From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #444 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, September 27 2005 Volume 08 : Number 444 In this issue: Column: Hunters and deer are each creatures of habit Teenager gets probation after Internet threats TIPSTERS SHOT AT, COPS SAY Youth charged over fake gun 17 shots fired at woman's house in drive-by shooting: Anti-crime plan; More police officers sought Man saves buddy by shooting attacking grizzly bear Windsor cops lobby Ont. for more police officers Job program won't solve the problem of gun violence If? Liberal Gov't. policy COTLER vs. TOEWS on Mandatory Minimum Sentences ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:35:02 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Column: Hunters and deer are each creatures of habit PUBLICATION: The Moncton Times and Transcript DATE: 2005.09.27 SECTION: Opinion/Editorial PAGE: B5 COLUMN: Everett Mosher WORD COUNT: 768 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hunters and deer are each creatures of habit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For most New Brunswick residents hunting season opens this Saturday. For the 3,274 that were lucky in the moose licence draw, the season opened last Thursday and ran for three days. Preliminary figures indicates a total kill of 2,084, up 16 per cent from last year's total, although this may be due in part to the extra 495 tags issued this year. The kill average for the last five years is 2,015 animals. Approximately 69 per cent of those harvested this year were bulls. For the upland hunter with a dog and a federal migratory game bird permit, woodcock season opened Sept. 15, with a limit of eight birds a day. The problem is that this early in the season, all the leaves are still on the trees, making it very difficult to see the these long-billed birds as they take off almost vertically. For the rest of us rest less fortunate, the list of huntable game includes spruce and ruffled grouse, varying hare, groundhog, coyote, crow and cormorant. For those with a bear licence, the season also opens this Saturday and runs until Nov. 5. In this southeastern part of the province Saturday is also the day when hunters take to the marshes in pursuit of ducks and geese. In the southwest part of our province (Zone 1) their duck and goose season does not start until Oct. 15. For this reason a significant number of waterfowl hunters from that region migrate into the Sackville and Albert county marshes every Oct. 1. My recollection of 20 or more years ago is that by the end of this week many of the trees would have already started to change to their fall colours, which is clearly not the case so far this fall, or last fall either. Is this a case of global warming, or simply a normal variation of our fall weather? Also last fall it appeared the leaves were falling from the trees much later than normal, making it difficult for grouse hunters well into the deer season. Yet, last fall hunters in this region reported a major increase in our grouse population. Indeed, those that were Hollywood hunting for deer, that is to say, driving around in hopes of seeing a deer, often reported spotting five or six grouse almost every trip. Yet, the traditional way for to hunt grouse is to walk the woods, with anything over one grouse bagged per mile walked a clear indication that the population is higher than normal. While the regular deer season for those using a firearm has an opening date of Oct. 24, those who hunt with a bow and arrow can take to the deer woods starting Oct. 3. Often those that hunt with a firearm will combine grouse hunting with scouting for deer. Of course abandoned apple orchards are a prime attraction for both grouse and deer, which attracts the hunters also, with most known orchards being visited by one or more hunters almost every day, which is why the early, first day hunter usually has the best chance. Often the deer hunter will construct a tree stand overlooking an orchard, or where they have left a large pile of apples in hopes of attracting a deer within shooting range. While this sometimes works, it often does not, as the deer will hang back in the thick woods until well after dark. For this reason the hunter should determine from which direction the deer usually approaches the orchard or apples, which, in most cases, is from the downwind side. Then the hunter should construct his or her stand in the woods in that area and at least 50 to 100 yards back from the orchard. If the woods are thick, which they often are, consider cutting firing lanes. Another factor to consider is that just as the hunter may pattern the deer's habits, and where they travel, so too will the deer pattern the hunter. After dark and after the hunter has left the tree stand the deer will often circle around the area, and, in the process, will find the scent of where the hunter walked to and from his or her tree stand. Don't think for even a moment that the deer are not taking this into consideration the following evening when they come back into the orchard. The secret there is to have several such set-ups several miles apart, and only use each individual stand once every four or five days. For most hunters the next few days will be devoted to getting ready for the hunt, and doing some last minute scouting. As to where we will be opening morning, that will only be determined the night before. Ducks and geese do shift around, and where they are today may or may not be where they will be Friday, and with luck, Saturday morning. That's a lesson well learned the hard way. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:35:41 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Teenager gets probation after Internet threats PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: 2005.09.27 PAGE: A9 BYLINE: SECTION: National News SOURCE: CP EDITION: Metro DATELINE: Miramichi, N.B. WORD COUNT: 94 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Canada in Brief Teenager gets probation after Internet threats - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Miramichi, N.B. A 15-year-old New Brunswick youth has been sentenced to two years' probation for uttering threats against his classmates last spring. He pleaded guilty last month to threatening students at Miramichi Valley High School. A student complained that in an Internet conversation with a third student, the 15-year-old threatened to kill him. The RCMP seized a computer hard-drive from the youth's home, along with firearms and a "hit list" containing about 40 names. CP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:36:11 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: TIPSTERS SHOT AT, COPS SAY PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2005.09.27 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 12 BYLINE: IAN ROBERTSON, TORONTO SUN WORD COUNT: 128 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TIPSTERS SHOT AT, COPS SAY - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pet owners searching for their dog in a wooded area in rural Georgina stumbled on a marijuana crop later harvested by cops, York Regional Police said yesterday. They called police on a cellphone as they ran for their lives on Friday, police alleged. "They say they were shot at," Const. Roman Santos said yesterday. Officers arrested three men and a woman and seized 300 plants, 40 pit bulls, a loaded .357-calibre handgun, two .22-calibre rifles, a 12-gauge shotgun and ammunition. Neither tipster was wounded, but one man was punched after one of two men they saw working in a Woodbine Ave. and Baseline Rd.-area field confronted them, Santos said. The dog searchers told cops the two appeared to be harvesting pot from the field. Santos said the two fleeing men did not see anyone shooting at them, "but they said they heard shots." The guns will be tested to determine if they were fired recently. Justin Irvine, 24, of Georgina, Stefan Krentz, 35, of Sutton, James Milito, 28, of Windsor, and Janine McMillan, 30, of Georgina face numerous criminal charges. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:37:43 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Youth charged over fake gun PUBLICATION: The Kingston Whig-Standard DATE: 2005.09.27 EDITION: Final SECTION: Community PAGE: 6 SOURCE: The Kingston Whig-Standard WORD COUNT: 90 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Youth charged over fake gun - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A 15-year-old faces criminal charges after being discovered in possession of a replica gun. Central Hastings OPP said they were called to a home on Moneymore Road in Tweed on Sunday after the teen's guardians found what they believed was a pistol in the youth's room. They also found some marijuana. An investigation revealed that the gun was a detailed and accurate replica of a .45-calibre Beretta pistol. The teen has been charged with possession of a weapon dangerous to the public peace, possession of a narcotic for the purpose of trafficking and three counts of breach of probation. He was taken into custody pending a bail hearing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:38:19 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: 17 shots fired at woman's house in drive-by shooting: PUBLICATION: The Province DATE: 2005.09.27 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A4 BYLINE: Andy Ivens and John Bermingham SOURCE: The Province ILLUSTRATION: Colour Photo: Jason Payne, The Province / Larry Wales holdsa knife, with a bullet hole in the blade, that was hanging on a wall in the kitchen. Seventeen shots were fired at his mother's house in the 2600-block Charles Street in Vancouver on Sunday night during a drive-by shooting. WORD COUNT: 261 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17 shots fired at woman's house in drive-by shooting: Eighty-six-year-old unhurt but shaken in case of mistaken home - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ An 86-year-old Vancouver woman had the fright of her life when gunmen shot up her house by mistake. "Something like that is definitely a trauma for her," said Larry Wales, who was securing the home of his mother, Florence, yesterday. Seventeen shots were fired at the house in the 2600-block Charles Street. Five rounds tore through the back door and two more came through a window, hitting the kitchen cabinets. "I was raised in this house basically from Day 1," said Wales. "When you come here and you're looking at bullet holes through the back door and window and into the cabinets and you think about your mother, vulnerable . . ." A minute before the barrage at 9:15 p.m. on Sunday, Florence and her daughter were standing in her kitchen. When her daughter left, Florence went to her bathroom to get ready for bed, which may have saved her life. Wales was surprised that bullets passed through a metal door he recently installed and through two levels of cabinets. "We're talking major power," he said of the bullets' impact. Wales upgraded the security on the house four years ago. Florence Wales was being assessed at Vancouver General Hospital yesterday afternoon. "She's 86 . . . and wants her independence," said Larry, adding his mom will stay at her daughter's house until she gets over the scare and the cabinets are repaired. "We'll sit down and see what the best approach is for her, whether to have someone come in and help her or whatever," he said. "She's got tremendous support from the neighbours . . . The response from the Vancouver police is incredibly positive." Neighbours told police they heard a vehicle and a motorcycle speed away, but no one got a description of the vehicles. "Investigators are following up in the neighbourhood to see if there was an intended target," said Const. Tim Fanning. "Obviously, it was not this woman." He said innocent people are often caught up when criminals think there's a marijuana grow-op in a house. aivens@png.canwest.com jbermingham@png.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:38:51 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Anti-crime plan; More police officers sought PUBLICATION: Red Deer Advocate DATE: 2005.09.21 SECTION: General PAGE: A1 BYLINE: paul cowley WORD COUNT: 354 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anti-crime plan; More police officers sought - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RCMP will ask for eight more officers at city budget talks early next year. Supt. Jim Steele said the request is part of an effort to boost the local force by gradually adding officers over a period of years. Increasing the number of police officers is one of the key recommendations of a policing and crime prevention study that city council adopted last December. On Tuesday, the policing committee unanimously recommended a plan that would put into action the 45 recommendations of that crime prevention strategy. The committee urged city council to adopt the implementation plan that outlines how the city can become safer. More police officers, including drug and organized crime investigators, were among recommendations approved by council last December. The plan also calls for the community to get much more involved in crime prevention and to step up efforts to target downtown crime. Giving Citizens on Patrol a boost, expanding the Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design program and creating a report card on crime prevention were other key recommendations. Steele said that while police take the lead on fighting crime, it must be a community effort. For instance, providing low-cost housing helps reduce crime, but has nothing to do with policing. The police are doing their part by bolstering their forces. Council approved eight new officers in the last budget and four of those will go to the street team. Council has funded 97 officers as of July this year and about 95 are currently on staff. Council has approved an official complement of 115 but it will take a couple of years to catch up to that staffing level. RCMP Insp. Peter Calvert was encouraged that the plan involves getting other groups involved in reducing crime. "I think it's a tremendous improvement and I'm looking forward to seeing it addressed in the city." Calvert said the plan is on the mark with its focus on problem areas such as drugs and domestic violence. Policing committee member Ben Ordman said there has already been a big improvement on the bar strip. But problems remain and he would like to see a public washroom available downtown and perhaps a first aid station. There is also work to be done in handling issues like sexual assaults, said Ordman. The implementation plan will now go to council for its approval. The policing committee is also recommending that council look at merging the advisory committee on crime prevention with the policing committee. Policing committee member Tricia Haggarty said that crime prevention and policing issues are so closely related that the same committee should be addressing them. "It just doesn't make any sense to me to have two separate committees when this committee could change a bit and have a wider focus." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:39:56 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Man saves buddy by shooting attacking grizzly bear PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2005.09.27 EDITION: FINAL CC SECTION: WestCoast News PAGE: B3 SOURCE: Peace River Block Daily News DATELINE: DAWSON CREEK WORD COUNT: 168 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Man saves buddy by shooting attacking grizzly bear in northern B.C. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DAWSON CREEK - Clint Switzer credits hunting buddy Marty Anderson with saving his life when a grizzly bear attacked him during a hunting trip in the Williston Lake area last week. "As I approached the bushes I could hear a little rustling and then I was thinking a bull (elk) might come out but it was a grizzly bear," said the 34-year-old. "I thought I had a little bit of time because I was 30 feet [nine metres] from it, but it was on the full charge. "I took off to the right hoping maybe Marty could get a shot at it before it got me," said Switzer. "[The bear] hit me full out in the back and bent me over backwards and as he flattened me he rolled right over top of me. I heard the shot ring out and that bear just screamed and immediately on a dime he spun around 180 degrees." The wounded bear ran straight at Anderson while he pumped a second shot into it. A third shot killed the bear. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:45:52 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Windsor cops lobby Ont. for more police officers PUBLICATION: The Windsor Star DATE: 2005.09.23 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A2 COLUMN: Area Briefs SOURCE: Windsor Star WORD COUNT: 140 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Windsor cops lobby Ont. for more police officers - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Windsor police will be asking the province for money to hire additional officers. At a Windsor police services board meeting on Thursday, police Chief Glenn Stannard announced he will be applying for a grant from the Ontario Ministry of Community Safety to hire 28 officers under the Safer Communities - 1,000 Officers Partnership Program. Announced in May, the program is touted by the McGuinty government as a $35-million commitment to see 1,000 new police officers in Ontario by 2007. Stannard noted that eight of the 28 requested personnel have already been hired and deployed -- including a detective tasked with investigating child pornography. Stannard believes the eight officers qualify retroactively to be a part of a new grant application. In a letter to the board, Stannard wrote that the 20 additional officers are needed in the patrol division. If the application is successful, Stannard hopes for an initial hiring of 10 constables in January and another hiring of 10 cadets in November 2006. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:46:02 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Job program won't solve the problem of gun violence PUBLICATION: The Toronto Star DATE: 2005.09.27 EDITION: ONT SECTION: News PAGE: B2 BYLINE: Vanessa Lu SOURCE: Toronto Star WORD COUNT: 301 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Job program no cure-all, teens say - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Althea Bygrave and Nikisha Hinds say Mayor David Miller's plan to get internship programs for youths in troubled neighbourhoods is a start, but it won't solve the problem of poverty and gun violence. The Grade 12 students at Monsignor Percy Johnson Catholic Secondary School at Jane St. and Finch Ave. W. in North York were on hand to hear Miller ask Toronto's business community to hire young people, during a luncheon speech to the Empire and Canadian clubs yesterday. "We can't prevent the murders that have already happened in our city," Miller said. "But if we take the initiative now, and give young people in our city a decent chance, we can prevent many potential crimes before they happen." Toronto has had a wave of gun violence this year - 60 homicides so far, 41 involving firearms. Miller urged private firms as well as public institutions to offer jobs to youth from at-risk neighbourhoods like Jane-Finch, Rexdale and Malvern. "We all owe it to our young people to give them a chance. We all owe it to our residents to divert young people towards jobs, and away from guns. "This is an opportunity to attract young employees who have the potential to contribute to the growth of your business." Bygrave and Hinds say internships are a good idea, but won't solve systemic problems. "Enrolling kids into jobs, it might help 50 per cent of the youth population," Bygrave said, but drugs and drug dealing will still be attractive to some. "Kids from impoverished homes, if you put 20 bucks, $100 in front of them and they didn't eat dinner last night, they're going to think it's an easy way to make money," she said. While Miller touted several success stories including the law firm Heenan Blaikie, which took on four interns last year and hired one permanently, and Goodwill, which is hiring 100 youths, both students remain skeptical of the actual impact. Bygrave wondered if any of the businesses would hire someone with a criminal record. "Who's going to hire me if I have a criminal record. No one. So I'm going to turn back to the same violence that made me have money, the same drugs." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:57:38 -0600 (CST) From: Len Miller Subject: If? Hamilton Spectator "If guns" byline Susan Clairmont To Susan and every journalist in the industry . . If, you say, guns are a problem, why indeed? If cars were a problem,Susan, why are so many killed by people speeding and running red lights? If tobacco is a problem, why are 'we' still selling it? If 24,000 die, annually, from 'medical misadventure', why then, do journalists ignore doctors, and focus on guns? If judges, politicians, and the court house industry, ignore criminals perhaps 'we' have found the reason you have decided to blame an inanimate object, rather than the perp. You are afraid, you are not alone. This is probably only one of the reasons, cops hate you . . . It's the criminal, NOT the gun, it's the driver . .NOT the car . . it's the smoker . . NOT the tobacco, and it's the doctor NOT the patient. It's people, dear reporter . . . it's the p e o p l e! Two people died, phoning 911, when a gun may have saved them bob and bonnie dagenais, val des monts quebec , ,, Finally, a man's life was saved, by a gun, just yesterday! (See grizzly attack) Have a reasonable day! Len Miller Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:08:48 -0600 (CST) From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Liberal Gov't. policy "Since the 1960s, Canada has tried to achieve moral leadership in the world by observing strict neutrality between good and evil." - -author George Jonas "Beethoven's Mask: Notes on My Life and Times". - ---------------------------- that explains a lot ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:04:08 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: COTLER vs. TOEWS on Mandatory Minimum Sentences House of Commons Debates Tuesday, September 27, 2005 ORAL QUESTION PERIOD Unedited copy - not official until printed in Hansard * * * ¸ (1435) Mr. Rob Merrifield (Yellowhead, CPC): Mr. Speaker, the fallen RCMP officers were killed in my riding where drugs like marijuana and methamphetamine continue to ruin young lives and continue to destroy communities, yet the government appears cold to help. We need truth and answers in the House and we need truth in sentencing for criminals. Will the government commit to mandatory prison sentences for serious drug and violent crimes? Hon. Irwin Cotler (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, there are serious sentences with respect to the amphetamine regulatory changes that we initiated this summer. With regard to matters now before the House they are before the parliamentary committee. If the committee wants to move any amendments to the legislation it can do so. Mr. Rob Merrifield (Yellowhead, CPC): Mr. Speaker, what happened this summer is no answer. Yesterday the families warned that there are thousands of other James Roscoe's all across this country in every police division putting police and ordinary Canadian citizens at risk. The families have sound ideas to fix the system. One of the things they would like to see is a scrapping of Bill C-17, the government's soft approach to marijuana. We need some straight answers and honest answers in the House. Will the government scrap the bill? Hon. Irwin Cotler (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, there are more mandatory minimums for gun related crimes than any other crime in the Criminal Code with the exception of murder. With regard to the question of marijuana, we are not going to scrap a bill that was unanimously recommended by a previous parliamentary committee. Mr. Vic Toews (Provencher, CPC): Mr. Speaker, yesterday I asked the Minister of Justice to support mandatory prison sentences for drug dealers, gunmen and other repeat violent offenders. The minister avoided the question and suggested he was looking at tinkering with the provisions governing house arrest. The minister is providing no direction. Why will the minister not commit to bringing forward mandatory prison sentences for drug dealers, gunmen and other repeat violent offenders so that Canadians can live in safe communities? Hon. Irwin Cotler (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, we do not need to be lectured by the opposition on safe communities. If the member opposite would just open the Criminal Code and read it for a change, he would find that there are mandatory minimums with respect to the offences of which he is speaking, and if he would look to the south, to which he is always referring, he would see that the American Bar Association just last year recommended to do away with mandatory minimums because they have no effect, they do not deter and they result in unnecessary incapacitation and unnecessary costs to the system without protecting security. Mr. Vic Toews (Provencher, CPC): Mr. Speaker, the judges tell us every day in their sentences that is the direction from the minister and his government that requires them to give house arrest. That is the minister's direction. Other overwhelming evidence from jurisdictions has demonstrated that mandatory sentences for violent offenders have substantially reduced crimes in large cities, yet despite the evidence the minister stated that mandatory prison sentences do not work. Given the absolute failure of the minister's strategy, why does he not adopt a new one? Hon. Irwin Cotler (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, one difference between myself and the hon. member opposite is that I have read the evidence and he is making up the evidence. - ------------------------------------------------------------ STATISTICS CANADA CONTRADICTS JUSTICE MINISTER ON EFFECTIVNESS OF MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES - ESPECIALLY FOR FIREARMS LEGISLATION http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/issues/guninfo/newguninfo/2005_firearmsupdat e_%2007_07.doc BREITKREUZ QUOTE: "Isn't it odd that the government would state categorically that mandatory minimum sentences do not work to curtail the criminal use of firearms but (in the face of all evidence to the contrary) that the gun registry does?" ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #444 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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