From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #470 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, October 6 2005 Volume 08 : Number 470 In this issue: Re: Armes for Their Defense MPs, PS workers get break on gas prices A FEW FACTS FROM HOMICIDE 2004 REPORT Alta. to release criminal history of James Roszko Re: Alta. to release criminal history of James Roszko LIBERALS VOTE AGAINST A VERY IMPORTANT HUMAN RIGHT Letter: Complaints against hunt lacking in understanding McLELLAN: "Right, again $2 billion. That is just an out and out Florida's Firearms Laws ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:46:05 -0600 (CST) From: vampire@istar.ca Subject: Re: Armes for Their Defense On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:44:35 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>------------------------------ |> |>Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:19:33 -0600 (CST) |>From: Edward Hudson |>Subject: Re: Armes for Their Defense |> |>On 2005 Oct 05, at 7:54 AM, mred wrote: |>> |>>> Armes for Their Defense |>> |>> But I believe as you do (?) that the NDP government |>> will put pressure on the judge to oppose this submission. |> |>I am not quite yet that cynical. |> |>My problem with our Saskatchewan provincial NDP provincial government |>is that, like The Honorable Ralph Klein in Alberta, |>they talk big, but do NOT deliver. |> |>Saskatchewan has pledged that they "will not enforce" the Firearms Act, |>but our province allows the our local police and the RCMP to confiscate |>unregistered firearms when investigating "break and enters," thus |>penalizing the victims of crime. |> |>Since the provincial government makes the contact with the RCMP, and |>pays (at least some of) their salary, yet refuses to give any direction |>to the policy of enforcement of the Firearms Act, our government is |>lying to us. |> |>Sincerely, |> |>Eduardo |> |>------------------------------ Well I would say the Guv't is in the metamorphic stages of some Idi Amin scenario..."My Queens, I need more money to Kill the peoples for your Oil and diamonds"<-quote Idi Amin. "Our province allows the our local police and the RCMP to confiscate "Registered and Unregistered guns at a whim, with the revised bogus and defunct "Patriot Act". So with all Guv't provocations, I am wondering what kind of riches the NWO/Royalties really want from us except for the flow of firearms that U.S. Undersecretary John R. Bolton and Gaston Glock gmbh is not allowing our Police to purchase at a quantity discount. Maybe they hate to be a party to all the additional projected Nazi war crimes that would be forthcoming in the hands of little Dictators. Cheers Triad Productions-Fantalla(c)~EZine~ParaNovel National Association of Assault Research http://ammo.at/lacasse http://bob.reachme.at ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:58:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: MPs, PS workers get break on gas prices http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=65fad7df-49e3 - -4691-8dbb-a231a03f01e9 MPs, PS workers get break on gas prices Fuel allowances go up 10% due to soaring costs, but government won't cut taxes for public Tim Naumetz The Ottawa Citizen Thursday, October 06, 2005 MPs and public servants have been quietly awarded a 10-per-cent increase in their car travel allowances in response to soaring gas prices as the government refuses to cut federal fuel taxes to help the driving public. The travel allowance increase, to 50.6 cents per kilometre from 46 cents for MPs, with a similar range for public servants, would result in a travel allowance of $400 for a return trip by car from Ottawa to Toronto, excluding costs for meals and lodging. The increase came to light in a memo Commons Speaker Peter Milliken circulated to MPs yesterday, alerting them to the fact their travel allowances would rise to match Treasury Board rates for bureaucrats that the government increased last Saturday. Mr. Milliken's memo didn't mention rising gas prices, but a Treasury Board notice to public servants said their allowances were being increased "in response to recent fuel price increases, as an interim measure." By coincidence, the head of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation arrived on Parliament Hill yesterday to present 35,000 petitions to the Conservative party to table in the Commons urging the government to reduce federal excise and sales taxes by five cents a litre. Federal levies and the GST total more than 17 cents a litre. Federation national director John Williamson was furious to learn the government increased allowances for public servants in response to rising prices, but has refused to help out consumers and drivers who earn their livelihoods behind the wheel. "I think there are two sets of rules in Ottawa, one for federal employees and another for taxpayers at large," said Mr. Williamson. The anti-tax lobbyist and the opposition parties said home heating fuel rebates the government is planning for targeted families, including seniors and low-income Canadians with children, is not enough. Finance Minister Ralph Goodale is set to unveil the $2.4-billion energy assistance scheme in the Commons today, but NDP leader Jack Layton and other MPs said the relief net should be wider. "Take a working couple earning $40,000 a year -- they are not going to be able to get any help," said Mr. Layton. "Someone working at Tim Hortons is out of luck in terms of getting help," he said, comparing the plight of average Canadians to a reported $500,000 severance package the government may be arranging for David Dingwall, a longtime Liberal who resigned as president of the Royal Canadian Mint over lavish expense accounts. Conservative leader Stephen Harper also cited Mr. Dingwall's severance package, saying the government has offered nothing for consumers and households struggling with high fuel costs. "Despite the so-called big announcement on rebate cheques, farmers, taxi drivers, truckers and the vast majority of consumers will not get a single cent from the government," Mr. Harper told the Commons. Mr. Williamson said the government should scrap a 1.5-cent-per-litre deficit-elimination tax that Prime Minister Paul Martin introduced as finance minister in 1995, but which continues even though the federal budget has been balanced since 1998. The federation also wants the government to stop applying the seven-per-cent federal GST to federal and provincial excise taxes and levies on gasoline, which Mr. Williamson said has cost taxpayers a further $4.8 billion. Calgary Conservative MP Jason Kenney said MPs, as well as public servants, should not get a travel allowance increase to counter rising gas prices until the general public receives help. "I think it should be put on hold until all Canadians get some real gas tax relief," said Mr. Kenney, who said he does not own a car. The government energy relief package is expected to help up to three million Canadians, government officials told reporters earlier. Payments were expected to be $250 for families with children and for senior couples, while single seniors would receive $125. © The Ottawa Citizen 2005 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:15:43 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: A FEW FACTS FROM HOMICIDE 2004 REPORT TODAY STATISTICS CANADA RELEASED THEIR HOMICIDE IN CANADA REPORT FOR 2004 PAGE 2: "Canadian police services reported a total of 622 homicides in 2004 (73 more than the previous year. The national homicide rate of 1.95 victims per 100,000 population jumped 12%, after reaching its lowest point in more than 30 years in 2003. PAGE 13 - "In 2004, more than two-thirds (68%) of adults (18 years or older) accused of homicide had a Canadian criminal record. among those adults with a criminal history, 70% had a prior conviction for a violent offence: 8 for homicide." PAGE 13: "While Aboriginal people account for approximately 3% of the Canadian population, the comprised 17% of victims and 22% of persons accused of committing homicide in 2004." PAGE 10: "In 2004, almost all categories of family homicide increased from 2003." PAGE 14: "Half (49%) homicide incidents in 2004 in which data was available occurred during the commission of another offence that led to the homicide. Of these 232 incidents, the majority (180) were committed as a result of a violent offence: 106 during an assault, 45 during a robbery, 8 during a sexual assault, 5 as a result of stalking, 3 during a kidnapping and 13 other violent offences. Six other homicide incidents occurred as a result of arson." PAGE 14: "Among cases where it was known whether alcohol or drugs were a factor, police reported that the majority of accused (73%) and victims (55%) had consumed an intoxicant at the time of the homicide." PAGE 14: "Police suspected the presence of a mental or developmental disorder among 14% of the accused persons in 2004, similar to the percentage reported each year since 1997." PAGE 14: "Data from the Homicide Survey have shown that homicides are often associated with the victim's involvement in illegal activities, such as gang activities, drug dealing or trafficking and prostitution. in 2004, police reported a total of 18 prostitutes killed. There were another 100 homicides committed against persons working in other types of illegal "occupations" such as drug dealers, members of an organized crime group or gang, 21 more than in 2003." PAGE 7: "Among solved homicides in 2004, 85% of victims knew their killer. Half (50%) were killed by an acquaintance, another one-third (35%) were killed by a family member and 15% of victims were killed by strangers." PAGE 4: "In 2004, the most common method used was stabbings, accounting for one-third (33%) of all homicides. The number of stabbings rose in 2004 to 205, a 44% increase from 2003 and the highest number in more than a decade. Little more than one-quarter (28%) of homicides were committed with a firearm, similar in the proportion seen over the past ten years. Another 22% were beaten to death, 10% were strangled or suffocated and 2% were killed with fire. Poisoning, deaths caused by shaking and deaths caused my motor vehicles each accounted for 1% of all homicides. PAGE 6: "In 2004, handguns accounted for almost two-thirds (65%) of all firearm related homicides whereas rifles and shotguns accounted for about one in five (22%). Another 9% of homicides were committed with a sawed-off rifle/shotgun, 1% with a fully automatic firearm and the remaining 4% with another type of firearm." PAGE 6: "Between 1997 and 2004 in Canada, among those homicides where detailed firearm information was known, 84% were not registered and four out of every five (79%) of accused persons did not possess a valid firearms licence." - ----------------------------------------------------- STATISTICS CANADA - THE DAILY Thursday, October 6, 2005 HOMICIDES 2004 http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/051006/d051006b.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:52:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Alta. to release criminal history of James Roszko http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051006/roszko_crimina lhistory_051006/20051006?hub=Canada Alta. to release criminal history of James Roszko CTV.ca News Staff Alberta's Justice Minister is expected to release a report as early as Thursday that will detail the criminal history of James Roszko, who gunned down four RCMP officers on a farm near Mayerthorpe, Alta. According to the Edmonton Journal, government sources have said Roszko never met the criteria to be labelled a dangerous offender, despite his lengthy criminal record. Since the March massacre, the Mounties' largest loss of life in 120 years, questions have persisted about why Roszko spent so little time in jail despite a criminal record that dates back to 1976 and includes 36 charges. Despite the fact that he faced a slew of charges in his lifetime, Roszko was convicted of 12 and he spent little time in jail. Between 1992 and 1999, Roszko was charged with a series of offences, including impersonating a police officer, pointing a firearm, aggravated assault and counselling to commit murder. But he was acquitted on all charges. In 2000, he served a 2½-year sentence for sexually assaulting a male. With the dangerous offender designation, the courts would have been allowed to impose substantial sentences on Roszko. The 46-year-old gunned down Const. Peter Schiemann, 25, Const. Brock Myrol, 29, Const. Leo Johnston, 32, and Const. Anthony Gordon, 28 on March 3 of this year. The officers were on Roszko's farm as part of an investigation into stolen truck parts and marijuana plants found in his Quonset hut. Roszko fatally shot himself after killing the officers. The families of the slain Mounties have already received a copy of the report on Roszko's criminal history but have declined to comment until it is officially released. They will meet with Prime Minister Paul Martin, Justice Minister Irwin Cotler and Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan in Ottawa on Oct. 25. The father of Const. Schiemann says when they travel to the capital, they will be taking with them the same message they've been trumpeting in recent weeks. "A message there needs to be some changes in our justice system and a message that we need an effective national drug strategy," Rev. Don Schiemann told CTV's Canada AM earlier this week. Without a significant overhaul of the existing laws, Schiemann said he believes "conditions are ripe for this to happen again." "Maybe next time, it will be two or six or one, but even one is too many to be killed," he said. "Our concern is if our police officers aren't safe doing their duty, how safe are we?" Among their demands are mandatory minimum sentences, reduced parole and the elimination of statutory release provisions that sees many inmates released after serving two-thirds of their sentence. Meanwhile, the RCMP is continuing both its criminal investigation into the Mayerthorpe shootings, as well as a separate examination of how the Mounties handled the case. Once the RCMP has concluded its investigations, the Alberta government has said it will launch a fatality inquiry into the four Mounties' deaths. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:58:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Re: Alta. to release criminal history of James Roszko - ----- Original Message ----- > With the dangerous offender designation, the courts would have been > allowed to impose substantial sentences on Roszko. They just don't get it, do they? All of the charges that Roszko faced already carried "substantial sentences" - the courts just refuse to apply them! > The officers were on Roszko's farm as part of an investigation into > stolen truck parts and marijuana plants found in his Quonset hut. > Roszko fatally shot himself after killing the officers. You notice that now that it's come out that the firearm in question *wasn't* a "high-powered evil automatic killing machine", they don't even mention it anymore? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:04:22 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: LIBERALS VOTE AGAINST A VERY IMPORTANT HUMAN RIGHT NEWS RELEASE - October 6 , 2005 LIBERALS VOTE AGAINST A VERY IMPORTANT HUMAN RIGHT "Constitutional protection would stop all governments from running roughshod over property rights - especially the Liberals." http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/2005_oct_6.htm COMMUNIQUÉ DE PRESSE - Le 6 octobre 2005 LES LIBÉRAUX VOTENT CONTRE UN DROIT HUMAIN TRÈS IMPORTANT « La protection constitutionnelle empêcherait tous les gouvernements - et en particulier les libéraux - de piétiner les droits de propriété » http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/breitkreuzgpresse/2005_oct_ 6.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:40:38 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Letter: Complaints against hunt lacking in understanding PUBLICATION: The Windsor Star DATE: 2005.10.06 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial/Opinion PAGE: A9 BYLINE: Josh Ducharme SOURCE: Windsor Star WORD COUNT: 228 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Complaints against hunt lacking in understanding - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am writing in response to Linda Tomaselli's letter, Geese Hunting Is Against Her Nature. She implies that the 200 metres from shore shooting regulation is insufficient as stray bullets or pellets both kill. Anyone with the knowledge that every hunter has through their hunters' education and PAL courses would know that you not only don't use bullets to hunt geese, but that the effective kill range on a goose with steel shot is 50-60 metres at most. In fact, most consider it unethical as well as a waste of ammunition to attempt such a long shot. This leaves about 140 metres for you to frolic in the shallows. It is also considered unethical to shoot at a goose who is sitting in the water. Therefore, your dog, which apparently has more rights to use our lake than I do, can swim all he wants and can do it safely. Now that I have allayed your safety concerns, allow me to discuss why these regulations have been regularly reviewed and upheld based on scientific evidence, not on somebody saying they don't like to witness birds falling out of the sky. In Ontario, we currently have record numbers of both resident and migratory geese which inhabit and use our land and waterways to travel. This is due to many factors, one of which is the destruction of predator habitat, especially along buffer zones like our lakefront. The hunt is not only a tradition and a source of recreation for many, it helps to control crop and property damage caused by the overpopulation of geese. JOSH DUCHARME Belle River ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:40:53 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: McLELLAN: "Right, again $2 billion. That is just an out and out lie." Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca House of Commons Debates Thursday, October 6, 2005 ORAL QUESTION PERIOD Unedited copy - not official until printed in Hansard * * * [English] Mr. Vic Toews (Provencher, CPC): Mr. Speaker, handgun related homicides are skyrocketing in Toronto this year. Nationally, Statistics Canada says homicides in Canada increased 12% in 2004 with 622 people murdered, 73 more than in 2003.Despite this huge increase in murders, why does the Liberal government continue to mislead Canadians by denying that violent crime in Canada is rising? Hon. Paul Harold Macklin (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, as the minister has stated, there is no greater responsibility on this government, and in any government, than to protect its citizens. In this particular case we have in our particular criminal code many minimum mandatory sentences relating to those violent crimes that are completed with a firearm. In fact, I think the hon. member, and all members of the House, ought to hear about these mandatory minimum sentences that deal with violent crime. First, if a firearm is used in the commission of a criminal negligence case causing death under section 220-- ¸ (1450) The Speaker: The hon. member for Oshawa. * * * Mr. Colin Carrie (Oshawa, CPC): Mr. Speaker, tragically yesterday a 15 year old girl became the latest victim of gun violence when she was severely wounded near her home in Oshawa. This is the latest in an ongoing string of shootings that prove the government has failed Canadians by failing to get tough on crime. Instead of throwing away $2 billion on a useless gun registry that does nothing to stop gun violence, why has the government not put those resources into front line policing to help avoid tragedies like this? Hon. Anne McLellan (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I have to say these members--I wish they would get their facts straight. Right, again $2 billion. That is just an out and out lie. Some hon. members: Oh, oh! The Speaker: Honestly. The Deputy Prime Minister knows that the use of that term is quite unparliamentary. I want her to withdraw it right away and make a correction in her answer. Hon. Anne McLellan: Mr. Speaker, I withdraw that comment. In relation to the gun control program, in fact it is interesting that the gun program continues to garner the support of front line law enforcement officers and the chiefs of police. Let me, Mr. Speaker, read that which the former president of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, Edgar MacLeod, stated, "There is no question that the system works and that it-- The Speaker: The hon. member for Regina-Lumsden-Lake Centre. * * * WHAT THE LIBERALS CAN'T OR WON'T TELL YOU ABOUT THEIR $2 BILLION FIREARMS PROGRAM By Garry Breitkreuz, MP, Conservative Firearms Critic - August 8, 2005 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/issues/guncontrol.htm CE QUE LES LIBÉRAUX NE PEUVENT OU NE VEULENT PAS VOUS DIRE AU SUJET DU PROGRAMME DE CONTRÔLE DES ARMES À FEU QUI A COÛTÉ DEUX MILLIARDS DE DOLLARS Garry Breitkreuz, député, porte-parole du Parti conservateur en matière d'armes à feu - 8 août 2005 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/news/gbpresse2005.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:41:23 -0600 (CST) From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Florida's Firearms Laws To: globalnational@canada.com Dear Editor, I am curious as to why you call Florida's firearms laws "controversial" in your recent poll. Unlike Canada's laws, Florida's are based on firm scientific evidence. Every country in the world that has enacted Canadian style gun laws has seen huge increases in murder and mayhem whereas every State in America that has passed concealed carry laws has seen at least 24% drops in confrontational crime as a direct result of encouraging citizens to train and equip to exercise that single most basic of human rights: The right to personal self defense. Unlike Canada, Floridians enacted their law through a truly democratic process. Their Governor didn't reduce his caucus members to tears as he bullied his way through. Their law doesn't trample on such basic human rights as the presumption of innocence, freedom from unwarranted search and seizure, security of the person, liberty, privacy, procedural fairness, freedom from arbitrary detention and several others ( see http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article78.htm ). Unlike erstwhile Justice Minister Allan Rock, Florida's Justice Minister didn't state, "I came to Tallahassee (the state capitol) in the firm belief that only the military and the police should own firearms". He didn't force the State Troopers to falsely elevate gun crime statistics by calling every scene where a gun was even incidentally present (for example securely locked in a closet) a gun crime even though in 90% of these cases the gun had absolutely nothing to do with the crime. He didn't lie to the legislature by stating that the total (not annual) cost of his scheme would be $85 million and should it ever surpass $150 million it would be scrapped. In Florida the gun laws are actually targeted at the criminal and negligent abusers of firearms while leaving the vast majority of gun owners in peace to engage in their harmless pastimes. The government of Florida sees dedicated practice and study of the shooting sports on the part of the lawful member of society as a sign of diligence and good citizenship, rather than as a "questionable practice that should be curtailed". We Canadian lawful firearms owners do not want gun anarchy. We want a coherent system of gun laws that are constitutional, effective, appropriately targeted, enforced, and cost-effective. These laws must severely deter and punish the violent criminal and negligent abuses of firearms while promoting the widespread dissemination of firearms safety and knowledge. We remain willing to work tirelessly with any government or agency to achieve this goal. As a final thought, think about how you felt the last time you traveled through Vermont. This state has the most liberal firearms laws in the world. Between 2 and 10 percent of the adults you meet are packing. Did you feel threatened? Vermont enjoys the lowest violent crime rate in the USA and one of the lowest in the world. Contrary to anti-gun fear mongering, there are no shootouts in the streets over parking spaces. Perhaps the adage, "An armed society is a polite society", has merit. Thank you. For further reading may I suggest http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/Politics.html - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association President, Guysborough County Horse and Pony Association Member All For Horses Association, Nova Scotia Equestrian Federation Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. 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