From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #257 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, July 26 2005 Volume 08 : Number 257 In this issue: Army forced to use 'obsolete' weapons first used in 1957 SIU investigating shooting of man, 23, by police Man has surgery following shooting; Seized .38 caliber pistol, two replica handguns and a Tazer stun gun. Pierre Lemieux Column: Your Papers, Please MacKay calls for McLellan to Deal with Complaints cfei mission statement Lanark Landowners Association Membership fees Shocking Shootings Re: Lanark Landowners Association Re: Lanark Landowners Association Updated Quick Facts about the Canadian Firearms Program ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:08:02 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Army forced to use 'obsolete' weapons first used in 1957 PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2005.07.26 EDITION: All but Toronto SECTION: Canada PAGE: A5 BYLINE: Chris Wattie SOURCE: National Post NOTE: cwattie@nationalpost.com - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New guns sent back with cracked barrels: French-built howitzers: Army forced to use 'obsolete' weapons first used in 1957 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More than half of the newest howitzers in the Canadian army's arsenal have been sidelined by cracks in their steel barrels, while the rest of the artillery branch has been reduced to using mothballed Vietnam-era guns. All but 10 of Canada's 28 French-built LG1 howitzers, bought in 1997 as light artillery to support the army's infantry battalions, were found to have developed the potentially dangerous cracks, an army spokesman said yesterday. "Out of 28 guns we managed to find 10 that were not cracked," said Major Bruno Di Ilio, of the army's directorate of land requirements. " Maj. Di Ilio said that as soon as the problem was detected, late last year, the Canadian Forces called in Giat, the French manufacturer of the LG1 Mark II. "They came out and took a look at it and determined that it was a problem in the manufacturing process." The firm quickly corrected the flaw in the 10 guns with uncracked barrels, but is still working on a fix for the remaining 18 howitzers. "I was hoping to have it done by now, frankly," said Maj. Di Ilio. Meanwhile, the army's artillery regiments have been forced to press a 48-year-old gun back into service long after it was retired to fill a gap left by the retirement of their M109 self-propelled guns. The C1 howitzer, which first came into service in 1957, is now being used by some gun batteries for training, Maj. Di Ilio said. Critics called it "scandalous" that the army was reduced to using five-decade-old equipment. Colonel Brian MacDonald, a former artillery officer who is now a researcher with the Royal Canadian Military Institute, said the C1 howitzer was a good weapon in its day, but that day is long past. "It's obsolete," he said. "We're replacing a medium howitzer that can throw a bullet 19 kilometres with an older, short-range one that can only throw one 11 kilometres. "And if we have to go up against more modern artillery with longer range, we're dead meat." Col. MacDonald said the C1 was actually built based on an even older design. "These guns were designed before World War Two for heaven's sake.... They are the oldest piece of equipment in the entire Canadian Forces." Gordon O'Connor, the Conservative defence critic, said the artillery branch has suffered particularly from government neglect of the Canadian Forces because of the warlike nature of the guns. "They're oriented around indirect firepower," he said. "They're a combat arm -- it's hard to use artillery for peacekeeping or peacemaking and that's all the Liberal government's been interested in lately." "[So] their equpment has been allowed to just rust away." Mr. O'Connor said that there are no active plans to replace the army's self-propelled guns, meaning the artillery might be stuck with the antique C1 howitzers for some time. "They're older than the Sea Kings [maritime helicopters] and will probably be around even longer," he said. "That's how bad a state the artillery branch is in -- and they're way down the list for replacing their capital equipment." Maj. Di Ilio acknowledged that there are no immediate plans for new self-propelled guns that the C1 howitzers are replacing "as an interim measure," but said there are proposals "on the drawing board." There is no immediate word on when the LG1's cracked barrels will be fixed, but Maj. Di Ilio said the work will be done at the company's expense. The LG1 is usually towed behind a truck or armoured vehicle, but at a total weight of 1.5 tonnes, was designed to be light enough to be lifted by helicopter, dropped by parachute and transported by air. It has a crew of between three and seven gunners, depending on the mission and with its "extended range" shells, can fire at targets up to 19 kilometres away. A battery of four LG1s was sent to Kabul in 2003 with the first Canadian battle group deployed to the Afghan capital as part of the International Security Assistance Force. Military spokesmen said it has not yet been decided whether the guns will accompany a Canadian battle group to Kandahar, in southern Afghanistan, early next year. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:08:12 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: SIU investigating shooting of man, 23, by police (Owen Sound Sun Times) DATE: 2005.07.25 CATEGORY: Quebec-Ontario regional general news PUBLICATION: cpw - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SIU investigating shooting of man, 23, by police in Port Elgin - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PORT ELGIN, Ont. (CP) _ The province's Special Investigations Unit is investigating a police shooting in which a man suffered injuries to his leg. The incident occurred Sunday as officers with the Saugeen Shores Police Service searched for a break and enter suspect. At about 10:40 p.m., a man was found in the backyard of a home. An officer fired her gun during a confrontation with the man, officials said. The man fled the scene and it was uncertain at the time whether the officer had shot him. Police found a man with a gunshot wound to his leg shortly after 6 a.m. Monday. The 23-year-old man was treated at hospital and released into police custody. The SIU, which investigates civilian deaths or injuries involving police, has five investigators in Port Elgin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:08:21 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Man has surgery following shooting; PUBLICATION: The Toronto Star DATE: 2005.07.26 EDITION: ONT SECTION: News PAGE: B4 BYLINE: Betsy Powell SOURCE: Toronto Star - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Man has surgery following shooting; Struck in leg at outdoor memorial 'Nobody wants to share information' - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A 21-year-old man underwent surgery yesterday after being shot in the leg near a large outdoor party in the Lawrence Ave. W. and Allen Rd. area on Sunday night. Police say there are conflicting reports about the occasion being marked by revellers. Some reports said partygoers had gathered to remember the slaying of Michael Lewis, 29, and Paul Watson, 33, who were gunned down outside their Lawrence Ave. W. apartment building known as the "Jungle" on July 24, 2001. Four men were convicted of murder earlier this year during an emotionally charged trial. The prosecution said the victims were targeted because of the accuseds' mistaken belief that Lewis and Watson had been involved in a homicide at a Rexdale nightclub On Saturday, a ceremony and barbecue were held at a Lawrence Heights public school, where a new basketball facility was officially opened and one of two courts dedicated to the memory of the two community leaders. But yesterday, Sgt. Todd Grover of 32 Division said Sunday night's party might have been held to mark more recent bloodshed - that of the June 25 stabbing death of Suzanne Campbell, 31, a mother of three young children. She was found in a pool of blood at her Dorney Court townhouse, which is across the street from where Sunday's gunshots rang out. Campbell's 28-year-old best friend faces a second-degree murder charge. The Star is not publishing the suspect's name because her children are in the care of the Children's Aid Society of Toronto. "There's some confusion. They just said they were holding a memorial. We don't know who exactly it was for," Grover said. "We haven't received confirmation from any source down there as to who the memorial was for. There was some type of memorial - whether they were combined or not we don't know because, as usual, the community is tight-lipped about it ... nobody wants to share information." Police were monitoring the party and there were no reports of trouble until an officer in a patrol car heard the gunshots around 10 50 p.m. Several nearby homes were hit. The victim made his own way to hospital. Homicide Det. Kathryn Martin, who headed the Watson-Lewis investigation, attended Saturday's dedication on her day off. She cautioned against linking Sunday's shooting with the Watson-Lewis murders. If the party was in their honour, Martin said she thinks it would be unlikely anyone associated with the convicted killers would be in the vicinity. "I wouldn't think that any of those people would be in the Jungle ... it's a really, really tight-knit (community) and I think the word would get out immediately if one of those compatriots showed up." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:08:31 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Seized .38 caliber pistol, two replica handguns and a Tazer stun gun. PUBLICATION: The Record (Kitchener, Cambridge and Waterloo) DATE: 2005.07.26 EDITION: Final SECTION: LOCAL PAGE: B8 SOURCE: Record staff DATELINE: GUELPH - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Speeding driver arrested on drug, weapons charges - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you're carrying weapons, drugs and stolen property in your van, it's probably not a good idea to speed. But that didn't stop a 35-year-old Cambridge woman from going some 40 kilometres over the limit in an 80 km/h zone in Guelph Saturday morning. OPP Const. Keith Robb said an OPP officer saw a 1994 Ford Windstar speeding down Highway 6 near Clair Road at about 4 a.m. and pulled it over. Robb said the officer then saw the butt of a gun sticking out of the rear of the driver's seat. The driver was unco-operative and kept reaching into her pants, so she was quickly arrested, he added. Upon further investigation, officers found the vehicle contained thousands of dollars worth of crack cocaine, a smaller amount of marijuana, drug paraphernalia, several stolen rings, a .38 caliber pistol, two replica handguns and a Tazer stun gun. The woman now faces numerous charges including carrying a concealed weapon, drug possession, obstructing a peace officer and possession of property obtained by crime. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:08:52 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Pierre Lemieux Column: Your Papers, Please YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE by Pierre Lemieux http://www.pierrelemieux.org/artwsid.html Published in the Western Standard, June 27, 2005, p. 42. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:09:03 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: MacKay calls for McLellan to Deal with Complaints Peter MacKay, MP Official Opposition Critic, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Deputy Leader of the Conservative Party NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 26, 2005 MacKay calls for McLellan to Deal with Complaints Ottawa - Peter MacKay, M.P., Central Nova and Conservative critic for Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, today questioned why Minister Anne McLellan has not dealt with the complaints outlined in the latest annual report of the Commission for Public Complaints Against the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (CPC). "In her annual report, Shirley Heafey repeats her concern that the biggest challenge facing the RCMP Public Complaints Commission is the inability to obtain information controlled by the RCMP. Ms. Heafey also said that the RCMP refuses to give up any documentation relating to national security, so in effect there is no civilian oversight of RCMP activities in that area", said MacKay. MacKay noted that the RCMP, rather than the CPC Chair determines what information is given to the Commission. Ms. Heafey has complained about the RCMP culture of secrecy and non-cooperation before and the government has done nothing to correct it. Instead, the government asked Justice O'Connor, head of the Arar Commission, to make recommendations as to how to achieve an arms' length review mechanism for the national security activities of the RCMP. "Canada needs to be at heightened vigilance for terrorist activities. However, we must also ensure that, as a balance, we have an effective oversight process for our national police force. The government has done nothing to provide oversight and transparency in RCMP national security activities, preferring optics and press releases to concrete action," said MacKay. MacKay noted that the Conservative Party has called for a National Security Commissioner to co-ordinate and expand Canada's intelligence and security agencies as well as a National Security Committee of Parliamentarians to scrutinize and oversee the activities of Canada's national security agencies. - -30- For further information: Michael Bailey (613) 222-4058 ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ________ Peter MacKay, député Porte-parole de l'opposition officielle en matière de sécurité publique et de protection civile Leader adjoint du Parti conservateur COMMUNIQUÉ POUR DIFFUSION IMMÉDIATE Le 26 juillet, 2005 MacKay demande à McLellan de donner suite aux plaintes contre la GRC Ottawa - Peter MacKay, député de Nova-Centre et porte-parole conservateur en matière de sécurité publique et de protection civile, voudrait bien savoir pourquoi la ministre Anne McLellan n'a toujours pas donné suite aux plaintes formulées dans le dernier rapport annuel de la Commission des plaintes du public contre la GRC. « Dans son rapport annuel, Shirley Heafey a réitéré son inquiétude à l'égard de la principale difficulté rencontrée par la Commission, soit d'obtenir certains renseignements contrôlés par la GRC. Selon Mme Heafey, la GRC refuse de communiquer quelque information que ce soit sur ses activités de sécurité nationale. Concrètement, cela signifie que les activités de la GRC dans ce domaine ne font l'objet d'aucune surveillance civile », a dit M. MacKay. M. MacKay a noté que c'est le président de la GRC, non pas celui de la Commission, qui choisit les renseignements qui seront communiqués à celle-ci. Ce n'est pas la première fois que Mme Heafey se plaint de la culture du secret qui règne à la GRC et du refus de cette dernière de coopérer. Pourtant, le gouvernement n'a toujours rien fait pour corriger la situation. Au lieu de cela, il a demandé au juge O'Connor, qui préside la Commission Arar, de formuler des recommandations en vue d'établir un mécanisme d'examen indépendant auquel seraient soumises les activités de sécurité nationale de la GRC. « Le Canada doit faire preuve d'une grande vigilance à l'égard des activités terroristes. Cependant, il faut aussi soumettre notre force de police nationale à un processus d'examen efficace en guise de contrepoids. Le gouvernement n'a rien fait pour améliorer la surveillance et la transparence des activités de sécurité nationale de la GRC. Il a privilégié les apparences et les communiqués aux mesures concrètes », a dit M. MacKay. M. MacKay a aussi indiqué que le Parti conservateur réclame la nomination d'un commissaire à la sécurité nationale dont le rôle serait de coordonner et de développer les services de renseignements et les organismes de sécurité canadiens. Les conservateurs réclament également la mise sur pied d'un comité parlementaire sur la sécurité nationale, qui serait chargé d'examiner et de superviser les activités des organismes de sécurité canadiens. - -30- Renseignements : Michael Bailey (613) 222-4058 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:42:23 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: cfei mission statement Some small changes..still needs work. About using the methoid and means of self defence.... is it wise to put this in? The membership of the CFEI recognize the fundamental Right of all Canadians, including the right to Life (anit abortionist may go at this part) ,>Self-Determination, and Ownership of Personal Property. It is the >undeniable Right and Duty of each individual to defend their Life, >Freedom, and Property from those who would unethically or unlawfully >deprive them of any of their Rights . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:44:58 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Lanark Landowners Association it seems the above group also want property right. perhaps we would have an ally in them, and in a different discipline not only gun owners, we would then have farmers as well. who more decent than a farmer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:53:02 -0600 (CST) From: "mac mcbride" Subject: Membership fees If we are finally finished with religious arguments and sort of agree that no deity need be mentined then lets move on. I suspect the mission statement is getting close to resolution. The rules are sure to be much argued, but I have enough faith in the interested group to go along with the final decision. I am concerned now about annual membership fees. If we intend to create an umbrella organisation then we must keep membership costs down. It is obvious that one million members at ten dollars a head is a lot better than one hundred memberes at fifty, eighty or even one hundred dollars each. A low membership fee would allow people to join and become supportive and still maintain the sometimes onerous dues required by other organisations. In short, lets not price ourselves out of reach of the casual spur of the moment volunteer. I wouldn't mind paying up now, or as soon as we finally reach that stage. If a fee were quickly decided upon early membership might help with initial start up costs. Mac ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:07:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Shocking Shootings http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050726-001/page.asp Shocking Shootings CITY-TV July 26, 2005 Exactly a week after a Stats Canada report indicated the G.T.A. had the lowest crime rate of any major Canadian area, came an explosion of gunfire and violence that left emergency officials hopping. Seven men were wounded in six separate shootings in just over two hours. It began late Monday night, when shots rang out on Dorney Court in a troubled area near Allen and the 401. A 31-year-old was shot in the groin and hand and staggered to nearby Leila Lane, where he collapsed. He was rushed to hospital, but his wounds aren't believed to be life threatening. Some townhomes were also hit by the projectiles, but no one else was hurt. Cops swarmed onto the scene and found it familiar territory. They'd been there the night before after a spray of bullets disrupted a memorial for two murdered community leaders on the same street. But investigators aren't sure yet if the shootings are connected. Police are seeking as many as eight suspects. The area is known to be plagued by gang violence. Residents have refused to comment on the incident, fearing for their own lives, but admit up to 17 shots were fired in the melee. The evidence of that is all too clear. Bullet holes pockmark several doors and walls, as children's toys sit idly nearby. But that wasn't the only outrage of the night. An hour after that incident, around midnight, sirens screamed out again. This time, ambulances raced to Islington and the Lakeshore in the west end, where a man was shot twice and slightly wounded as he left a local restaurant. He was taken to St. Michael's Hospital for treatment. A few minutes later, at Weston and Finch, two men were shot in an attempted robbery behind a diner. They were taken to Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre, where one victim's wounds are said to be serious. At around the same time, a man was gunned down on Glendower Circuit in the Birchmount and Finch area. His wounds aren't bad, but he's not co-operating with police. By the time the clock struck 1am, crews were back out again, this time to Dundas and Spadina. A man was grazed by a bullet fired by a bicycle cop. The two had been in a struggle in an alleyway downtown when the suspect allegedly grabbed the officer's gun. A shot was discharged but no one was hit. The man was taken into custody. Because he wasn't wounded, the S.I.U. won't be called in to probe what happened. And finally, about 2:15am, a male was shot in the leg near Allen Gardens. Authorities have no motive for that dangerous discharge. While police admit they've rarely seen so much violence in such a short time in so many different places, they're equally amazed that with all the rounds that were fired, no one was killed. And they've got their work cut out for them - there have been no arrests in any of the random shootings. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:45:47 -0600 (CST) From: "Roger & Monique Byrne" Subject: Re: Lanark Landowners Association I'm sorry, I've lost the energy or the passion I've once had. I held a rally here at home 2 yrs ago. I had about 100 people attend from the area. Unfortunatly, alot of the locals never attented. Thay were having a better time at the local bar. Anyway, that aside, I invited the LLA to come and speak. Randy Hillier was the spokesman. With a room filled with hunters wanting to fight for their guns by saying we were a bunch of law abiding citizens, Randy and the LLA stood up and talked for 45 mins about poaching deer on Fathers day. They would need to be put on a leasch before we join these people. They are a very good group with good ideas, but,the deer poaching thing ruined alot of people around here. Just my 2 cents worth. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:56:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Re: Lanark Landowners Association - ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger & Monique Byrne > Anyway, that aside, I invited the LLA to come and > speak. Randy Hillier was the spokesman. With a room filled with hunters > wanting to fight for their guns by saying we were a bunch of law abiding > citizens, Randy and the LLA stood up and talked for 45 mins about poaching > deer on Fathers day. They would need to be put on a leasch before we join > these people. They are a very good group with good ideas, but,the deer > poaching thing ruined alot of people around here. Just my 2 cents worth. I doubt very much that Randy used the word "poaching". What the LLA was doing was exercising their rights as landowners and farmers to protect their crops from ravaging hordes of deer. That is not "poaching". If that distinction eludes you, you don't have a very firm grasp of your rights. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:28:41 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Updated Quick Facts about the Canadian Firearms Program CANADA FIREARMS CENTRE Quick Facts about the Canadian Firearms Program as of June 30, 2005 Released July 26, 2005 http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/media/program_statistics/default_e.asp FIREARMS QUICK FACTS By Garry Breitkreuz, MP - Updated: April 29, 2005 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/firearmsquickfacts.htm FIREARM FOLLIES #2: LIBERAL REPORT FABRICATES FIREARM PROGRAM BENEFITS By Garry Breitkreuz, MP - November 1, 2004 - Official Opposition Critic on Firearms Legislation http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/guns130.htm GUN REGISTRY NOT EFFECTIVE AT TELLING POLICE WHERE THE GUNS ARE By Garry Breitkreuz, MP - February 18, 2005 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/feb-18-2005.htm SEVENTEEN FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE GUN REGISTRY http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article508.htm ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #257 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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