct. Belnavis, a father of two who was expecting a third, will be buried Friday. Arrangements are still being finalized for the funeral, which will be held in Mississauga. Anyone with information in the case should call police at 416-808-7400 or Crime Stoppers. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:06:14 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Watchdog frustrated by RCMP: PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2005.07.24 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A6 BYLINE: Simon Doyle SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen ILLUSTRATION: Colour Photo: File / Shirley Heafey, chairwoman of the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watchdog frustrated by RCMP: Documents needed to investigate complaints often withheld: report - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RCMP refusals to release files for the investigation of public complaints is an attempt to "frustrate" the complaints process, Canada's national RCMP watchdog says in a new annual report. Shirley Heafey, chairwoman of the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP, writes that the CPC persistently faces challenges from the RCMP in its attempt to access information. "When relevant materials are withheld, the CPC is led to infer that the withholding is an attempt by the RCMP to frustrate the public complaints process," the report says. For example, the report says, the CPC is reviewing a complaint into the arrest of 23 Muslim men under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, in which is alleged the RCMP improperly arrested the men under suspicion of terrorism activities without conducting a thorough investigation. In its review of the complaint, the CPC says that the RCMP failed to hand over "a large number of crucial documents," including operational files, search warrants and other supporting documents. The CPC has since requested a list of records needed for its review of the complaint, and is waiting for the RCMP to reply, the report says. But the CPC's request for withheld materials seems frequent, according to the report. It adds that in the course of another review of a complaint, "the CPC had to make repeated requests over a two-year period for additional materials," including correspondence and RCMP operational files. It is an issue "with which the CPC continues to grapple in the face of the RCMP's direct refusals to furnish relevant materials," the report says. The RCMP Act requires the RCMP to hand over all relevant material when the CPC reviews a public complaint, the report says. The report represents a "culture of cover up" in the "upper echelons" of the RCMP, said deputy Conservative leader and justice critic Peter MacKay in a phone interview from his riding in Nova Scotia. Mr. MacKay said the senior ranks of the RCMP look increasingly like a bureaucratic extension of the government rather than an independent police force. "These guys, like (RCMP Commissioner Giuliano) Zaccardelli are more concerned about public relations efforts and being on the cocktail circuit," he said. "Their role, by definition, is to protect the country, not the government or themselves," Mr. MacKay said. "The public complaints commission was put in place for this very reason, to ensure accountability, disclosure and public scrutiny." The former Crown prosecutor recently called the relationship between the RCMP and the Liberal government "cozy." The report acknowledges that Mr. Zaccardelli accepts most of CPC's criticism of the RCMP. However, it also suggests that tougher legislation is needed to force the Mounties to co-operate with Ms. Heafey's office. The report has been sent to Minister of Public Safety Anne McLellan for tabling in Parliament. An RCMP spokesperson could not be reached yesterday. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:06:46 -0600 (CST) From: "Frank Cochrane" Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #250 What is so wrong with American terms, these terms have worked for them. And heh personally I much prefer the American sense of purpose and pride over the waffling, bellyaching, and indifference shown by so many Canadians. There is my thought for the day. Sincerely, Frank Cochrane Cochrane Computer Services Box 141 Brookfield NS B0N1C0 902-673-2504 902-899-8959 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:07:19 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: Quebec & taxes - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Farion" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: Quebec & taxes > Hi; > Well, Quebec has done it to Canadians again! > Stephan Dion is going to hit canadians with a $200 per ton carbon tax. > Published in Canada Gazette! could you submit the link to this story Did the government of Quebec bring this about or was it just a federal minister, Dion? If it was just Dion then what does Quebec have to do with it? If its a move by the Liberal party then blame the Ontario voters who keep putting the liberals back into power. Can it then be said the pain and suffering of cattle farmers across Canada is the fault of Alberta? I don't think so, do you? I am in Quebec and I haven't done anything to anybody. Oh and in case you forgot Quebec is a part of Canada. Which extends an understanding that Quebec residents are also Canadians. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:07:41 -0600 (CST) From: Rod Regier Subject: RE: mission statement Isn't there a UN resolution that Canada voted for that mentions having the right and means for self defense? Perhaps we can co-opt the language w/o attribution. If the antis object later, we can then trot out "well, Canada voted for it at the UN". Hoist by their own petard :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:13:27 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: The 'God' bit Congrats on the CFEI bylaws . . . certainly a major work. Keep the mission statement brief and tight. Have you done a business plan? Have you consulted with previous 'explorers' such as Professor Al Dorans and Dr. Jules Sobrian? >>> How about this. (Preserving the inherit rights of all canadians in a free >>> and democratic society as layed down by the "Creator since Creation.?? > > And which "Creator" would that be? Amaterasu? Gitchigumi? Shiva? And > from which creation date? The Mayan? How about the Hindu? Or do you mean > Bishop Usher's date of 4004 BC? > > No Creator. No Divinity. No God. Nobody's. None. Why drag Her into > this? She's not going to win this fight for us... I agree with Bruce - leave God out of it! She/He does little to bulwark our 'Rights' argument. Inclusion will largely appeal to those 'socially conservative' folks who contrary to popular belief, insist 'bad guns' need to be registered and that screening certificates will be required for gun purchases and to obtain ATTs and who accept that 'really bad' guns should not venture out of your safe. (This is after the Lord's Prayer and Oh Canada and as they cheer any vague statement about Bill C-68 being repealed). There was a comment on the CFD some time back about gun activists being aroused from a deep slumber by C-17 - and then fully awakened into action by C-68. May I point out that more politically sensitive owners entered the fray back when the first Hunter Safety requirements were introduced (seen as the initial legislative thin-edge-of-the-wedge and as interference in our traditional cultural trappings and with the role of parents). Ontario has had three children drown this summer and already the province wants to mandate swimming training in the public schools. Pity we can't get a gun safety course in the schools. Freedomists' concerns about big brotherism were taken seriously when FACs came out. Alas, rather then protesting these innocuous measures most gun and hunting orgs fell all over themselves looking for ways to make a buck on the backs of their constituents. (Now, that would be a useful inclusion in a constitution. Something about no 'truck with the feds or provs' with any sort of 'licencing/certification' scheme due to the obvious conflict of interest). I doubt few on this forum were little more than 'aspirations' when the Handgun registry became law in 1934, 71 years ago. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:18:42 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: "Too American" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Cochrane > What is so wrong with American terms, these terms have worked for them. And > heh personally I much prefer the American sense of purpose and pride over > the waffling, bellyaching, and indifference shown by so many Canadians. Because unfortunately, the vast majority of Canadians have unthinkingly bought into the liberal paradigm that being "Canadian" is best expressed as "not American". Despite this, I still think that "the right to keep and bear arms" says what we want to say in the most direct and relatable fashion. If there is a better term to describe this, you'd think they'd have come up with it in 230-odd years... Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:35:12 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Mills" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 8:18 PM > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: mred >> >> > I disagree Bruce ,Its not what we believe?, but what the majority > believes >> > , and this is the one "hook " that will bind them to our cause .You >> > may, >> > or may not believe, in the Creator or Supreme Being?but miillions do >> > !!! >> > ...ed/ontario >> >> Shall we be Liberals, then, and pander to what we think the majority, in >> their tyranny, want? Isn't that what got us here in the first place? >> >> Yours in Liberty, >> Bruce >> Hamilton >> Ontario Whatever it takes to succeed ..call it what you will ?.ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:36:22 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Some in U.K. Shocked Over Subway Killing Whats with all the numbers in your post Linda?...ed/ontario - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda FreefallCrusader" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:47 AM Subject: Some in U.K. Shocked Over Subway Killing > From article below=3A =22We are still the only unarmed police service in = > Europe and in view of the terrorist incidents over the past two weeks thi= > s must be reviewed as a matter of urgency=2C=22 he said=2E=22 [Modreator's Note: That is what happens when you don't send submissions to the CFD in "plain text' format. BNM] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:36:44 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Try this mission statement "Serving Canadians to protect their natural rights, and the principles of fundamental justice regardless of issue" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:37:21 -0600 (CST) From: Linda FreefallCrusader Subject: Considerations for CFEI and discussion group If CFEI is to go forward, and if there is to be SERIOUS discussion on it's creation and setup, the information below are links to some 'must read' documents. Ideally, CFEI will apply as having the intention to be Not-for-Profit (there is a 'waiting period' component involved - 1 year if I remember correctly - before charitable status can actually be applied for). Should the intention change over time to become a "FOR profit", then that change is merely a matter of notification and an amendment. MUST READ'S. This may seem like a bit of a maze (aren't all reg's?), but you should at least click on each one and 'skim' the info if nothing else): Information Kit on the Creation and Amendment of Not-for-Profit Corporations http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/incd-dgc.nsf/en/cs02167e.html#complete (Note: As you read, pay attention to those items that "MUST" be in your bylaws.) 6. Not-for-profit Checklist http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/incd-dgc.nsf/en/cs00017e.html Not-for-profit Policy Summary http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/incd-dgc.nsf/en/cs00011e.html 7. Corporations Canada Model By-Law: Not-for-profit (includes section at bottom for more than one level in corporate structure) http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/incd-dgc.nsf/en/cs00014e.html Excerpt: * What is a Non-Profit Corporation? Unlike a profit-making corporation where certain shareholders will be entitled to participate in the profits of the company, for instance by receiving dividends, in a not-for-profit corporation, the persons acting together for a common purpose are members who are prohibited by the statute from receiving any pecuniary gain. Their common purpose is not to make money for themselves but rather to carry on some activity of a national, patriotic, religious, philanthropic, charitable, scientific, artistic, social, professional or sporting character, or the like. * What is the Basic Structure of a Non-Profit Corporation? The two basic components of a not-for-profit corporation are the Membership and the Board of Directors. Under the terms of the general by-laws of the corporation, the Board of Directors is given the responsibility to manage the affairs of the corporation. In order to do this, they meet together as often as necessary and may delegate certain responsibilities to specified officers so that routine matters can be taken care of in the interval between their meetings. Under the federal Act, the Membership must meet at least once a year to receive the Board's report on how the corporation has been managed over the last year and how it will be managed over the next year, to review the audited financial statements and to appoint an auditor for the coming year. Certain actions of the board must be confirmed by the membership, e.g. amendment of the Letters Patent. In many corporations, the Membership will have the power to re-elect directors on a regular basis and to remove existing directors, if necessary, in order that the management of the corporation reflects the wishes of the Membership. Excerpt From: http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/incd-dgc.nsf/en/cs02167e.html#not-for-profit Excerpt: * V - Control on Chapters Where the federal corporation has, by its by-laws, delegated certain powers to its chapters or branches, for example the power to accept an individual as a member on behalf of the corporation, the by-laws of the federal corporation should go on to specify how those chapters and branches are responsible to the board of directors of the corporation which manages the corporation, e.g. submit by-laws and financial statements to national board of directors for approval, provide for creation and disbandment of ch apters or branches etc. Excerpt from: Annex 3a - Model By-Law Supplement By-Laws relating to corporations with more than one "level" http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/incd-dgc.nsf/en/cs00011e.html#level Another must read: Primer for Directors of Not-For-Profit Corporations, Rights, Duties and Practices http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/incd-dgc.nsf/en/cs02062e.html Excerpt from FAQ's (per below: CFEI 'should' also register with at least Ontario to start with, and others later perhaps): 14. If a company incorporates at the federal level, do they need to register anything with the provinces? Yes. Whether a company is incorporated federally or provincially, they will likely be required to register their business in one or more province(s) and/or territory(ies) where they carry on business. Corporations Canada is working with provincial and territorial officials to decrease this burden. Currently, any Ontario, Nova Scotia, or Newfoundland and Labrador client completing their on-line incorporation process through our Online Filing Centre has the option of continuing with the completion of their extra-provincial registration forms. The other provinces and territories have individual requirements for registering corporations from outside their borders. Incorporators should contact the local corporate law administration office (also known as Provincial Registrars) in each province or territory in which they plan to carry on business. 15. Do I have to incorporate federally and provincially? No, you either incorporate federally or provincially. Note: All the FAQ's are worth a look... http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/incd-dgc.nsf/en/h_cs02193e.html Another important page - various links... http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/incd-dgc.nsf/en/h_cs01414e.html REMINDER: If enough people are seriously interested in moving this forward, there is a discussion group (Private Yahoo Group) that is set up and waiting to be used. I am collecting names of interested parties right now, but will not start the group until I have about 10 names (ie: enough for a 'reasonable' discussion to occur). While discussions are occuring on this site, the information has gone out to OTHER forums as well as this digest, so other interested parties could be missing out on valid discussion. We cannot limit ourselves to just the digest, or we will be missing out on a lot of opportunity to get RFC members from across the country involved. Happy reading... Linda PLEASE NOTE: This is John Ross's initiative, and you can contact him at: I am merely a 'facilitator' of sorts, that has offered temporary web space to this effort(a permanent site would be obtained later), and who has created the Yahoo Group for discussion. If you wish to join the discussion group, it is a 'private group', membership is "restricted" (all requests for membership must be approved). Email me at: Or you can go to: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFEI_discussion/ and click on "Join This Group". You will be taken to a 'sign in page' where you need to create a Yahoo ID (username) and password. You will then fill out a bit more info (email addy and options on how you want to receive messages - ie: digest, individual email, or no mail and you read on the net), and then you receive a message stating "Membership Pending - Your membership request has been submitted to the group CFEI_discussion! You will receive a confirmation email when your membership has been approved. ..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:37:58 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Some in U.K. Shocked Over Subway Killing only the police and military should have guns ???.ed/ontario - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda FreefallCrusader" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:47 AM Subject: Some in U.K. Shocked Over Subway Killing > From article below=3A =22We are still the only unarmed police service in = > Europe and in view of the terrorist incidents over the past two weeks thi= > s must be reviewed as a matter of urgency=2C=22 he said=2E=22 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:41:13 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: The 'God' bit - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Jasper" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: The 'God' bit > Congrats on the CFEI bylaws . . . certainly a major work. Keep the > mission statement brief and tight. > I doubt few on this forum were little more than 'aspirations' when the > Handgun registry became law in 1934, 71 years ago. Yup........... 71 this year ...ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:44:04 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: RFC poster person > Armstrong Ends Career With 7th Tour Win Not bad for a 33 year old survivor of testicular cancer. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:00:36 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Some in U.K. Shocked Over Subway Killing > [Modreator's Note: That is what happens when you don't send submissions to > the CFD in "plain text' > format. BNM] Makes it hard for this old fella to read..ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:01:01 -0600 (CST) From: "mac mcbride" Subject: Mission staement There is no need to involve any religion or religious statements in a mission statement. Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. Lets drop the whole thing, accepting anyone who agrees with the direction of our efforts. Mac. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:26:55 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Mission staement - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mac mcbride" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: Mission staement > There is no need to involve any religion or religious statements in a > mission statement. > > Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. Lets drop the whole > thing, accepting anyone who agrees with the direction of our efforts. This sounds good? but how many would NOT support our efforts if a deity was not invoked ? Can we REALLY afford to p**-off so many people when we`re trying to make a statement?....ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:32:46 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Re: Mission staement - ----- Original Message ----- From: mred To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Mission staement > This sounds good? but how many would NOT support our efforts if a deity was > not invoked ? Can we REALLY afford to p**-off so many people when we`re > trying to make a statement?....ed/ontario Really, who's actually going to say "Holy crap, they didn't mention the Deity in their Mission Statement! No way am I going to support *those* scumbags!"? In my opinion, out of sight is out of mind. It doesn't really advance our cause, so there's no need for it. 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