From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #448 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, September 29 2005 Volume 08 : Number 448 In this issue: Re: UK - Animal rights activists in new wave of attacks Crown Attornies stoop to new low Re: gg My letter to the National Post Re: Mother of Shooting Victim Sues [LETTER] Give every woman a mobile phone Re: [LETTER] Give every woman a mobile phone BRITAIN: Guns and knives warning after amnesty Personal Protection Act to be Reintroduced in Wisconsin! Tory poll shows Liberal lead shrinking; TORIES TOUTING POSITIVE POLL LETTER: KEEPING VIOLENT CRIMINALS IN JAIL THE REAL SOLUTION POLL: Canadians hold values similar to those of Americans Border agents discovered four firearms FIREARMS SEIZED ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:10:42 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: UK - Animal rights activists in new wave of attacks Now THIS !!!!!!sounds like a terrorism threat to me ? Shouldnt they be all incarcerated without benefit of legal advice and access to the charges? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:11:40 -0600 (CST) From: Barry Glasgow Subject: Crown Attornies stoop to new low To: Ottawa Sun , mbryant.mpp@liberal.ola.org, james.mckeachie@jus.gov.on.ca, president@ocaa.ca, Cotler.I@parl.gc.ca Cc: Ottawa Citizen , Toronto Sun , Toronto Star , Calgary Sun , Calgary Sun , Edmonton Sun , Globe & Mail , Hill Times , National Post Not long after the Ottawa Sun's series on Canada's monumentally failed Firearms Act, I had the displeasure of reading about the plight of one unfortunate citizen who has run afoul of this law. In an attempt to remedy he and his wife's situation and to expose the egregious infringements this law puts on the rights of good Canadians, Bruce Montague of Dryden Ontario launched a constitutional challenge to this law. As a result, the Crown countered by using "proceeds of crime" measures intended for organized crime to initiate a seizure of the Montague home - - clearly bent on thwarting the Montague's ability to finance their court challenge. Not only has the Firearms Act wasted billions of dollars with no impact on the criminal use of firearms, the government is now wasting its endless resources to harass and destroy the lives of its law-abiding citizens. These police state tactics belong in the former Soviet Union. Instead of taking the easy approach by harassing upstanding members of society, why don't Attorney General Michael Bryant and Crown Attorney James McKeachie put a little effort in dealing with the low-lifes who are shooting up the streets of Toronto? Barry Glasgow Woodlawn, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:12:06 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Farion Subject: Re: gg Cdn-Firearms Digest w Hi; Well, now I have just about had enough! A governor generals speech on the firearms digest! Probably get a liberal next praising the efforts against Bruce! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:17:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to the National Post Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: Tourists warned of Florida's 'Shoot First Law': Why are you giving any credence to anything that the virulently anti-gun Brady Bunch has to say? These extremists always use irrational, emotional arguments to whip up hysteria against the lawful use of firearms - and you fall for it every time! They always screech that there will be "shootouts", and that "blood will run in the streets", every time a new law that supports the individual's right to keep and bear arms is introduced. They said this when Florida passed its Concealed Carry Weapons law in 1987, and in every State since, and the only thing that happened is that confrontational crime has dropped like a rock. Why should law-abiding citizens be required, by law, to have to flee in the face of an attack by some criminal thug? Where does it stop? What kind of security can we expect if we don't have the right to defend ourselves when and how we see fit? That is simply giving over our society to the criminals, and that must not be allowed to happen - and you shouldn't be a party to it! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:52:42 -0600 (CST) From: vampire@istar.ca Subject: Re: Mother of Shooting Victim Sues The Mother of Shooting Victim Sues "Toronto Community Housing Corporation" ? That's strange as far as avoiding the concept of "Nipping it in the Bud Goes", what does the "Toronto Community Housing Corporation" really have to do with the incident. People really hate to sue the police, since they armed to death and they have no scruples for jack in the greater part. Some have some extreme knowledge of devious criminal activity, and use that to ENFORCE their will... The "Toronto Community Housing Corporation" better known as the BILL-C70 Rip Off guys are probably wondering if this is just a Karma Trip or something, since it makes very little sense at this point, here or on their website disclosure. The whole approach seems kinda bizarre to me, it makes very little sense, like registering already registered guns or Mini Choppers for all that matters.... Well, keep them rolling in Bruce.....>:) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:58:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: [LETTER] Give every woman a mobile phone http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Arti cle_Type1&c=Article&cid=1127857814349&call_pageid=968332189003&col=96835011 6895 Give every woman a mobile phone Toronto Star Letters to the Editor Sep. 28, 2005. 01:00 AM Re: Women and mobile phones If every woman was able to have a mobile phone to call police, I think there would be a good chance that some rapes, beatings and even murders would be prevented. Chicago has implemented such a system where people who have upgraded their mobile phones are able to turn them in to a centre where they are reprogrammed to only call 911. They are given at no charge to women who cannot afford to have a mobile phone and are deemed to be at risk. The vulnerability of women at the hands of men has always existed. Why not use modern technology to help reduce it? Barry Kaplan, Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:04:38 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: [LETTER] Give every woman a mobile phone - ----- Original Message ----- > The vulnerability of women at the hands of men has always existed. Why not > use modern technology to help reduce it? > > Barry Kaplan, Toronto teach them to shoot and give them a handgun .Thats modern technology too. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:16:40 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: BRITAIN: Guns and knives warning after amnesty Guns and knives warning after amnesty September 25, 2005 http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=New s&tBrand=edponline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED27%20Sep%202005%2019%3A21%3A30 %3A223 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:01:49 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Subject: Personal Protection Act to be Reintroduced in Wisconsin! http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=1752 Personal Protection Act to be Reintroduced in Wisconsin! Tuesday, September 27, 2005 Please show your support for the Personal Protection Act on Thursday, September 29. Senator Dave Zien (R-23) will be reintroducing Wisconsin's Personal Protection Act at a press conference in the Senate Parlor at 10:00 a.m. Supporters interested in attending should gather at Senator Zien's office, Room 15, South of the Wisconsin State Capitol at 9:00 a.m. The Personal Protection Act will allow trained citizens who successfully complete a background check to carry a concealed firearm for self-defense Also, supporters of the Second Amendment are encouraged to join Senator Zien for breakfast at the International House of Pancakes (IHOP) on East Washington Road near I-94 from 7:00 a.m. to 8:30 a.m. earlier that morning. If you need further information, please contact Senator Zien's office at (608) 266-7511. Wisconsin remains one of only a handful of states that does not respect the right of citizens to carry concealed for personal protection outside the home. It is up to you to help change this -- your safety and that of your family depends on it. Now is your time to come out and show your support! nra ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:09:07 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Tory poll shows Liberal lead shrinking; PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: 2005.09.29 PAGE: A4 (ILLUS) BYLINE: BILL CURRY SECTION: National News EDITION: Metro DATELINE: Ottawa ONT WORD COUNT: 560 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fall election talk hangs over Hill Tory poll shows Liberal lead shrinking; NDP distancing itself from government - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Talk of a snap fall election is creeping into the political chatter on Parliament Hill as the NDP strikes a harder tone toward the Liberals and the Conservatives say their internal polling has them within four percentage points of the Liberals. Veteran NDP MP Ed Broadbent accused the Liberals during Question Period yesterday of backing down on a promise to launch consultations this fall on electoral reform. "Is this not another extraordinary example of the cynicism and empty rhetoric of the government that the people of Canada want removed?" he said. Outside the House, NDP MP Joe Comartin said the public could support an election after the first Gomery report into what happened with the sponsorship program is released Nov. 1, but before the second Gomery report with recommendations comes out Feb. 1. "We'll see what their response is to that first report," Mr. Comartin said. "I could very well see the Canadian electorate at that point calling on us to move for an election, but it's too early for us to draw any conclusions on that one." The NDP's harsh words came the same day as Tory MPs poured out of their weekly caucus meeting boasting that their latest internal poll has the party just four points back of the Liberals. Praxicus Public Strategies Inc. said 33 per cent of voters intended to support the Liberals, compared with 29 per cent for the Conservatives and 20 per cent for the NDP. The survey of 1,500 people between Sept. 15 and Sept. 23 is considered accurate within 2.5 percentage points, 19 times out of 20. Conservative MP John Reynolds said a fall election was now entirely in the NDP's hands. "If they want an election, they just have to tell us," he said. "If I was giving the NDP political advice, I'd say join with the Bloc [Quebecois] and the Tories and defeat them on Nov. 1. You don't have to wait for Gomery's second report. That's only going to be motherhood . . . If the NDP fought the election on 'You cannot vote Liberal. They're just corrupt and crooked,' they might end up with a few more seats than the Liberals this time." NDP sources caution that the caucus has not decided on a fall election, but rather is trying to distance itself from the Liberals after supporting them in the spring. However, it appears unlikely the opposition will have a way to force an election between Nov. 1 and the Christmas holidays. A motion of no-confidence in the government could be put forward on an opposition day, when one of the opposition parties is allowed to choose the topic of debate. The government must schedule seven such days before Dec. 10, but can decide when they will be. Opposition days are usually scheduled once a week on a Tuesday or a Thursday. The earliest possible opposition day following Nov. 1, a Tuesday, would be Nov. 3, a Thursday. However votes on motions put forward on Thursdays are "deferred" to the following week and Parliament does not sit the week of Nov. 7. That would push any vote to the week of Nov. 14 and a minimum 35-day campaign would put the election on Boxing Day, which is unlikely to be acceptable politically. "There's a very small window of opportunity and I think the government is going to take that opportunity away by ensuring that we don't have anything that would possibly trigger a vote of confidence or could be construed as such," said Peter MacKay, deputy leader of the Conservative Party. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:09:35 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: TORIES TOUTING POSITIVE POLL PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2005.09.29 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 28 BYLINE: CP DATELINE: OTTAWA WORD COUNT: 193 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TORIES TOUTING POSITIVE POLL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Conservative Leader Stephen Harper told his caucus yesterday that the party's pollster has found something other pollsters have not - that enough Canadians support them to put them within striking distance of the Liberals. The results are at odds with recent polling by other firms, which said last week that Liberals were at 40 per cent compared to 24 per cent for the Conservatives. MP John Reynolds, the party's vice-chairman of election preparedness, said the party's pollster, Praxicus Public Strategies Inc., found 33 per cent of voters intended to support the Liberals, compared with 29 per cent for the Conservatives. "Our numbers haven't looked this good in a year," Reynolds said. The NDP polled 20 per cent in a poll taken in the last two weeks, Reynolds said. The details of the question asked, the sample size and the margin of error of the poll weren't available. "Our polls are not polls that ask leading questions; they're actual polls that only ask about voter intention," said deputy leader Peter MacKay. "We're a couple of points behind, I think that's where we are, but we'll be a couple of points ahead when we get to an election," MacKay said. Harper has faced a steady stream of criticism from within the party for his stern, detached style, with some saying he should quit. Meanwhile, MacKay said his fellow colleagues didn't go after him over reports accusing him of gunning for Harper's job. Earlier this week there was a report that a couple of unnamed Tory MPs were accusing MacKay of orchestrating a campaign of party members who went public, calling for Harper's head. "It never came up," MacKay said as he left the weekly caucus yesterday. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:09:50 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: LETTER: KEEPING VIOLENT CRIMINALS IN JAIL THE REAL SOLUTION PUBLICATION: The London Free Press DATE: 2005.09.29 EDITION: Final SECTION: Opinion Pages PAGE: A8 BYLINE: D. E. FLORIAN, LONDON COLUMN: Letters to the Editor WORD COUNT: 163 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ KEEPING VIOLENT CRIMINALS IN JAIL THE REAL SOLUTION - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Regarding the article, A billion bucks and counting (Sept. 24). Wendy Cukier's suggestion that opposing the long-gun registry is like saying "that because people are still killed on the highways, we should be rid of the legislation against drunk driving," is erroneous at best and deceitful at worst. A proper analogy to ending drunk-driving laws would be ending homicide laws, and a proper analogy to ending the gun registry would be ending vehicle registration. This is comparing apples to oranges. Cukier also suggests that opponents of the registry "should recognize its success in saving 600 lives a year." Please name for me just one person who has had their life saved by the registry. I, sadly, can name dozens of people who have not. And mentioning the 15,375 licences refused or revoked is a red herring. I have always needed a licence (FAC) to get a firearm and registration doesn't even come into play at all until after the gun has already been bought. People such as Cukier desperately need to stop hawking this albatross to the rest of us and start concentrating on real solutions, like putting violent criminals behind bars -- and keeping them there. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:10:23 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: POLL: Canadians hold values similar to those of Americans PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2005.09.29 EDITION: National SECTION: Issues & Ideas PAGE: A22 BYLINE: Scott Stinson SOURCE: National Post ILLUSTRATION: Chart/Graph: The Dominion Institute, Innovative Research,National Post / CANADIAN VALUES STUDY: Comparing Canada to other nations: (See print copy for complete chart/graph.) NOTE: Part five of a six-part series.; sstinson@nationalpost.com WORD COUNT: 372 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Canadians' views are not unique, poll finds - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Canadians hold values similar to those of Americans, according to a poll that contradicts the suggestion our neighbours to south are more inherently conservative than us. A majority of 60% of Canadians agreed with the free-market statement that "people who don't get ahead should blame themselves, not the system," according to a survey conducted for the Canadian Values Study, a joint project of the National Post, the Dominion Institute and Innovative Research Group. On an issue such as the environment, 57% of Canadians agreed with the view that "protecting the environment is more important than creating jobs" -- a position that echoed the 61% of Americans who chose a pro-environment stance in response to a similar question posed in the World Values Study conducted between 1999 and 2001. That World Values Study also showed Canadians to have views similar to those of residents of other industrialized nations on issues such as freedom of competition and government regulation of business. Asked whether competition was good or harmful, 68% of Canadians said it was good, compared with 71% of Americans and 64% of Germans. "On most measures of political values other than social conservatism, Canada has as many people with a conservative viewpoint as any other advanced industrial democracy, even the United States," said Greg Lyle, managing director of Innovative Research Group. Rudyard Griffiths, executive director of the Dominion Institute, said he's been part of several polling projects that show agreement between Canadians and Americans on "a whole series of issues" such as attitudes related to prosperity and government. We have differences of opinion on controversial topics such as gun control and abortion, he said, but there remains "a bit of a pernicious myth of the divergence of Canadian and U.S. values." The National Post/ Dominion Institute/ Innovative Research study found a majority of Canadians (53%) said government regulation of business "is necessary to keep industry from becoming too powerful" and 38% said regulation "does more harm than good." The Canadian Values Study, a telephone survey of 815 randomly selected Canadians, was conducted between Sept. 22 and Sept. 24 and is considered accurate to within 3.43 percentage points, 19 times out of 20. The World Values Study is a set of common questions run on independent surveys conducted from 1999 to 2001 in 81 countries representing 85% of the world's population. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:11:18 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Border agents discovered four firearms PUBLICATION: The Windsor Star DATE: 2005.09.29 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A3 BYLINE: Doug Schmidt SOURCE: Windsor Star WORD COUNT: 294 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Firearms charges laid - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ An Ohio man is in custody and facing a raft of criminal and Customs Act charges after border agents discovered four firearms and 89 rounds of ammunition in a car at the Windsor-Detroit tunnel Monday. Canada Border Services Agency officers uncovered the weaponry during a routine secondary examination at the tunnel about 2 p.m. A 9-mm pistol was spotted in an open gym bag on the front passenger seat of a 2005 Chevy Cavalier and a 9-mm clip containing nine bullets was located in the glove box. The examination also revealed a .22-calibre rifle in the trunk and a .22-calibre pistol and a .38-calibre revolver in a bag behind the driver's seat. The second bag also contained an additional 80 rounds of ammunition of mixed calibres. Jamie Michel, 24, of Willard, Ohio, was taken into custody and charged under the Customs Act with failing to report goods and making false statements. He was then handed over to Windsor police who charged him Wednesday with nine weapons-related offences, as well as a possession of stolen property charge. Staff Sgt. Gord Purdy of the Windsor police criminal investigation branch said Wednesday several police agencies are involved in a probe, including a provincial gun task force and the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Aware that a growing number of illegal firearms obtained in the U.S. are being used in crimes on Canadian city streets, Purdy said police have become "much more vigilant" in investigating such cases, including trying to track down the origins and final destinations of such weapons seized at the border. One of the firearms seized Monday had been listed as stolen. CBSA spokesman Danny Yen said when firearms are discovered at the border they are seized and forfeited. He said the vehicle in which they're found is also seized and usually held pending payment of a $500 penalty per firearm. Yen said all arrivals into Canada are asked whether they are in possession of any firearms. Last year, he added, 104 firearms were seized at the Windsor and Sarnia border crossings. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:12:25 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: FIREARMS SEIZED PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2005.09.29 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 5 BYLINE: JONATHAN JENKINS, TORONTO SUN WORD COUNT: 186 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ THESE GUYS NO STRAIGHT SHOOTERS - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A small arsenal was uncovered after a gun battle in which at least five gunmen -- some on rooftops -- blasted away at each other during a ferocious shootout on Yellowstone St. But the triggermen's enthusiasm was not matched by their aim -- not a single injury has turned up in any local hospital as police can't find any evidence anyone was struck in the 10:30 p.m. Tuesday barrage in the Finch and Driftwood Ave. area. Toronto Police said four males, two in their 20s and two teens, were arrested by tactical officers who raided an apartment early yesterday. They face numerous weapons-related offences. When officers later searched the rooftop where gunmen had returned fire at two men in a car, they found three firearms, ammunition and drugs. FIREARMS SEIZED Police seized a .40-calibre Glock handgun, a .22-calibre Smith and Wesson revolver and a Remington pump action pistol-grip shotgun. The battle began when a black car pulled onto a Yellowstone complex parking lot. The two men in the car opened fire at another man who had just exited an apartment building. Residents told police they heard up to 30 shots during the gun fight. The intended victim ran away but, as the gunmen returned to their car, other men on the roof returned fire. The men's car then drove away from the scene while the rooftop shooters hid in an apartment. Neighbouring apartments were evacuated while the ETF targeted an apartment where four males were taken into custody without incident. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #448 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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