From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #275 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, July 30 2005 Volume 08 : Number 275 In this issue: Re: Hold up Mr. Moderator or Mr. Mills. Re: Toronto is a remarkably safe city Now thats interesting More Police speculation without evidence Re: Shootings in Toronto Re: Women's group raises alarm... Blind Justice... Call to 'armes' for Sgt. Baumann Steady now RE: Call to 'armes' for Sgt. Baumann Regime change: Fool me once Alert for Charter challengers Enemies of the State Gunslingers step back into Wild West ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:06:45 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: Hold up Mr. Moderator or Mr. Mills. Rudy First off you sign out with "Only my opinion". This is the exact opposite of the super egos we must sometimes tolerate on the digest. I have quite a large "block senders list" and for the most part spare myself the headache of manually deleting a lot of characters. Its hard to block out the moderator. The digest is actually very valuable. Just the circulation of events which prompt letters to be sent is extremely valuable. The first rate example of this is when Irwin's office "mistakenly" sent out a letter promising the mini 14 band. They were swamped with letters and beat a hasty retreat. The crime stuff is a pain but like everything else one needs to be selective. Usually a considered comment on any given story is the clue to have a closer look. Many eyes are better few. People leave because they are frustrated. Just because someone may not be able to well articulate their viewpoint shouldn't leave them open for a brow beating. There is a time to send a topic off to chat, when it isn't met the problems begin. Or as I do, I take it private email and sort it out. Usually works but pissing contest are a waste of my time and I expect that holds true for everyone else. Regards Paul C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:07:53 -0600 (CST) From: DavidM Subject: Re: Toronto is a remarkably safe city > Toronto is a remarkably safe city -- for those tucked into > middle-class communities. But for those who are black, and poor, and > live in or near public housing, it can be a violent place. The > statistics make that clear. Rosemary Gartner, a University of Toronto > criminologist, has produced data showing that blacks in Toronto are > nearly five times as likely as non-blacks to be homicide victims. The > rate among blacks is 10.1 per 100,000 people -- higher than the > overall homicide rate in New York or Washington, and nearly on a par > with Detroit. Here's an interesting article by Robert Kaplan on "The Coming Anarchy." The article is more than ten years old but the intervening decade has only shown his contention to be accurate. http://dieoff.org/page67.htm David. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:08:30 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Now thats interesting > Of course, if *you* were to walk down the street with a balaclava on, you'd > be stopped toute de suite and asked why... Now there is a project. it could be done as a survey to see how long it would take for the Police to arrive and demand you identify yourself as you walk along the sidewalk with your Clava on. let me see.. it is not a crime to wear such a thing while walking..it is done in winter all the time, summer might get hot, but it does not break any laws. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:09:47 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: More Police speculation without evidence The Toronto Sun July 28, 2005 WEAPONS STOLEN from a Port Hope home last month could have been the trigger for the recent flurry of gun violence in the GTA, police fear. COULD HAVE BEEN THE TRIGGER, DOES THAT MEAN MAYBE IT WAS OR WASNT. SPECULATION SEEMS TO BE A BIG PART OF THE POLICE FUNCTION. HOW ABOUT FACTS BOYO At least 46 handguns, three long guns, ammunition and hunting knives were stolen from the home of an avid gun collector in June. With the number of recent shootings in the Toronto area, Det.-Const. Mike Powell with Port Hope police said the stolen guns may have played a part in those crimes. DET CST MIKE POWELL SAYS THE WEAPONS MAY HAVE PLAYED A PART...BUT HE DONT KNOW. IF YOU DONT KNOW, MAKING IT SOUND LIKE YOU DO KNOW ORMIN THIS CASE TRYING TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE YOU KNOW IS AGAIN SPECULATION AND LOSES THE POLICE CREDIBILITY. OF COURSE MOST OF THE MASSES IN TORONTO DONT CARE "We have such a big theft of guns ... and now there is a great influx of shootings -- possibly one of the guns could have been used," Powell said. MAY HAVE, POSSIBLY, COULD HAVE. THIS IS A CLASSIC VILLAGE IDIOT SCENARIO WHERE THEY DONT LET FACTS GET IN THE WAY OF GOOD MEDIA STORIES. WELL DET CST POWELL DID THE GUNS PLAY A PART OR NOT...WERE THEY USED OR NOT. HOW ABOUT SOME TRUTH INSTEAD OF SPECULATION Police in the city located about 100 km east of Toronto worked with colleagues in Niagara Region, Hamilton and the OPP's weapons enforcement unit to track the stolen items, resulting in three arrests yesterday and Tuesday. Cops seized knives and some of the ammunition. WOW THEY GOT A KNIFE BACK GIVEN THEY GOT A KNIFE BACK, CLEARLY THIS SHOWS ALL CANADIANS THAT THE GUN REGISTRY MORE SO THE HANDGUN REGISTRY HAS FAILED AGAIN, AS IT WAS SUPOSED TO HELP POLICE RECOVER STOLEN GUNS AND RETURN IT TO THEIR OWNERS. OK SO WHERE ARE THEY.??? "There is a good chance the guns could be distributed in the Toronto, Niagara or Hamilton area," Powell said. Most of the weapons have already fallen into the wrong hands and police believe there is a slim chance of getting them back, he said. They believe the guns were sold in the Niagara Region for cash. IF THE POLICE KNOW THESE WEAPONS HAVE ALREADY FALLEN INTO THE WRONG HANDS, THEN THEY MUST ALSO KNOW WHO THESE WRONG HANDS ARE...WHY HAVENT THEY ARERSTED THESE WRONG HANDS...OR IS THIS MORE WINDOW DRESSING TO MAKE IT LOOK AS IF THEY ARE MAKING PROGRESS Each of the nearly 30 semi-automatic stolen handguns could go for up to $2,500 on the streets of Toronto, Powell said. THEY COULD GO FOR LESS TO MORE SPECULATION WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE AND EVIDENCE Dave Crothers, 28, and Cameron McLean, 25, both of St. Catharines, and Darcy Kelliher, 37, of Thorold, face charges. - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:13:23 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Shootings in Toronto - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bloom" To: Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: Shootings in Toronto > best intestest of big > government advocates that most people, except their elitist friends be > uneducated and poor, the poorer and less educated you are, the more > apt > you are to vote for leftists, so it would make sense that it would the > policy of leftists to keep people uneducated and poor, it is in the > best > interest. When are people going to figure this out? > > Ron Bloom > AAS Crj, BS Ed. > Niagara Falls Well seems youhave done quite well at it ? and I congratulate you for your perspective.? However if the poor masses are ?,as you say poor and uneducated nothing will change until we educate them and train them for jobs above and beyond the Mc Barfups. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:13:58 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Women's group raises alarm... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda FreefallCrusader" > murder or multiple murder, etc.). > > If you come up with and 'promote' these things, you would be surprised > how many people would get on side, but also, EVERY party will seek to > come up with their OWN version of what is needed. > > JMO > Linda Sounds like a plan Linda ? How do we get started ? Im not conversed in these things myself ? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:13:08 -0600 (CST) From: Linda FreefallCrusader Subject: Blind Justice... This is a good article.... Gun owners everywhere should see the brilliance in this. Firearms owners should adopt 'Lady Justice' as their mascot..., remind people we advocate pretty much everything she stands for.... - -- personifies the basic elements of justice in a free and democratic society. - -- balance scale, signifying the importance of fairness and equality for all before the law. - -- sword, a not-so-subtle reminder of society's power to compel compliance with its laws, by force if necessay. - -- blindfold, to signify that Lady Justice must remain blind to outside influences. - -- (and let's not forget) legendary warrior in the never-ending battle between good and evil. Is all the above present in the Firearms Act? If not, why not? Linda P.S. I truly wish the courts would open up and allow camera's even more. Sheeple might get a taste of the real world, and actually take action in places it's really needed instead of championing the wrong things (wrong things like guns instead of violence). If more people, women in particular knew the number of murders and assaults (and 'methods' which are disclosed in court), knew the inappropriate sentencing and bargaining, and other details that come out in courts, they would WANT to be "armed", and b etter prepared for self-defence. ====== Blind justice: The best way to open the eyes of the public to what is happening in our courtrooms is to allow cameras in Scott Taylor Special to the Sun July 29, 2005 Brandishing her mighty sword in one hand, she's a legendary warrior in the never-ending battle between good and evil. No, I'm not describing Xena Warrior Princess or even U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. I'm referring to Lady Justice, the creation of an unkown Greek or Roman sculptor, and a statue that has come to personify the basic elements of justice in a free and democratic society. In her other hand Lady Justice holds aloft a balance scale, signifying the importance of fairness and equality for all before the law. And just in case anyone should decide to challenge these ideals, Lady Justice wields her sword, a not-so-subtle reminder of society's power to compel compliance with its laws, by force if necessary. But if you look closely at the statue of Lady Justice, versions of which adorn many courthouses, including the Vancouver Courthouse, and decorate many lawyers' offices including my own (although on a much smaller scale), you'll also notice that Lady Justice wears a blindfold. The blindfold, apparently added during the Middle Ages, a period notorious for artistic cover-ups, is supposedly intended to signify that Lady Justice must remain blind to outside influences. But, does this also mean the public should remain blind to what is happening in its own courtrooms? I don't think so. I believe the best way to open the eyes of the public to what is happening in our courtrooms is to allow the cameras in. I'm not advocating cries of "lights, action and camera" in all courtrooms because there are obviously trials involving parents and children where cameras would not be appropriate. But I do believe that the use of cameras in selected criminal trials is appropriate. One such criminal trial that will soon begin, and which holds profound interest and importance for both the public and victims' families alike, is the Robert Pickton murder trial. Why not allow the public at large, rather than just those able to attend a crowded courtroom, the opportunity to view these proceedings via a camera? Regardless of the type of trial, in a free, just and democratic society, courts are vital public institutions. What better way to encourage public confidence in such an institution or to foster accountability of its public officials than by guaranteeing public transparency? But what about the issue of the protection of the privacy of those witnesses, and others, whose identities will be broadcast for all to watch? This is a common concern mentioned by those opposing cameras. This is an important issue, but the public's right to know should trump an individual's right to privacy, with certain exceptions. In the event that the court deems it necessary to order a ban on publication to protect identities, or for other reasons, as has been ordered in several recent cases, then t he same ban could apply to the use of cameras in the courtroom. What is the position of the provincial government on cameras in the courtroom? A number of years ago, I approached our new attorney-general, Wally Oppal, when he was a sitting Supreme Court Justice. I asked about the possibility of introducing cameras into his courtroom to film a criminal trial where he would be the presiding judge. We both agreed that this trial could potentially determine some important precedents involving the legal extent of police powers and the admissibility of evidence. As I recall, Oppal gave his enthusiastic blessing to the project, subject to working out some minor details, and I proceeded with my preparations. Unfortunately, I subsequently received written notice that the project had been quashed. I don't remember who axed the project, whether it was a senior government bureaucrat or a senior member of the judiciary, but I clearly remember my frustration and disappointment. I recently spoke about cameras again with Attorney-General Oppal. He said that his "position had not changed" and added that "the public has a skewed understanding of what happens in a courtroom because of what happens from U.S. television," which he acknowledged is "removed from reality." He also mentioned that "we should do more to educate the public," but then said that it was not up to him as the province's chief law enforcement official to decide whether cameras should be used. Rather, he said it was up to individual judges to decide for themselves if they believed cameras would be "in the best interests." Simply put, the attorney-general believes that "openness in a courtroom can be satisfied" by means other than having cameras in the courtroom. I respectfully disagree. I believe the best way to educate the public and address any "skewed understanding" of the justice system is for the attorney-general's office to take a pro-active, rather than a "let's wait and see" (more accurately a "let's wait and not see") approach on the issue of cameras in the courtroom. I should have reminded Oppal of that old legal maxim which he, no doubt, knows well, "Justice must not only be done, but it must also be seen to be done." For true justice and understanding to flourish, it's time, Mr. Attorney-General, that you removed your blindfold. Scott Taylor is a lawyer and legal analyst. info@underappeal.com (The Vancouver Sun 2005) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:36:43 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Call to 'armes' for Sgt. Baumann An 'ode' to Wally? Considering the 'God' debate . . an old ditty comes to mind, "What a friend we have in Wally." Will the real Sgt. Baumann please stand up? Careful what you wish for. . What did former CFO Baumann do for activist Kingsley Beattie? He was a party to forcing Kingsley through court cases over the unauthorized changing of application forms. What did he do for Matt McBain? He was a party to forcing Matt through a lower court case plus an appeal over the CFO's refusal to obey the law in the first instance and followed by the first court's decision directing the CFO to register McBain's firearm. What did Baumann contribute to the alternate certification of gun owners in Ontario? He was a party to failing 89% of the alt cert applicants, the highest ratio in Canada. I heard dick from Baumann about my proposal for a scientifically based Prior Learning Assessment method of processing alt cert applicants - instead Ontarians got the 'funny' (and invalid) CFO's test with contributions from the FSES. And did the Sarge have his head in the sand when the CFO's Staff chose to ignore instructions from the Solicitor General of Ontario about a well publicized alt cert case? We're told that Baumann formed the F.S. Education Service which certainly assured that all CFSC personnel in Ontario were under the tight reign of the CFO's Office. In respect to the above, the FSES refused to acknowledge the availability of alt cert - which assured a steady but unnecessary business in CFSC tests and courses for experienced gun owners seeking to obtain PALs. (Not the simple grandfathering provided by Rock via the FA - and largely negated by Grit busting Mike Harris and Ralph Klein). Sounds like more conflict of interest. The Sgt. also participated in a recent scam in which numerous ranges were threatened with being closed by applying federal Range Regs which were not yet in existence. This not only caused great upset within the Clubs who had to spend considerable resources to remain operational, but the means to meet the CFO's standards via sound and bullet attenuation berms constructed of industrial waste has caused further undue upset and stress in the Club's communities. If groundwater contamination results this will truly become a 'living legacy'. Seems to me that a 'mover and shaker' in the CFO's office could do better than all this for the RFC. (Have you any idea what the salary plus perks are for an OPP Sgt. these days)? I read that the Sgt. "Worked hand in hand with the Ontario Handgun Association in the development of the Wilderness Handgun Safety Course and the new Club Level Handgun Safety Course." Sounds to me like a potential conflict of interest for all parties involved unless said courses were tuition-free since the course was a pre-cursor to obtaining a Wilderness Carry Permit or ATT that are issued by the CFO. Does this kind of activity qualify as 'friendship'. I say let the chap go quietly to ride in a cruiser and do some 'real' police work in his remaining pre-retirement days. The folks on the nearby (to the CFO's Office) Rama Indian Reserve would surely welcome such a fine fellow. As Mike Ackermann indicated, we have no idea what his personal career goals may be. I have great faith in Commish Gwen Bonifice and the OPP's capacity to best utilize its officers' skills. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:38:28 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Steady now I offered with an attempt a humour: >>> And as I have previously reported, the Ontario guv'mint will >>> issue Permits for removal of excess wildlife. The farmer doesn't >>> even have to do the dirty work and would not have to dig up the >>> ole musket buried in the tater patch. > > What a laugh, coming from you,of all people, Lee! > > If you had been following along a little more closely you would have > known that, yeah, the OntGov *will* issue "permits" but, they *don't* > - at least, not until it's too late, if at all. When faced with > civil disobedience, they hurriedly issued *some* permits, then > revoked them. Then they re-issued *some* permits, but put such heavy > restrictions on them that they were virtually useless Nothing I've read indicates farmers have been deprived of depredation permits. I regularly chat with a local LLA member and frequent tractor protester and he has not spoken of any such problem. If you have a reliable source for info that the guvmint has not honoured its commitment to issue permits, please advise. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:01:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: RE: Call to 'armes' for Sgt. Baumann This was just posted to the Canadian Gun nutz Bulletin Board: "Our fears have now become reality. It was a confirmed to me today that infact Wally in no longer in the CFO's office and has not been as of last Firday. The People know nothing about what is going on, they have not found out were he is going and they said this came as a surprise to them. I was also told that the CFO's office has recieved "A LOT" of support mail, but it will not do any good, this is a done deal. I am very curious what is going to happen next. I was also told that the Feds are not really interested in taking Ontario over as there is far to much to deal with from this province due to the high number of gun owners and clubs. Well, lets wait and see. " ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:32:03 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Regime change: Len said: > I ask all of you to quit the distracting quibbling and focus on C-68. > > Will anyone who lives in Ontario spend the time to contact MP's who > would be willing to bring down C-68? In regular contact with several whose 'mission' has been to do so - but there aren't enough of them. The only 'quick' answer is regime change and unless CPC support starts to increase that probability diminishes. > Perhaps this might qualify as actually doing something? Right on! Rick mentioned: > There is all the related issues about east versus west, the political > reality of Ontario and Quebec, etc. But the bottom line is that we get > the governance we have through the support of the majority. And its the vote from the 106 seats in Ontario, especially in the GTA, that need cultivation. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:33:27 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Fool me once Keith said: > We need to educate the majority & motivate them to vote (but not > just to continue to vote Liberal because they somehow feel the > devil they know is better) in order to take the wind out of the > sails of the vocal minority. Unfortunately, every time the RFC gains some ground and the Conservatives start to smell a bit better to many of the electorate - they learn how that great bastion on the Right contributed mightily to leave us with a situation where Ontario is now faced with significant hydro electric power deficits, the need for a $4 Bil investment for repairs to Ontario schools plus $34 Bil on water treatment systems across the province. (Half of Ontarians castigate the PCs for the promises the former Harris Tories kept, while the other half still have a hate-on for the promises Harris didn't keep). And then while swimming in $23 Bil resource dollars which eliminated its deficit, after more tax slashing and claims of being the only debt-free province, Klein announces Albertans may need to borrow $7 Bil to repair the provinces infrastructure. Add to this mix, the CPC making more policy changes than even Ontario's McFiberals, trying to find the key to the heart of the electorate . . [Have a talk with Bill Davis, Stephen]. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:37:14 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Alert for Charter challengers I expect many saw today's TorStar. > Court backs off on copied music > The Supreme Court of Canada refused yesterday to hear an appeal that > was expected to clarify whether copying songs to digital music > players, such as Apple Computer's popular iPod, can under certain > circumstances expose consumers to copyright infringement lawsuits. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:54:47 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Enemies of the State On 2005 Jul 29, at 1:30 PM, M.J. Ackermann, MD wrote: > Anne MacLellan once said, "I know what is right for Canada and > those who disagree must be enemies of the State". Citation, please. Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:55:04 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Gunslingers step back into Wild West PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal DATE: 2005.07.30 EDITION: Final SECTION: CityPlus PAGE: B3 BYLINE: Mike Sadava SOURCE: The Edmonton Journal DATELINE: CAMROSE ILLUSTRATION: Photo: Kelly Taylor, The Journal / Bob DeAngelis, a.k.a."Lefty" of Kamloops, B.C., warms up for the Canadian Championship of Cowboy Action Shooting this weekend at a farm near Camrose that has been made to look like a western outpost in the 1800s.; Photo: Kelly Taylor, The Journal / Marg Fair, also known as Goldie Stone, of Langley, B.C., credits watching Bonanza as a kid as part of the reason she enjoys cowboy shooting competitions. - --------------------------------------------------------------- Gunslingers step back into Wild West: 'Shootists' fire off round after round until their ears ring and hearts sing - --------------------------------------------------------------- CAMROSE - The hats might be fancier at the Big Valley Jamboree, but the real cowpokes are hanging out down the road with the Alberta Frontier Shootists. And sure as shootin' they're havin' just as much of a bang-up time, pardner. The shootists are holding their 8th annual Canadian Championship of Cowboy Action Shooting, which has attracted 125 folks from as far away as Ontario who like dressing up in old cowboy gear and firing antique firearms and replicas of the guns that ruled the West in the late 1800s. It's happening this weekend down at a mixed-grain farm near Kelsey, close to Camrose. A couple of hectares have been converted into a permanent, government-approved shooting range, complete with a western town built by the club and 1,350 huge bales of flax straw hauled in to protect the surrounding area from stray bullets. This is one of the highest-calibre competitions of its kind and some of these people can fire off two six-guns at once in quick succession and not miss a target. But talk to varmints like the Kelsey Kid, the owner of the land; B. Slim, whose paunch indicates the name is a tad ironic; or Too Dusty, who figures he has fired off at least 200,000 rounds of live ammo in his time, and you find out there's a whole lot more to this shootin' match than the shootin'. "Most people in their 40s and 50s grew up with the Wild West," said Too Dusty. "Most people wouldn't admit it, but the most fun they had in their life was during their childhood. This is a weekend of being a kid again." Too Dusty works as a truck driver in the oilpatch, and his wife figures he would have been driving a stagecoach if he had been born 100 years earlier. So they have donned their leather holsters, boots, cowboy shirts, kerchiefs and cowboy hats, grabbed their Colt .45s, Ruger .38 Specials and rifles, and headed to Camrose for a weekend at this ersatz western outpost. After firearms are safely stowed away for the night, they have a promenade, with the men in frock coats and women wearing fancy dresses of the era. They spend the night sitting around the campfire, drinking beer and swapping lies. "They haven't invented a time machine yet, but they've come damned close here," says Bat Masterson, who had four original antique Winchester rifles from the 1890s and early 1900s. Most of them prefer to use their pseudonyms because they don't like to publicize that they own weapons. A few club members have had their homes broken into while they were at competitions, and they pride themselves as being more aware than anyone about the dangers of weapons getting into the wrong hands. As much as the Old West was a time when men were men, some of these shooters are women. Goldie Stone, whose real name is Marg Fair, has come all the way from Langley, B.C., and developed quite an eye over the past seven or eight years. She got hooked on the cowboy shooting after attending a regular competition, and seeing some of the cowboys having too much fun. "I grew up in an era when it was a treat to stay up and watch Bonanza on Sunday night," Stone said. "I guess that really affected me." Some people react a little when she tells them of her passion, but she says it's the most relaxing thing you can do. "When you're holding a gun, your whole focus is on the target. You can't think about work. You can't worry about anything else." She's an executive assistant with a company that makes wine labels, so this is a 180-degree shift from her day job. She likes the fact that youngsters are also welcome to take up shooting, as they learn about firearms safety and handling them takes the mystique out of guns. Safety is the priority for all the shootists. During competitions there are people who load the guns and others who make sure there is no ammunition left after someone has shot. And no one is allowed to shoot if there is booze on his or her breath. In fact, as long as the red flag flies to indicate that shooting is in progress, no alcohol is allowed in the area. It's not surprising that there isn't a whole lot of love for the national gun registry and Bill C-68 among the shootists. B. Slim said he has no trouble with registration of handguns, but having to do all that paperwork for hunting rifles and shotguns is over the line. Kelsey Kid adds that an MRI could have been installed in every Canadian hospital with the hundreds of millions spent on the registry. Kevin Sorenson, the Tory MP for Camrose whose shooting is limited to gopher control on the farm, was impressed with the shootists when he visited the site on Friday. The competition, with its sense of community and safety, is a good case against Bill C-68, Sorenson said. msadava@thejournal.canwest.com ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #275 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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