From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #466 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, October 5 2005 Volume 08 : Number 466 In this issue: My letter to the Toronto Star DOCUMENTARY: Enquetes sur les arms a feu Re: Police hit south-side gang with 76 charges: Revealed: the fatal failures behind Dunblane children's massacre MPs commission study of whether sponsorship witnesses lied to DARYL KRAMP, MP: "Send a clear message to the criminal element." Armes for Their Defense Re: Jean Re: Armes for Their Defense Woman guilty in store heist; Gets 18-month conditional term Hobbema man faces attempted murder charge Do you agree with hunting? Man charged after teen accidentally kills himself Letter: Feds' handgun ban is comprehensive JUDGE SLAMS SHOOTING WITNESS Liberals set Commons calendar to avoid election ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:24:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to the Toronto Star Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: Re: No evidence of liberal media bias Marsha Barber and Ann Rauhala smugly proclaim there is no "leftist media bias" because news directors' political leanings "reflect" those of the viewing audience. If that isn't putting the cart before the horse, I don't know what is! After decades of pro-Liberal and anti-Conservative propagandizing, what did you expect? Barber and Rauhala disengenuously try to cover their tracks by saying that there is no small-l "liberal" bias - which was not the point that Peter Kent originally made. In this attempt, they conveniently claim that "liberals" are not "leftists", they are "centrists". Hogwash! These neo-libs are much more akin to socialists than they ever were to classical Liberals, and such "redefinition" and "reframing" are their stock in trade. Of course, this should come as no surprise from that bastion of conservatism, Ryerson. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:30:11 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: DOCUMENTARY: Enquetes sur les arms a feu The television documentary series Enquetes will be broadcast on Thursday at 9:00 PM starting October 6th, on channel D in the Province of Quebec. The program including an interview with Garry Breitkreuz, MP will be broadcast October 20th. SOUVINAGE 1035, avenue Laurier O., 1st floor Outremont, Quebec H2V 2L1 Phone (514) 277-6123 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:39:50 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Police hit south-side gang with 76 charges: At 08:54 AM 10/4/05 -0600, you wrote: >PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal >DATE: 2005.10.04 >EDITION: Final >SECTION: CityPlus >PAGE: B1 / Front >BYLINE: Jeff Holubitsky >SOURCE: The Edmonton Journal >DATELINE: EDMONTON >ILLUSTRATION: Colour Photo: John Lucas, The Journal / EPS Staff Sgt. >BradDoucette looks over weapons and money seized by police during a >recent bust of gang members and associates. >WORD COUNT: 535 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Police hit south-side gang with 76 charges: Series of arrests followed >violence in Mill Woods, Whyte Avenue > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >EDMONTON - Edmonton police have laid 76 charges against 16 members and >associates of a south-side gang in one of the biggest busts in the >history of the gang unit. > >"These arrests won't stop gang violence but they should relieve it," >police Supt. Mark Logar said on Monday. > >All but four or five of the accused have already been released on bail >since the September arrests, Staff Sgt. Brad Doucette said. > >The men, aged 19 to 26, face numerous charges, including weapons >offences, kidnapping, robbery, and aggravated assault. > >Police set out a display of evidence gathered from the gang members, >whom Logar described as a segment of society who believe life is cheap >and enforce their lifestyles with knives, baseball bats and guns. > >"If you bump into them in a bar, they will stab you," Logar said. So, if these individuals are this dangerous, why are they released from custody? Or is this police officer just making media noise? And as these individuals have been released back into society, what stops them from reofending again? Where is the "relief" the officer speaks of? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:42:25 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Revealed: the fatal failures behind Dunblane children's massacre SCOTSMAN.COM Revealed: the fatal failures behind Dunblane children's massacre BY MICHAEL HOWIE Key points * Cullen Inquiry reveals deadly lapses that may have allowed killings to occur * Warnings over Thomas Hamilton were given but not acted on * Inquiry findings were to be kept secret for 100 years but are now revealed Key quote "If the kind of circumstances as described are allowed to continue without some kind of intervention, I consider that other children may be placed at risk. In like situations arising unchecked I fear that a tragedy to a child or children is almost waiting to happen." - Letter from the Children's Reporter to Fife Regional Council and Fife Constabulary Story in full THOMAS Hamilton showed a handgun and bullets to children only days before he massacred 16 pupils and a teacher in Dunblane, documents released yesterday reveal. But social workers failed to speak to the children to check their story until the day of the shootings. The lapse is one of a series of failings committed by police and other public bodies in the weeks, months and years before the killings that are described in official documents released to the public for the first time. http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=2035472005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:23:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: MPs commission study of whether sponsorship witnesses lied to Parliament Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20051004/ca_pr_on_na/sponsorship_testimony;_ ylt=Ak6NaI_JWcTSPNSxK5XaVox19L4F;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OWI1ZGNqBHNlYwM3Mzc- MPs commission study of whether sponsorship witnesses lied to Parliament 2 hours, 40 minutes ago OTTAWA (CP) - MPs on the Commons public accounts committee say they want to know whether key witnesses who testified before them about the federal sponsorship scandal were telling the truth. In a rare show of unanimity, Liberals joined opposition members to commission a study comparing what was said to them with what was said to a public inquiry headed by Justice John Gomery. If discrepancies are found, anybody accused of lying to the MPs could be held in contempt of Parliament or even face criminal charges of perjury. Nobody was singled out by the committee, but Chuck Guite, the bureaucrat who headed the sponsorship program, has come under fire over alleged inconsistencies in his story. The study comparing testimony at the committee with the evidence heard by Gomery will be conducted by researchers at the Library of Parliament. Their work won't be finished until after Christmas. MPs will examine the results then and decide whether to take further action. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:47:56 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: DARYL KRAMP, MP: "Send a clear message to the criminal element." House of Commons Debates Tuesday, October 4, 2005 MEMBERS STATEMENTS Unedited copy - not official until printed in Hansard * * * Mr. Daryl Kramp (Prince Edward-Hastings, CPC): Mr. Speaker, over the past year, Canadians watched as families have been torn apart by rising levels of gun violence in our communities. Over the summer I have met with criminal defence lawyers, municipal leaders, heads of national police associations and local law enforcement officials to discuss my private member's Bill C-215, which would introduce mandatory minimum sentences on indictable gun offences. Support for this initiative in this country is growing, both at the grassroots and among provincial attorneys general. Yesterday I had the opportunity to discuss these and other issues with the chief of the Toronto Police Force, Bill Blair, a man who has had to deal with over 40 gun deaths in his city alone. He joined numerous others in identifying the links between gangs, guns and drugs. It is time for the government to send a clear message to the criminal element that their actions will no longer be tolerated. The first opportunity to do this is on October 18 when Bill C-215 comes up at the justice committee. I urge my colleagues to demonstrate clearly their commitment to the ultimate responsibility of a parliamentarian, which is to provide for the health and safety of their constituents. * * * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:44:40 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Armes for Their Defense Armes for Their Defense Court argument under Section 117.03 (3) of the Criminal Code of Canada: Seized firearm Joe Gingrich, Jack Wilson, & I appeared in Provincial Court in Craik, SK, this morning to make the oral part of our argument that the licensing requirement of the Firearms Act violates the Canadian Constitution. The main thrust of our argument was contained in a 57 page "brief" that we presented to the provincial court judge and the federal crown prosecutor three weeks ago. I took about seven to ten minutes to present an overview of our argument and highlight a couple of important points. The federal crown prosecutor then presented his opinion in opposition, and I was given five to six minutes in rebuttal. The judge interpose his own questions into the discussions at various points, never displaying any particular leaning one way or the other, that we could determine. The judged reserved his decision until 06 December 2005, at which time he will deliver a written statement to the court. The NDP provincial government of Saskatchewan has not done one thing to assist us in any manner, nor to delay, prevent, or deter the RCMP from their confiscatory tactics. I have included my speaking notes below, and (hopefully) I will soon have our brief posted on the soon-to-be revised CUFOA website. Sincerely, Eduardo Secretary CUFOA Speaking Notes Armes for Their Defense Introduction: Highlight very briefly the basis of my argument. Then answer any questions which you may have. A. The "pith and substance," the sin qua non of my argument is that the requirement of the Firearms Act to possess a license merely to possess a firearm is a violation the the Canadian Constitution. Since a "licence" is: A Revocable permission to commit some act that would otherwise be unlawful, Black's Law Dictionary, 7th ed, Bryan A. Garner editor Book Seven / item 2 The Firearms Act, Section 4: [T]o provide ... for the issuance of licences ... under which persons may possess firearms in circumstances that would otherwise constitute an offence ... . The Firearms Act, chapter 39, Statues of Canada -1995; p. 4 Book Four / item 20 The Firearms Act attempts to make illegal what is our natural Right. B. Reasons in support of my argument 1) English Declaration of Rights - 1689 Article 7 "Armes for their defense" originally passed by a Convention Parliament in effect an international treaty 2) Common Law of Canada (a) from the very first explorers and settlers, firearms have been a part of Canada, e.g. Aroostook Border War 1839 Maine-New Brunswick border (b) Royal Proclamation of 1763 This Proclamation forms the keystone 0f aboriginal treaty Rights; the guarantees of the Proclamation should apply equally to non-natives. 3) Canada shares a common heritage with United States American law is often cited in Canadian courts 4) Genocide is a worldwide problem the best way to honor our immigrants, our "Canadian mosaic", is to allow all people to own firearms. 5) "Supremacy of God" God-given mandate: self-protection ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:47:15 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Farion Subject: Re: Jean Hi; Well, I can not believe the degeneration of the Firearms Digest. There is more coverage of how nice Paul is and what wonderful things Quebecers will give but all most no coverage of what Bruce Montague is going thru! So Jean and Lyin Brian and Jean Cretin and Paul Martin give stiring speeches and Ontario sops it up and now what kind of police state do we have?? Yuk! Bill (;-( ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:54:40 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Armes for Their Defense - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Hudson" > Armes for Their Defense Excellent submission! But I believe as you do ? that the NDP government will put pressure on the judge to oppose this submission. Unfortunatley thats the way I see it .Hopefully I am totally wrong (by the Grace of GOD) ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:55:04 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Woman guilty in store heist; Gets 18-month conditional term PUBLICATION: The Chronicle-Herald DATE: 2005.10.05 SECTION: Nova Scotia BYLINE: Ian Fairclough Valley Bureau WORD COUNT: 309 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Woman guilty in store heist; Gets 18-month conditional term - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ KENTVILLE - A Kings County woman who successfully appealed her conviction for robbing a New Minas convenience store has been handed an 18-month conditional sentence after changing her plea to guilty Tuesday. Jennifer Madeline Scott, 35, of New Minas was charged in January 2003 with robbery and wearing a mask while committing an offence after the Needs convenience store on Commercial Street was held up at knifepoint. She was convicted by a jury that November and sentenced to 18 months in jail. But the Nova Scotia Court of Appeal overturned that conviction a year later and ordered a new trial, accepting defence lawyer Brian Vardigan's arguments that the trial judge should not have allowed the jury to hear a videotaped statement from a Crown witness who refused to testify at trial and was therefore not available for cross-examination. Ms. Scott was scheduled for another Supreme Court trial Oct. 31, but changed her plea Tuesday in Kentville provincial court. Crown attorney Shane Parker said it was largely because of Ms. Scott's acknowledgment of guilt that he recommended the conditional sentence. He also cited her continued adherence to strict release conditions she has been under since her arrest, after her conviction and during the time her case was under appeal. Ms. Scott made off with less than $100 in the robbery. Police stopped her and another person at a local gas station in a vehicle that matched the description of one seen speeding away from an apartment to which officers had followed footprints from the robbery scene. She consented to a search of her apartment, and police found the clothes and mask she wore in the robbery. Mr. Vardigans told court the robbery was "low-end" and didn't involve violence. Judge Claudine MacDonald accepted the joint conditional sentence recommendation. Ms. Scott was also ordered to provide a DNA sample and was banned for life from owning firearms. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:55:19 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Hobbema man faces attempted murder charge PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal DATE: 2005.10.05 EDITION: Final SECTION: CityPlus PAGE: B6 SOURCE: The Edmonton Journal DATELINE: EDMONTON WORD COUNT: 89 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hobbema man faces attempted murder charge - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ EDMONTON - A gun-toting man has been charged with attempted murder and 10 other offences following a violent home invasion on the Enoch Cree Nation. RCMP officers arrested a man after a high-speed chase Monday. William Russell Mackinaw, 27, of Hobbema is alleged to have taken part in the home invasion, in which a number of shots were fired. Mackinaw is also charged with two counts of uttering threats, assault, dangerous driving, failing to stop, break and entry, pointing a firearm, careless use of a firearm and two other weapons offences. He is scheduled to make his first appearance this morning in Stony Plain provincial court. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:55:38 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Do you agree with hunting? MINDEN TIMES ON-LINE POLL Do you agree with hunting? Yes, it's our right and our heritage. 420 -VOTES 80.2% Yes, it feeds my family. 81 -VOTES 15.5% No, it's barbaric and unnecessary. 8 -VOTES 1.5% No, it's just an excuse for a party. 6 -VOTES 1.1% Don't care... each to his or her own. 9 -VOTES 1.7% TOTAL VOTES: 524 Please go to poll on Minden Times website and vote. http://www.mindentimes.ca/webapp/sitepages/ Now is the time for you to stand up for our rights! - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks JIm Lawrence Check our web site: www.coha.net If you wish not to receive any more email click the below link. http://www.coha.net/mailer/r.asp?a=uc&e=roncollins@rogers.com Powered by MailerFree - http://www.tassietek.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:55:56 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Man charged after teen accidentally kills himself PUBLICATION: The Leader-Post (Regina) DATE: 2005.10.05 EDITION: Final SECTION: City & Province PAGE: A4 SOURCE: The Leader-Post WORD COUNT: 138 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Man charged after teen accidentally kills himself - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Police investigating the shooting death of a Regina teen last month have concluded the boy shot himself accidentally with a makeshift firearm. Joshua Terry MacPhee, 16, received the fatal gunshot wound on Sept. 10 when a round of ammunition was fired from a modified device that had originally been used to shoot signalling flares. Thirty-year-old Jeremy Denis Johnson is facing charges for allegedly supplying the modified weapon to the victim, and is slated to appear in Provincial Court Oct. 25 to face charges of weapons trafficking and a breach of recognizance. Police and EMS crews found MacPhee critically injured in a house in the 700 block of Rae Street shortly before midnight Sept. 10 after receiving reports about an injured male. The teen died in hospital two days later. There were two other people in the house at the time of the shooting, a police spokesperson said Tuesday. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:56:11 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Letter: Feds' handgun ban is comprehensive PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal DATE: 2005.10.05 EDITION: Final SECTION: Opinion PAGE: A14 BYLINE: Ted Simmermon SOURCE: The Edmonton Journal WORD COUNT: 119 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Feds' handgun ban is comprehensive - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: "Danger lurks on city streets: Concealed handguns provide some comfort," by Michael Cust (Letters, Sept. 29). The "concealed carry" by trained, responsible legal citizens will never occur in Canada. The federal Liberal government, by an order-in-council (prohibition order number 11), has banned, on paper, 57 per cent of the handguns in Canada. These are handguns of .25 calibre, .32 calibre, and those with 104 mm (four-inch) barrels or less. These handguns are the type that would be carried for self-protection. Also on this list are the Luger PO8 pistols brought home by returning Canadian soldiers and the Webley and Scott Mark 4 and 5 revolvers issued to the Canadian troops in 1914 through 1918! Democracy cannot endure where the people (us) are not trusted and where government (the Liberals in Ottawa) denies certain liberties on the grounds some (citizens) will abuse them. Ted Simmermon, Edmonton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:56:28 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: JUDGE SLAMS SHOOTING WITNESS PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2005.10.05 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 9 BYLINE: SAM PAZZANO, COURT BUREAU WORD COUNT: 106 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ JUDGE SLAMS SHOOTING WITNESS - THEN CALLS MISTRIAL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A Superior Court judge called a witness "brain-dead" and then declared a mistrial in a Scarborough shooting trial yesterday. "This girl is brain-dead," a frustrated Justice John Hamilton said to the jury when the 18-year-old woman had difficulty answering questions about the March 29, 2004 incident outside a Markham Rd.-Lawrence Ave. mall. The witness -- whose first language isn't English --was speaking through an Urdu interpreter. She became emotional, started crying and raced from the courtroom, saying, "I'm not coming back." Hamilton called the witness back into the University Ave. courtroom and apologized before declaring a mistrial to the week-long trial. Brothers Jamal Graham and Julian Graham had pleaded not guilty to attempted murder and other related gun charges. A new trial date will be set Tuesday. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:56:41 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Liberals set Commons calendar to avoid election http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051005/liberals_calen dar_051005/20051005?hub=Canada Liberals set Commons calendar to avoid election Canadian Press OTTAWA - The Liberal government has stacked the parliamentary calendar to make it almost impossible for the Opposition to trigger an election before the winter holidays. Tuesday's move to delay opposition days until Nov. 14 will likely spare the Liberals their nightmare scenario of campaigning in the shadow of Justice John Gomery's most damning report on the sponsorship scandal. Gomery is scheduled to release the first and most sensational of his two reports on Nov. 1. That report will focus on the facts surrounding the program, which saw of millions of taxpayer dollars flowing to Liberal-friendly ad firms under the guise of fighting Quebec separatism. Opposition members had been musing about toppling the minority government just before Gomery's chronicle of corruption. "We have no desire for a fall election," said Liberal House Leader Tony Valeri. "I will look to manage this schedule in a way that meets two commitments. "The first and the most important one is we're not doing anything to defeat ourselves. Secondly, we would ensure that we adhere to and fulfil the prime minister's commitment in calling the election 30 days after (Gomery's) . . . final report." Valeri also informed his colleagues that they will have seven opposition days. The manoeuvre came Tuesday as the government faced other controversies, including questions about a severance package it has promised David Dingwall - the former head of the Royal Canadian Mint who resigned last week amid controversy. Prime Minister Paul Martin has promised to call an election within 30 days of Gomery's final report. But instead of titillating details on the scandal, Gomery's second report will focus on more bureaucratic recommendations to avoid a repeat of the fiasco. That volume won't be released until Feb. 1, which means that if the Liberals get their way, the more sensational report will be up to five months old and a non-issue by election day. "It's obviously not going to be a fall election," said Tory House Leader Jay Hill. "It's a question of whether it would be a winter election, I guess." The opposition will have an opportunity to topple the government this fall - but it's far less attractive. Government sources said a wide-ranging energy bill to be introduced Friday will include $2 billion in spending items and be deemed a matter of confidence. But it's unlikely the Opposition will want to defeat the bill because of the popular measures sources say it will contain: rebates for homeowners, amendments to the Competition Act to set penalties for price-gouging by oil companies, and a new mechanism to monitor gas prices. The Bloc Quebecois appeared to have thrown in the towel. "(The Liberals) know the Bloc has been asking for these things for three years," said Bloc House Leader Michel Gauthier. "Do you really think the Bloc would vote against that legislation? We don't want an election at any price." Energy prices were one of two sleeper election issues the Liberals were most worried about this fall; their energy bill seems designed to protect them against outrage over fuel prices. The other Liberal fear is scandal. The government was smacked with screaming newspaper headlines Tuesday morning about waste and cronyism - and things hardly improved as the day wore on. There were front-page stories in two French-language newspapers accusing Liberal ministers of abusing government jets as their own personal flying limousines. Then the minister of immigration was asked in the House of Commons about the $138 he spent last summer on a pizza meal for two. But the most damaging issue to hit the government this fall has been the case of David Dingwall, the former Liberal cabinet minister who resigned as head of the Royal Canadian Mint. The government has struggled for days to explain why Dingwall - who earned $277,000 and was hit with scandal over his spending and lobbying habits - will be getting a severance package after quitting. The government cited fears of being sued by Dingwall as justification for the severance. It cited common law. It pointed to several pieces of legislation but didn't cite a single relevant clause in those laws. The Conservatives continued to hammer at the deal with Dingwall. "It's a shell game. It's an insult to the intelligence of Canadians," said Tory MP Brian Pallister. "What Dingwall has taught us . . . is there is not a rules-based system in mind with the Liberal government. "There is a two-tier set of rules. One set of rules applies to Liberal patronage appointees, and the other set applies to everyone else. 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