From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #334 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, August 15 2005 Volume 08 : Number 334 In this issue: Toronto's nightmare of shootings continues Shooting victim died in brother's arms Randomness of shooting alarms police 33 killed with guns since start of year GUNS SEIZED Letter: Deny bail to persons found carrying guns Smuggled guns blamed for rise in violence: Two T.O. men arrested after guns seized at border JANE GUN BATTLE COLUMN: Forget about slapping a made-in-the-USA label on our gun ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:39:55 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Toronto's nightmare of shootings continues PUBLICATION: The Windsor Star DATE: 2005.08.15 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: C8 SOURCE: CanWest News Service DATELINE: TORONTO WORD COUNT: 258 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Toronto's nightmare of shootings continues - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TORONTO -- Two separate shootings over the weekend in Toronto left two teenaged boys injured, a 28-year-old man dead and officials blaming the rise in violence on cheap guns that are being smuggled into Canada from the United States. On Saturday at about 10:15 p.m., Toronto police responded to the fatal shooting of Sarfaraz Shah, 28. Police say Shah, a husband and father of a six-week-old baby, was part of a group that was accosted by two black males, who fired one shot. They do not believe the murder was gang-related. It was Toronto's 29th shooting death this year, two more than all the gun homicides last year. About a half-hour later, police responded to another shooting in which two boys, aged 14 and 16, were hit but suffered non-life-threatening wounds. Toronto has seen 23 shootings in the past three weeks and 11 homicides, nine of them gun-related. "Wanton and reckless violence, such as this, is intolerable in a city as great as ours," said Toronto Mayor David Miller, in a statement. "The Toronto Police Service has my full support in their efforts to catch the people responsible in both cases." Both Miller and Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty blame the shootings in part on guns that are cheap and easy to buy in the United States, and then smuggled into Canada, claims made stronger by an arrest at the border Saturday. Border officers at the Peace Bridge in Fort Erie, the country's second-busiest border crossing, stopped two men. One had a loaded .380 semi-automatic pistol duct-taped to his body under his clothes. The other man had a loaded .9mm pistol and a loaded .380 pistol duct-taped to his body. They also had 200 rounds of ammunition in bags, including .9mm bullets, .380 bullets, and .357 bullets, a Niagara Regional Police spokesman said. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:40:15 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Shooting victim died in brother's arms PUBLICATION: The Toronto Star DATE: 2005.08.15 EDITION: MET SECTION: News PAGE: A1 BYLINE: Naomi Carniol SOURCE: Toronto Star ILLUSTRATION: Tannis Toohey toronto star Shahzad Shah holds a family photoyesterday of his cousin Sarfraz Shah, 28, who was fatally shot Saturday night while talking with relatives in an Etobicoke park. He is flanked by Zahid Shah, left, and Assad Shah, right, also first cousins of the victim. Family photo shows Sarfraz Shah on his honeymoon in Pakistan a year and a half ago. Shah, born in Pakistan, moved to Canada with his family in the late 1980s. He worked as an assistant supervisor at a plastics plant where he had worked since he was 17. Family photo shows Sarfraz Shah on his honeymoon in Pakistan a year and a half ago. Shah, born in Pakistan, moved to Canada with his family in the late 1980s. He worked as an assistant supervisor at a plastics plant where he had worked since he was 17. WORD COUNT: 505 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 'He was right beside me,' cousin mourns; Shooting victim died in brother's arms Victim had a wife and 6-week-old daughter Police search for the motive in park slaying - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sarfraz Shah died in his brother's arms. Four of his first cousins watched, helpless. Shah, 28, leaves behind his 22-year-old wife Fayzia Sarfraz and his 6-week-old daughter Kinza Batool. Toronto police said the six men were socializing in Raymore Park, near Scarlett Rd. and Lawrence Ave. W. about 10 p.m. Saturday. Two men they didn't know confronted them. One shot Shah in the neck. Just before that, cousins Zahid Shah and Assad Shah had started to leave the park. Then they thought they heard firecrackers, the two cousins said. If they had known it was gunfire, they wouldn't have turned to leave. "He was right beside me," they repeated yesterday. Their eyes were moist with tears. When ambulance workers arrived, they found Shah was dead, police said. Police are looking for the two men who confronted the group. "We do not yet know what, if anything, took place between the two groups," said homicide Det. Randy Carter. Police have searched the park and canvassed the Scarlettwood area behind the park. "The community has been very co-operative," Carter told a news conference yesterday. That's in part because of the recent shootings in the city, he said. "I think people are starting to take the step and speak to the police." Relatives described Shah as a loving father, humble and hard-working. Shah, who married a year and a half ago, was "proud he had his own family," said first cousin Shahzad Shah. His father died when he was a child. "He never had a father's love and he wanted to give that to his child," Shahzad Shah said. He was an assistant supervisor at Roytec Vinyl, a plastics company. He trained other employees and had worked there since he was 17. "There are 400 people who work in the company and everybody likes him," Shah's brother-in-law, Syed Rizwan, said. Rizwan works as a quality-control inspector there. Shah was born in Pakistan. In the late 1980s, when Shah was about 11, he moved to Canada with his mother, sister and brother, his cousins said. They declined to give their names. In Toronto, he developed close friendships with many of his first cousins. As adults, the friendships continued. "We are a very close family. It's something we bragged to other people about," the victim's first cousin, Shahzad Shah, said. The relatives often played cricket together. "It was his favourite sport," Shahzad said. Sarfraz Shah's death doesn't feel real and it won't until they play a game of cricket and he's not there, Shahzad said. "We just hang out with each other and stay out of trouble. I guess trouble finds you no matter where you go," he said. Carter said yesterday, "I have no reason right now to think (Shah) was involved in anything that would have brought this on." Neither Shah nor anyone he was with in the park was known to police, Carter said. Though Shah became a father just a month and a half ago, he was already thinking about his daughter's future. "He was already ... planning what schools she'd go to," Rizwan, his brother-in-law, said. Shah's wife is in shock, Shahzad said. "She's crying a lot." More than 60 of the victim's relatives gathered yesterday at the couple's Islington Ave. apartment to comfort her. Her family lives in Pakistan, cousins said. The victim's brother, sister and mother were also there. His mother has not spoken since learning of her son's death. "She's totally quiet," Shahzad said. The family plans to hold a funeral on Wednesday if police release the body in time. Some people who live near the park where Shah died were surprised by the violence. "Little kids play in the park," Maria Lopes said. Her back deck faces the park, but trees block the view to the baseball diamond roped off with police tape. More than 15 officers in raincoats combed the grass near the baseball diamond yesterday. Lopes said the neighbourhood is friendly. "Everyone knows each other on the street." Roy Murray just moved to a house a week ago that looks over the park. He's been coming to the park for 10 years to walk his dog. The park "is a very safe place," he said. "It's not a drug hangout. People walk their dogs. People play with their kids on the swing set." Murray said he was sad to learn about a death in the park, but he wasn't scared. "Violence is what happens in a big city. You have to put that in perspective." With files from Dana Brown, Henry Stancu and Tannis Toohey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:40:36 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Randomness of shooting alarms police PUBLICATION: The Hamilton Spectator DATE: 2005.08.15 EDITION: Final SECTION: Local PAGE: A7 BYLINE: Jacquie De Almeida SOURCE: The Hamilton Spectator ILLUSTRATION: Photo: Gary Yokoyama, the Hamilton Spectator / WORD COUNT: 246 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Randomness of shooting alarms police - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hamilton police found at least five bullet casings in the parking lot of an east end apartment complex after an unknown suspect shot at three cars, a tree and a flower pot on the weekend. The shooting happened in a Violet Drive parking lot around 3:30 a.m. Saturday. There were no witnesses, although at least two people later told police they heard shots coming from the parking lot. No one called police to report the incident when it happened, but police say the early morning hour may be a factor in that and the rumble of air- conditioners could have muffled the sound of the shots. The delay in reporting the incident makes catching the suspect or suspects more difficult. Hamilton police Staff Sergeant Jamie Anderson said the randomness of the shooting is disturbing. "There seems to be no method to his intended targets," he said. "Police are concerned any time there's a gun that isn't supposed to be in the hands of the person who has it, especially with this type of activity." The shots were fired from a handgun, although police are not releasing specifics about the calibre of the bullet casings. There is no connection between any of the people whose cars were shot at, Anderson added. Police were alerted to the incident the next morning when the owner of one of the cars noticed the damage. The bullet passed through the right side of the car and through the driver's seat. Investigators say the shooting appears to be random, although they haven't ruled out the possibility that the shots were fired at a car or person who then fled the scene. Anderson said there was no blood at the scene and at this time, there appear to be no victims. The police canvassed the area and have notified hospitals, the HSR and cab companies to be on the lookout for possible gunshot victims. Anyone with information on the Violet Drive shooting is asked to call police at 905-546-2929 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS. jdealmeida@thespec.com 905-526-3214 One of the cars damaged in a Violet Drive parking lot on Saturday. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:40:43 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: 33 killed with guns since start of year PUBLICATION: The Toronto Star DATE: 2005.08.14 EDITION: MET SECTION: News PAGE: A6 BYLINE: Nelia Raposo and Scott Roberts SOURCE: Toronto Star WORD COUNT: 116 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ West-end shooting claims life of man; 33 killed with guns since start of year - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ One man is dead after a shooting in Toronto's west end last night. The victim was shot in the neck and died at the scene, police say. The death brings to 33 the number of people who have been killed with guns in Toronto this year. The call came at about 10 30 p.m. in the Scarlett Rd. and Lawrence Ave. W. area. There are unconfirmed reports that the victim was found in Scarlett Mills Park near Scarlettwood Court. "The shootings are out of hand. It's intolerable," Det. Norm Proctor said. "It's a real problem in this area." Police with machine guns and sniffer dogs were searching for two gunmen between rows of townhouses and in residents' backyards, and were stopping people from entering the area. Shortly after the fatal shooting, two boys, 13 and 14, were both shot in the leg near Neilson Rd. and Sheppard Ave. E. Both are in hospital in stable condition. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:40:56 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: GUNS SEIZED PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2005.08.15 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 5 COLUMN: SUN Briefs WORD COUNT: 63 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GUNS SEIZED - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TWO HANDGUNS, ammunition and crack were seized by Toronto Police after they arrested a man Friday for allegedly dealing crack worth about $23,000 in the Parliament and Dundas Sts. area. A search of a home found a .45-calibre gun, a .380-calibre pistol, ammo and more crack. Nasradine Warfa, 31, faces charges. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:41:04 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Letter: Deny bail to persons found carrying guns PUBLICATION: The Toronto Star DATE: 2005.08.14 EDITION: ONT SECTION: Editorial PAGE: A16 WORD COUNT: 69 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Deny bail to persons found carrying guns - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ontario promises $37M to help hire 1,000 officers - Aug. 12. Perhaps a good "first response" from the Ontario government would be to instruct the lower courts not to give bail to persons found carrying guns. Although this might lead to a Charter challenge, it would be worth it, as citizens would have a forum to say who should be protected and by what. Nicholas Brooks, Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:41:19 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Smuggled guns blamed for rise in violence: PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2005.08.15 EDITION: EARLY SECTION: News PAGE: A4 BYLINE: Peter Kuitenbrouwer SOURCE: National Post DATELINE: TORONTO WORD COUNT: 371 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Smuggled guns blamed for rise in violence: One man dies, two teens hurt as shootings escalate in Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TORONTO - Two separate shootings over the weekend in Toronto have left two teenaged boys injured, a 28-year-old man dead and officials blaming the rise in violence on cheap guns that are being smuggled into Canada from the United States. On Saturday around 10:15 p.m., Toronto police responded to the fatal shooting of Sarfaraz Shah, 28. Police say Mr. Shah, a husband and the father of a six-week-old baby, was part of a group that was accosted by two black males, who fired one shot. Police do not believe the killing was gang-related. It was Toronto's 29th shooting death this year, two more than all the gun homicides last year. About a half-hour later, police responded to another shooting in which two boys, aged 14 and 16, were wounded. One was shot in the knee, the other in the lower leg. Both went to hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. Toronto has seen 23 shootings in the past three weeks and 11 homicides, nine of them gun-related. "Wanton and reckless violence, such as this, is intolerable in a city as great as ours," said Toronto Mayor David Miller, in a statement. Mr. Miller and Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty blame the shootings in part on guns that are cheap and easy to buy in the United States, and then smuggled into Canada, claims made stronger by an arrest at the border early Saturday. At 5:40 a.m., officers of the Canadian Border Services Agency at the Peace Bridge in Fort Erie, the country's second-busiest border crossing, stopped two men driving a Buick that later turned out to have been rented in Woodbridge, Ont. Officers searched the two men and discovered one had a loaded .380 semi-automatic pistol duct-taped to his body under his clothes. The other had a loaded .9mm pistol and a loaded .380 pistol duct-taped to his body. Between them, the two men also had 200 rounds of ammunition in bags, including .9mm bullets, .380 bullets, and .357 bullets, according to Det.-Sgt. Shawn Clarkson of the Niagara Regional Police. "I have no doubt that those guns were destined for the city of Toronto," Det.-Sgt. Clarkson said. "These are not high-end guns. 380s are a common gun." Police arrested Ali Dirie, 22, of Markham, and Yasin Mohamed, 22, of Toronto. Mr. Dirie is charged with two counts of possession of weapons for the purpose of trafficking and two counts of possession of ammunition for the purposes of trafficking. Mr. Mohamed is charged with one of each count. The men face several other related charges. They will remain in police custody until a bail hearing tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:41:34 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Two T.O. men arrested after guns seized at border PUBLICATION: The Hamilton Spectator DATE: 2005.08.15 EDITION: Final SECTION: Local PAGE: A1 BYLINE: Jacquie De Almeida SOURCE: The Hamilton Spectator DATELINE: FORT ERIE WORD COUNT: 435 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Two T.O. men arrested after guns seized at border - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Two Toronto-area men are facing weapons charges after customs officers arrested the pair for allegedly smuggling guns and ammunition into Canada. Niagara police say the guns were obtained in the U.S. and believe they were headed for re-sale on Toronto streets. The incident comes at a time when Toronto police are waging a war against gun crime after a rash of bloody shootings. Thirty-three people have been gunned down in Toronto so far this year. Niagara police Detective Sergeant Shawn Clarkson said customs officers allegedly found three handguns early Saturday morning -- two .380-calibre and one 9-millimetre -- concealed in the men's clothing. Police also seized ammunition for both models as well as ammunition for a .357-calibre handgun. Clarkson said at this point there is no evidence to suggest the men were part of a gang or have links to terrorist organizations, although intelligence investigators have been notified of the arrests. Niagara police Chief Wendy Southall applauded the actions of customs officers and police. "Border security and the flow of illegal guns into Canada affect us all. This is a good example of how many enforcement agencies working together contribute to the safety of communities beyond any local jurisdiction," Southall said. Clarkson would not discuss specifics but said there was evidence to suggest the guns were going to be sold on the street. He said the guns were small and easily concealable but would not speculate on their use. Clarkson said this is the first time the men have been caught allegedly smuggling weapons into Canada. A 22-year-old Markham man has been charged with two counts each of importing a firearm, possession of firearm for the purpose of trafficking, possession of ammunition for the purpose of trafficking, possession of a loaded firearm and one count each of possession of a firearm in a motor vehicle, possession of a firearm while prohibited, possession of a firearm when unauthorized and possession of ammunition while prohibited. A 23-year-old Toronto man has been charged with importing a firearm, possession of a firearm when unauthorized, possession of a firearm in a motor vehicle, possession of a firearm for the purpose of trafficking, possession of ammunition for the purpose of trafficking and possession of a loaded firearm. Both men are in custody and will appear at a bail hearing tomorrow. The sharp increase in gun violence has frightened a community and left police and politicians frustrated and calling for more to be done to stop the flow of guns across the border. In the last five years, Canadian border agents have seized over 5,400 guns at U.S. crossings. Last week, the new U.S. ambassador to Canada met with provincial and territorial leaders and pledged to step up the fight. jdealmeida@thespec.com 905-526-3214 with files from Hamilton Spectator wire services ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:41:47 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: JANE GUN BATTLE PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2005.08.15 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 5 COLUMN: SUN Briefs WORD COUNT: 71 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ JANE GUN BATTLE - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DRIVE-BY SHOOTERS opened fire on a crowded North York schoolyard last night and people shot back, police said, but it appears no one was hurt. Six to 10 shots were fired in a gun battle at St. Bernard Catholic School at Jane St. and Lawrence Ave. around 5 p.m. yesterday, police said. Police were looking for a black Honda. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:42:05 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: COLUMN: Forget about slapping a made-in-the-USA label on our gun PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: 2005.08.15 PAGE: A13 (ILLUS) BYLINE: ANTHONY DOOB AND ROSEMARY GARTNER SECTION: Comment EDITION: Metro WORD COUNT: 1037 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Aim at crime's cause Forget about slapping a made-in-the-USA label on our gun problem: Gang violence is homegrown, and Ontario nurtured it with poor social policies, say criminologists ANTHONY DOOB and ROSEMARY GARTNER - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Why is Toronto experiencing so many shootings right now? And what can be done? The first question assumes that there is, in fact, an upward trend in gun violence rather than simply an unusually large number of incidents in a concentrated period. It's too early to know whether the events of the past few weeks signal the start of a sustained upswing. In 1991, there were 89 homicides in Toronto, a record high, and concern that we were entering a new, violent era was widespread -- yet Toronto has come nowhere close to that level of lethal violence since. For the sake of argument, however, let's assume incidents of gun violence are beginning a sustained rise. If so, why? Let's consider what's known about the causes of crime, and then look at changes that have occurred in the past 10 years in Ontario's social policies, particularly those that affect children. Very simply, policies put in place during this period had a high likelihood of increasing levels of violence. We don't believe, of course, that increasing crime was the goal. Rather, it seems that our political leaders at the time simply ignored widely accepted evidence about social sources of crime. One of Ontario's most dramatic changes in the mid-1990s was the large cut to welfare payments for families with children. It is well established that cities with low welfare payments (measured as the amount received by each poor family, or the per cent of poor families receiving some form of assistance) have higher rates of violent and property crime, and that children who experience long periods of poverty between the age of 5 and their early teenage years are more likely to commit crime. We also know that communities with higher levels of economic inequality are likely to have high levels of violent crime. Even Japan, a country with a generally low level of violent crime, has found that homicide rates and robberies go up when income inequality, unemployment, and poverty increase. When we move from broad economic policies to policies that affect children directly, we find additional factors that account for a rise in crime. For troubled and troublesome young people, the school can be an oasis in an otherwise difficult life. And attachment to school -- finding something positive and personally rewarding -- can reduce the likelihood that troubled youths will commit violent crimes. Getting young people to see education as a good thing can be a challenge, but we do know a little about making school a positive experience. What matter most for disaffected youths are a school's extracurricular aspects and the particular attention paid by a teacher who takes the time to help a difficult student. But in the 1990s, the Ontario government told teachers that every minute that they spent that was not in front of a classroom was wasted, frivolous time -- never mind the "extras" that made their jobs more rewarding and their students more interested in staying in school. Second, it told schools to deal with troubled and troublesome students through zero tolerance, by suspending and expelling them. Provincial policy dictated that the one institution, the school, that was available to everyone and that could make a difference was stripped of that opportunity, while teachers were told that it was not their role to help troubled children. Fortunately, many school boards, school administrative officers, and teachers didn't listen; they did what they knew to be best. But their resources were limited. As well, Ontario demoted public health to the status of unnecessary frill (remember the Walkerton drinking water disaster?). What does public health have to do with crime? Plenty, it turns out it, especially for the poor and disadvantaged. Something as simple as regular home visits by public-health nurses to poor young mothers, from the early stages of pregnancy until the child's second birthday, not only has important health benefits -- 15 years later, these same children are less likely to be involved in crime. Homelessness, a problem whose roots go back at least 20 years, is another factor. Children who are forced to move from temporary home to temporary home throughout their school lives are considerably more likely to feel no roots in the community and be involved in crime. Yet all these changes in social policy were justified because they gave people like the readers of this newspaper lower taxes. What about the proposed solutions to Toronto's gang/crime problem? No quick fix will reduce it. It will do no good to increase prison sentences, to institute more mandatory minimum sentences, to implement curfews, to sweep the streets clean of disorderly people, to create boot camps. Indeed, looking for solutions to crime within the criminal-justice system is largely counterproductive because it distracts us from effective responses and depletes scarce resources that could be used earlier and more productively. Toronto has been promised new police officers to deal with crime. Adding to police strength, alone, will not solve the problem either, however. With each police officer costing about $75,000 a year, we should be asking what our other choices might be, within police departments or elsewhere. In a coldly statistical way, let's look at what is the best way, per million dollars spent, to achieve a long-term impact on violent crime? For the most part, we already know. It's sometimes referred to as an investment in social programs. These programs are designed to create an educated, healthy, productive society. They also have indirect benefits -- they create peaceful communities. We may have learned in the past 10 years or so how to increase violent crime in our communities. The question is whether we will use what we've learned to reduce it. Anthony N. Doob and Rosemary Gartner are professors of criminology at the Centre of Criminology, University of Toronto. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #334 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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