From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #417 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, September 19 2005 Volume 08 : Number 417 In this issue: Re: Finally, a study on a "cause" of suicide - Not the method re: believing in "gun control" Re: Ardwick Blood Crew Re: Toronto Area Handgun Owners Beware! Plenty of griping on Gulf Coast Re: [Bulk] New front in crime war Toronto police "these are the weapons" Re: Toronto Area Handgun Owners Beware! Sounds of silence? Early Morning Gunfire Hitting the Downtown Core My letter to several Ontario newspapers Re: Toronto Area Handgun Owners Beware! Why Iraq war was necesary - By Peter Worthington Re: Over Loaded Re: Sounds of silence? letter sent to the Montreal Gazette Re: Sounds of silence? Letter: Slinging guns in the metro ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:51:11 -0600 (CST) From: vampire@istar.ca Subject: Re: Finally, a study on a "cause" of suicide - Not the method I think most people, at least I thought the whole world was some crack-pot-smack freak, at least that's all I see around here.=20 It's good see some old school stuff now and then, Drinking, Depression, what is that compared to kicking a Smack or worse a methadone/dolophine = habit. Anybody ever get what they called the "Screaming Munchies" when smoking pot? Pot has a very bad effect on me, and the last thing I wanna do is = eat. Acid makes me puke obviously. At least that's how I remember it in the 1960's,= like, who can smoke red african flower tops and not wanna curl up in a corner = all freaked out, it sort of opened some very bad neural pathway "engrams". I eat a lot so I get fat, that's about it, booze and drugs are a waste of money for lack of any effect....Maybe I'm not biological anymore, but = just think I am..OK I get a lot blood work and x-rays done, and they tell me = that I am fine.....I really don't believe them you know. These Alkys get depressed, that's not what alcohol does, it makes U happy, dizzy, poor, in large quantities like a 26er per day for = years....been there once upon a time, went broke, had to shut'r down. My Range, P.S.A. has a No Alky Beverage Sign, don't people already know that booze/drugs and guns don't mix? ciao =09 On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 10:19:18 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>------------------------------ |> |>Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:37:03 -0600 (CST) |>From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User)=20 |>Subject: Finally, a study on a "cause" of suicide - Not the method |> |>STATISTICS CANADA |>Wednesday, August 17, 2005 |>Study: Depression and alcohol dependence among heavy drinkers - 2000/01 |>Just under one-quarter of Canadian men and women who were considered |>dependent on alcohol in 2001 had suffered from depression at some point |>in the previous year, according to a new study. |> |>http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/050817/d050817c.htm |> |>------------------------------ Triad Productions-Fantalla(c)~EZine~ParaNovel National Association of Assault Research http://reachme.at/bob http://triad.conspiracy.at ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:24:04 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Subject: re: believing in "gun control" Terry Maguire's note cleverly uses the classic slogan about believing in "gun control" to accentuate readers emotions. Maguire opportunely employs the recent Snowden metro rampage to do it . "Gun control" is a meaningless emotion provoking slogan used by the anti-gun crowd to enhance their cause. Maguire likely knows that Canada's "gun control" measures which consist of the licensing of law-abiding citizens and the registration of their firearms would have no effect on this metro rampage at all. In fact our gun law may have actually permitted this attack in the first place, by creating victims who have no way to defend themselves. By using the phrase believing in "gun control" instead of believing in the gun registry, Maguire gets around all that messy stuff; like Canada's gun law not only being undemocratic and unconstitutional, but also not being effective to reduce crime or improve public safety. These are some descriptions of our gun law which law-abiding firearms owners have been using for years. For $2 billion the gun registry is really only a sham. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox, Sask ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:24:32 -0600 (CST) From: DavidM Subject: Re: Ardwick Blood Crew > Detectives are sure they've smashed the Ardwick Blood Crew, a violent > Jane-Finch street gang that cops contend specialized in guns, drugs - and > even murder. They believe they're responsible for at least some of the 38 > gun killings that have shocked the city this year. > > "By taking out the gang rather than just individuals, we're preventing > this > gang from continuing," outlines Deputy Chief Tony Warr. A good effort by the cops. However, am I being too cynical if I add a few words to the end of Chief Tony Warr's comments along the lines of "until the thugs are released back onto the streets by Canada's revolving door justice system"? David. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:24:55 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Jordan Subject: Re: Toronto Area Handgun Owners Beware! "The answer to this question is a great big resounding "NO!". If you don't satisfy one of the four "triggers" for "inspection" under FA s 102, then under no circumstances should you let the police into your domicile." Would you or someone please explain as to what consists of "the four triggers for inspection" under FA s 102, please? Thanx. L-DRGJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:26:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Pook" Subject: Plenty of griping on Gulf Coast http://www.hfxnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=1483&sc=2 NEWS Saturday, September 17, 2005 DOING GOOD WORK: Ordinary Seaman Aaron MacDonald-Pile operates a chainsaw at a retirement home in Gulfport, Miss., this week. Canadian sailors will leave the Gulf of Mexico tomorrow. (Photo: CHRIS LAMBIE) Plenty of griping on Gulf Coast Some say U.S. Navy ill-prepared to make efficient use of Canadian counterparts By Chris Lambie The Daily News Daily News reporter Chris Lambie has been aboard HMCS Ville de Quebec - part of a relief convoy of Canadian ships - during its humanitarian aid mission in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Lambie's coverage of the military has won national and regional newspaper awards. BILOXI, MISS. The navy's claim that ships were the best way to send help to the Gulf Coast isn't holding water with some sailors. At the bar after a long day of cleaning up trash left behind by Hurricane Katrina's massive storm surge, some seem bitter that the military was already making plans to pull out again four days after our warships first anchored off Biloxi, Miss. "It's all about the PR," said one sailor. "Stand in front of the camera and look nice." To many sailors, the humanitarian mission has obvious political overtones. "It doesn't matter to us," said one naval officer. "We get paid to serve, so whatever the country wants us to do, we do." To be fair, lots of people who went ashore from HMCS Ville de Quebec, HMCS Toronto and HMCS Athabaskan did plenty of good work in the area Katrina hammered two weeks ago. They cleaned up a church, a seniors' home, a sports and recreation centre and helped out at an emergency food distribution centre. And the Halifax-based coast guard buoy tender Sir William Alexander will surely be useful as it starts assisting the Americans to put their navigational markers back in place. But the U.S. Navy - which was in charge of organizing the Canadian work parties - seemed ill-prepared to assign the Canadians major tasks. "I get pretty pissed off when I don't have something to do," said one frustrated Canadian sailor. "Maybe they don't trust us." It also seems, at times, that the Canadians are more worried about making sure their sailors use hand-sanitizer and eat a proper lunch, than actually getting down to the work of cleaning up hurricane damage. Toronto even bought 200 Camelbak water carriers - at $40 a pop - to keep its sailors hydrated, even though cases of bottled water are available everywhere they go. "You absolutely need them in this heat," one crewman said of the backpack water carriers. "It should be standard kit." The ships will pull out of here tomorrow, after a weekend visit from Gen. Rick Hillier, chief of the defence staff. As they touch up paint in preparation for Hillier's tour, some sailors are unhappy they aren't getting the chance to do more before they leave Mississippi. "I just can't believe we're leaving as early as we are. There's so much to be done here," said one sailor. "It's really sad. I know one thing - we were working like dogs down here." While the official line is the Yanks are happy as heck for the help from their favourite neighbour, things aren't always so rosy in the real world. Some of the U.S. crews responsible for running the slow-moving landing craft that take more than two hours to get Canadians ashore grumbled the Canucks were difficult to manage. Some were downright surly. "It's like herding a bunch of f---ing cats," said one American sailor. Canadian brass say ships were the only way to bring supplies and muscle to this region without placing additional burden on the already taxed infrastructure. But that argument's a tad weak when you see how much the Americans have done for the Canadians. They feed the visiting sailors lunch, bus them around and ferry them back and forth to the warships anchored about 40 kilometres from shore. To his credit, the task group's commander said the operation would have run better if he'd had a large amphibious ship that could carry its own landing craft and trucks to get around in once sailors get to land, rather than relying on the Americans. That's the ship the navy has been talking about acquiring all year. "I need to be able to move people and equipment quickly to shore." said Commodore Dean McFadden. It probably wasn't intentional, but two massive U.S. Navy hovercraft that skim over the water at 90 kilometres an hour kicked a wall of sand in the faces of hundreds of Canadian sailors waiting by the shore Thursday night for the slow ride back to their ships. "This really sucks," said one sailor as he tried to rub the grit from his eyes. "You just had to laugh," said another. clambie@hfxnews.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:26:30 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert P." Subject: Re: [Bulk] New front in crime war I hope they include lighting. After all these cowards thrive in the dark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Mills" To: Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:38 AM Subject: [Bulk] New front in crime war > > http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Arti > cle_Type1&c=Article&cid=1126821023208&call_pageid=968256290204&col=96835011 > 6795 > > New front in crime war > Sep. 17, 2005. 01:00 AM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:26:47 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Toronto police "these are the weapons" A Toronto police spokesman said "these are the weapons that endanger our streets" while images of handguns are shown. The handguns are from a recent crackdown on gang members. It is very odd that they do not show the gang members who were charged and tell the public who the people are who are endangering Toronto's streets. There was NOT one mention of the miscreants who were caught with these guns. The guns will be held and eventually destroyed, the miscreants who were caught with these guns will be back on the streets finding more guns or stealing them from law abiding gun owners. And these miscreants will still have the attitude that they can use any method they want to intimidate, hurt, or kill other people. Do the police protect gun owners? No way! They come after your firearms are stolen and sieze whats left. You stand the chance of being charged with careless storage, even though you are a victim of theft. Why don't the Toronto police hold a press conference that tells us "these are the PEOPLE that are endangering our streets"? Yup, blame the guns, not the gang members who use them. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:34:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Re: Toronto Area Handgun Owners Beware! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Jordan To: Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Toronto Area Handgun Owners Beware! > Would you or someone please explain as to what consists of "the four > triggers for inspection" under FA s 102, please? Under Firearms Act s 102 ("Inspections"), there are there are four "triggers" for "inspection": 1) you own more than 10 guns (of any kind) 2) you own at least one "collection" gun (restricted or 12(6.1) prohibited) 3) you own at least one prohibited firearm 4) you own a gun business Under the "Inspection" provisions of FA s 104 ("Inspection" of a dwelling-house), they must give you "reasonable notice" and they must obtain your consent for "inspection", or get a warrant that allows them to "inspect". If you refuse your consent, that is automatic grounds for a warrant. Once they have a warrant, they no longer need to give you notice. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 13:55:42 -0600 (CST) From: Len Miller Subject: Sounds of silence? The Ottawa Sun The Editor . . Dear "A.C." "A time comes when silence is betrayal. Even when pressed by the demands of inner truth, men do not easily assume the task of opposing their government's policy, especially in time of war. Nor does the human spirit move without great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought within one's own bosom and in the surrounding world." Dr. Martin Luther King "You are either part of the solution , , or part of the problem" Eldridge Cleaver The 'journalists' who squander the freedom of the press . . . it is not the 'enemy' whose betrayal we should fear . . . they are your fearful neighbours . . born here . . . "we have met the enemy . . . and he is us" Pogo . . . (Walt Kelly) Len Miller On his return from a # 2 (F) Wing, RCAF reunion . . . Trenton Ontario. September, 2005. We ask your support to RESCIND C-68 ! ! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:54:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Early Morning Gunfire Hitting the Downtown Core http://www.640toronto.com/news/metro.cfm?cat=7428436912&rem=18591&red=80143 623aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=metro.cfm Early Morning Gunfire Hitting the Downtown Core Sep, 18 2005 - 3:00 AM TORONTO/640 TORONTO - Three suspects are in custody after a shooting in the entertainment district this morning. It happened near 218 Richmond Street just after 2am. Staff Sergeant Harmsen tells AM 640 Toronto that the male victim is in stable condition in hospital. He says cops are still trying to determine exactly where the shooting occurred. Stay with AM 640 Toronto for more on this developing story. - - 640 Toronto 24Hour Newscentre ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:24:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to several Ontario newspapers Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Bruce Mills Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Nuisance Deer I have a great idea for those farmers whose crops are being destroyed by deer! The Provincial Lieberals can set up a "Deer Watch" hotline for $900,000 that they can call and report nuisance deer - that's working really well for bear, isn't it? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:26:17 -0600 (CST) From: David Jordan Subject: Re: Toronto Area Handgun Owners Beware! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills > Under Firearms Act s 102 ("Inspections"), there are there are four > "triggers" for "inspection": > > 1) you own more than 10 guns (of any kind) > 2) you own at least one "collection" gun (restricted or 12(6.1) > prohibited)3) you own at least one prohibited firearm > 4) you own a gun business > > Under the "Inspection" provisions of FA s 104 ("Inspection" of a > dwelling-house), they must give you "reasonable notice" and they must > obtain your consent for "inspection", or get a warrant that allows > them to > "inspect". If you refuse your consent, that is automatic grounds > for a > warrant. Once they have a warrant, they no longer need to give you > notice. Thank you Sir. - -DRGJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:49:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Pook" Subject: Why Iraq war was necesary - By Peter Worthington http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Worthington_Peter/2005/09/18/1221 8 49.html Why Iraq war was necesary Peter WorthingtonSun, September 18, 2005 English-born Christopher Hitchens, who writes regularly for Vanity Fair magazine, is one of the more perceptive, independent and fearless political and social commentators around. He might dispute this, but to many he's a former left-winger who has made the journey to right of centre. He's gained respect and credibility, even among those who disagree. While always admiring his nerve, for going on 25 years I've deplored his judgment in that I felt in 1980 he had written in the Britain's Spectator magazine in the week of the U.S. election, that Jimmy Carter was a cinch to beat Ronald Reagan. At the time I was editor of the Sun and mocked this view as typical of the Reagan haters -- blinded by their wishful thinking. It embarrasses me today to admit that it wasn't Hitch who wrote that infamously wrong assessment, but Henry Fairlie, who was soon replaced by Hitchens as the Spectator's Washington correspondent. Shame on me. Still, the leftish Hitchens of 1980 is unrecognizable in 2005. In the Washington-based Weekly Standard, he has an article on why he thinks it was not only right but necessary for the U.S. to invade Iraq. His is the most persuasive argument I've heard. There's no shortage of valid reasons to criticize how Iraq is being handled. But objectively, can anyone dispute the need to get rid of Saddam Hussein? Here are points to consider, many of which are cited by Hitchens: 1. Weapons of mass destruction (WMD) notwithstanding, Saddam's Iraq had "met all the conditions under which a country may be deemed to have sacrificed its legal sovereignty." Iraq had invaded its neighbours (Iran and Kuwait); committed genocide (against Kurds); harboured and financed international killers; violated every term of the Non-Proliferation Treaty. 2. It ignored a dozen UN sanctions and made mockery of the Security Council. Had there been no war, Iraq was slated in 2003 to chair the UN Conference on Disarmament. 3. Crushing the Taliban in Afghanistan and Baathism in Iraq meant Pakistan and other countries were spared the spread of the anti-West virus that infected the area before the war. 4. Libya's Moammar Khaddafy abandoned his quest for nuclear weapons and ended support of international terrorism as a direct consequence of the war. His declaration was made to Bush and Blair, not the UN or European Union. 5. The UN recognized the need to reform itself. 6. Iraq is now classified as disarmed, and no longer does the world have to take a despot's word for it. 7. Something resembling freedom and choice has come to the oppressed Kurds. 8. The beginnings of democracy have since gained a foothold in Lebanon, and to a lesser degree in Egypt and Syria. There are even rudimentary elections in Saudi Arabia. 9. The already awesome American military has gained new expertise and competence in unconventional war. 10. Conditions at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison have improved immeasurably under the Americans. Despite initial, unacceptable humiliation of Iraqi prisoners, it has ceased being a combination "abattoir, torture chamber and concentration camp." There is more. Hitchens dares suggest that Osma bin Laden did the civilized world an unintentioned service and made a "world-historical mistake," when he launched his holy war against the American homeland on 9/11. Had he not done so, the Americans might have muddled on, as they did under Bill Clinton, and Pakistan might have become a nuclear-armed Taliban regime. That spectre still exists, but it is no longer dismissed as fantasy -- thanks to George Bush, Tony Blair and Australia's John Howard. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Have a letter for the editor? E-mail it to editor@tor.sunpub.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:45:51 -0600 (CST) From: Vladyslav Strashko Subject: Re: Over Loaded - --- Bruce Mills wrote: http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050916-008/page.asp > > Over Loaded > > CITY-TV > September 16, 2005 > > Row after row, one after another, they sat there in > the possession of > police. > > Dozens and dozens of pistols, rifles shotguns and > ammunition, all part of > the major seizure made during Thursday morning's > massive gang raid across > the city. All they've got is 7 handguns and a few air pistols. The more I found out about this story, the more "brain wash" part I see in it. The arrests didn't stop 3 murders next weekend (if not more) and this thing is not a big deal at all. Just a public stunt. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:46:19 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: Sounds of silence? On 2005 Sep 18, at 1:55 PM, Len Miller wrote: > > "A time comes when silence is betrayal. > Even when pressed by the demands of inner truth, > men do not easily assume the task of opposing their government's > policy, > ... . > Nor does the human spirit move without great difficulty > against all the apathy of conformist thought within one's own bosom > and in the surrounding world." > > Dr. Martin Luther King Thanks, Len. Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:56:46 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: letter sent to the Montreal Gazette Subject: gun control > Just a note to anyone who still believes in Canada's gun control scheme: > In spite of the latest efforts of harassment against lawful businesses and > firearm owners in Toronto, that city was once again host to several > shootouts over the weekend. Try to imagine the same in Montreal. Its really > just a question of time before the gang turf wars here escalate to that > point. Go after the criminals ? > How, the Liberals decided to empty the prisons with their scheme for > conditional sentencing. > What of the rampage in the Snowdon Metro? Maybe if that chap had easy access > to a mental health professional and access to proper medications the > incident would not have taken place. Oops ! The Liberals gutted the health > care system and decided to pump $2 billion dollars into a firearms registry. __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:57:28 -0600 (CST) From: mred@295.ca Subject: Re: Sounds of silence? > On 2005 Sep 18, at 1:55 PM, Len Miller wrote: >> >> "A time comes when silence is betrayal. >> Even when pressed by the demands of inner truth, >> men do not easily assume the task of opposing their government's >> policy, >> ... . >> Nor does the human spirit move without great difficulty >> against all the apathy of conformist thought within one's own bosom >> and in the surrounding world." >> >> Dr. Martin Luther King To do nothing in the face of evil is tantamount to supporting it. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:57:47 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Letter: Slinging guns in the metro PUBLICATION: Montreal Gazette DATE: 2005.09.19 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial / Op-ed PAGE: A22 SOURCE: The Gazette WORD COUNT: 76 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Slinging guns in the metro - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Gazette, Sept. 16, "Why gun control is a good idea." Imagine what might have happened during Monday's rampage in the Snowdon metro if responsible citizens had been allowed to carry concealed weapons for self defence. Perhaps someone could have rendered aid and prevented further attacks. Unfortunately, in our Liberal-run nanny-state the only possible response to violent crime is a panicked stampede for the nearest exit. Michael R. 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