From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #396 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, September 9 2005 Volume 08 : Number 396 In this issue: Some critics deride its "executive head," Maryantonett Flumian, [BLOG] Democrats set up fake organizations to support gun control New federal gun regulations delayed Judge issues call to action My letter to the Toronto Star Calls for return of spring bear hunt after woman killed [LETTER] Criminals don't obey gun laws Liberals aim to avoid pre-Gomery vote: Sources Gun regulations delayed one year Tories have cash but aren't poll ready New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms as Water Recedes IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE TRUTH, DELETE THIS ALERT IMMEDIATELY! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:47:10 -0600 (CST) From: Dennis@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Young@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Some critics deride its "executive head," Maryantonett Flumian, Some critics deride its "executive head," Maryantonett Flumian, because she headed the famously over-budget gun registry. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050908/AGE NCY09/TPNational/Canada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:52:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: [BLOG] Democrats set up fake organizations to support gun control policies Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca http://johnrlott.tripod.com/2005/08/democrats-set-up-fake-organizations-to. html 8/3/2005 Democrats set up fake organizations to support gun control policies Democratic Leadership Council use PR firm to push more Gun Laws A Washington based PR Firm called DCS - Internet Advocacy Group thats used by a list of who's who in the Democrat party as well as the official PR firm for the Democrat leadership Council (DLC) that Sen. Hillary Clinton is the 'Chair' member as well as reportedly hand pick DCS to do ALL of the DLC PR work. DCS Has register a bogus 'Pro-Gun' sportsmen group in the attempt to make it appear as hunters and trap shooters are in favor of Assault weapon 'bans as well as other anti gun related issues. By creating this made up group called The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA), who will inevitably be used in future Democrat led anti gun campaigns in the near future as so called 'expert' witnesses or a 'sane' voice of sportsmen. just so the anti gun democrats can grandstand for gun control non-issues via their willing accomplishes in the press. I'd imagine the closer we get to the '08' presidential election the more (AHSA) will be in the news. Dick Morris , former Clinton PR man has stated numerously how the Democrats and Sen. Hillary have personally created made up Internet based advocacy groups repeatedly in the past to drum up false public support to site at their press conferences and Senate hearings, just so the Democrats will get their names put out in the news. According to Morris, During the Clinton administration there was a brainstorming group under then first lady Hillary's oversight inside the white house who did this kind of fabricated PR all the time. So who did DCS make as the head of their bogus gun group, well none other than John Rosenthal, Co founder of Stop Handgun Violence (SHV). SHV has supported every anti-second amendment rights bill since the organizations creation.The personal pet anti gun group of the anti-gun Democrats. The following background on all involved was uncovered. [1.] The bogus Pro gun group: The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) is located at: 600 Pennsylvania Ave SE, suite 200, Washington, District of Columbia 20003 As listed on their website and on their domain name registration. Its domain name: http://www.huntersandshooters.com was registered on 25-Apr-05 by RegistrantCS - Internet Advocacy Group, 600 Pennsylvania Ave SE,suite 200,Washington, District of Columbia 20003 As listed on DCS website and on their domain name registration. DCS website is located here: http://dcscongressional.com/ [2.] The Democrat leadership council http://www.dlc.org/ is located at: 600 Pennsylvania Ave SE, suite 400, Washington, District of Columbia 20003 As listed on their website and on their domain name registration. [3.] The PR Firm called DCS- Internet Advocacy Group http://dcscongressional.com/ is located at: 600 Pennsylvania Ave SE, suite 200, Washington, District of Columbia 20003 [4.] So ALL three groups:The Democrat leadership council (DLC) , DCS - Internet Advocacy Group and The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) Are located in the same building and all three groups are pushing to take away your rights via their made up causes for the sake of getting their faces in the news. According to Bernstein Management Corp. the Property Managements website: http://www.bernsteinmgmt.com/ Location: 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, SE Washington, DC, Contact Number: (202) 363-6301 Austin Herndon Please click through on the main link to get the original source for this. posted by John Lott at 3:00 PM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:52:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: New federal gun regulations delayed http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Arti cle_Type1&c=Article&cid=1126131011657&call_pageid=968332188774&col=96835011 6467&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes Sep. 7, 2005. 07:22 PM Thomas Walkom New federal gun regulations delayed FROM CANADIAN PRESS OTTAWA - In what has become a familiar refrain, the Canada Firearms Centre has once again quietly put off several gun regulations that were supposed to take effect this month. Among the measures delayed until next year is a provision to have police forces across Canada register all their weapons - including seized guns - with the federal agency. New rules governing gun shows have been deferred until November 2006, while regulations that would force gun-makers to identify all firearms with internationally recognized markings won't come into force until the end of 2007. The provisions were initially supposed to take effect last January, but were put off to Sept. 1. Now they've been deferred again. A spokesman for Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan said the deferral is both to "ensure compliance and be responsive to the feedback" on the regulations from the public. "We've done similar things like this before and ultimately we've phased things in and done so in a way that makes it user-friendly for people," Alex Swann said Wednesday. Federal, provincial and municipal police forces across Canada were supposed to register their weapons by last Thursday, but were given a last-minute reprieve. "We're talking in the tens of thousands (of officers) and each police force has to have as many guns as officers, and probably more," said Irene Arsenault, a spokeswoman for the firearms centre. "We've been asked to defer that a bit so they'd have time to set everything up." Neither the Canadian Professional Police Association nor the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police was able to say Wednesday whether they had lobbied to have the regulations delayed. With a history of bureaucratic backlogs at the Canada Firearms Centre, the deferral will also be a reprieve for federal officials overseeing the rules. According to the government bulletin posted Aug. 31, the strict new regulations for gun show operators were delayed in part to allow ``for simple and effective processes to be put in place to assess and approve applications." The manufacturers' marking delay, said Arsenault, is an international problem. A year ago on the eve of a federal election, the Liberal government overhauled the much-maligned gun registry in an effort to control costs and streamline its administration. The latest delays indicate there are still many kinks in the system, said Conservative MP Peter MacKay. "It's another example of the ineffective, overly bureaucratic nightmare that is the gun registry," MacKay said from Halifax. "The government continues with this simultaneous face-saving, rear-end-covering exercise of trying to justify a very cumbersome, useless system." MacKay, a former Crown prosecutor, insisted the government backed off because police forces would have ignored the registration demand. "They've got far more important things to do." The registry has become an easy target. The Liberals promised it would cost taxpayers just $2 million when they introduced it in 1995. But the price has skyrocketed past $1 billion and been the subject of scathing criticism from the federal auditor general. Opponents claim tens of thousands of guns remain unregistered, and say the system punishes law-abiding farmers and sport hunters while doing nothing to deter illegal weapons from getting into the hands of criminals. Swann said the Conservatives shouldn't criticize the government for having overly ambitious implementation targets. "Gun control is about public safety, and if we're going to be accused of doing too much on the public safety side, then they should explain that to Canadians. "Gun control has worked in this country and it's good public policy." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:53:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Judge issues call to action http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Arti cle_Type1&c=Article&cid=1126131012923&call_pageid=968350130169&col=96948320 2845 Sep. 8, 2005. 06:39 AM Judge issues call to action Government, business urged to help fight violence McMurtry points to poverty and `lack of hope' VANESSA LU CITY HALL BUREAU CHIEF There's no instant fix for the poverty and violence plaguing some Toronto neighbourhoods, but governments, communities and business leaders must band together if real change is to happen, says Ontario's top judge. "We're making progress, but it may just be a few lives at a time," Chief Justice Roy McMurtry said after meeting with the Toronto Star's editorial board yesterday. "There are no magic buttons to push." McMurtry, who chairs Mayor David Miller's advisory panel on community safety, has been an outspoken voice for young people, arguing they need better opportunities in everything from after-school programs to skills training and jobs. Since 2004, he has chaired the panel that's guiding the city on ways to develop youth programs and curtail violence. "A lot of these problems' root cause is simply poverty, lack of opportunity, lack of hope, lack of self-respect," McMurtry said. "There is obviously a competition for the minds and hearts of many young people with the gang culture." This summer's spike in shootings, many of them in communities rife with poverty, underscores the need for action. "The problems are monumental. They're systemic and many have been ignored by governments for many years," McMurtry said. "To me, it's a disgrace that it's been allowed to grow to the extent it has." He argued for better co-ordination of services; too often, one government department is unaware of what others are doing, much less other levels of government. But he also wants to see a variety of groups involved in finding solutions, including schools, community colleges and universities. His panel, which brings together officials from all three levels of government, also includes youth representatives and the chairs of the city's public and Catholic school boards. In co-operation with community colleges, the panel has helped develop training programs and boosted summer job opportunities for young people in several vulnerable neighbourhoods, including Jane-Finch and Rexdale. That's a start, McMurtry said, but far more is needed, including prodding governments to invest more in these programs. McMurtry acknowledged the fiscal challenges governments face, but he pointed out that the city has had to take on far more than its traditional responsibilities in recent years. That includes maintaining public housing, a task downloaded to the city by the previous Conservative government. Business leaders also need to get more involved in giving young people a chance, he said. "The private sector can provide meaningful job opportunities that will require some forms of training or apprenticeship," McMurtry said. "There has to be that recognition in the private sector, that it goes far beyond a problem of government." On Oct. 3, the mayor will meet with corporate leaders to discuss creating internships geared to youths from vulnerable neighbourhoods. He has repeatedly said that if young people are given job opportunities, they will walk away from gangs. As many as 200 executives from large and medium-sized businesses are expected to attend the session. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:53:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to the Toronto Star Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Judge issues call to action I've got a 'call to action' for Judge McMurtry and his bretheren: start imposing meaningful and punitive sentences for those who commit violent crimes! Don't let them out on bail to re-offend. Don't give them double or triple time for pre-trial custody. Don't give them mandatory release at 2/3rds of their sentences. Keep track of them after they have been released, to make sure that they are complying with their parole conditions. These simple concepts are sorely lacking from his litany of feel-good, group-hug, socialist bag of tricks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:55:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Calls for return of spring bear hunt after woman killed http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/09/08/bear_hunt_20050908.html Calls for return of spring bear hunt after woman killed Last Updated Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:02:57 EDT CBC News Conservation groups have renewed calls for the return of the spring black bear hunt. The move comes after an Ontario woman was killed by a black bear in a provincial park on Tuesday. The Northwestern Ontario Sportsmen's Alliance and the Canadian Outdoor Heritage Alliance said the spring hunt would help manage the number of black bears. Without the hunt, bears no longer fear humans and consider people part of their "wilderness buffet." A spokesperson for Ontario's Ministry of Natural Resources said she doesn't believe a spring bear hunt would have made a difference in this incident. Jolanta Kowalski said the hunt is not going to help with a predatory bear. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:58:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: [LETTER] Criminals don't obey gun laws http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Arti cle_Type1&c=Article&cid=1126131011675&call_pageid=968332189003&col=96835011 6895 Sep. 8, 2005. 01:00 AM Criminals don't obey gun laws Re: Make it illegal to own handguns, Letter, Sept. 6. Letter writer Ken Macpherson will be pleased to know that when Allan Rock was the federal justice minister he made the attempt to ban all guns, not just handguns. After educating himself about who the gun owners are in Canada, he realized law-abiding gun owners are not the problem. To buy a handgun in Canada the buyer must belong to an approved gun club, take a federal course, be inspected by the police and approved by the government. Criminals do not take part in gun control nor do they obey the law. The United Kingdom banned handguns and the crime rate with handguns has been steadily increasing ever since. Peter H. Breidon, Mississauga ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:00:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Liberals aim to avoid pre-Gomery vote: Sources http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Arti cle_Type1&c=Article&cid=1126131011618&call_pageid=968332188774&col=96835011 6467 Sep. 7, 2005. 07:13 PM Liberals aim to avoid pre-Gomery vote: Sources FROM CANADIAN PRESS OTTAWA - The Liberals are leaning against introducing confidence measures in the House of Commons this fall that could trigger an unwanted federal election, sources said today. The prevailing desire of the Liberal minority is to avoid tempting the electoral fates before Justice John Gomery issues his report on the sponsorship scandal at year's end, government and party officials said. That means an economic statement expected in about six weeks is unlikely to include fiscal measures that would require an immediate vote in the Commons, they said. Instead any tax cuts or spending initiatives outlined in that document would be delayed until next year's budget - after an election campaign. The Liberals could then use the details of that fiscal statement and of a major economic policy paper to be released about the same time as the backbone of their campaign platform. An official in Prime Minister Paul Martin's office agreed the government will avoid a pre-Gomery election but declined to discuss strategic details. "The prime minister made a commitment to call an election 30 days after Justice Gomery reports," said Martin spokesman Marc Roy. "What we intend to do between now and then is not to play chicken with the opposition. It's to govern and progress on our legislative agenda." But the chicken squawking had already begun this summer as members on both sides of the Commons started warning that political manoeuvring could trigger a fall election. Conservative Leader Stephen Harper essentially dared the government this week to call an election. On Wednesday he would not rule out toppling the Liberals before Gomery reports. There was also some electoral bravado emanating from Liberals at the party's recent summer caucus meeting in Regina. Several Liberals said the government might use this fall's economic statement to lure the Tories into a frustrating dilemma. Should the Liberals introduce confidence bills such as tax cuts, the Tories would be stuck with one of two unattractive options: prop up the government on the eve of an election call, or topple the Liberals before Gomery has a chance to report on the sponsorship scandal. The Liberals appear to be backing away from such talk. One MP who normally relishes taunting the Opposition with electoral dares was more cautious Wednesday. "The Canadian people want answers and Gomery is there to provide the answers," said Toronto MP Jim Karygiannis. "Once we have the answers, 30 days later we'll see you at the polls." A Liberal insider said the prime minister could easily trigger an election without a confidence vote or some other procedural manoeuvre. He said the prime minister could simply cross the street from his official residence to Rideau Hall, announce that he's keeping his promise to hold an election, and ask the Governor General to dissolve Parliament. According to the prime minister's timetable, that election campaign would likely begin before January 15. Gomery is scheduled to deliver two reports: a more sensational one at the beginning of November about what went wrong in the so-called Adscam, and a more technical one by mid-December about what steps the government should take to avoid a repeat of the scandal. That would give the Liberals the luxury of waiting up to two and a half months, including the Christmas holiday, to let any public uproar triggered by the November report die down before an election call. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:00:53 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Gun regulations delayed one year http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2005/09/08/1206634-sun.h tml Gun regulations delayed one year Among the rules was one requiring police forces to register all their firearms. CP 2005-09-08 02:20:32 OTTAWA -- In what has become a familiar refrain, the Canada Firearms Centre has once again quietly put off several gun regulations that were supposed to take effect this month. Among the measures delayed until next year is a provision to have police forces across Canada register all their weapons -- including seized guns -- with the federal agency. New rules governing gun shows have been deferred until November 2006, while regulations that would force gunmakers to identify all firearms with internationally recognized markings won't come into force until the end of 2007. The provisions were initially supposed to take effect last January but were put off to Sept. 1. Now they've been deferred again. A spokesperson for Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan said the deferral is both to "ensure compliance and be responsive to the feedback" on the regulations from the public. "We've done similar things like this before and ultimately we've phased things in and done so in a way that makes it user-friendly for people," Alex Swann said yesterday. Federal, provincial and municipal police forces across Canada were supposed to register their weapons by last Thursday but were given a last-minute reprieve. "We're talking in the tens of thousands (of officers) and each police force has to have as many guns as officers, and probably more," said Irene Arsenault, a spokesperson for the firearms centre. "We've been asked to defer that a bit so they'd have time to set everything up." Neither the Canadian Professional Police Association nor the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police was able to say yesterday whether they had lobbied to have the regulations delayed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:16:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Tories have cash but aren't poll ready http://www.torontosun.com/News/Canada/2005/09/08/1207167-sun.html Tories have cash but aren't poll ready By MARIA MCCLINTOCK, OTTAWA BUREAU HALIFAX -- The federal Tories have an estimated $20 million in their election war chest and 60,000 new members but no one is anxious to head to the polls anytime soon. Sun sources said between May and July the party's coffers swelled with thousands of new members and donations. Conservative Leader Stephen Harper, who earlier dared Prime Minister Paul Martin to call an election sooner rather than later, backed away from that challenge yesterday. But he's convinced the Grits will engineer their own defeat to spark an election. "I'm not, at this point, seeking to bring down this government prior to (Justice John) Gomery. I think the public would expect us to have a reason ... and we may not have the votes either," Harper said. Gomery is to complete a report on his probe into the sponsorship program by mid-December. Martin has promised an election 30 days after. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:08:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms as Water Recedes http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspecial/08cnd-storm.html ?hp&ex=1126238400&en=efe0a58b7fc8e12c&ei=5094&partner=homepage New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms as Water Recedes By ALEX BERENSON and TIMOTHY WILLIAMS Published: September 8, 2005 NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Waters were receding across this flood-beaten city today as police officers began confiscating weapons, including legally registered firearms, from civilians in preparation for a mass forced evacuation of the residents still living here. No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns or other firearms, said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said. But that order apparently does not apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons. [...] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:30:30 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Subject: IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE TRUTH, DELETE THIS ALERT IMMEDIATELY! ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization September 9, 2005 JPFO ALERT: IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE TRUTH, DELETE THIS ALERT IMMEDIATELY! "Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians - Local police officers began confiscating weapons from civilians in preparation for a forced evacuation of the last holdouts..." It sounds like a headline from _Unintended Consequences_. But it's happening now -- today -- in New Orleans. Law enforcement officials are confiscating the legally-owned firearms from law-abiding citizens without due process, without warrants, and without cause, leaving their owners utterly defenseless and at the mercy of looters and thugs. According to an article in the New York Times (http://tinyurl.com/9ot44), the police superintendent P. Edwin Compass III decreed that no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry firearms of any kind, even if they possess permits to do so. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said. (Well, not quite. The New Orleans police department will not be confiscating the weapons of private security personnel, guaranteeing that only those wealthy enough to afford a private bodyguard can be assured of protection). Second Amendment advocates have long warned that such confiscations would undoubtedly occur in the event of major catastrophe. That they were right is not a surprise. Sadly, neither is the fact that few gun owners have resisted the confiscations. Over the years, Americans have become increasingly ignorant about what rights they really have. Inalienable, individual rights have given way to "junk rights" -- privileges to be granted or withheld at the whim of the government. So if the government demands that they give up their guns, it's only natural that they should comply. Police officers and soldiers who are confiscating the firearms are either equally ignorant about citizens' rights ... or _simply don't care_ about following unconstitutional orders. We've stated repeatedly that we must restore a Bill of Rights culture in this country. Until the populace knows ALL of its rights _and insists those rights be respected_ , the "brown-shirting" now in New Orleans will only get worse. 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